Yes, I am going to keep Hurling Abuse at the Breton Costume.

Mashille · July 2016

@UltimaJoe777

It may strain the servers. But only because ZOS doesn't know how to make it not Strain the servers. I will reference GW 2 again which has Physics on many items and clothing and GW 2 does not have much lag, if any in large scale PvP.

If an MMO that came out 2 Years Prior to ESO can do it, I see no excuse for ESO not being able to do it.

MornaBaine · July 2016

Well I now know of one person who claims they actually got a refund on the costume and another who has put in a ticket asking for a refund. I kinda feel like everyone who is unhappy with it should at least ask for a refund and then post what happens here. You know...if that's allowed. >.>

NewBlacksmurf · July 2016

Cazzy wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Got a refund. This is rediculous

Tried to buy something hing nice but the preview doesn't let me move the camera or my char.

Had I know the cape was legs I'd never considered it.

You actually got a refund? Nice one!

I had two tickets....first was a can u have the devs fix this.....they said they'll share it.

Next ticket was. O K let's do a refund as its not acknowledged to be fixed soon.
Got canned reply
Then replied asking for a refund and why
Got refund hours later.

I hope that's everyone's experience at the least.

starkerealm · July 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

Well I now know of one person who claims they actually got a refund on the costume and another who has put in a ticket asking for a refund. I kinda feel like everyone who is unhappy with it should at least ask for a refund and then post what happens here. You know...if that's allowed. >.>

Yeah, if you actually feel burned by this, absolutely ask CS. The worst they can do is say, "no."

Franieck · July 2016

I would really like to know whether they plan on fixing this horrible costume. I'm fine with waiting until it is fixed, but if they leave it as it is, I'll definitely want a refund

Blackbird71 · July 2016

kentgreigrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I bought it without checking what it looked like. I equipped it and am quite disappointed in it. I would refund it if I could.

I realize this response may be a bit late, but for anyone interested in a refund, know that others have managed to obtain one (with some persistence it seems):

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/280649/crowns-refund-request-for-breton-hero-costume

nimander99 · July 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

I agree completely...any serious company would actually care about ALL of their customers, however:

Seriously, no company will care about all their customers. Some customers will never be satisfied; some are just barking mad.

Rich was posting in a thread about personal experiences with the game, and @N0TPLAYER2 was trying to derail the thread, because of his (or her) personal agenda.

Personally, It just confirms my suspicion that /lurk and I'd be the best of buds

He pwnd that sucka straight up old school no political correctness taken into account, just the way I like it. The world would be a better place if people just said what they meant...

we do,and as you see by his response,he doesn't like it.

Well, what I meant was, if the world all thought just like me and regurgitated my thoughts thereby validating my correct view of the world

Edit: And I really was excited for the costume... Bought it... It sticks to my legs... It sticks to my legs.

Blackbird71 · July 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Honestly, the fact that when mods lock other threads regarding this that they link those threads to this one is acknowledgement in my book.

No its not. Its damage control. You herd all complainers into one thread and its just a thread instead of a massive oucry overwhelming the forums. Then it eventually dies down and falls off the front page and the issue is gone.

And how would they know to herd them if they did not have a thread they know about to herd them into? Trust me, it's acknowledged.

Moderators arent devs. Mods saw the issue and contained it to be, most likely, ignored by the devs. Yeah, sure, maybe if barely anyone bought the costume theyll do something about the next ones that get made. That does not mean higher quality tho - most likely theyll just avoid the coat/cloak style in the future altogether.

They do work for the devs though, which means they are able to contact them. Also mods may very well report their actions to their "higher ups". Besides, this thread is 12 pages long and growing, how could the lurking devs NOT notice and acknowledge it lol

There is a huge difference between being aware of something and acknowledging it. Knowing this thread exists, or that these complaints exist, is being aware of the issue. Making a public statement that admits there are problems with the costume, and that these complaints are valid, that would be acknowledging the issue.

The silence from ZOS indicates that they are either currently unaware of the issue (doubtful), or that they are ignoring it. To date, there has been absolutely no acknowledgment.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Snowstrider wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

Does no one else remember zos said there will never be capes due to lag. That statement explains everything.

That is just a stupid excuse because ZoS is too proud to admit they are doing something bad

It would strain the servers is what they actually said, and you can call them out on that all you want but personally I'd rather them not take a chance and make the game TRULY unplayable.

I'd like to see a technical explanation as to how this would strain the servers, because frankly I don't buy it. If the assets are kept client-side, and the rendering is done client side, then there should be practically no impact to the servers. Unless for some reason ZOS is trying to add collision detection to the loose bits of cloth, which would be ridiculous.

Blackbird71 · July 2016

Palidon wrote: »

Mashille wrote: »

@khele23eb17_ESO

Nah. I am not having this issue die down. I am gonna keep smashing my head against ZOS' front door till something happens. (Probably brain dis-function from hitting my head so much)

I agree with you 100% but, ZOS knows full well that eventually this thread will get buried like so many others in the past voicing players concerns and discontent. All they have to do is sit back and wait. They could care less about the concerns of players there actions show that time and time again. However, they also know that the majority of players will stick around anyways.

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Sorry to nitpick, but you've used this same phrase at least four or five times already in this thread alone.

I'll let Mr. Yankovic explain:

"Weird Al" Yankovic - Word Crimes: "I could care less"

Mashille · July 2016

@Blackbird71

Americans copied the British phrase incorrectly is all. Most Americans say it that way.

Ghost-Shot · July 2016

Blackbird71 wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Honestly, the fact that when mods lock other threads regarding this that they link those threads to this one is acknowledgement in my book.

No its not. Its damage control. You herd all complainers into one thread and its just a thread instead of a massive oucry overwhelming the forums. Then it eventually dies down and falls off the front page and the issue is gone.

And how would they know to herd them if they did not have a thread they know about to herd them into? Trust me, it's acknowledged.

Moderators arent devs. Mods saw the issue and contained it to be, most likely, ignored by the devs. Yeah, sure, maybe if barely anyone bought the costume theyll do something about the next ones that get made. That does not mean higher quality tho - most likely theyll just avoid the coat/cloak style in the future altogether.

They do work for the devs though, which means they are able to contact them. Also mods may very well report their actions to their "higher ups". Besides, this thread is 12 pages long and growing, how could the lurking devs NOT notice and acknowledge it lol

There is a huge difference between being aware of something and acknowledging it. Knowing this thread exists, or that these complaints exist, is being aware of the issue. Making a public statement that admits there are problems with the costume, and that these complaints are valid, that would be acknowledging the issue.

The silence from ZOS indicates that they are either currently unaware of the issue (doubtful), or that they are ignoring it. To date, there has been absolutely no acknowledgment.

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Snowstrider wrote: »

Inarre wrote: »

Does no one else remember zos said there will never be capes due to lag. That statement explains everything.

That is just a stupid excuse because ZoS is too proud to admit they are doing something bad

It would strain the servers is what they actually said, and you can call them out on that all you want but personally I'd rather them not take a chance and make the game TRULY unplayable.

I'd like to see a technical explanation as to how this would strain the servers, because frankly I don't buy it. If the assets are kept client-side, and the rendering is done client side, then there should be practically no impact to the servers. Unless for some reason ZOS is trying to add collision detection to the loose bits of cloth, which would be ridiculous.

If their infrastructure is really that *** that they can't support basic physics then give the cloak an animation, its not that difficult.

starkerealm · July 2016

Blackbird71 wrote: »

Palidon wrote: »

Mashille wrote: »

@khele23eb17_ESO

Nah. I am not having this issue die down. I am gonna keep smashing my head against ZOS' front door till something happens. (Probably brain dis-function from hitting my head so much)

I agree with you 100% but, ZOS knows full well that eventually this thread will get buried like so many others in the past voicing players concerns and discontent. All they have to do is sit back and wait. They could care less about the concerns of players there actions show that time and time again. However, they also know that the majority of players will stick around anyways.

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Sorry to nitpick, but you've used this same phrase at least four or five times already in this thread alone.

I'll let Mr. Yankovic explain:

"Weird Al" Yankovic - Word Crimes: "I could care less"

I could care less. Quite a bit less, in fact.

Moloch1514 · July 2016

Franieck wrote: »

I would really like to know whether they plan on fixing this horrible costume. I'm fine with waiting until it is fixed, but if they leave it as it is, I'll definitely want a refund

Same here. I just want a response so I can know if there are plans to polish the textures to what a costume costing more than a DLC should represent.

E-Zekiel · July 2016

Mashille wrote: »

@UltimaJoe777

It may strain the servers. But only because ZOS doesn't know how to make it not Strain the servers. I will reference GW 2 again which has Physics on many items and clothing and GW 2 does not have much lag, if any in large scale PvP.

If an MMO that came out 2 Years Prior to ESO can do it, I see no excuse for ESO not being able to do it.

GW2 does not have full on cloth physics.

Also, EQ2 has full cloth simulation in the engine on a number of items (most of them are older robes,funny enough) and they don't cause server side lag.

Why ZOS claims it would cause server side lag is beyond me, borderlining on asinine. It could potentially cause framerate issues, but that's something toggling would remedy.

Mashille · July 2016

@E-Zekiel

I know it does not have 'Full on Cloth physics' But it does have some cloth physics. Look at stuff like the Noble Count Dress for Females.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K93ojGEFrUo

Ethromelb14_ESO · July 2016

I agreed so much with the OP, I would like a refund of my crown points. I'll just buy something else more worthy of my money.

C0wrex · July 2016

Mashille wrote: »

@E-Zekiel

I know it does not have 'Full on Cloth physics' But it does have some cloth physics. Look at stuff like the Noble Count Dress for Females.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K93ojGEFrUo

Damn Guild Wars 2.... been ages since I played it. Gave me feels :O

Mojmir · July 2016

C0wrex wrote: »

Mashille wrote: »

@E-Zekiel

I know it does not have 'Full on Cloth physics' But it does have some cloth physics. Look at stuff like the Noble Count Dress for Females.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K93ojGEFrUo

Damn Guild Wars 2.... been ages since I played it. Gave me feels :O

zos take note

Mashille · July 2016

I only just realised this. Elloa didn't even make a showcase video for this costume.

ZOS, that alone should tell you that you f***** up.

MornaBaine · July 2016

Mashille wrote: »

@E-Zekiel

I know it does not have 'Full on Cloth physics' But it does have some cloth physics. Look at stuff like the Noble Count Dress for Females.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K93ojGEFrUo

Okay that may not be perfect but it's pretty darned cool! I'd kill to have skirts that FULL in this game, let alone have them move like that!

starkerealm · July 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

Mashille wrote: »

@E-Zekiel

I know it does not have 'Full on Cloth physics' But it does have some cloth physics. Look at stuff like the Noble Count Dress for Females.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K93ojGEFrUo

Okay that may not be perfect but it's pretty darned cool! I'd kill to have skirts that FULL in this game, let alone have them move like that!

The one that honestly kills me was the WoD MMO that got canceled a couple years ago. Partially because I was a huge oWoD fan back in the late 90s, and early 2000s, but also because of the cloth physics that got demoed after the game's cancellation was announced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr_KVNrxtRI

MornaBaine · July 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Mashille wrote: »

@E-Zekiel

I know it does not have 'Full on Cloth physics' But it does have some cloth physics. Look at stuff like the Noble Count Dress for Females.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K93ojGEFrUo

Okay that may not be perfect but it's pretty darned cool! I'd kill to have skirts that FULL in this game, let alone have them move like that!

The one that honestly kills me was the WoD MMO that got canceled a couple years ago. Partially because I was a huge oWoD fan back in the late 90s, and early 2000s, but also because of the cloth physics that got demoed after the game's cancellation was announced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr_KVNrxtRI

Sigh. I am still scarred by this. Nor will I ever forgive CCP or give them another dime....and I liked EVE. But back somewhat on topic... this game is so beautiful and with some great realism in some areas. Character skin is pretty amazing. But then those same amazing characters don't have eyelashes...though they are now willing to sell us eyelashes... for the girls at least. And the really bad hair. And the lack of realistic (even realistic-ish) clothing just baffles me. I kind of WANT to believe that it just couldn't have been done for some really overwhelming technical reason... but I have a hard time believing it.

starkerealm · July 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Mashille wrote: »

@E-Zekiel

I know it does not have 'Full on Cloth physics' But it does have some cloth physics. Look at stuff like the Noble Count Dress for Females.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K93ojGEFrUo

Okay that may not be perfect but it's pretty darned cool! I'd kill to have skirts that FULL in this game, let alone have them move like that!

The one that honestly kills me was the WoD MMO that got canceled a couple years ago. Partially because I was a huge oWoD fan back in the late 90s, and early 2000s, but also because of the cloth physics that got demoed after the game's cancellation was announced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr_KVNrxtRI

Sigh. I am still scarred by this. Nor will I ever forgive CCP or give them another dime....and I liked EVE. But back somewhat on topic... this game is so beautiful and with some great realism in some areas. Character skin is pretty amazing. But then those same amazing characters don't have eyelashes...though they are now willing to sell us eyelashes... for the girls at least. And the really bad hair. And the lack of realistic (even realistic-ish) clothing just baffles me. I kind of WANT to believe that it just couldn't have been done for some really overwhelming technical reason... but I have a hard time believing it.

I blame Cyrodiil.

I also can't forgive CCP for eating White Wolf and then killing off the tabletop RPGs and CCGs. But, that's another story.

hamburgerler76 · July 2016

yea if they remake and actually put out a good quality costume here i might buy it but im not buying this

maboleth · July 2016

Since Zeni didn't say anything here, I imagine they want this thread to die and we can just move on. Shame.

Shadowhide · July 2016

Then it's our quest as dissatisfied customers not to let that happen, keep it alive friends, may we have justice for the Breton Hero

Lysette · July 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Mashille wrote: »

@E-Zekiel

I know it does not have 'Full on Cloth physics' But it does have some cloth physics. Look at stuff like the Noble Count Dress for Females.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K93ojGEFrUo

Okay that may not be perfect but it's pretty darned cool! I'd kill to have skirts that FULL in this game, let alone have them move like that!

The one that honestly kills me was the WoD MMO that got canceled a couple years ago. Partially because I was a huge oWoD fan back in the late 90s, and early 2000s, but also because of the cloth physics that got demoed after the game's cancellation was announced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr_KVNrxtRI

Sigh. I am still scarred by this. Nor will I ever forgive CCP or give them another dime....and I liked EVE. But back somewhat on topic... this game is so beautiful and with some great realism in some areas. Character skin is pretty amazing. But then those same amazing characters don't have eyelashes...though they are now willing to sell us eyelashes... for the girls at least. And the really bad hair. And the lack of realistic (even realistic-ish) clothing just baffles me. I kind of WANT to believe that it just couldn't have been done for some really overwhelming technical reason... but I have a hard time believing it.

Well, CCP had to cancel it at that time - cost of production surpassed revenue and it was basically an emergency bail out of this project in order to get CCP back to normal. It was economically a necessary move.

khele23eb17_ESO · July 2016

maboleth wrote: »

Since Zeni didn't say anything here, I imagine they want this thread to die and we can just move on. Shame.

Even if it doesnt die... its not like were flooding the forums with complaints. Its all neatly contained in a single thread. Nothing to worry about for them

Lysette · July 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

maboleth wrote: »

Since Zeni didn't say anything here, I imagine they want this thread to die and we can just move on. Shame.

Even if it doesnt die... its not like were flooding the forums with complaints. Its all neatly contained in a single thread. Nothing to worry about for them

Yeah, it is shameful, that they can get a 500 crown outfit right, but not one which costs 5-times as much. Just look at those casual wear outfits which came out lately - they look nice on both, males and females (well not the dress, but the male outfit). The male one is even better looking on female characters (given that they need wider shoulders to create this look).

khele23eb17_ESO · July 2016

Lysette wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

maboleth wrote: »

Since Zeni didn't say anything here, I imagine they want this thread to die and we can just move on. Shame.

Even if it doesnt die... its not like were flooding the forums with complaints. Its all neatly contained in a single thread. Nothing to worry about for them

Yeah, it is shameful, that they can get a 500 crown outfit right, but not one which costs 5-times as much. Just look at those casual wear outfits which came out lately - they look nice on both, males and females (well not the dress, but the male outfit). The male one is even better looking on female characters (given that they need wider shoulders to create this look).

Theyre rather simplistic tho. Not a lot that can go wrong there... tho Im sure ZOS is fully capable of screwing up even that :P