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Wow costume dyes require crown store or ESO plus ?
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NateAssassin✭✭✭✭✭Subscribing to dye a costume, is this some sort of joke lol, what's next? Subs can only dye weapons?AD | Malaya the Mystic ─ VR16 Khajiit Sorc | Shal'ina the Swift ─ VR16 Khajiit NB | Jòhn Cena ─ VR1 Khajiit NB | Priestess Shaari ─ VR1 Temp6 -
Towerdragon✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
This is the same reason I am upset. It's a form of scamming.
I should i feel scammed that im paying monthly and once i quit my ESO plus sub I loss access to all the content after i have spend $250+ on subs am i scammed!!! absolute not I dont feel that way in the slightest i have gotten my money worth in this game tenfold!!!Edited by Towerdragon on June 25, 2016 2:58AM1 -
Niastissa✭✭✭I don't think people realize that ESO Plus was supposed to be something that provided ACTUAL benefits to players that made it a tempting loyalty subscription from the time it was conceived, but it never did that until after Dark Brotherhood came out.
In all honesty, 10% Extra Gold, Inspiration, Experience Points as well as access to all DLC was just not worth the monthly price before imho. The only people that were subbed, including myself, were subbed because we got Crowns out of it, and it pays to still be a loyal sub for a game that you like (when it works, that is) to support the dev team to continue making it better.
Now, the ability to have a Craft Bag to store all of you crafting materials automatically as well as Dye Costumes & Hats from your Collectibles menu freely from a Dye Station as an ESO Plus sub is all easily summed up as simply being a measure of providing even more convenience to loyal subs of the game. You know...the people actually paying for the game and supporting the devs to keep working on it and improving on it more?
I don't like putting things bluntly, but when we pay for a sub to a game that isn't necessary to sub to, we do expect benefits to be earned from it. It is extremely tempting for people to get a sub for ESO Plus for the convenience it offers throughout the whole game, and that's how it should be. It's not pay-to-win either. You can perfectly get by in this game without a subscription. The sub is just to make things more convenient for players so that they can get access to all of the content the game has to offer without having to devote time to resource management as much.
I really don't see the issue with that. People were responding very well on stream when we saw that we could still access Dye Stations to dye Costumes and Hats with the dyes we have already unlocked as ESO Plus subs.
As a non-suscriber myself, I really like what they are doing now, and hope they keep expanding it in the future.
Now this is a really fair statement, I will give you an awesome for this.
It's fair? What because you agree with it. Give me a break. People who couldn't afford to buy the DLC paid the sub. Now all of a sudden people paying the sub get special treatment and things given to them and they want to start forcing us to pay a sub through dropping features.
I wouldn't be upset if they had not masqueraded around as a buy to play game and then pulled another about face in a money grab scheme.
From here on out they get sub money and nothing else. I'm beyond upset that they have the nerve to sell the DLC and act like you get the full experience just without a experience buff if you buy the content at a one time fee.
BAIT AND SWITCH7 -
Kalifas✭✭✭
The thing that irks me the most is these little piece meal purchases that aren't permanent. If you want offline elder scroll fans to approach this game and feel like they don't need to subscribe. The user should have to fiddle with the crown store as little as possible. And purchases without permanence require a user to purchase again and again like a vending machine.Towerdragon wrote: »Towerdragon wrote: »
Well, it is going into this direction anyway - without to force it on people, so no need to change anything in the matter. With a subscription only model would come entitlement to get all the content with the subscription. ZOS is better off to leave it as it is, because they can charge for stuff, which is otherwise to be expected as included content, in the crown store. And I am thinking of my russian friend with it as well, he could not continue to play ESO with a subscription only model.
I play a subscription only game - EVE online - and basically all content is included with it - just not cosmetic things in the cash shop. Those are quite high priced, but they can be obtained with ingame currency as well.
My issue is this game can't pick a pricing model. First its a sub only. Then it's lame little things like more experience if you sub but you can buy the DLC and keep using it. The pricing of the DLC is on par with the sub model. I feel like if you spend $77 on the game either in the DLC as it comes out in six months or pay $77 for the sub you should still get the same benefits.
I simply want the developer to pick a pricing direction and stick with it because it's aggravating. I personally don't care if it is sub only or buy to play at this point but pick one. However it is *** to sell the DLC then entice people to pay the sub on top of it. The double dipping is what is aggravating me. It will result in more money in the short term but in the long term I'll simply pay the sub and not buy any more crowns. The net effect is they make less money.
I'm not going to say I'm leaving the game because that isn't the case but I'm going to avoid the store more now.
its called a Hybrid model and this is not the only MMO to do this
I don't care if other MMO's use this model. I don't play the other MMO games so that should be a clue.
Include it as big convenience expansion for 20-40 bucks and the user doesn't have to fiddle with the stupid crown store everytime they want to change their look. I don't know if anyone here gets where I'm coming from. But it's comparable to being flooded with 1000 options versus 2-10 big ones that include all those 1000, it's busy work.
Now I cannot get that experience unless I subscribe. If I truly can't get that experience without being subscribed then just make the game full on subscription.An Avid fan of Elder Scrolls Online. Check out my Concepts Repository!2 -
Towerdragon✭✭✭
It's fair? What because you agree with it. Give me a break. People who couldn't afford to buy the DLC paid the sub. Now all of a sudden people paying the sub get special treatment and things given to them and they want to start forcing us to pay a sub through dropping features.
Yes ESO actually wants you to Sub thats the point of the Business model they also would like you to buy stuff use you allotment of crowns and then buy more oh the truth is revealed!!!Edited by Towerdragon on June 25, 2016 3:06AM2 -
Niastissa✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
This is the same reason I am upset. It's a form of scamming.
I should i feel scammed that im paying monthly and once i quit my ESO plus sub I loss access to all the content after i have spend $250+ on subs am i scammed!!! absolute not I dont feel that way in the slightest i have gotten my money worth in this game tenfold!!!
Are you stupid or trying to deflect the argument.
The concept of buying the content instead of paying the sub is so you don't lose it.
A subscription is a fancy phrase for renting something.
Being upset you lose access to content from a sub is not the same thing as being upset at being coerced to subscribe (rent) to content you already bought to get a perk that is utterly important to the game. unlimited crafting bag space is not trivial.3 -
Niastissa✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »
It's fair? What because you agree with it. Give me a break. People who couldn't afford to buy the DLC paid the sub. Now all of a sudden people paying the sub get special treatment and things given to them and they want to start forcing us to pay a sub through dropping features.
Yes ESO actually wants you to Sub thats the point of the Business model
Then don't sell the DLC!3 -
Niastissa✭✭✭
The thing that irks me the most is these little piece meal purchases that aren't permanent. If you want offline elder scroll fans to approach this game and feel like they don't need to subscribe. The user should have to fiddle with the crown store as little as possible. And purchases without permanence require a user to purchase again and again like a vending machine.Towerdragon wrote: »Towerdragon wrote: »
Well, it is going into this direction anyway - without to force it on people, so no need to change anything in the matter. With a subscription only model would come entitlement to get all the content with the subscription. ZOS is better off to leave it as it is, because they can charge for stuff, which is otherwise to be expected as included content, in the crown store. And I am thinking of my russian friend with it as well, he could not continue to play ESO with a subscription only model.
I play a subscription only game - EVE online - and basically all content is included with it - just not cosmetic things in the cash shop. Those are quite high priced, but they can be obtained with ingame currency as well.
My issue is this game can't pick a pricing model. First its a sub only. Then it's lame little things like more experience if you sub but you can buy the DLC and keep using it. The pricing of the DLC is on par with the sub model. I feel like if you spend $77 on the game either in the DLC as it comes out in six months or pay $77 for the sub you should still get the same benefits.
I simply want the developer to pick a pricing direction and stick with it because it's aggravating. I personally don't care if it is sub only or buy to play at this point but pick one. However it is *** to sell the DLC then entice people to pay the sub on top of it. The double dipping is what is aggravating me. It will result in more money in the short term but in the long term I'll simply pay the sub and not buy any more crowns. The net effect is they make less money.
I'm not going to say I'm leaving the game because that isn't the case but I'm going to avoid the store more now.
its called a Hybrid model and this is not the only MMO to do this
I don't care if other MMO's use this model. I don't play the other MMO games so that should be a clue.
Include it as big convenience expansion for 20-40 bucks and the user doesn't have to fiddle with the stupid crown store everytime they want to change their look. I don't know if anyone here gets where I'm coming from. But it's comparable to being flooded with 1000 options versus 2-10 big ones that include all those 1000, it's busy work.
Now I cannot get that experience unless I subscribe. If I truly can't get that experience without being subscribed then just make the game full on subscription.
What you are describing is pay to win which is the thing I feared when I first heard about this new adventure into free to play micro transaction death of a million pricks.
I quit for over six months because of it before even considering looking at the game again.1 -
Towerdragon✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
This is the same reason I am upset. It's a form of scamming.
I should i feel scammed that im paying monthly and once i quit my ESO plus sub I loss access to all the content after i have spend $250+ on subs am i scammed!!! absolute not I dont feel that way in the slightest i have gotten my money worth in this game tenfold!!!
Are you stupid or trying to deflect the argument.
The concept of buying the content instead of paying the sub is so you don't lose it.
A subscription is a fancy phrase for renting something.
Being upset you lose access to content from a sub is not the same thing as being upset at being coerced to subscribe (rent) to content you already bought to get a perk that is utterly important to the game. unlimited crafting bag space is not trivial.
also read my comment about the terms of Service you own NOTHING!!!!!0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't think people realize that ESO Plus was supposed to be something that provided ACTUAL benefits to players that made it a tempting loyalty subscription from the time it was conceived, but it never did that until after Dark Brotherhood came out.
In all honesty, 10% Extra Gold, Inspiration, Experience Points as well as access to all DLC was just not worth the monthly price before imho. The only people that were subbed, including myself, were subbed because we got Crowns out of it, and it pays to still be a loyal sub for a game that you like (when it works, that is) to support the dev team to continue making it better.
Now, the ability to have a Craft Bag to store all of you crafting materials automatically as well as Dye Costumes & Hats from your Collectibles menu freely from a Dye Station as an ESO Plus sub is all easily summed up as simply being a measure of providing even more convenience to loyal subs of the game. You know...the people actually paying for the game and supporting the devs to keep working on it and improving on it more?
I don't like putting things bluntly, but when we pay for a sub to a game that isn't necessary to sub to, we do expect benefits to be earned from it. It is extremely tempting for people to get a sub for ESO Plus for the convenience it offers throughout the whole game, and that's how it should be. It's not pay-to-win either. You can perfectly get by in this game without a subscription. The sub is just to make things more convenient for players so that they can get access to all of the content the game has to offer without having to devote time to resource management as much.
I really don't see the issue with that. People were responding very well on stream when we saw that we could still access Dye Stations to dye Costumes and Hats with the dyes we have already unlocked as ESO Plus subs.
As a non-suscriber myself, I really like what they are doing now, and hope they keep expanding it in the future.
Now this is a really fair statement, I will give you an awesome for this.
It's fair? What because you agree with it. Give me a break. People who couldn't afford to buy the DLC paid the sub. Now all of a sudden people paying the sub get special treatment and things given to them and they want to start forcing us to pay a sub through dropping features.
I wouldn't be upset if they had not masqueraded around as a buy to play game and then pulled another about face in a money grab scheme.
From here on out they get sub money and nothing else. I'm beyond upset that they have the nerve to sell the DLC and act like you get the full experience just without a experience buff if you buy the content at a one time fee.
BAIT AND SWITCH
ESO+ lacked for a long time valueable perks - I complained about it as well. But when ZOS listened and announced the crafting bag AND OTHER NEW PERKS in future, I subscribed, because it was clear to me, that it would be worth it and become even more valuable over time. I bought DLCs before as well - the only two which were out at that time - but it became clear to me, that subscription is the way to go if I want to enjoy all what the game has to offer (even it will not be all, because it takes me too long to get there if ever). You had the same chance as I had - you did not use it and you are still reluctant and it will hurt you even more in future, when more perks will be added - one bit here, one bit there - so subscribe and end of problem.0 -
Niastissa✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
This is the same reason I am upset. It's a form of scamming.
I should i feel scammed that im paying monthly and once i quit my ESO plus sub I loss access to all the content after i have spend $250+ on subs am i scammed!!! absolute not I dont feel that way in the slightest i have gotten my money worth in this game tenfold!!!
Are you stupid or trying to deflect the argument.
The concept of buying the content instead of paying the sub is so you don't lose it.
A subscription is a fancy phrase for renting something.
Being upset you lose access to content from a sub is not the same thing as being upset at being coerced to subscribe (rent) to content you already bought to get a perk that is utterly important to the game. unlimited crafting bag space is not trivial.
also read my comment about the terms of Service you own NOTHING!!!!!
Another straw man argument. You know full and well I didn't mean I own the intellectual rights to the game.
I own the license to play it as long as the game is running without paying any more.2 -
Avalon✭✭✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »
Then I am indeed disappointed. They refuse to add a necro class, so I make do with the night blade and being a vampire, despite becoming chalk white like I have some melanin and skin pigment disease. I work and earn the skellie polymorph, but it has no clothes and doesn't accurately represent the races (I'm an argonian), they semi-fix by adding cadaverous assassin, but give it the ugliest color combination possible for the wardrobe...
They FINALLY add one of the few things I've been asking for since shortly after the game came out... But, for... I can't even come up with a good reason... They decided to not let it work on the polymorph? How does that even make sense? At this point, it's like specifically adding a block to not allow it to be dyed /smh...0 -
Towerdragon✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
This is the same reason I am upset. It's a form of scamming.
I should i feel scammed that im paying monthly and once i quit my ESO plus sub I loss access to all the content after i have spend $250+ on subs am i scammed!!! absolute not I dont feel that way in the slightest i have gotten my money worth in this game tenfold!!!
Are you stupid or trying to deflect the argument.
The concept of buying the content instead of paying the sub is so you don't lose it.
A subscription is a fancy phrase for renting something.
Being upset you lose access to content from a sub is not the same thing as being upset at being coerced to subscribe (rent) to content you already bought to get a perk that is utterly important to the game. unlimited crafting bag space is not trivial.
also read my comment about the terms of Service you own NOTHING!!!!!
Another straw man argument. You know full and well I didn't mean I own the intellectual rights to the game.
I own the license to play it as long as the game is running without paying any more.
you own the right to play the base game that is all which is the 1-50 and the 2 other faction zones which will get you to 160CPEdited by Towerdragon on June 25, 2016 3:15AM0 -
Kalifas✭✭✭
No next update after the upcoming one:NateAssassin wrote: »Subscribing to dye a costume, is this some sort of joke lol, what's next? Subs can only dye weapons?- Subscribers get their CP cap raised to 1002 with infinite enlightenment.
- Subscribers get 3 saved sets of champion points to swap between and no cost for re-doing Champion points.
- DLC buyers have to buy theirs at a rate of 1 crown for CP and capped at 990 CP with limited enlightment.
- DLC buyers can buy one saved set and a free one time champion point reset. Once used they need to repurchase it in crown store.
An Avid fan of Elder Scrolls Online. Check out my Concepts Repository!1 -
Niastissa✭✭✭I don't think people realize that ESO Plus was supposed to be something that provided ACTUAL benefits to players that made it a tempting loyalty subscription from the time it was conceived, but it never did that until after Dark Brotherhood came out.
In all honesty, 10% Extra Gold, Inspiration, Experience Points as well as access to all DLC was just not worth the monthly price before imho. The only people that were subbed, including myself, were subbed because we got Crowns out of it, and it pays to still be a loyal sub for a game that you like (when it works, that is) to support the dev team to continue making it better.
Now, the ability to have a Craft Bag to store all of you crafting materials automatically as well as Dye Costumes & Hats from your Collectibles menu freely from a Dye Station as an ESO Plus sub is all easily summed up as simply being a measure of providing even more convenience to loyal subs of the game. You know...the people actually paying for the game and supporting the devs to keep working on it and improving on it more?
I don't like putting things bluntly, but when we pay for a sub to a game that isn't necessary to sub to, we do expect benefits to be earned from it. It is extremely tempting for people to get a sub for ESO Plus for the convenience it offers throughout the whole game, and that's how it should be. It's not pay-to-win either. You can perfectly get by in this game without a subscription. The sub is just to make things more convenient for players so that they can get access to all of the content the game has to offer without having to devote time to resource management as much.
I really don't see the issue with that. People were responding very well on stream when we saw that we could still access Dye Stations to dye Costumes and Hats with the dyes we have already unlocked as ESO Plus subs.
As a non-suscriber myself, I really like what they are doing now, and hope they keep expanding it in the future.
Now this is a really fair statement, I will give you an awesome for this.
It's fair? What because you agree with it. Give me a break. People who couldn't afford to buy the DLC paid the sub. Now all of a sudden people paying the sub get special treatment and things given to them and they want to start forcing us to pay a sub through dropping features.
I wouldn't be upset if they had not masqueraded around as a buy to play game and then pulled another about face in a money grab scheme.
From here on out they get sub money and nothing else. I'm beyond upset that they have the nerve to sell the DLC and act like you get the full experience just without a experience buff if you buy the content at a one time fee.
BAIT AND SWITCH
ESO+ lacked for a long time valueable perks - I complained about it as well. But when ZOS listened and announced the crafting bag AND OTHER NEW PERKS in future, I subscribed, because it was clear to me, that it would be worth it and become even more valuable over time. I bought DLCs before as well - the only two which were out at that time - but it became clear to me, that subscription is the way to go if I want to enjoy all what the game has to offer (even it will not be all, because it takes me too long to get there if ever). You had the same chance as I had - you did not use it and you are still reluctant and it will hurt you even more in future, when more perks will be added - one bit here, one bit there - so subscribe and end of problem.
I just came back this week. I found out talking to people in my guild after I got excited about new content and purchased it.
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Niastissa✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »Towerdragon wrote: »Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
This is the same reason I am upset. It's a form of scamming.
I should i feel scammed that im paying monthly and once i quit my ESO plus sub I loss access to all the content after i have spend $250+ on subs am i scammed!!! absolute not I dont feel that way in the slightest i have gotten my money worth in this game tenfold!!!
Are you stupid or trying to deflect the argument.
The concept of buying the content instead of paying the sub is so you don't lose it.
A subscription is a fancy phrase for renting something.
Being upset you lose access to content from a sub is not the same thing as being upset at being coerced to subscribe (rent) to content you already bought to get a perk that is utterly important to the game. unlimited crafting bag space is not trivial.
also read my comment about the terms of Service you own NOTHING!!!!!
Another straw man argument. You know full and well I didn't mean I own the intellectual rights to the game.
I own the license to play it as long as the game is running without paying any more.
you own the right to play the base game that is all which is the 1-50 and the 2 other faction zones
No I own the right to play all of it. The license for the DLC for me is perpetual. Do you not understand the concept of subscription vs purchase?
This is what is wrong with todays generation. You kids are in for a rough life.
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me_ming✭✭✭✭✭I don't think people realize that ESO Plus was supposed to be something that provided ACTUAL benefits to players that made it a tempting loyalty subscription from the time it was conceived, but it never did that until after Dark Brotherhood came out.
In all honesty, 10% Extra Gold, Inspiration, Experience Points as well as access to all DLC was just not worth the monthly price before imho. The only people that were subbed, including myself, were subbed because we got Crowns out of it, and it pays to still be a loyal sub for a game that you like (when it works, that is) to support the dev team to continue making it better.
Now, the ability to have a Craft Bag to store all of you crafting materials automatically as well as Dye Costumes & Hats from your Collectibles menu freely from a Dye Station as an ESO Plus sub is all easily summed up as simply being a measure of providing even more convenience to loyal subs of the game. You know...the people actually paying for the game and supporting the devs to keep working on it and improving on it more?
I don't like putting things bluntly, but when we pay for a sub to a game that isn't necessary to sub to, we do expect benefits to be earned from it. It is extremely tempting for people to get a sub for ESO Plus for the convenience it offers throughout the whole game, and that's how it should be. It's not pay-to-win either. You can perfectly get by in this game without a subscription. The sub is just to make things more convenient for players so that they can get access to all of the content the game has to offer without having to devote time to resource management as much.
I really don't see the issue with that. People were responding very well on stream when we saw that we could still access Dye Stations to dye Costumes and Hats with the dyes we have already unlocked as ESO Plus subs.
As a non-suscriber myself, I really like what they are doing now, and hope they keep expanding it in the future.
Now this is a really fair statement, I will give you an awesome for this.
It's fair? What because you agree with it. Give me a break. People who couldn't afford to buy the DLC paid the sub. Now all of a sudden people paying the sub get special treatment and things given to them and they want to start forcing us to pay a sub through dropping features.
I wouldn't be upset if they had not masqueraded around as a buy to play game and then pulled another about face in a money grab scheme.
From here on out they get sub money and nothing else. I'm beyond upset that they have the nerve to sell the DLC and act like you get the full experience just without a experience buff if you buy the content at a one time fee.
BAIT AND SWITCH
So ummm... You don't get the full experience because you can't dye your costume? Or that you don't have enough bag space? Hmmmm... I mean, do the quests lock if you can't dye your costumes? lol
If you can afford the DLCs, then surely you can afford a sub, can't you? Why didn't you sub in the first place anyway? People who said that ZoS has screwed them because now they have all these purchased DLCs and don't want to sub (because they have purchased the DLCs already) have nothing but themselves to blame. YOU were the once who screwed yourself. You have your reasons not to sub, and that's fine. But just because now, subs are getting the perks that doesn't mean you were screwed by the game. No one is forcing you to play a game you don't think is good enough for you.Edited by me_ming on June 25, 2016 3:17AM"We're heroes, my boon companion, and heroes always win! Let that be a lesson to you."
-Caldwell, "The Final Assault"
"There is always a choice. But you don't get to choose what is true, you only get to choose what you will do about it..."
-Abnur Tharn, "God of Schemes"]1 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »
It's fair? What because you agree with it. Give me a break. People who couldn't afford to buy the DLC paid the sub. Now all of a sudden people paying the sub get special treatment and things given to them and they want to start forcing us to pay a sub through dropping features.
Yes ESO actually wants you to Sub thats the point of the Business model they also would like you to buy stuff use you allotment of crowns and then buy more oh the truth is revealed!!!
That is actually what I do, because 1500 crowns per month is like nothing, I burn through 9000 crowns for a 6-months sub in a couple of days, so I have to buy crown packs as well to get all I want. But this is ok, when I enjoy the game and have fun with costumes, a collection of mounts and pets and other items. I see it from the perspective, what makes my limited time to play more enjoyable and buy that then.Edited by Lysette on June 25, 2016 3:18AM2 -
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✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
I could say the exact same thing about my Sub if i drop my sub I lose access to all content (so that makes my sub worthless?) i dont understand your gripe sorry.
Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?
Did you read the ToS? You bought a license to use the content. And ZOS controls the content. From the ToS:
By creating an Account, You agree that You do not own the Account, any user names created on the Account, any Content stored or associated with an Account (such as digital and/or virtual assets, achievements, virtual currency, and other Downloadable Content), or related data associated with the Account. ...
You agree that You have no ownership right or title in or to any such Downloadable Content, including, but not limited to, the virtual goods appearing or originating in the Services (such as a Game) or any other attributes associated with any Account or Services. ZeniMax does not recognize any purported transfers of virtual property executed outside of the Game, or the purported sale, gift or trade in the "real world" of anything that appears or originates in a Service or a Game. Accordingly, You may not sell, and You may not assist others in selling, Service(s) or in-Game items for real currency, or exchange those items for value outside of the Services. Evidence of any attempt to redeem Downloadable Content for a purported exchange, sale, gift or trade in the "real world" will result in the immediate suspension or termination of Your Account.
3. Limited License to Use
Subject to the terms in these Terms of Service and Your compliance with all of the terms and conditions in these Terms of Service, ZeniMax grants to You, for Your personal and private use only, a non-exclusive, revocable, nontransferable license to use Services (including any Content which is made available by ZeniMax (including but not limited to Game Mods that You download from a ZeniMax website) as a part of a Service and then solely in connection with such Service) as set forth in these Terms of Service.
Fromt he EULA:
Ownership of the Game.
ZeniMax and its licensors are and will continue to be the owner of all right, title, and interest in and to the Game and the Service, including without limitation all intellectual property rights and moral rights in and to the Game and all copies thereof (including without limitation any titles, software programs and code, Game related themes, characters, character names, character likenesses, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, character inventories, structural, landscape and other designs in the Game, animations, sounds, musical compositions and recordings, audio-visual effects, storylines, methods of operation, and any related documentation). The Game is protected by the copyright laws of the United States, international treaties and conventions, and other laws. The Game may contain materials licensed by third parties, and the licensors of those materials may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement. This paragraph will survive the termination of this Agreement. You acknowledge and agree that you have no interest, monetary or otherwise, in any feature or content contained in the Game. As further described in the ZeniMax Terms of Service, but subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1 of the ZeniMax Terms of Service), ZeniMax may change, modify, suspend, or discontinue any aspect of the Game at any time and ZeniMax may also impose limits on certain features or restrict your access to parts or all of the Game without notice or liability.
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Niastissa✭✭✭I don't think people realize that ESO Plus was supposed to be something that provided ACTUAL benefits to players that made it a tempting loyalty subscription from the time it was conceived, but it never did that until after Dark Brotherhood came out.
In all honesty, 10% Extra Gold, Inspiration, Experience Points as well as access to all DLC was just not worth the monthly price before imho. The only people that were subbed, including myself, were subbed because we got Crowns out of it, and it pays to still be a loyal sub for a game that you like (when it works, that is) to support the dev team to continue making it better.
Now, the ability to have a Craft Bag to store all of you crafting materials automatically as well as Dye Costumes & Hats from your Collectibles menu freely from a Dye Station as an ESO Plus sub is all easily summed up as simply being a measure of providing even more convenience to loyal subs of the game. You know...the people actually paying for the game and supporting the devs to keep working on it and improving on it more?
I don't like putting things bluntly, but when we pay for a sub to a game that isn't necessary to sub to, we do expect benefits to be earned from it. It is extremely tempting for people to get a sub for ESO Plus for the convenience it offers throughout the whole game, and that's how it should be. It's not pay-to-win either. You can perfectly get by in this game without a subscription. The sub is just to make things more convenient for players so that they can get access to all of the content the game has to offer without having to devote time to resource management as much.
I really don't see the issue with that. People were responding very well on stream when we saw that we could still access Dye Stations to dye Costumes and Hats with the dyes we have already unlocked as ESO Plus subs.
As a non-suscriber myself, I really like what they are doing now, and hope they keep expanding it in the future.
Now this is a really fair statement, I will give you an awesome for this.
It's fair? What because you agree with it. Give me a break. People who couldn't afford to buy the DLC paid the sub. Now all of a sudden people paying the sub get special treatment and things given to them and they want to start forcing us to pay a sub through dropping features.
I wouldn't be upset if they had not masqueraded around as a buy to play game and then pulled another about face in a money grab scheme.
From here on out they get sub money and nothing else. I'm beyond upset that they have the nerve to sell the DLC and act like you get the full experience just without a experience buff if you buy the content at a one time fee.
BAIT AND SWITCH
So ummm... You don't get the full experience because you can't dye your costume? Or that you don't have enough bag space? Hmmmm... I mean, do the quests lock if you can't dye your costumes? lol
If you can afford the DLCs, then surely you can afford a sub, can't you? Why didn't you sub in the first place anyway? People who said that ZoS has screwed them because now they have all these purchased DLCs and don't want to sub (because they have purchased the DLCs already) have nothing but themselves to blame. YOU were the once who screwed yourself. You have your reasons not to sub, and that's fine. But just because now, subs are getting the perks that doesn't mean you were screwed by the game. No one is forcing you to play a game you don't think is good enough for you.
Where have I said anything about colors? I'm talking about the crafting bag and not being gimped. Change the subject some more.
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Towerdragon✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
I could say the exact same thing about my Sub if i drop my sub I lose access to all content (so that makes my sub worthless?) i dont understand your gripe sorry.
Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?
Did you read the ToS? You bought a license to use the content. And ZOS controls the content. From the ToS:
By creating an Account, You agree that You do not own the Account, any user names created on the Account, any Content stored or associated with an Account (such as digital and/or virtual assets, achievements, virtual currency, and other Downloadable Content), or related data associated with the Account. ...
You agree that You have no ownership right or title in or to any such Downloadable Content, including, but not limited to, the virtual goods appearing or originating in the Services (such as a Game) or any other attributes associated with any Account or Services. ZeniMax does not recognize any purported transfers of virtual property executed outside of the Game, or the purported sale, gift or trade in the "real world" of anything that appears or originates in a Service or a Game. Accordingly, You may not sell, and You may not assist others in selling, Service(s) or in-Game items for real currency, or exchange those items for value outside of the Services. Evidence of any attempt to redeem Downloadable Content for a purported exchange, sale, gift or trade in the "real world" will result in the immediate suspension or termination of Your Account.
3. Limited License to Use
Subject to the terms in these Terms of Service and Your compliance with all of the terms and conditions in these Terms of Service, ZeniMax grants to You, for Your personal and private use only, a non-exclusive, revocable, nontransferable license to use Services (including any Content which is made available by ZeniMax (including but not limited to Game Mods that You download from a ZeniMax website) as a part of a Service and then solely in connection with such Service) as set forth in these Terms of Service.
Fromt he EULA:
Ownership of the Game.
ZeniMax and its licensors are and will continue to be the owner of all right, title, and interest in and to the Game and the Service, including without limitation all intellectual property rights and moral rights in and to the Game and all copies thereof (including without limitation any titles, software programs and code, Game related themes, characters, character names, character likenesses, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, character inventories, structural, landscape and other designs in the Game, animations, sounds, musical compositions and recordings, audio-visual effects, storylines, methods of operation, and any related documentation). The Game is protected by the copyright laws of the United States, international treaties and conventions, and other laws. The Game may contain materials licensed by third parties, and the licensors of those materials may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement. This paragraph will survive the termination of this Agreement. You acknowledge and agree that you have no interest, monetary or otherwise, in any feature or content contained in the Game. As further described in the ZeniMax Terms of Service, but subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1 of the ZeniMax Terms of Service), ZeniMax may change, modify, suspend, or discontinue any aspect of the Game at any time and ZeniMax may also impose limits on certain features or restrict your access to parts or all of the Game without notice or liability.
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Niastissa✭✭✭
No next update after the upcoming one:NateAssassin wrote: »Subscribing to dye a costume, is this some sort of joke lol, what's next? Subs can only dye weapons?- Subscribers get their CP cap raised to 1002 with infinite enlightenment.
- Subscribers get 3 saved sets of champion points to swap between and no cost for re-doing Champion points.
- DLC buyers have to buy theirs at a rate of 1 crown for CP and capped at 990 CP with limited enlightment.
- DLC buyers can buy one saved set and a free one time champion point reset. Once used they need to repurchase it in crown store.
yeah I'm not buying anymore DLC. I'll happily pay the subscription model and take the perks.
I'm simply upset that they even introduced the buy to play model and pretended it would be on equal footing and then changed it up again. At least going from subscription to pay to play it didn't rip people off.
This is not the way to foster loyalty from customers. Right now I'll play until something better comes out and then bail because I am increasingly coming to hate this company.4 -
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I don't know if you were speaking to me. But I am not saying what they are doing is illegal or that it's not their right to do. I just think they are going about things the wrong way.Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
I could say the exact same thing about my Sub if i drop my sub I lose access to all content (so that makes my sub worthless?) i dont understand your gripe sorry.
Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?
Did you read the ToS? You bought a license to use the content. And ZOS controls the content. From the ToS:
By creating an Account, You agree that You do not own the Account, any user names created on the Account, any Content stored or associated with an Account (such as digital and/or virtual assets, achievements, virtual currency, and other Downloadable Content), or related data associated with the Account. ...
You agree that You have no ownership right or title in or to any such Downloadable Content, including, but not limited to, the virtual goods appearing or originating in the Services (such as a Game) or any other attributes associated with any Account or Services. ZeniMax does not recognize any purported transfers of virtual property executed outside of the Game, or the purported sale, gift or trade in the "real world" of anything that appears or originates in a Service or a Game. Accordingly, You may not sell, and You may not assist others in selling, Service(s) or in-Game items for real currency, or exchange those items for value outside of the Services. Evidence of any attempt to redeem Downloadable Content for a purported exchange, sale, gift or trade in the "real world" will result in the immediate suspension or termination of Your Account.
3. Limited License to Use
Subject to the terms in these Terms of Service and Your compliance with all of the terms and conditions in these Terms of Service, ZeniMax grants to You, for Your personal and private use only, a non-exclusive, revocable, nontransferable license to use Services (including any Content which is made available by ZeniMax (including but not limited to Game Mods that You download from a ZeniMax website) as a part of a Service and then solely in connection with such Service) as set forth in these Terms of Service.
Fromt he EULA:
Ownership of the Game.
ZeniMax and its licensors are and will continue to be the owner of all right, title, and interest in and to the Game and the Service, including without limitation all intellectual property rights and moral rights in and to the Game and all copies thereof (including without limitation any titles, software programs and code, Game related themes, characters, character names, character likenesses, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, character inventories, structural, landscape and other designs in the Game, animations, sounds, musical compositions and recordings, audio-visual effects, storylines, methods of operation, and any related documentation). The Game is protected by the copyright laws of the United States, international treaties and conventions, and other laws. The Game may contain materials licensed by third parties, and the licensors of those materials may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement. This paragraph will survive the termination of this Agreement. You acknowledge and agree that you have no interest, monetary or otherwise, in any feature or content contained in the Game. As further described in the ZeniMax Terms of Service, but subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1 of the ZeniMax Terms of Service), ZeniMax may change, modify, suspend, or discontinue any aspect of the Game at any time and ZeniMax may also impose limits on certain features or restrict your access to parts or all of the Game without notice or liability.
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Niastissa✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
I could say the exact same thing about my Sub if i drop my sub I lose access to all content (so that makes my sub worthless?) i dont understand your gripe sorry.
Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?
Did you read the ToS? You bought a license to use the content. And ZOS controls the content. From the ToS:
By creating an Account, You agree that You do not own the Account, any user names created on the Account, any Content stored or associated with an Account (such as digital and/or virtual assets, achievements, virtual currency, and other Downloadable Content), or related data associated with the Account. ...
You agree that You have no ownership right or title in or to any such Downloadable Content, including, but not limited to, the virtual goods appearing or originating in the Services (such as a Game) or any other attributes associated with any Account or Services. ZeniMax does not recognize any purported transfers of virtual property executed outside of the Game, or the purported sale, gift or trade in the "real world" of anything that appears or originates in a Service or a Game. Accordingly, You may not sell, and You may not assist others in selling, Service(s) or in-Game items for real currency, or exchange those items for value outside of the Services. Evidence of any attempt to redeem Downloadable Content for a purported exchange, sale, gift or trade in the "real world" will result in the immediate suspension or termination of Your Account.
3. Limited License to Use
Subject to the terms in these Terms of Service and Your compliance with all of the terms and conditions in these Terms of Service, ZeniMax grants to You, for Your personal and private use only, a non-exclusive, revocable, nontransferable license to use Services (including any Content which is made available by ZeniMax (including but not limited to Game Mods that You download from a ZeniMax website) as a part of a Service and then solely in connection with such Service) as set forth in these Terms of Service.
Fromt he EULA:
Ownership of the Game.
ZeniMax and its licensors are and will continue to be the owner of all right, title, and interest in and to the Game and the Service, including without limitation all intellectual property rights and moral rights in and to the Game and all copies thereof (including without limitation any titles, software programs and code, Game related themes, characters, character names, character likenesses, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, character inventories, structural, landscape and other designs in the Game, animations, sounds, musical compositions and recordings, audio-visual effects, storylines, methods of operation, and any related documentation). The Game is protected by the copyright laws of the United States, international treaties and conventions, and other laws. The Game may contain materials licensed by third parties, and the licensors of those materials may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement. This paragraph will survive the termination of this Agreement. You acknowledge and agree that you have no interest, monetary or otherwise, in any feature or content contained in the Game. As further described in the ZeniMax Terms of Service, but subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1 of the ZeniMax Terms of Service), ZeniMax may change, modify, suspend, or discontinue any aspect of the Game at any time and ZeniMax may also impose limits on certain features or restrict your access to parts or all of the Game without notice or liability.
these people will not listen to reason
What do you mean these people?
Owning a perpetual license is the same thing as buying a single player game. So yes we are justified in being upset after buying a perpetual license for content we are being strong armed into paying for a rental license to access the same content.
A few months ago you people where the ones clamoring about how awesome the buy to play model was.
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Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
I could say the exact same thing about my Sub if i drop my sub I lose access to all content (so that makes my sub worthless?) i dont understand your gripe sorry.
Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?
Did you read the ToS? You bought a license to use the content. And ZOS controls the content. From the ToS:
By creating an Account, You agree that You do not own the Account, any user names created on the Account, any Content stored or associated with an Account (such as digital and/or virtual assets, achievements, virtual currency, and other Downloadable Content), or related data associated with the Account. ...
You agree that You have no ownership right or title in or to any such Downloadable Content, including, but not limited to, the virtual goods appearing or originating in the Services (such as a Game) or any other attributes associated with any Account or Services. ZeniMax does not recognize any purported transfers of virtual property executed outside of the Game, or the purported sale, gift or trade in the "real world" of anything that appears or originates in a Service or a Game. Accordingly, You may not sell, and You may not assist others in selling, Service(s) or in-Game items for real currency, or exchange those items for value outside of the Services. Evidence of any attempt to redeem Downloadable Content for a purported exchange, sale, gift or trade in the "real world" will result in the immediate suspension or termination of Your Account.
3. Limited License to Use
Subject to the terms in these Terms of Service and Your compliance with all of the terms and conditions in these Terms of Service, ZeniMax grants to You, for Your personal and private use only, a non-exclusive, revocable, nontransferable license to use Services (including any Content which is made available by ZeniMax (including but not limited to Game Mods that You download from a ZeniMax website) as a part of a Service and then solely in connection with such Service) as set forth in these Terms of Service.
Fromt he EULA:
Ownership of the Game.
ZeniMax and its licensors are and will continue to be the owner of all right, title, and interest in and to the Game and the Service, including without limitation all intellectual property rights and moral rights in and to the Game and all copies thereof (including without limitation any titles, software programs and code, Game related themes, characters, character names, character likenesses, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, character inventories, structural, landscape and other designs in the Game, animations, sounds, musical compositions and recordings, audio-visual effects, storylines, methods of operation, and any related documentation). The Game is protected by the copyright laws of the United States, international treaties and conventions, and other laws. The Game may contain materials licensed by third parties, and the licensors of those materials may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement. This paragraph will survive the termination of this Agreement. You acknowledge and agree that you have no interest, monetary or otherwise, in any feature or content contained in the Game. As further described in the ZeniMax Terms of Service, but subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1 of the ZeniMax Terms of Service), ZeniMax may change, modify, suspend, or discontinue any aspect of the Game at any time and ZeniMax may also impose limits on certain features or restrict your access to parts or all of the Game without notice or liability.
these people will not listen to reason
What do you mean these people?
Owning a perpetual license is the same thing as buying a single player game. So yes we are justified in being upset after buying a perpetual license for content we are being strong armed into paying for a rental license to access the same content.
A few months ago you people where the ones clamoring about how awesome the buy to play model was.
No original thought just think how the company tells you to think.
What he means by that is this kind of practise should never be encouraged by us (players).
If we accept this then be prepared for more $$$ to come with an increase in price.Edited by Van_0S on June 25, 2016 3:30AM0 -
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I don't know if you were speaking to me. But I am not saying what they are doing is illegal or that it's not their right to do. I just think they are going about things the wrong way.Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
I could say the exact same thing about my Sub if i drop my sub I lose access to all content (so that makes my sub worthless?) i dont understand your gripe sorry.
Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?
Did you read the ToS? You bought a license to use the content. And ZOS controls the content. From the ToS:
By creating an Account, You agree that You do not own the Account, any user names created on the Account, any Content stored or associated with an Account (such as digital and/or virtual assets, achievements, virtual currency, and other Downloadable Content), or related data associated with the Account. ...
You agree that You have no ownership right or title in or to any such Downloadable Content, including, but not limited to, the virtual goods appearing or originating in the Services (such as a Game) or any other attributes associated with any Account or Services. ZeniMax does not recognize any purported transfers of virtual property executed outside of the Game, or the purported sale, gift or trade in the "real world" of anything that appears or originates in a Service or a Game. Accordingly, You may not sell, and You may not assist others in selling, Service(s) or in-Game items for real currency, or exchange those items for value outside of the Services. Evidence of any attempt to redeem Downloadable Content for a purported exchange, sale, gift or trade in the "real world" will result in the immediate suspension or termination of Your Account.
3. Limited License to Use
Subject to the terms in these Terms of Service and Your compliance with all of the terms and conditions in these Terms of Service, ZeniMax grants to You, for Your personal and private use only, a non-exclusive, revocable, nontransferable license to use Services (including any Content which is made available by ZeniMax (including but not limited to Game Mods that You download from a ZeniMax website) as a part of a Service and then solely in connection with such Service) as set forth in these Terms of Service.
Fromt he EULA:
Ownership of the Game.
ZeniMax and its licensors are and will continue to be the owner of all right, title, and interest in and to the Game and the Service, including without limitation all intellectual property rights and moral rights in and to the Game and all copies thereof (including without limitation any titles, software programs and code, Game related themes, characters, character names, character likenesses, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, character inventories, structural, landscape and other designs in the Game, animations, sounds, musical compositions and recordings, audio-visual effects, storylines, methods of operation, and any related documentation). The Game is protected by the copyright laws of the United States, international treaties and conventions, and other laws. The Game may contain materials licensed by third parties, and the licensors of those materials may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this Agreement. This paragraph will survive the termination of this Agreement. You acknowledge and agree that you have no interest, monetary or otherwise, in any feature or content contained in the Game. As further described in the ZeniMax Terms of Service, but subject to the Statutory Obligations (as defined in Section 1 of the ZeniMax Terms of Service), ZeniMax may change, modify, suspend, or discontinue any aspect of the Game at any time and ZeniMax may also impose limits on certain features or restrict your access to parts or all of the Game without notice or liability.
these people will not listen to reason
By what exactly?- by making subscription actually valuable?- this was desperately in need of some valuable perks. More and more subscribers saw no value in it and were disappointed - so ZOS changed that to the better - and now they are blamed for doing this?- Now give me a break.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
I could say the exact same thing about my Sub if i drop my sub I lose access to all content (so that makes my sub worthless?) i dont understand your gripe sorry.
Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?
Did you read the ToS? You bought a license to use the content. And ZOS controls the content. From the ToS:
By creating an Account, You agree that You do not own the Account, any user names created on the Account, any Content stored or associated with an Account (such as digital and/or virtual assets, achievements, virtual currency, and other Downloadable Content), or related data associated with the Account. ...
You agree that You have no ownership right or title in or to any such Downloadable Content, including, but not limited to, the virtual goods appearing or originating in the Services (such as a Game) or any other attributes associated with any Account or Services. ZeniMax does not recognize any purported transfers of virtual property executed outside of the Game, or the purported sale, gift or trade in the "real world" of anything that appears or originates in a Service or a Game. Accordingly, You may not sell, and You may not assist others in selling, Service(s) or in-Game items for real currency, or exchange those items for value outside of the Services. Evidence of any attempt to redeem Downloadable Content for a purported exchange, sale, gift or trade in the "real world" will result in the immediate suspension or termination of Your Account.
3. Limited License to Use
Subject to the terms in these Terms of Service and Your compliance with all of the terms and conditions in these Terms of Service, ZeniMax grants to You, for Your personal and private use only, a non-exclusive, revocable, nontransferable license to use Services (including any Content which is made available by ZeniMax (including but not limited to Game Mods that You download from a ZeniMax website) as a part of a Service and then solely in connection with such Service) as set forth in these Terms of Service.
Fromt he EULA:
Ownership of the Game.
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these people will not listen to reason
What do you mean these people?
Owning a perpetual license is the same thing as buying a single player game. So yes we are justified in being upset after buying a perpetual license for content we are being strong armed into paying for a rental license to access the same content.
A few months ago you people where the ones clamoring about how awesome the buy to play model was.
No original thought just think how the company tells you to think.
What he means by that is this kind of practise should never be encouraged by us (players).
If we accept this then be prepared for more $$$ to come with an increase in price.
There is nothing wrong with a subscription based game - what is wrong is a free to play game - because it is long term more expensive and less enjoyable than a subscription game - IMO. You cannot expect a good service, if you are not willing to pay for it, simple as that. All what seems to be free, has somewhere something what will bother you until you finally pay - and often more than you would have had to pay in a subscription game.0 -
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Can you comment on the specific OP regarding more things being locked behind ESO plus but no opportunities or resolves existing for ESO plus specific to Xbox one?
Are you all going to change it completely so it works for everyone in the next 60 days ?
Change as in 100% success or remove it entirely and replace with something else that works 100% because contacting support every time is not a realistic solution or an improvement.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on June 25, 2016 3:38AM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Towerdragon✭✭✭ESO plus is what keeps the lights on at ZoS so yes subs should be treated better than people who just buy stuff on thecrown store1
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