Exploiters at it Again!

OGLezard · June 2016

esocheaters.com a new site where you can post videos of cheaters.

Pomaikai · June 2016

OGLezard wrote: »

esocheaters.com a new site where you can post videos of cheaters.

Your site is an unviewable mess on a mobile browser. Any chance of you coding a mobile friendly version?

Kas · June 2016

Why don't people see the difference? Users of CE certainly new they were cheating. I don't get on top of walls, since i mostly play my sorc in outside Cyrodiil, but just imagine this:

You're a NB who never reads these forums (good idea, probably) - even better, you just started playing and never knew times where you couldn't get up walls. You have a skill that teleports you to an enemy. You see an enemy on top of the keep wall - maybe you even try to lure him there. How should you know you're not allowed to teleport to him? This "gap closer exploit" is really something that should be fixed on ZOS' side.

I even thought so about old NBs bugging themselves through door but that was obviously a bug. Right now, especially with teleport strike and leap / wolf-leap, it's not even obvious that this shouldn't be allowed if you didin't read forums and saw ZOS refer to it as an exploit.

Beside, i just killed myself in IC charging up to a spawn pos. Not because I wanted to but beause I though I was on the other bar and wanted to use a range skill allocated to the same number as the charge on the other bar. calling this "exploit" and "cheater" is just crazy.

OGLezard wrote: »

esocheaters.com a new site where you can post videos of cheaters.

lmao that one video. i know there are bad players, but that is something else. SPAMMING caltrops from a tower and then getting rekt instantly because 0 stamina xDDDDD the other vid is legit, though. no idea if intentional exploit or bug but that shouldn't happen

Whatzituyah · June 2016

I just don't know what to think anymore. Should there be a warning everywhere someone goes where someone can do something because they can? When something seems not right to do in a game play sense do you do it? I think people are inviting trouble here to the point a whole zerg would possibly using dragon knights for take flight.

Recremen · June 2016

Whatzituyah wrote: »

I just don't know what to think anymore. Should there be a warning everywhere someone goes where someone can do something because they can? When something seems not right to do in a game play sense do you do it? I think people are inviting trouble here to the point a whole zerg would possibly using dragon knights for take flight.

Except for the people using it nothing seems wrong, at least as far as DK leap goes. It is an aerial ability than can be used to leap over gaps so long as the target is in range and isn't too high above you on the z axis. Thus, you can go from the towers on the walls of the outer keep to the oil ledges on the inner keep. It works exactly the same as when you use it fly between rocks out in the field, the the area around Chalman mine. Why would people not expect it to work the same inside a keep?

Thornen · June 2016

Can't ban people for using game mechanics, the blame for this lies 100% with Zos. They have been aware of it since pts so expect a fix sometime in 2017 if were lucky.

Sythen88411 · June 2016

But but my chains make me feel like spider man....

Whatzituyah · June 2016

Recremen wrote: »

Whatzituyah wrote: »

I just don't know what to think anymore. Should there be a warning everywhere someone goes where someone can do something because they can? When something seems not right to do in a game play sense do you do it? I think people are inviting trouble here to the point a whole zerg would possibly using dragon knights for take flight.

Except for the people using it nothing seems wrong, at least as far as DK leap goes. It is an aerial ability than can be used to leap over gaps so long as the target is in range and isn't too high above you on the z axis. Thus, you can go from the towers on the walls of the outer keep to the oil ledges on the inner keep. It works exactly the same as when you use it fly between rocks out in the field, the the area around Chalman mine. Why would people not expect it to work the same inside a keep?

@Recremen the whole point of pvp in Cyrodiil is seige engine warfare. Now does a person leaping into a keep sound like a seige engine? Ile give you a hint it doesn't! Also no its not that seige engine used to get over walls its not that either

mistakes were almost made.

The-Baconator · June 2016

People are really getting that bent out of shape over people gap-closing into keeps? I have more reason to be agitated than anyone in this thread, maybe even in the game, at this behavior as I've been kept from being crowned or deposed by people exploiting this to get into keeps innumerable times--I have lost probably close to a hundred of hours of emperor gameplay to the bug. There is nothing more aggravating than pushing all night to crown yourself or a guildie and then right as your about to storm the final keep's inner another emp keep flips after being flagged by one siege (a ram on the inner front door) for a grand total of maybe ten seconds. I agree that people doing stuff like this should be reprimanded in someone way, but handing bans out at right now for people gap-closing into resource towers is absurd. What about if this resource happened to be Ales mine instead and people were jumping in on mounts rather than gap-closing in? Should they be banned for abusing such a high mount speed and a skill which provided them the means to push it even higher? What if the player was a complete and utter noob that simply wondered if he could actually leap\ambush on someone on the side of walls? What if on player is pulled up to the tower by chains\leash; are they both exploiting, is only the skill user exploiting, or is the person who was pulled up the one who is somehow exploiting?

Now is just not the time to jump straight to bans and label people "exploiters" for using gap-closers for doing something as simple as gap-closing into a resource tower, I personally don't think this should ever be the case. I personally find the idea of allowing certain specs get up on keep walls mid siege to make keep fights a bit more dynamic and appealing, and I find resource fights so completely inconsequential that I could care less if you gapclose the mage guard to get into tower pre flag-flip--it really doesn't do ANYTHING. Now people using alts or even npcs to get into undefended keeps to steal scrolls\flip keeps with literally zero chance for a response? I think most would agree at that point your having a negative impact on the play and experience of others and you could reasonably be punished for it, but if ZOS really wants to do this they not to make it perfectly clear to EVERYONE what is and isn't allowed and make sure that players are aware of the consequences. We don't need to change the rules mid game with serious ramifications without making sure every new and old player will be on the same page.

Edit: Just saw the video of "exploiting" and its even worse than I anticipated, you literally tell everyone in area to let them gapclose in because your recording. I might even say you intentionally assisted someone that was exploited and per your own recommendation should be banned

hamgatan · June 2016

Kas wrote: »

lmao that one video. i know there are bad players, but that is something else. SPAMMING caltrops from a tower and then getting rekt instantly because 0 stamina xDDDDD the other vid is legit, though. no idea if intentional exploit or bug but that shouldn't happen

you realise the logic in why i was doing that yes? i was trying to force the group back up onto the rocks so they would continue their exploiting for my recording. i wasn't too perturbed about dying in the process..

Whatzituyah · June 2016

Maybe there should be an enforced invisible wall to keep people from jumping in the keep/tower but of course let any projectiles that is not a player go through and let players jump out of the keeps/towers. End result would be without destroying the walls or doors you can't get into the keep.

MuddledMuppet · June 2016

Rune_Relic wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

Read this again^, until it really sinks in. All these excuses are just BS, get some self control, pls.

Keep posting and editing it man, it aint worth a damn. If we went to court about this and you tried to use that, any judge would laugh you out of the court room. No where in the TOS does it say I have to search the forums every patch about every possible permutation of ability usage. No where in the TOS does it even say I have to know the forums exist. So I could easily argue, and win 100% of the time that I had no way of knowing it was an "exploit."

But please continue to live in your world without nuance or critical thinking. It makes these forums so much more interesting.

What are you getting on about? go to the natch potes thread, the orginal message is there in black and white. I didn't edit ***. I'm editing my statements because what I want to say to you sympathizers the first time around would get me forum banned immediately. So I need to edit MY statements, after a few more sips of coffee.

And I'm not sure you actually know what critical thinking is at this point. You're describing a loop-hole that con-artist's use to get out of being labeled an exploiter as being reason to not fight the good fight here? first of all GG, second you're not thinking critically.

I realize that there are a few legitimate excuses, thanks Cpt. obvious. But clearly, as this thread shows there are those who will use these excuses to simply CON.

EDIT: here I'll even link it to you, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3048274/#Comment_3048274

I'm not entirely sure you understand the definition of critical thinking... I'll just leave this here for you, "Critical Thinking - the objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgment."

See the word objective? This is something I am able to be regarding this, as I am performing an objective analysis to point out why 90+% of the players are probably unaware that this is an exploit. You have already decided that anyone doing this is fully aware of it and is 100% unequivocally a cheater and must be punished. i.e. not objective.

And EVERYONE in game is fully aware they need siege to break down walls in order to enter a keep.
Saying....oh I thought these people was exempt from that mechanic out of feigned ignorance shouldnt be any defence what so ever.
These people are knowingly and intentionally avoiding the 'known acceptable' mechanics of entering an enemy keep.
ie intentionally sticking 2 fingers up at ZOS and doing it their way.
Deliberately employing skills in a way that was unintended...repeatedly...and in defiance when instructed by ZOS that entering a keep by any other means than sieging walls was not intended.

They think they are being clever..fine.
I hope their arrogance is rewarded.

Just a thought here, remember how animation cancelling wasn't an intended mechanic? It pretty much became not only accepted but endorsed by zos, maybe some of these things could, or even should, be seen in the same light, an unintended aspect that if legitimised could actually be an improvement?

SienneYviete · June 2016

This thread is absolutely hilarious. Expecting ZOS to hand out bans for a bug they have kept in the game since release? GTFO social justice warriors...... ZOS fix your damn game.

Whatzituyah · June 2016

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

Read this again^, until it really sinks in. All these excuses are just BS, get some self control, pls.

Keep posting and editing it man, it aint worth a damn. If we went to court about this and you tried to use that, any judge would laugh you out of the court room. No where in the TOS does it say I have to search the forums every patch about every possible permutation of ability usage. No where in the TOS does it even say I have to know the forums exist. So I could easily argue, and win 100% of the time that I had no way of knowing it was an "exploit."

But please continue to live in your world without nuance or critical thinking. It makes these forums so much more interesting.

What are you getting on about? go to the natch potes thread, the orginal message is there in black and white. I didn't edit ***. I'm editing my statements because what I want to say to you sympathizers the first time around would get me forum banned immediately. So I need to edit MY statements, after a few more sips of coffee.

And I'm not sure you actually know what critical thinking is at this point. You're describing a loop-hole that con-artist's use to get out of being labeled an exploiter as being reason to not fight the good fight here? first of all GG, second you're not thinking critically.

I realize that there are a few legitimate excuses, thanks Cpt. obvious. But clearly, as this thread shows there are those who will use these excuses to simply CON.

EDIT: here I'll even link it to you, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3048274/#Comment_3048274

I'm not entirely sure you understand the definition of critical thinking... I'll just leave this here for you, "Critical Thinking - the objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgment."

See the word objective? This is something I am able to be regarding this, as I am performing an objective analysis to point out why 90+% of the players are probably unaware that this is an exploit. You have already decided that anyone doing this is fully aware of it and is 100% unequivocally a cheater and must be punished. i.e. not objective.

And EVERYONE in game is fully aware they need siege to break down walls in order to enter a keep.
Saying....oh I thought these people was exempt from that mechanic out of feigned ignorance shouldnt be any defence what so ever.
These people are knowingly and intentionally avoiding the 'known acceptable' mechanics of entering an enemy keep.
ie intentionally sticking 2 fingers up at ZOS and doing it their way.
Deliberately employing skills in a way that was unintended...repeatedly...and in defiance when instructed by ZOS that entering a keep by any other means than sieging walls was not intended.

They think they are being clever..fine.
I hope their arrogance is rewarded.

Just a thought here, remember how animation cancelling wasn't an intended mechanic? It pretty much became not only accepted but endorsed by zos, maybe some of these things could, or even should, be seen in the same light, an unintended aspect that if legitimised could actually be an improvement?

@MuddledMuppet Well thats one way to get animator who possibly worked hours on the attack animations just to have them get skipped mad. IMHO I would quit on the spot the moment I heard this happened to my work.

But this is not the same thing its an oversight because they didn't expect anyone to go over the wall.

dem0n1k · June 2016

I wish that the mechanic was left how it was so NBs could teleport strike up to keep walls & tower guards... it was fun & a change from the boring ol' knock the wall down then run inside & repeat. I really like the improved gap closers that give you a bit of air time.. it's fun.. you know... how games can be fun?

Personally, I didn't think it was that big a deal.. just required some change of tactics. If NBs or DKs jumped up to a wall & were subsequently killed by the defenders before they could get off the wall... then they can't be rezzed by their team mates; meaning they have to ride all the way back

Unless they have a FC of course

Rohamad_Ali · June 2016

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MuddledMuppet · June 2016

Whatzituyah wrote: »

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

Read this again^, until it really sinks in. All these excuses are just BS, get some self control, pls.

Keep posting and editing it man, it aint worth a damn. If we went to court about this and you tried to use that, any judge would laugh you out of the court room. No where in the TOS does it say I have to search the forums every patch about every possible permutation of ability usage. No where in the TOS does it even say I have to know the forums exist. So I could easily argue, and win 100% of the time that I had no way of knowing it was an "exploit."

But please continue to live in your world without nuance or critical thinking. It makes these forums so much more interesting.

What are you getting on about? go to the natch potes thread, the orginal message is there in black and white. I didn't edit ***. I'm editing my statements because what I want to say to you sympathizers the first time around would get me forum banned immediately. So I need to edit MY statements, after a few more sips of coffee.

And I'm not sure you actually know what critical thinking is at this point. You're describing a loop-hole that con-artist's use to get out of being labeled an exploiter as being reason to not fight the good fight here? first of all GG, second you're not thinking critically.

I realize that there are a few legitimate excuses, thanks Cpt. obvious. But clearly, as this thread shows there are those who will use these excuses to simply CON.

EDIT: here I'll even link it to you, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3048274/#Comment_3048274

I'm not entirely sure you understand the definition of critical thinking... I'll just leave this here for you, "Critical Thinking - the objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgment."

See the word objective? This is something I am able to be regarding this, as I am performing an objective analysis to point out why 90+% of the players are probably unaware that this is an exploit. You have already decided that anyone doing this is fully aware of it and is 100% unequivocally a cheater and must be punished. i.e. not objective.

And EVERYONE in game is fully aware they need siege to break down walls in order to enter a keep.
Saying....oh I thought these people was exempt from that mechanic out of feigned ignorance shouldnt be any defence what so ever.
These people are knowingly and intentionally avoiding the 'known acceptable' mechanics of entering an enemy keep.
ie intentionally sticking 2 fingers up at ZOS and doing it their way.
Deliberately employing skills in a way that was unintended...repeatedly...and in defiance when instructed by ZOS that entering a keep by any other means than sieging walls was not intended.

They think they are being clever..fine.
I hope their arrogance is rewarded.

Just a thought here, remember how animation cancelling wasn't an intended mechanic? It pretty much became not only accepted but endorsed by zos, maybe some of these things could, or even should, be seen in the same light, an unintended aspect that if legitimised could actually be an improvement?

@MuddledMuppet Well thats one way to get animator who possibly worked hours on the attack animations just to have them get skipped mad. IMHO I would quit on the spot the moment I heard this happened to my work.

But this is not the same thing its an oversight because they didn't expect anyone to go over the wall.

Lol I get that about the animators

But my point stands, in just the same way they didn't expect animations to be cancelled causing more DPS. They still embraced it. They didn't expect people to find a new way into keeps, why not embrace that too, and let it become a new form of attack, provoking a new form of counter in return?

Caltrops on keep walls maybe, stealthed nightblades standing ready to repel boarders, runes that send attackers airborne...

It might actually be a good thing if embraced. Not 'will', but 'might'.

Whatzituyah · June 2016

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Why do I feel like that would be a great comic?

daemonios · June 2016

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

You know something's not quite right when "social justice" is waved about as an insult...

Rohamad_Ali · June 2016

Whatzituyah wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

Why do I feel like that would be a great comic?

And a great team ring . Social justice powers activate !

SwaminoNowlino · June 2016

daemonios wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

You know something's not quite right when "social justice" is waved about as an insult...

Guffaw

SienneYviete · June 2016

daemonios wrote: »

Roehamad_Ali wrote: »

You know something's not quite right when "social justice" is waved about as an insult...

You really know something is wrong when people compare a video game to real life scenarios.

daemonios · June 2016

FWIW:

Ars Technica wrote:

In a move intended to help stem a wave of cheating in the online portions of The Division, Ubisoft says it is rescinding its policy of issuing 14-day suspensions when a player is first detected using a cheat engine. Now, those players will be permanently banned when found.

The new policy comes after The Division team said it became clear to them that the 14-day suspension policy currently in place "has not been dissuasive enough... judging from your feedback, and based on what we witnessed when cheaters came back to the game." That 14-day suspension policy was itself an increase from the previous three-day suspensions that were given out for first offenses until late April.

yodased · June 2016

Pomaikai wrote: »

OGLezard wrote: »

esocheaters.com a new site where you can post videos of cheaters.

Your site is an unviewable mess on a mobile browser. Any chance of you coding a mobile friendly version?

something i literally took a lunch break to throw together, I'll have something decent up very soon, just wanted a mvp

Rohamad_Ali · June 2016

Look .You all have taken this thread about 4 pages too far . You can't save the world overnight with opinions . Leave some work for ZOS eh .

Recremen · June 2016

Whatzituyah wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Whatzituyah wrote: »

I just don't know what to think anymore. Should there be a warning everywhere someone goes where someone can do something because they can? When something seems not right to do in a game play sense do you do it? I think people are inviting trouble here to the point a whole zerg would possibly using dragon knights for take flight.

Except for the people using it nothing seems wrong, at least as far as DK leap goes. It is an aerial ability than can be used to leap over gaps so long as the target is in range and isn't too high above you on the z axis. Thus, you can go from the towers on the walls of the outer keep to the oil ledges on the inner keep. It works exactly the same as when you use it fly between rocks out in the field, the the area around Chalman mine. Why would people not expect it to work the same inside a keep?

@Recremen the whole point of pvp in Cyrodiil is seige engine warfare. Now does a person leaping into a keep sound like a seige engine? Ile give you a hint it doesn't! Also no its not that seige engine used to get over walls its not that either mistakes were almost made.

@Whatzituyah

That is certainly not the whole point of Cyrodiil, but it is definitely a major part. For the record, I'm not advocating that people be able to nab scrolls or flip flags without breaching the wall first. There should be some kind of hard lock that prevents that from happening. But if someone wants to go shooting Venom Arrow or Radiant Destruction at me, they should expect all valid forms of return fire, and that includes from my Take Flight ability (provided it is behaving correctly and isn't ignoring the height rules).

Dredlord · June 2016

_Chaos wrote: »

Permaban players for something ZOS intentionally put in the game?! Get [snip]ed bud.
& don't you dare try to argue it wasn't intentional, we reported it on PTS and the forums, showing videos clear as day. All they had to do was revert the changes, if anything permaban the ones that let this go live.

Yeah totally right? Just like if a bank intentionally left the vault open. Then it becomes completely legal to steal from the bank as long as you posted on the banks forum that they left the vault open.

Oh wait, no your logic is as bad as ZOS's code.

Ps. "All they had to do was close the vault!"

Grao · June 2016

Whatzituyah wrote: »

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

Read this again^, until it really sinks in. All these excuses are just BS, get some self control, pls.

Keep posting and editing it man, it aint worth a damn. If we went to court about this and you tried to use that, any judge would laugh you out of the court room. No where in the TOS does it say I have to search the forums every patch about every possible permutation of ability usage. No where in the TOS does it even say I have to know the forums exist. So I could easily argue, and win 100% of the time that I had no way of knowing it was an "exploit."

But please continue to live in your world without nuance or critical thinking. It makes these forums so much more interesting.

What are you getting on about? go to the natch potes thread, the orginal message is there in black and white. I didn't edit ***. I'm editing my statements because what I want to say to you sympathizers the first time around would get me forum banned immediately. So I need to edit MY statements, after a few more sips of coffee.

And I'm not sure you actually know what critical thinking is at this point. You're describing a loop-hole that con-artist's use to get out of being labeled an exploiter as being reason to not fight the good fight here? first of all GG, second you're not thinking critically.

I realize that there are a few legitimate excuses, thanks Cpt. obvious. But clearly, as this thread shows there are those who will use these excuses to simply CON.

EDIT: here I'll even link it to you, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3048274/#Comment_3048274

I'm not entirely sure you understand the definition of critical thinking... I'll just leave this here for you, "Critical Thinking - the objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgment."

See the word objective? This is something I am able to be regarding this, as I am performing an objective analysis to point out why 90+% of the players are probably unaware that this is an exploit. You have already decided that anyone doing this is fully aware of it and is 100% unequivocally a cheater and must be punished. i.e. not objective.

And EVERYONE in game is fully aware they need siege to break down walls in order to enter a keep.
Saying....oh I thought these people was exempt from that mechanic out of feigned ignorance shouldnt be any defence what so ever.
These people are knowingly and intentionally avoiding the 'known acceptable' mechanics of entering an enemy keep.
ie intentionally sticking 2 fingers up at ZOS and doing it their way.
Deliberately employing skills in a way that was unintended...repeatedly...and in defiance when instructed by ZOS that entering a keep by any other means than sieging walls was not intended.

They think they are being clever..fine.
I hope their arrogance is rewarded.

Just a thought here, remember how animation cancelling wasn't an intended mechanic? It pretty much became not only accepted but endorsed by zos, maybe some of these things could, or even should, be seen in the same light, an unintended aspect that if legitimised could actually be an improvement?

@MuddledMuppet Well thats one way to get animator who possibly worked hours on the attack animations just to have them get skipped mad. IMHO I would quit on the spot the moment I heard this happened to my work.

But this is not the same thing its an oversight because they didn't expect anyone to go over the wall.

I am sorry, but this is not an oversight at all!!! Zenimax was well aware DK could jump walls because this was found out during Beta! ZOS also knew their new charge scripting was causing people to charge right through walls and doors! We warned them a moth ago in the PTS!

Also, if you understood sieging at all you'd know that most times sieges are broken by using ladders and grappling hooks. Siege engines are awesome, but extremely cumbersome to move, hard to operate and actually quite fragile and dangerous not only to the enemy, but to the ones using it as well. Considering that, DKs using chains to get on top of walls actually makes a lot of sense. ^^

Whatzituyah · June 2016

Grao wrote: »

Whatzituyah wrote: »

MuddledMuppet wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

Read this again^, until it really sinks in. All these excuses are just BS, get some self control, pls.

Keep posting and editing it man, it aint worth a damn. If we went to court about this and you tried to use that, any judge would laugh you out of the court room. No where in the TOS does it say I have to search the forums every patch about every possible permutation of ability usage. No where in the TOS does it even say I have to know the forums exist. So I could easily argue, and win 100% of the time that I had no way of knowing it was an "exploit."

But please continue to live in your world without nuance or critical thinking. It makes these forums so much more interesting.

What are you getting on about? go to the natch potes thread, the orginal message is there in black and white. I didn't edit ***. I'm editing my statements because what I want to say to you sympathizers the first time around would get me forum banned immediately. So I need to edit MY statements, after a few more sips of coffee.

And I'm not sure you actually know what critical thinking is at this point. You're describing a loop-hole that con-artist's use to get out of being labeled an exploiter as being reason to not fight the good fight here? first of all GG, second you're not thinking critically.

I realize that there are a few legitimate excuses, thanks Cpt. obvious. But clearly, as this thread shows there are those who will use these excuses to simply CON.

EDIT: here I'll even link it to you, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3048274/#Comment_3048274

I'm not entirely sure you understand the definition of critical thinking... I'll just leave this here for you, "Critical Thinking - the objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgment."

See the word objective? This is something I am able to be regarding this, as I am performing an objective analysis to point out why 90+% of the players are probably unaware that this is an exploit. You have already decided that anyone doing this is fully aware of it and is 100% unequivocally a cheater and must be punished. i.e. not objective.

And EVERYONE in game is fully aware they need siege to break down walls in order to enter a keep.
Saying....oh I thought these people was exempt from that mechanic out of feigned ignorance shouldnt be any defence what so ever.
These people are knowingly and intentionally avoiding the 'known acceptable' mechanics of entering an enemy keep.
ie intentionally sticking 2 fingers up at ZOS and doing it their way.
Deliberately employing skills in a way that was unintended...repeatedly...and in defiance when instructed by ZOS that entering a keep by any other means than sieging walls was not intended.

They think they are being clever..fine.
I hope their arrogance is rewarded.

Just a thought here, remember how animation cancelling wasn't an intended mechanic? It pretty much became not only accepted but endorsed by zos, maybe some of these things could, or even should, be seen in the same light, an unintended aspect that if legitimised could actually be an improvement?

@MuddledMuppet Well thats one way to get animator who possibly worked hours on the attack animations just to have them get skipped mad. IMHO I would quit on the spot the moment I heard this happened to my work.

But this is not the same thing its an oversight because they didn't expect anyone to go over the wall.

I am sorry, but this is not an oversight at all!!! Zenimax was well aware DK could jump walls because this was found out during Beta! ZOS also knew their new charge scripting was causing people to charge right through walls and doors! We warned them a moth ago in the PTS!

Well if this was happening to said beta how would developers know about unless people reported it and not abused it without knowing? It is called "Take Flight" one could assume they can jump practically anywhere so they thought it was a feature. I also believe this didn't come to light till now.

Phelaen · June 2016

ZOS_CoriJ wrote: »

Regardless of what the discussion is in theme we expect that the forum rules are followed when posting.
This is particularly the case with specific users using an exploit as publicly singling these players out on the forums this way is a concern for unnecessary shaming and harassment. This should be reported to be addressed.

Reporting to the forums is informative in a situation where we are not aware of a bug or issue already. Reposting the same exploit serves to get players discussing but does not serve to address the issue. Developers have generally addressed exploit discussion on duplicate threads. You can find a response here and here. If you wish to further assist in the matter, the best way to provide information would be to report exploits in or to send the video to support.

if an exploitable bug makes it through the test period onto the live server, you (ZOS) needs to be sure users are told its a bug and not a feature and that people will be punished for using it, not on the forums in a comment on a thread, you need to INFORM your users properly

-tell them in the news when starting the launchers
-tell then at log in in a pop up text box
-or spam a message in zone chat every x minutes

its MMO 101

when are you guys actually going to learn about communicating with the user base...
so disappointing that a great game like this is hosted by incompetent fools