Exploiters at it Again!

Dredlord · June 2016

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Going to keep on saying this.

Zenimax changed gap closers. There were numerous reports on the PTS forum about gap closers performing in unintentional ways as demonstrated in the OP. Zenimax chose to do nothing, and allow this to push to live with the reported bugs.

If a player, or group of players, does not participate in the forums or read these particular threads, THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO WAY TO KNOW THIS WAS NOT AN INTENDED GAME MECHANIC! So how, pray tell, are they cheating?

If I were a brand new player to this game, there is absolutely nothing Zenimax has stated in game/load screen/email or even on top of the forum website about this being an "exploit." Zenimax is doing their absolute damnedest to sweep this under the rug. @ZOS_DaryaK is sweeper in chief who will do anything and everything to keep this stuff hidden.

So if I were a new player, a casual, who had no interest on the forums, and though DK's were cool, how am I to know that I shouldn't be able to use an ability called "Take Flight" where I literally leap into the air with wings, to fly up onto walls or resources?

Are the players OP referring to aware that they are "exploiting" a broken mechanic? Maybe, heck I'd even lean towards probably. But does OP know that for certain? Even if they do actually know it, they have a darn good argument if ZOS tries to punish them that they have absolutely zero way of knowing its not intended.

So there are two possible things that can occur before you label anyone doing this with "cheater." Zenimax must state somewhere that isn't hidden in a forum thread (i.e. IN GAME) that this is a broken mechanic that is considered and exploit. Or, and here is a wild thought, ZOS could just fix their game.

ZOS hasn't even publicly admitted that it is having an issue with CE cheaters outside of buried in a specific forum post. I'd argue that roughly 90% of the player population isn't even aware of these forums, much less the cheating threads. As far as I know if I just picked up the game on PC and saw people flying and bombing meteors, that may be a completely intended mechanic.

I'm not saying these guys aren't exploiting. I'm saying let's start by holding the right people accountable.

And further more...said bank had no signs up telling me i could not steal errr take money from previously mentioned open vault.

Grao · June 2016

Whatzituyah wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

Whatzituyah wrote: »

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

Read this again^, until it really sinks in. All these excuses are just BS, get some self control, pls.

Keep posting and editing it man, it aint worth a damn. If we went to court about this and you tried to use that, any judge would laugh you out of the court room. No where in the TOS does it say I have to search the forums every patch about every possible permutation of ability usage. No where in the TOS does it even say I have to know the forums exist. So I could easily argue, and win 100% of the time that I had no way of knowing it was an "exploit."

But please continue to live in your world without nuance or critical thinking. It makes these forums so much more interesting.

What are you getting on about? go to the natch potes thread, the orginal message is there in black and white. I didn't edit ***. I'm editing my statements because what I want to say to you sympathizers the first time around would get me forum banned immediately. So I need to edit MY statements, after a few more sips of coffee.

And I'm not sure you actually know what critical thinking is at this point. You're describing a loop-hole that con-artist's use to get out of being labeled an exploiter as being reason to not fight the good fight here? first of all GG, second you're not thinking critically.

I realize that there are a few legitimate excuses, thanks Cpt. obvious. But clearly, as this thread shows there are those who will use these excuses to simply CON.

EDIT: here I'll even link it to you, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3048274/#Comment_3048274

I'm not entirely sure you understand the definition of critical thinking... I'll just leave this here for you, "Critical Thinking - the objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgment."

See the word objective? This is something I am able to be regarding this, as I am performing an objective analysis to point out why 90+% of the players are probably unaware that this is an exploit. You have already decided that anyone doing this is fully aware of it and is 100% unequivocally a cheater and must be punished. i.e. not objective.

And EVERYONE in game is fully aware they need siege to break down walls in order to enter a keep.
Saying....oh I thought these people was exempt from that mechanic out of feigned ignorance shouldnt be any defence what so ever.
These people are knowingly and intentionally avoiding the 'known acceptable' mechanics of entering an enemy keep.
ie intentionally sticking 2 fingers up at ZOS and doing it their way.
Deliberately employing skills in a way that was unintended...repeatedly...and in defiance when instructed by ZOS that entering a keep by any other means than sieging walls was not intended.

They think they are being clever..fine.
I hope their arrogance is rewarded.

Just a thought here, remember how animation cancelling wasn't an intended mechanic? It pretty much became not only accepted but endorsed by zos, maybe some of these things could, or even should, be seen in the same light, an unintended aspect that if legitimised could actually be an improvement?

@MuddledMuppet Well thats one way to get animator who possibly worked hours on the attack animations just to have them get skipped mad. IMHO I would quit on the spot the moment I heard this happened to my work.

But this is not the same thing its an oversight because they didn't expect anyone to go over the wall.

I am sorry, but this is not an oversight at all!!! Zenimax was well aware DK could jump walls because this was found out during Beta! ZOS also knew their new charge scripting was causing people to charge right through walls and doors! We warned them a moth ago in the PTS!

Well if this was happening to said beta how would developers know about unless people reported it and not abused it without knowing? It is called "Take Flight" one could assume they can jump practically anywhere so they thought it was a feature. I also believe this didn't come to light till now.

It was reported in Beta. And the Charging through walls was reported in the PTS. Zenimax chose to release the content as it is just like they chose to release Nightblades with about 40% of their abilities not working properly...

You do realize this game nearly died in its infancy because ZOS released it with so many reported bugs those playing and paying nicknamed the game 'payed beta testing', right? Sometimes the expression shows up in the forum because Zenimax still releases content with serious known bugs every large patch.

hamgatan · June 2016

Whatzituyah wrote: »

Maybe there should be an enforced invisible wall to keep people from jumping in the keep/tower but of course let any projectiles that is not a player go through and let players jump out of the keeps/towers. End result would be without destroying the walls or doors you can't get into the keep.

I suggested something similar back when that thread about flying mounts was circulating... you know the one which predicted massive sky bound zergballs going over keep walls (another epic thread).

What I suggested was that you increase the amount of mages on walls. Keep Damage at ground level the same, but if Players Z Position was higher than the normal running position + jump Z pos combined (i.e. lets say 3-3.5m) their damage would be increased by a factor of x10 with a instant knockdown CC thats not able to be mitigated. Fall damage would count also.

Pomaikai · June 2016

^^^^^
This!!!

Always remember that communication is key. If you refuse to communicate with your customers, that lack of communication is seen as a form of communication. A validation of the current status quo, even if there is a problem with said status quo.

Whatzituyah · June 2016

Grao wrote: »

Whatzituyah wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

Whatzituyah wrote: »

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

Read this again^, until it really sinks in. All these excuses are just BS, get some self control, pls.

Keep posting and editing it man, it aint worth a damn. If we went to court about this and you tried to use that, any judge would laugh you out of the court room. No where in the TOS does it say I have to search the forums every patch about every possible permutation of ability usage. No where in the TOS does it even say I have to know the forums exist. So I could easily argue, and win 100% of the time that I had no way of knowing it was an "exploit."

But please continue to live in your world without nuance or critical thinking. It makes these forums so much more interesting.

What are you getting on about? go to the natch potes thread, the orginal message is there in black and white. I didn't edit ***. I'm editing my statements because what I want to say to you sympathizers the first time around would get me forum banned immediately. So I need to edit MY statements, after a few more sips of coffee.

And I'm not sure you actually know what critical thinking is at this point. You're describing a loop-hole that con-artist's use to get out of being labeled an exploiter as being reason to not fight the good fight here? first of all GG, second you're not thinking critically.

I realize that there are a few legitimate excuses, thanks Cpt. obvious. But clearly, as this thread shows there are those who will use these excuses to simply CON.

EDIT: here I'll even link it to you, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3048274/#Comment_3048274

I'm not entirely sure you understand the definition of critical thinking... I'll just leave this here for you, "Critical Thinking - the objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgment."

See the word objective? This is something I am able to be regarding this, as I am performing an objective analysis to point out why 90+% of the players are probably unaware that this is an exploit. You have already decided that anyone doing this is fully aware of it and is 100% unequivocally a cheater and must be punished. i.e. not objective.

And EVERYONE in game is fully aware they need siege to break down walls in order to enter a keep.
Saying....oh I thought these people was exempt from that mechanic out of feigned ignorance shouldnt be any defence what so ever.
These people are knowingly and intentionally avoiding the 'known acceptable' mechanics of entering an enemy keep.
ie intentionally sticking 2 fingers up at ZOS and doing it their way.
Deliberately employing skills in a way that was unintended...repeatedly...and in defiance when instructed by ZOS that entering a keep by any other means than sieging walls was not intended.

They think they are being clever..fine.
I hope their arrogance is rewarded.

Just a thought here, remember how animation cancelling wasn't an intended mechanic? It pretty much became not only accepted but endorsed by zos, maybe some of these things could, or even should, be seen in the same light, an unintended aspect that if legitimised could actually be an improvement?

@MuddledMuppet Well thats one way to get animator who possibly worked hours on the attack animations just to have them get skipped mad. IMHO I would quit on the spot the moment I heard this happened to my work.

But this is not the same thing its an oversight because they didn't expect anyone to go over the wall.

I am sorry, but this is not an oversight at all!!! Zenimax was well aware DK could jump walls because this was found out during Beta! ZOS also knew their new charge scripting was causing people to charge right through walls and doors! We warned them a moth ago in the PTS!

Well if this was happening to said beta how would developers know about unless people reported it and not abused it without knowing? It is called "Take Flight" one could assume they can jump practically anywhere so they thought it was a feature. I also believe this didn't come to light till now.

It was reported in Beta. And the Charging through walls was reported in the PTS. Zenimax chose to release the content as it is just like they chose to release Nightblades with about 40% of their abilities not working properly...

You do realize this game nearly died in its infancy because ZOS released it with so many reported bugs those playing and paying nicknamed the game ;payed beta testing', right? Sometimes the expression shows up in the forum because Zenimax still releases content with serious known bugs every large patch.

I must admit this is a habit they must break but other companies are guilty of this aswell. Question is what is the point of the PTS? ZOS if your going to just release it as is you might aswell not have a PTS! But theres also a saying "Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should" it applies to this bug its an oversight.

Grao · June 2016

Whatzituyah wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

Whatzituyah wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

Whatzituyah wrote: »

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

Read this again^, until it really sinks in. All these excuses are just BS, get some self control, pls.

Keep posting and editing it man, it aint worth a damn. If we went to court about this and you tried to use that, any judge would laugh you out of the court room. No where in the TOS does it say I have to search the forums every patch about every possible permutation of ability usage. No where in the TOS does it even say I have to know the forums exist. So I could easily argue, and win 100% of the time that I had no way of knowing it was an "exploit."

But please continue to live in your world without nuance or critical thinking. It makes these forums so much more interesting.

What are you getting on about? go to the natch potes thread, the orginal message is there in black and white. I didn't edit ***. I'm editing my statements because what I want to say to you sympathizers the first time around would get me forum banned immediately. So I need to edit MY statements, after a few more sips of coffee.

And I'm not sure you actually know what critical thinking is at this point. You're describing a loop-hole that con-artist's use to get out of being labeled an exploiter as being reason to not fight the good fight here? first of all GG, second you're not thinking critically.

I realize that there are a few legitimate excuses, thanks Cpt. obvious. But clearly, as this thread shows there are those who will use these excuses to simply CON.

EDIT: here I'll even link it to you, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3048274/#Comment_3048274

I'm not entirely sure you understand the definition of critical thinking... I'll just leave this here for you, "Critical Thinking - the objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgment."

See the word objective? This is something I am able to be regarding this, as I am performing an objective analysis to point out why 90+% of the players are probably unaware that this is an exploit. You have already decided that anyone doing this is fully aware of it and is 100% unequivocally a cheater and must be punished. i.e. not objective.

And EVERYONE in game is fully aware they need siege to break down walls in order to enter a keep.
Saying....oh I thought these people was exempt from that mechanic out of feigned ignorance shouldnt be any defence what so ever.
These people are knowingly and intentionally avoiding the 'known acceptable' mechanics of entering an enemy keep.
ie intentionally sticking 2 fingers up at ZOS and doing it their way.
Deliberately employing skills in a way that was unintended...repeatedly...and in defiance when instructed by ZOS that entering a keep by any other means than sieging walls was not intended.

They think they are being clever..fine.
I hope their arrogance is rewarded.

Just a thought here, remember how animation cancelling wasn't an intended mechanic? It pretty much became not only accepted but endorsed by zos, maybe some of these things could, or even should, be seen in the same light, an unintended aspect that if legitimised could actually be an improvement?

@MuddledMuppet Well thats one way to get animator who possibly worked hours on the attack animations just to have them get skipped mad. IMHO I would quit on the spot the moment I heard this happened to my work.

But this is not the same thing its an oversight because they didn't expect anyone to go over the wall.

I am sorry, but this is not an oversight at all!!! Zenimax was well aware DK could jump walls because this was found out during Beta! ZOS also knew their new charge scripting was causing people to charge right through walls and doors! We warned them a moth ago in the PTS!

Well if this was happening to said beta how would developers know about unless people reported it and not abused it without knowing? It is called "Take Flight" one could assume they can jump practically anywhere so they thought it was a feature. I also believe this didn't come to light till now.

It was reported in Beta. And the Charging through walls was reported in the PTS. Zenimax chose to release the content as it is just like they chose to release Nightblades with about 40% of their abilities not working properly...

You do realize this game nearly died in its infancy because ZOS released it with so many reported bugs those playing and paying nicknamed the game ;payed beta testing', right? Sometimes the expression shows up in the forum because Zenimax still releases content with serious known bugs every large patch.

I must admit this is a habit they must break but other companies are guilty of this aswell. Question is what is the point of the PTS? ZOS if your going to just release it as is you might aswell not have a PTS! But theres also a saying "Just because you can do it doesn't mean you should" it applies to this bug its an oversight.

See, that is where we disagree. I believe that the act of releasing a skill knowing said skill is interacting differently than expected with the environment validates the skill's current behavior and I think Zenimax should just assume that stance until they fix the skill. It would then just become another mechanic of Cyrodiil to which people would adapt and that all sides would be free to use. Far less toxicity and silliness that way.

It is a completely different matter to use a hack to alter the numbers communicated by your PC to the servers. That is where I think Zenimax's focus on banning should be (and to be honest I think they are doing just that, ignoring those charging through walls and jumping on towers and going after people casting infinite meteors and all that stuff).

I mean, you can't even expect everyone in the game to know this skills are actually bugged, Zenimax hasn't sent in game notices (which they can do quite easily), they have not sent emails... They haven't even pinned a statement about this on their forums... You have to hunt down their posts...

hamgatan · June 2016

Grao wrote: »

I mean, you can't even expect everyone in the game to know this skills are actually bugged, Zenimax hasn't sent in game notices (which they can do quite easily), they have not sent emails... They haven't even pinned a statement about this on their forums... You have to hunt down their posts...

im sorry.. what part of gap closing through a solid door seems natural and working as intended?

a reasonable person would have the common sense to say 'hmm.. somehow i don't think that was meant to happen'.

you know, kind of like we used to say when we rode vertically up cliffs in Skyrim..?

Yolokin_Swagonborn · June 2016

Damn Exploiters! Back at it again with the mad h4x.

Grao · June 2016

hamgatan wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

I mean, you can't even expect everyone in the game to know this skills are actually bugged, Zenimax hasn't sent in game notices (which they can do quite easily), they have not sent emails... They haven't even pinned a statement about this on their forums... You have to hunt down their posts...

im sorry.. what part of gap closing through a solid door seems natural and working as intended?

a reasonable person would have the common sense to say 'hmm.. somehow i don't think that was meant to happen'.

you know, kind of like we used to say when we rode vertically up cliffs in Skyrim..?

It is a gap closer and it only goes through walls or doors when someone you targeted is trying to get inside a keep. Are you saying people are not supposed to attack if someone is near a door? Because that would be silly.

I just don't think this is such a terrible. dreadful issue. Far more troublesome are those hacking the game so they can alter their stats, etc... People dashing through walls? Just kill them... DKs have been ju,ping on top of the walls for two years now even though it was never supposed to be possible...

LegacyDM · June 2016

Smolt wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

I think it's intended. And it's a fun feature for small scale pvp! I really hope they don't remove it, and make pvp even more lame.

Somebody call a waaaaaambulance...

Lol. You really gonna play that card smolt? You gonna claim ignorance after Zos has stated its not intended? You've been playing this game long enough to know what's a bug and what's not. Your not new or a noob. Any shred of credibility is shot. Go back the sewers and gank lowbies cause that's all you do anyways.

Lol do I know you? And I've never discriminated against max level players, equal opportunity ganker here and I barely touch the sewers anymore... besides the daedra need protection. #daedriclivesmatter

Not sure what your petty personal attacks have do with leaping onto keep walls though. I've never seen any official statement by some declaring it to be an exploit, just forum warriors crying about it. I've never heard of anyone getting warned, banned, or suspended for it either and it's been there since the beginning.

That statement has been quoted in this thread. It's not very long, yet...

"The trouble with internet quotes is that it's very difficult to verify their authenticity". -Abraham Lincoln

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3048274/#Comment_3048274

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

If it's not intended and someone knowingly abuses a non intended mechanic, I'd say that's an exploit. Do you really need it spelled out for you by a ZOS official? Pretty sure I can find language in the tos that speaks to exploiting bugs. ZOS could ban you for this. Just because they haven't doesn't make it acceptable. Ignorance is no excuse especially for someone who has been playing as long as you and who knows the rules.

What other proof do you need? Mr. Lincoln...

is Ms. Folsom not a reliable authoritative source?

Xylphan · June 2016

Comparing to real life? It's a silly comparison. Why? Because it's a game?

No. It's a silly comparison because in real life you have rights. You have courts, and decades of legal precedents.

What the cheaters, hackers, exploiters can't seem to get through their thick skulls is that there is no "gray" area here. There are no rights. There are no trials. Zenimax is the judge, jury and executioner.

In the TOS, it explicitly says that they can terminate your account for any reason they see fit. This isn't a democracy. It is a dictatorship. What they say, goes. If they say what your doing is violating the rules of the game, it honestly doesn't matter what the hell you think. They can, have, and will ban and permaban people for whatever damn reason they want, and there isn't damn thing you can do about it.

So all you cheaters/hackers/exploiters/"gray" area defenders/etc. can try and justify that kind of crap any way you like. Whatever helps you sleep at night. But what you think and your justifications count for jack. If Zenimax thinks you deserve a permaban, you're going to get one.

There's a lot of players. Maybe you'll get missed, maybe you won't. Maybe they'll let it slide, or maybe they bring out the ban hammer. You don't know. I don't know. But every time you knowingly break the TOS, you're taking your account into your own hands. And if that ban hammer falls and your account is deleted, the only person you have to blame is yourself.

Grao · June 2016

LegacyDM wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

I think it's intended. And it's a fun feature for small scale pvp! I really hope they don't remove it, and make pvp even more lame.

Somebody call a waaaaaambulance...

Lol. You really gonna play that card smolt? You gonna claim ignorance after Zos has stated its not intended? You've been playing this game long enough to know what's a bug and what's not. Your not new or a noob. Any shred of credibility is shot. Go back the sewers and gank lowbies cause that's all you do anyways.

Lol do I know you? And I've never discriminated against max level players, equal opportunity ganker here and I barely touch the sewers anymore... besides the daedra need protection. #daedriclivesmatter

Not sure what your petty personal attacks have do with leaping onto keep walls though. I've never seen any official statement by some declaring it to be an exploit, just forum warriors crying about it. I've never heard of anyone getting warned, banned, or suspended for it either and it's been there since the beginning.

That statement has been quoted in this thread. It's not very long, yet...

"The trouble with internet quotes is that it's very difficult to verify their authenticity". -Abraham Lincoln

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3048274/#Comment_3048274

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

If it's not intended and someone knowingly abuses a non intended mechanic, I'd say that's an exploit. Do you really need it spelled out for you by a ZOS official? Pretty sure I can find language in the tos that speaks to exploiting bugs. ZOS could ban you for this. Just because they haven't doesn't make it acceptable. Ignorance is no excuse especially for someone who has been playing as long as you and who knows the rules.

What other proof do you need? Mr. Lincoln...

is Ms. Folsom not a reliable authoritative source?

I am sorry, a game mechanics that has been around since the conception of the game two years ago and that has not so far been fixed can no longer be called 'unintended' and that Zenimax persists on this position while clearly being unable to fix is pathetic. They should just own up the bug until it is fixed. Also, they never made a public statement to the entire player base regarding this matter and until they do everyone is free to ignore it as players don't have the obligation to read the forums and hunt down posts that aren't even fixated at the top of the other threads.

Don't you think if they actually cared about the use of this abilities they'd have made an official statement in the website?

Grao · June 2016

Xylphan wrote: »

Comparing to real life? It's a silly comparison. Why? Because it's a game?

No. It's a silly comparison because in real life you have rights. You have courts, and decades of legal precedents.

What the cheaters, hackers, exploiters can't seem to get through their thick skulls is that there is no "gray" area here. There are no rights. There are no trials. Zenimax is the judge, jury and executioner.

In the TOS, it explicitly says that they can terminate your account for any reason they see fit. This isn't a democracy. It is a dictatorship. What they say, goes. If they say what your doing is violating the rules of the game, it honestly doesn't matter what the hell you think. They can, have, and will ban and permaban people for whatever damn reason they want, and there isn't damn thing you can do about it.

So all you cheaters/hackers/exploiters/"gray" area defenders/etc. can try and justify that kind of crap any way you like. Whatever helps you sleep at night. But what you think and your justifications count for jack. If Zenimax thinks you deserve a permaban, you're going to get one.

There's a lot of players. Maybe you'll get missed, maybe you won't. Maybe they'll let it slide, or maybe they bring out the ban hammer. You don't know. I don't know. But every time you knowingly break the TOS, you're taking your account into your own hands. And if that ban hammer falls and your account is deleted, the only person you have to blame is yourself.

Comparing or equating anything that happens in a game to a sexual assault or murder is not only moronic, idiotic and stupid, it is evidence of either a truly twisted mind or purely infantile and inconsiderate. And that has been done in this ridiculous thread.

Now, on the gaming matter, it is up to Zenimax to decide who to ban, not to you, luckily. The fact they haven't released an official statement on a thread made by them, pinned on the top of the Forum and on the main page of the website shows exactly how much of a problem this terrible exploits of yours are in their view. They have made declarations about Hacking though and that was highlighted several times, that they do not allow the use of third party programs and even macros and that the use of such is a ban worth offense...

Arthg · June 2016

Grao wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

I think it's intended. And it's a fun feature for small scale pvp! I really hope they don't remove it, and make pvp even more lame.

Somebody call a waaaaaambulance...

Lol. You really gonna play that card smolt? You gonna claim ignorance after Zos has stated its not intended? You've been playing this game long enough to know what's a bug and what's not. Your not new or a noob. Any shred of credibility is shot. Go back the sewers and gank lowbies cause that's all you do anyways.

Lol do I know you? And I've never discriminated against max level players, equal opportunity ganker here and I barely touch the sewers anymore... besides the daedra need protection. #daedriclivesmatter

Not sure what your petty personal attacks have do with leaping onto keep walls though. I've never seen any official statement by some declaring it to be an exploit, just forum warriors crying about it. I've never heard of anyone getting warned, banned, or suspended for it either and it's been there since the beginning.

That statement has been quoted in this thread. It's not very long, yet...

"The trouble with internet quotes is that it's very difficult to verify their authenticity". -Abraham Lincoln

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3048274/#Comment_3048274

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

If it's not intended and someone knowingly abuses a non intended mechanic, I'd say that's an exploit. Do you really need it spelled out for you by a ZOS official? Pretty sure I can find language in the tos that speaks to exploiting bugs. ZOS could ban you for this. Just because they haven't doesn't make it acceptable. Ignorance is no excuse especially for someone who has been playing as long as you and who knows the rules.

What other proof do you need? Mr. Lincoln...

is Ms. Folsom not a reliable authoritative source?

I am sorry, a game mechanics that has been around since the conception of the game two years ago and that has not so far been fixed can no longer be called 'unintended' and that Zenimax persists on this position while clearly being unable to fix is pathetic. They should just own up the bug until it is fixed. Also, they never made a public statement to the entire player base regarding this matter and until they do everyone is free to ignore it as players don't have the obligation to read the forums and hunt down posts that aren't even fixated at the top of the other threads.

Don't you think if they actually cared about the use of this abilities they'd have made an official statement in the website?

ZOS do own up the bug in the sense that (if I'm not mistaken) nobody's ever been banned for using the gap-closing exploit.
I used to think it was a privilege of the mighty DK to be able to dragon leap onto the inner keep.
When I learned it was an exploit, I stopped.

I can understand that many players do it without actually knowing they shouldn't.
Appropriate penalties in my view would be: 1) fair warning (reminder of ZOS statement via in-game email or game-master whisper); 2) incremental in-game fines (from 5000 to one gold mat to...).
Only repeating offenders in organized groups should be considered for banning, but I don't think they should even be perma-banned. It's a long-standing broken mechanic, the sentence can't be as harsh as cheaters using a third-party software.

At the end of the day, the issue is really that ZOS just don't police their game and don't communicate.
This in turn leads to players not respecting the game and other players.

Players who care and know it's an exploit shouldn't use gap-closers to enter keeps.
Players who know it's an exploit and still do it - well, you could just show more respect for a game you must like since you're playing it, and stop behaving like spineless, ill-behaved kids. You're just *****ing where you eat.
Ain't you good enough to get some legit AP?
/dishonor emote on your putrefying bodies.

Alurria · June 2016

For two years this has been broken...let it sink in. If it was such a game breaking aspect would ZOS have not taken the servers down to fix it? I know it's not intended you know it's not intended, but thousands of other people who play this game and do not use these forums do not because there is no notice about it in game. Not everyone who plays reads these forums. If a person hasn't been informed of the rules how are they suppose to know they are doing wrong and further more if this was so important to ZOS shouldn't it have been fixed two years later? Two years later....let it sink in.

The vigilantism on these forums is truly disgusting, ZOS has a rule no naming and shaming...we have some guy ignoring that and putting up a website to name and shame. Seems just as bad as people exploiting wall hopping to me. He's going around the rules ZOS has up to. Instead of all this finger pointing why not create a thread asking for a fix to this instead of tearing each other's throats out? It makes no sense. I'm starting to dispise reading anything here. The venom is pretty thick.

Grao · June 2016

Arthg wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

I think it's intended. And it's a fun feature for small scale pvp! I really hope they don't remove it, and make pvp even more lame.

Somebody call a waaaaaambulance...

Lol. You really gonna play that card smolt? You gonna claim ignorance after Zos has stated its not intended? You've been playing this game long enough to know what's a bug and what's not. Your not new or a noob. Any shred of credibility is shot. Go back the sewers and gank lowbies cause that's all you do anyways.

Lol do I know you? And I've never discriminated against max level players, equal opportunity ganker here and I barely touch the sewers anymore... besides the daedra need protection. #daedriclivesmatter

Not sure what your petty personal attacks have do with leaping onto keep walls though. I've never seen any official statement by some declaring it to be an exploit, just forum warriors crying about it. I've never heard of anyone getting warned, banned, or suspended for it either and it's been there since the beginning.

That statement has been quoted in this thread. It's not very long, yet...

"The trouble with internet quotes is that it's very difficult to verify their authenticity". -Abraham Lincoln

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3048274/#Comment_3048274

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

If it's not intended and someone knowingly abuses a non intended mechanic, I'd say that's an exploit. Do you really need it spelled out for you by a ZOS official? Pretty sure I can find language in the tos that speaks to exploiting bugs. ZOS could ban you for this. Just because they haven't doesn't make it acceptable. Ignorance is no excuse especially for someone who has been playing as long as you and who knows the rules.

What other proof do you need? Mr. Lincoln...

is Ms. Folsom not a reliable authoritative source?

I am sorry, a game mechanics that has been around since the conception of the game two years ago and that has not so far been fixed can no longer be called 'unintended' and that Zenimax persists on this position while clearly being unable to fix is pathetic. They should just own up the bug until it is fixed. Also, they never made a public statement to the entire player base regarding this matter and until they do everyone is free to ignore it as players don't have the obligation to read the forums and hunt down posts that aren't even fixated at the top of the other threads.

Don't you think if they actually cared about the use of this abilities they'd have made an official statement in the website?

ZOS do own up the bug in the sense that (if I'm not mistaken) nobody's ever been banned for using the gap-closing exploit.
I used to think it was a privilege of the mighty DK to be able to dragon leap onto the inner keep.
When I learned it was an exploit, I stopped.

I can understand that many players do it without actually knowing they shouldn't.
Appropriate penalties in my view would be: 1) fair warning (reminder of ZOS statement via in-game email or game-master whisper); 2) incremental in-game fines (from 5000 to one gold mat to...).
Only repeating offenders in organized groups should be considered for banning, but I don't think they should even be perma-banned. It's a long-standing broken mechanic, the sentence can't be as harsh as cheaters using a third-party software.

At the end of the day, the issue is really that ZOS just don't police their game and don't communicate.
This in turn leads to players not respecting the game and other players.

Players who care and know it's an exploit shouldn't use gap-closers to enter keeps.
Players who know it's an exploit and still do it - well, you could just show more respect for a game you must like since you're playing it, and stop behaving like spineless, ill-behaved kids. You're just *****ing where you eat.
Ain't you good enough to get some legit AP?
/dishonor emote on your putrefying bodies.

What I mean by them owning up the bug is to simply state that its use is not an exploit. Seriously, the ability is called Take Flight and it has allowed for DKs to jump on top of walls for two years now, they can't fix it! I am absolutely sure they tried and failed, so why are they maintaining this as a 'unintended mechanics'? If they owned up to this bug and stopped trying to hide it, it would just become a normal strategy and Dks all would be free to use it.

The Charging through walls will likely be fixed as this was introduced with the DB expansion, but until it is fixed, wouldn't it be also better to simply allow the use of the skill as it is? Right now you can't try gap closing onto someone running to their keep spamming the door because you might end up 'exploiting' this bug... It is stupid and it only generates resentment and toxicity... Allow players to use the skills as they are in game instead of calling 'exploits'.

That, or at least send out a proper warning for the entire game base. ZOS has the ability to send emails to everyone, in game mail to everyone, make a 'stick' post in the forum where they declare all they consider exploits... They choose not to do it.

danno8 · June 2016

Cuyler wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

Permaban players for something ZOS intentionally put in the game?! Get [snip]ed bud.
& don't you dare try to argue it wasn't intentional, we reported it on PTS and the forums, showing videos clear as day. All they had to do was revert the changes, if anything permaban the ones that let this go live.

WHY DO WE HAVE A PTS SERVER?!
@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror
It must suck coming into work every day knowing how bad of a state this game is in. I don't even feel bad for you either.

Here's an idea.....get reported. Amazing the excuses you see around here. There's no arguing, read it and weep:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

What ZOS decides to do with you ppl afterwards is up to them. Perma-what?!

And this is great that they clarified this. The only problem with perma-banning people who use this is they would have to visit the forums if they were to ever see this kind of information.

I think it is reasonable that one could assume these mechanics were a normal part of gameplay. So report them, but don't expect them to get banned right away. At best expect some warnings/short term bans first.

Alurria · June 2016

danno8 wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

Permaban players for something ZOS intentionally put in the game?! Get [snip]ed bud.
& don't you dare try to argue it wasn't intentional, we reported it on PTS and the forums, showing videos clear as day. All they had to do was revert the changes, if anything permaban the ones that let this go live.

WHY DO WE HAVE A PTS SERVER?!
@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror
It must suck coming into work every day knowing how bad of a state this game is in. I don't even feel bad for you either.

Here's an idea.....get reported. Amazing the excuses you see around here. There's no arguing, read it and weep:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

What ZOS decides to do with you ppl afterwards is up to them. Perma-what?!

And this is great that they clarified this. The only problem with perma-banning people who use this is they would have to visit the forums if they were to ever see this kind of information.

I think it is reasonable that one could assume these mechanics were a normal part of gameplay. So report them, but don't expect them to get banned right away. At best expect some warnings/short term bans first.

.your first paragraph is correct, the second just seems like all you want to do is punish people for not knowing the rules that are not clearly posted? I don't get this? It's acknowledged that its not clearly posted for every single player to see, but it's another thing to punish people when they didn't know they did anything wrong especially if the mechanics of the skill is working and it's been two years this way. Again let it sink in two years...no fix.

Cuyler · June 2016

danno8 wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

Permaban players for something ZOS intentionally put in the game?! Get [snip]ed bud.
& don't you dare try to argue it wasn't intentional, we reported it on PTS and the forums, showing videos clear as day. All they had to do was revert the changes, if anything permaban the ones that let this go live.

WHY DO WE HAVE A PTS SERVER?!
@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror
It must suck coming into work every day knowing how bad of a state this game is in. I don't even feel bad for you either.

Here's an idea.....get reported. Amazing the excuses you see around here. There's no arguing, read it and weep:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

What ZOS decides to do with you ppl afterwards is up to them. Perma-what?!

And this is great that they clarified this. The only problem with perma-banning people who use this is they would have to visit the forums if they were to ever see this kind of information.

I think it is reasonable that one could assume these mechanics were a normal part of gameplay. So report them, but don't expect them to get banned right away. At best expect some warnings/short term bans first.

Did you even read the thread or did you read the first comment and proceed to post? I actually agree with you.

But the point is, we report, Zeni decides the results. I certainly don't appreciate blatant or borderline exploiters that come here and basically bully or discredit legitimate players. That's why you see the truth being laid out in my comment in such a direct manner.

Cuyler · June 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

I think it's intended. And it's a fun feature for small scale pvp! I really hope they don't remove it, and make pvp even more lame.

Somebody call a waaaaaambulance...

Lol. You really gonna play that card smolt? You gonna claim ignorance after Zos has stated its not intended? You've been playing this game long enough to know what's a bug and what's not. Your not new or a noob. Any shred of credibility is shot. Go back the sewers and gank lowbies cause that's all you do anyways.

Lol do I know you? And I've never discriminated against max level players, equal opportunity ganker here and I barely touch the sewers anymore... besides the daedra need protection. #daedriclivesmatter

Not sure what your petty personal attacks have do with leaping onto keep walls though. I've never seen any official statement by some declaring it to be an exploit, just forum warriors crying about it. I've never heard of anyone getting warned, banned, or suspended for it either and it's been there since the beginning.

That statement has been quoted in this thread. It's not very long, yet...

"The trouble with internet quotes is that it's very difficult to verify their authenticity". -Abraham Lincoln

Bull. You know it. I know it. That quote is genuine and readily searchable on this forum. There is no pin head to try and shove a ton of dancing angels on here. It's an exploit and you know it. Quit trying to justify your actions.

Of course people are going to try and justify it because really it's a grey area.

Personally, I see this as a bug and people are going to use it with intent and some without even knowing about it, and others will do it by accident, but I wouldn't expect them to hand out bans or temp bans from it, I would expect them to hand out warnings, and if you get 3 warnings from this type of thing, you know you are doing wrong at that point and playing with malicious intent and then you get handed a temp ban.

@Nifty2g this is all most reasonable players are asking for in the end. It's all I want personally. I'm a logical person and understand there will be circumstances where a new player may not be aware its a bug. I outline roughly the same idea a few posts before yours. In the end, it's an exploitable bug, as stated officially here. Zeni will come up with the best response.

It's plain to see this topic needs addressing because atm I'm not seeing people who "just didn't know". I'm seeing ppl, and I mean a lot of ppl in this thread saying they will continue to exploit this bug deliberately, literally after being spoon fed the official statement, IT IS A BUG.

Players get attached to builds, mechanics, skills, playstyles and when these change, players must adapt with them. All I'm seeing here is a lot of long time players stuck in their ways that want to keep jumping on keeps and resource towers, because they fancy that. I'm simply struck in awe at the names and amount of ppl, who have gone on record here, to state they will continue to use this well knowing ZOS's intent.

However their personal opinion, or attachment to this mechanic does not preclude ZOS from enforcing their official stance on the matter. IMO ZOS has a very large and widespread problem of lack of accountability, but so do the players. We need ZOS to eliminate the grey areas on this and those players who choose to ignore those lines. If I've accomplished anything here it's to highlight to @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_BrianWheeler and @Wrobel just how many players are eager to continue exploiting bugs such as these.

GRYM.LOCKE · June 2016

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

We've removed the video from the opening post of this discussion due to naming and shaming. We are aware of this bug. If you wish to report someone for exploiting you should use the report function in-game.

Can i ask you a direct question DaryaK

How is it "naming" and "shaming" if its truthful ?

the problem is when it is NOT truthful..........

you mentioned using the in game tool to report some one... that would be the same reporting tool for BUGS that NevVVVvvVVVVvvVVvvvvvvveeeEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEErRRRRRRRR4 get fixed ?>

Erock25 · June 2016

Gallifreyy wrote: »

Look ma i'm famous. i finally made it!

@Gallifreyy Hey man, were you a Bear Shaman in Age of Conan? I recognize the name from somewhere.

Pomaikai · June 2016

Grao wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

I think it's intended. And it's a fun feature for small scale pvp! I really hope they don't remove it, and make pvp even more lame.

Somebody call a waaaaaambulance...

Lol. You really gonna play that card smolt? You gonna claim ignorance after Zos has stated its not intended? You've been playing this game long enough to know what's a bug and what's not. Your not new or a noob. Any shred of credibility is shot. Go back the sewers and gank lowbies cause that's all you do anyways.

Lol do I know you? And I've never discriminated against max level players, equal opportunity ganker here and I barely touch the sewers anymore... besides the daedra need protection. #daedriclivesmatter

Not sure what your petty personal attacks have do with leaping onto keep walls though. I've never seen any official statement by some declaring it to be an exploit, just forum warriors crying about it. I've never heard of anyone getting warned, banned, or suspended for it either and it's been there since the beginning.

That statement has been quoted in this thread. It's not very long, yet...

"The trouble with internet quotes is that it's very difficult to verify their authenticity". -Abraham Lincoln

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3048274/#Comment_3048274

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

If it's not intended and someone knowingly abuses a non intended mechanic, I'd say that's an exploit. Do you really need it spelled out for you by a ZOS official? Pretty sure I can find language in the tos that speaks to exploiting bugs. ZOS could ban you for this. Just because they haven't doesn't make it acceptable. Ignorance is no excuse especially for someone who has been playing as long as you and who knows the rules.

What other proof do you need? Mr. Lincoln...

is Ms. Folsom not a reliable authoritative source?

I am sorry, a game mechanics that has been around since the conception of the game two years ago and that has not so far been fixed can no longer be called 'unintended' and that Zenimax persists on this position while clearly being unable to fix is pathetic. They should just own up the bug until it is fixed. Also, they never made a public statement to the entire player base regarding this matter and until they do everyone is free to ignore it as players don't have the obligation to read the forums and hunt down posts that aren't even fixated at the top of the other threads.

Don't you think if they actually cared about the use of this abilities they'd have made an official statement in the website?

They persist with this position because it's THEIR DAMNED GAME and they can! You're violating the rules, a stated Dev position, and the TOS. You're cheating, pure and simple. There are ZERO grey areas here. It's is absolutely black & white, and you're DEEP in the black.

Smolt · June 2016

LegacyDM wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

I think it's intended. And it's a fun feature for small scale pvp! I really hope they don't remove it, and make pvp even more lame.

Somebody call a waaaaaambulance...

Lol. You really gonna play that card smolt? You gonna claim ignorance after Zos has stated its not intended? You've been playing this game long enough to know what's a bug and what's not. Your not new or a noob. Any shred of credibility is shot. Go back the sewers and gank lowbies cause that's all you do anyways.

Lol do I know you? And I've never discriminated against max level players, equal opportunity ganker here and I barely touch the sewers anymore... besides the daedra need protection. #daedriclivesmatter

Not sure what your petty personal attacks have do with leaping onto keep walls though. I've never seen any official statement by some declaring it to be an exploit, just forum warriors crying about it. I've never heard of anyone getting warned, banned, or suspended for it either and it's been there since the beginning.

That statement has been quoted in this thread. It's not very long, yet...

"The trouble with internet quotes is that it's very difficult to verify their authenticity". -Abraham Lincoln

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3048274/#Comment_3048274

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

If it's not intended and someone knowingly abuses a non intended mechanic, I'd say that's an exploit. Do you really need it spelled out for you by a ZOS official? Pretty sure I can find language in the tos that speaks to exploiting bugs. ZOS could ban you for this. Just because they haven't doesn't make it acceptable. Ignorance is no excuse especially for someone who has been playing as long as you and who knows the rules.

What other proof do you need? Mr. Lincoln...

is Ms. Folsom not a reliable authoritative source?

U mad bro?

"Unintended". Gee that's the same word used to describe animation cancelling. Good work digging up that quote. The only people who called it an exploit are the busybody kill-joys. Seriously, how about they leave it in the game and better yet add siege ladders and and towers to make sieging more interesting. And please stop referencing our long history together, I don't know you and your starting to creep me out.

Let's make Cyrodiil great again.

Pomaikai · June 2016

Animation Cancelling has officially been sanctioned by the Dev's, unlike gap closing to bypass game mechanics like Keep walls, which has officially been listed as not intended and so per the TOS, should not be done.

Wreuntzylla · June 2016

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

We've removed the video from the opening post of this discussion due to naming and shaming. We are aware of this bug. If you wish to report someone for exploiting you should use the report function in-game.

Yes, please do not name and shame, you might hurt the exploiter's feelings or they may be shunned by honest players.

Shazgob · June 2016

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

We've removed the video from the opening post of this discussion due to naming and shaming. We are aware of this bug. If you wish to report someone for exploiting you should use the report function in-game.

People don't report things because it takes someone like Zazeer to basically show how you guys sweep everything under the rug. If you want naming and shaming to stop among the community, then I would advise actually, you know, DOING something about it. Just a thought. Pretending like something isn't happening doesn't make it go away. Also, I love how the top Veteran Maelstrom Arena leaderboards are held by KNOWN exploiters and they still get to keep those spots. I'm sure your players who are striving to earn that spot are thrilled at a score that is unbeatable without using Cheat Engine.

Want to stop the forum posts naming and shaming? Do something constructive about the problem.

Edited for grammar, spelling, etc.

Gallifreyy · June 2016

Erock25 wrote: »

Gallifreyy wrote: »

Look ma i'm famous. i finally made it!

@Gallifreyy Hey man, were you a Bear Shaman in Age of Conan? I recognize the name from somewhere.

nah your probably thinking of someone that uses a similar name to me. never played Age of Conan

Grao · June 2016

Pomaikai wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Smolt wrote: »

I think it's intended. And it's a fun feature for small scale pvp! I really hope they don't remove it, and make pvp even more lame.

Somebody call a waaaaaambulance...

Lol. You really gonna play that card smolt? You gonna claim ignorance after Zos has stated its not intended? You've been playing this game long enough to know what's a bug and what's not. Your not new or a noob. Any shred of credibility is shot. Go back the sewers and gank lowbies cause that's all you do anyways.

Lol do I know you? And I've never discriminated against max level players, equal opportunity ganker here and I barely touch the sewers anymore... besides the daedra need protection. #daedriclivesmatter

Not sure what your petty personal attacks have do with leaping onto keep walls though. I've never seen any official statement by some declaring it to be an exploit, just forum warriors crying about it. I've never heard of anyone getting warned, banned, or suspended for it either and it's been there since the beginning.

That statement has been quoted in this thread. It's not very long, yet...

"The trouble with internet quotes is that it's very difficult to verify their authenticity". -Abraham Lincoln

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3048274/#Comment_3048274

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

If it's not intended and someone knowingly abuses a non intended mechanic, I'd say that's an exploit. Do you really need it spelled out for you by a ZOS official? Pretty sure I can find language in the tos that speaks to exploiting bugs. ZOS could ban you for this. Just because they haven't doesn't make it acceptable. Ignorance is no excuse especially for someone who has been playing as long as you and who knows the rules.

What other proof do you need? Mr. Lincoln...

is Ms. Folsom not a reliable authoritative source?

I am sorry, a game mechanics that has been around since the conception of the game two years ago and that has not so far been fixed can no longer be called 'unintended' and that Zenimax persists on this position while clearly being unable to fix is pathetic. They should just own up the bug until it is fixed. Also, they never made a public statement to the entire player base regarding this matter and until they do everyone is free to ignore it as players don't have the obligation to read the forums and hunt down posts that aren't even fixated at the top of the other threads.

Don't you think if they actually cared about the use of this abilities they'd have made an official statement in the website?

They persist with this position because it's THEIR DAMNED GAME and they can! You're violating the rules, a stated Dev position, and the TOS. You're cheating, pure and simple. There are ZERO grey areas here. It's is absolutely black & white, and you're DEEP in the black.

Dear @Pomaikai, you are making so many silly assumptions in your statement I actually debated if it was even worthy responding. If you read my signature you will see I only recently started leveling a DK, also I am not a PvPer. I only ever go PvP with a guild as part off a keep taking team with a whole lot of Siege engines.

Doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on this matter and it doesn't preclude me from thinking you are ridiculous.

There are huge grey areas and those areas are left grey by Zenimax intentionally. There is a reason they haven't released an official statement pinned to the top of the forum, send in game warnings to the entire player base, etc. It is because they don't care if people are using Take Flight to land on top of a wall, it is because they don't care some people end up charging through walls. The only reason they respond in the forums to this complains is to silence you guys.

Their worry is about fixing the bug, because that is what will keep people from jumping on top of walls and going through doors. I doubt they will be able to fix Take Flight, its been broken since before the game was released two years ago, but the bugs with gap closers I am pretty sure they will figure out soon enough and then people won't be able to use.

Grao · June 2016

Pomaikai wrote: »

Animation Cancelling has officially been sanctioned by the Dev's, unlike gap closing to bypass game mechanics like Keep walls, which has officially been listed as not intended and so per the TOS, should not be done.

Where exactly is that list of 'exploits' you speak of, written and updated by Zenimax and in plain sight for the entire community? I will tell you where it is... Nowhere.