PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »No. I can gaurantee you it was my 5 man vs your large group.PrinceFabious wrote: »themdogesbite wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »I have only seen a handful of scroll runners out of thousands since launch running without a hack. Even with pots, cp, sets, rapids, or whatever they shouldn't have perma-stam/where'd he go speed outrunning everyone on maxxed out mounts. Also no matter skill level a group of three people no matter the skill level "elite" or novice should be able to wipe 30+ experienced PvP groups. Saying they are just that good is insane and you're saying that 1% of the players are 100% better than the rest. C'mon, bro. Everyone pretty much runs exact same build/skill set for each class and uses same rotations. Playing field should be a little more level than it is if these "elites" are playing fair.
So what do you say when a group of 10 smokes 40+ repeatedly?
Are they cheating?
Just curious.
10 experienced v 40 experienced?
Would have to say cheating, but that happening would make more sense with synergy, ward ally/etc abilites, but thats not where my post was going. My post is unlimited resources for 3 and them "smoking" 30. With that post there is no debate to be had.
In group on sorc i usually play seducer and 3x cost reduction, thats more or less infinite resources togheter with CPs. Am i cheating cause i know how to manage my resources?..
Partly my point. The thing is - on Azura's (non CP) - my group when we reach 10 people - is easily able to take on 40+ and win regularly. I will grant you that not everyone on Azura's is "experienced" but we did this for well over 6 weeks making millions of AP in the process.
We make sure to weave staff attacks to refill magicka, use proxy det and time our ultimates and position them well and stay tight enough to get 3-4 PD's in an area - but not tight enough to get blasted in the same manner.
At the end of the day 10 people working together - knowing how each other plays - and timing abilities / communicating well are going to appear to be cheating to the standard "LFG" crowd based on a lot of what has happened publicly here and in private chat and other places like guild websites and the like, if they wipe out 2-3X their number on a regular basis. However, it has ALWAYS remained my argument that those 10 tightly co-ordinated people in a group that have been working together for years - should ALWAYS be able to wipe out 2-3X their number even if in the midst of that 2-3X their number there are 10 or so experienced PvPer's trying to lead the "LFG" crowd to victory.
Well, this raises an issue doesn't it?
I can gaurantee you have never done that. I actually have a video of my group of 5 wiping FARMING your group of 20+ and will gladly post the youtube link if you dare question it.
The last time EHJ had 20+ was right about the time the lighting patch hit. If you are referring to the BRK siege on Azura's where there were 20 EP with the emperor bombing us with bugged siege....well...as you say. There were 20+ DC in the area in two separate groups. Our group mainly consists of about 10 people with 2-4 floaters who log in once in a while and expand the group to 12-14 people at the VERY top end and the last time I saw that was on a campaign reset.
I am speaking of fighting AD on Azura's - not the best of the best and I openly admitted that in my second post - and yes there were 40 of them fighting us at Faregyl. My group of 10 pushed them from the breach to the farm killing them the entire way. The rest of DC (probably about 20 in total) were operating siege, shooting from the walls etc - but pretty much did not leave the keep - it was our 10 that pushed them to the resource.
Be careful what you guarantee. Providing a link to a youtube video of you and an emperor killing people with siege at a keep doesn't exactly prove much. I do believe we were 8 that night as well. 50K tick...guess that still burns a little.
It was a few days before the theives guild patch. My five man stole a scroll from your group and camped it at a church. You ran in there and suicided with your group multiple times. This was when TF was an AD buff sever so of course we did not have emp buff.
http://youtu.be/M3Rzx_HMKWs
The @bitaken sightings start at 8:30
Trueflame was an AD buff server - so this video is from about the first two weeks we came back to the game - had about 100 CL's.
Lastly, and most importantly - you were 5v1'ing me as I was solo. NOT A SINGLE one of those people besides myself - is a member of Einherjar. That was the only DC guild on true at that time. Don't believe me ask sinsational, mukrar or any of them. Not a single one is a member of my guild. I was not grouped with them. I went over to see what was going on. Saw it was only 5....and came back to take a stab at killing you.
So, grats for farming a solo with 5 people and a meatbag in a church for 2 kills.
@PrinceFabious you are seriously delusional.
Conversely here is an EHJ 5 man defending drake - me a NB and 2 templars healing - one stam.
http://plays.tv/video/571ebc1e99f4902cf4/that-rage-tell-is-so-real-nice-defense-?section=feed
The tell from Lyzara at the end....took two weeks to make friends again!
Ahh there is the @bitaken excuse. "Guess that still burns a little"..anyways I guess this does prove your point that small groups can wipe larger groups. Thanks!
P.s. Just because you werent in a group doesnt exliminate that there was more people around you lol
@PrinceFabious
I'm not sure why exactly you are trolling me - maybe you have a hard on for me and my guild - not sure. However, if you had the opportunity to fight the AD zerg on Azura's prior to EHJ and FWF taking the server from them - you would know exactly what I am talking about - and would agree with me on my points.
The original point I made was when 10 people in an organized group wipe out 20-30 more than themselves - the issue of "cheat program Z" is bound to come up.
Dracan_Fontom wrote: »I just love how everyone just says EP has no honor and EP should be shamed for doing this, when a matter of fact that ALL alliances do this on PC, stop being bias towards other alliances please.
Roehamad_Ali wrote: »The job of the exploiters has been over the last 2 years
A. Cast doubt and suspicion everywhere
B. Make those that know look cRaZy
C. Destroy confidence in ZOS
D. Find new ways to cheat
E. Rinse & Repeat A through D
All self serving objectives . Turn people on everyone and everything except them .
...Know your Enemy .
I love all the EP hate. Between the AD/DC love fest against EP, and the amount of shady things that has come from the gold and blue side (cheating to be blunt), I don't know what I find more funny.
Publius_Scipio wrote: »Dracan_Fontom wrote: »I just love how everyone just says EP has no honor and EP should be shamed for doing this, when a matter of fact that ALL alliances do this on PC, stop being bias towards other alliances please.
Relax. Everyone knows this. At the time the OP titled his thread because he saw EP doing it. But we all know it's players on all alliances and ZOS knows it too.
PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »No. I can gaurantee you it was my 5 man vs your large group.PrinceFabious wrote: »themdogesbite wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »I have only seen a handful of scroll runners out of thousands since launch running without a hack. Even with pots, cp, sets, rapids, or whatever they shouldn't have perma-stam/where'd he go speed outrunning everyone on maxxed out mounts. Also no matter skill level a group of three people no matter the skill level "elite" or novice should be able to wipe 30+ experienced PvP groups. Saying they are just that good is insane and you're saying that 1% of the players are 100% better than the rest. C'mon, bro. Everyone pretty much runs exact same build/skill set for each class and uses same rotations. Playing field should be a little more level than it is if these "elites" are playing fair.
So what do you say when a group of 10 smokes 40+ repeatedly?
Are they cheating?
Just curious.
10 experienced v 40 experienced?
Would have to say cheating, but that happening would make more sense with synergy, ward ally/etc abilites, but thats not where my post was going. My post is unlimited resources for 3 and them "smoking" 30. With that post there is no debate to be had.
In group on sorc i usually play seducer and 3x cost reduction, thats more or less infinite resources togheter with CPs. Am i cheating cause i know how to manage my resources?..
Partly my point. The thing is - on Azura's (non CP) - my group when we reach 10 people - is easily able to take on 40+ and win regularly. I will grant you that not everyone on Azura's is "experienced" but we did this for well over 6 weeks making millions of AP in the process.
We make sure to weave staff attacks to refill magicka, use proxy det and time our ultimates and position them well and stay tight enough to get 3-4 PD's in an area - but not tight enough to get blasted in the same manner.
At the end of the day 10 people working together - knowing how each other plays - and timing abilities / communicating well are going to appear to be cheating to the standard "LFG" crowd based on a lot of what has happened publicly here and in private chat and other places like guild websites and the like, if they wipe out 2-3X their number on a regular basis. However, it has ALWAYS remained my argument that those 10 tightly co-ordinated people in a group that have been working together for years - should ALWAYS be able to wipe out 2-3X their number even if in the midst of that 2-3X their number there are 10 or so experienced PvPer's trying to lead the "LFG" crowd to victory.
Well, this raises an issue doesn't it?
I can gaurantee you have never done that. I actually have a video of my group of 5 wiping FARMING your group of 20+ and will gladly post the youtube link if you dare question it.
The last time EHJ had 20+ was right about the time the lighting patch hit. If you are referring to the BRK siege on Azura's where there were 20 EP with the emperor bombing us with bugged siege....well...as you say. There were 20+ DC in the area in two separate groups. Our group mainly consists of about 10 people with 2-4 floaters who log in once in a while and expand the group to 12-14 people at the VERY top end and the last time I saw that was on a campaign reset.
I am speaking of fighting AD on Azura's - not the best of the best and I openly admitted that in my second post - and yes there were 40 of them fighting us at Faregyl. My group of 10 pushed them from the breach to the farm killing them the entire way. The rest of DC (probably about 20 in total) were operating siege, shooting from the walls etc - but pretty much did not leave the keep - it was our 10 that pushed them to the resource.
Be careful what you guarantee. Providing a link to a youtube video of you and an emperor killing people with siege at a keep doesn't exactly prove much. I do believe we were 8 that night as well. 50K tick...guess that still burns a little.
It was a few days before the theives guild patch. My five man stole a scroll from your group and camped it at a church. You ran in there and suicided with your group multiple times. This was when TF was an AD buff sever so of course we did not have emp buff.
http://youtu.be/M3Rzx_HMKWs
The @bitaken sightings start at 8:30
Trueflame was an AD buff server - so this video is from about the first two weeks we came back to the game - had about 100 CL's.
Lastly, and most importantly - you were 5v1'ing me as I was solo. NOT A SINGLE one of those people besides myself - is a member of Einherjar. That was the only DC guild on true at that time. Don't believe me ask sinsational, mukrar or any of them. Not a single one is a member of my guild. I was not grouped with them. I went over to see what was going on. Saw it was only 5....and came back to take a stab at killing you.
So, grats for farming a solo with 5 people and a meatbag in a church for 2 kills.
@PrinceFabious you are seriously delusional.
Conversely here is an EHJ 5 man defending drake - me a NB and 2 templars healing - one stam.
http://plays.tv/video/571ebc1e99f4902cf4/that-rage-tell-is-so-real-nice-defense-?section=feed
The tell from Lyzara at the end....took two weeks to make friends again!
Ahh there is the @bitaken excuse. "Guess that still burns a little"..anyways I guess this does prove your point that small groups can wipe larger groups. Thanks!
P.s. Just because you werent in a group doesnt exliminate that there was more people around you lol
@PrinceFabious
I'm not sure why exactly you are trolling me - maybe you have a hard on for me and my guild - not sure. However, if you had the opportunity to fight the AD zerg on Azura's prior to EHJ and FWF taking the server from them - you would know exactly what I am talking about - and would agree with me on my points.
The original point I made was when 10 people in an organized group wipe out 20-30 more than themselves - the issue of "cheat program Z" is bound to come up.
I've fought @bitaken and their group many times in varying numbers. Sometimes we win, sometimes they do. Other than being a sorc who's damn hard to kill, I've never thought that you were cheating. I've said many times to my wife while gaming, an organized group will always win over a disorganized one regardless of 10v40 or what ever. So it doesn't surprise me when you guys wipe our AD group as I can see first hand, that our group isn't coordinated. That's also one of the biggest reasons we have a hard time taking keeps. People are too busy doing their own things while in the group and not working together. Good luck and see you on the battlefield!
When I see sorcs running around Cyrodiil with 50k magicka, 23k shields on top of 23k health, who can land 12k crystal frags on tank characters wearing full impen, it's not surprising to see a small group wiping a much larger one.
EDIT : This is now a BUFF SORC thread.
PrinceFabious wrote: »PrinceFabious wrote: »No. I can gaurantee you it was my 5 man vs your large group.PrinceFabious wrote: »themdogesbite wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »I have only seen a handful of scroll runners out of thousands since launch running without a hack. Even with pots, cp, sets, rapids, or whatever they shouldn't have perma-stam/where'd he go speed outrunning everyone on maxxed out mounts. Also no matter skill level a group of three people no matter the skill level "elite" or novice should be able to wipe 30+ experienced PvP groups. Saying they are just that good is insane and you're saying that 1% of the players are 100% better than the rest. C'mon, bro. Everyone pretty much runs exact same build/skill set for each class and uses same rotations. Playing field should be a little more level than it is if these "elites" are playing fair.
So what do you say when a group of 10 smokes 40+ repeatedly?
Are they cheating?
Just curious.
10 experienced v 40 experienced?
Would have to say cheating, but that happening would make more sense with synergy, ward ally/etc abilites, but thats not where my post was going. My post is unlimited resources for 3 and them "smoking" 30. With that post there is no debate to be had.
In group on sorc i usually play seducer and 3x cost reduction, thats more or less infinite resources togheter with CPs. Am i cheating cause i know how to manage my resources?..
Partly my point. The thing is - on Azura's (non CP) - my group when we reach 10 people - is easily able to take on 40+ and win regularly. I will grant you that not everyone on Azura's is "experienced" but we did this for well over 6 weeks making millions of AP in the process.
We make sure to weave staff attacks to refill magicka, use proxy det and time our ultimates and position them well and stay tight enough to get 3-4 PD's in an area - but not tight enough to get blasted in the same manner.
At the end of the day 10 people working together - knowing how each other plays - and timing abilities / communicating well are going to appear to be cheating to the standard "LFG" crowd based on a lot of what has happened publicly here and in private chat and other places like guild websites and the like, if they wipe out 2-3X their number on a regular basis. However, it has ALWAYS remained my argument that those 10 tightly co-ordinated people in a group that have been working together for years - should ALWAYS be able to wipe out 2-3X their number even if in the midst of that 2-3X their number there are 10 or so experienced PvPer's trying to lead the "LFG" crowd to victory.
Well, this raises an issue doesn't it?
I can gaurantee you have never done that. I actually have a video of my group of 5 wiping FARMING your group of 20+ and will gladly post the youtube link if you dare question it.
The last time EHJ had 20+ was right about the time the lighting patch hit. If you are referring to the BRK siege on Azura's where there were 20 EP with the emperor bombing us with bugged siege....well...as you say. There were 20+ DC in the area in two separate groups. Our group mainly consists of about 10 people with 2-4 floaters who log in once in a while and expand the group to 12-14 people at the VERY top end and the last time I saw that was on a campaign reset.
I am speaking of fighting AD on Azura's - not the best of the best and I openly admitted that in my second post - and yes there were 40 of them fighting us at Faregyl. My group of 10 pushed them from the breach to the farm killing them the entire way. The rest of DC (probably about 20 in total) were operating siege, shooting from the walls etc - but pretty much did not leave the keep - it was our 10 that pushed them to the resource.
Be careful what you guarantee. Providing a link to a youtube video of you and an emperor killing people with siege at a keep doesn't exactly prove much. I do believe we were 8 that night as well. 50K tick...guess that still burns a little.
It was a few days before the theives guild patch. My five man stole a scroll from your group and camped it at a church. You ran in there and suicided with your group multiple times. This was when TF was an AD buff sever so of course we did not have emp buff.
http://youtu.be/M3Rzx_HMKWs
The @bitaken sightings start at 8:30
Trueflame was an AD buff server - so this video is from about the first two weeks we came back to the game - had about 100 CL's.
Lastly, and most importantly - you were 5v1'ing me as I was solo. NOT A SINGLE one of those people besides myself - is a member of Einherjar. That was the only DC guild on true at that time. Don't believe me ask sinsational, mukrar or any of them. Not a single one is a member of my guild. I was not grouped with them. I went over to see what was going on. Saw it was only 5....and came back to take a stab at killing you.
So, grats for farming a solo with 5 people and a meatbag in a church for 2 kills.
@PrinceFabious you are seriously delusional.
Conversely here is an EHJ 5 man defending drake - me a NB and 2 templars healing - one stam.
http://plays.tv/video/571ebc1e99f4902cf4/that-rage-tell-is-so-real-nice-defense-?section=feed
The tell from Lyzara at the end....took two weeks to make friends again!
Ahh there is the @bitaken excuse. "Guess that still burns a little"..anyways I guess this does prove your point that small groups can wipe larger groups. Thanks!
P.s. Just because you werent in a group doesnt exliminate that there was more people around you lol
@PrinceFabious
I'm not sure why exactly you are trolling me - maybe you have a hard on for me and my guild - not sure. However, if you had the opportunity to fight the AD zerg on Azura's prior to EHJ and FWF taking the server from them - you would know exactly what I am talking about - and would agree with me on my points.
The original point I made was when 10 people in an organized group wipe out 20-30 more than themselves - the issue of "cheat program Z" is bound to come up.
I've fought @bitaken and their group many times in varying numbers. Sometimes we win, sometimes they do. Other than being a sorc who's damn hard to kill, I've never thought that you were cheating. I've said many times to my wife while gaming, an organized group will always win over a disorganized one regardless of 10v40 or what ever. So it doesn't surprise me when you guys wipe our AD group as I can see first hand, that our group isn't coordinated. That's also one of the biggest reasons we have a hard time taking keeps. People are too busy doing their own things while in the group and not working together. Good luck and see you on the battlefield!
When I see sorcs running around Cyrodiil with 50k magicka, 23k shields on top of 23k health, who can land 12k crystal frags on tank characters wearing full impen, it's not surprising to see a small group wiping a much larger one.
EDIT : This is now a BUFF SORC thread.
LOL Thought we all out grew the Salem Witch Trials? Zos will take care of it, people had to put holiday on hold to take care of this. Believe it am sure a few of them are not very happy about it and plan on attacking it full on.
Only thing we can do is submit a report in game if we see something weird going on. Also if you come across any sites that talk about the hacks and point to a web site then send that in and report them. We should stop complaining and pointing fingers and help to find them and report them. In long run it could only help the game.
Remember hacks hurt all of us!
This has been a public service announcement, we will now return you to the Salem Witch Trials!
LOL Thought we all out grew the Salem Witch Trials? Zos will take care of it, people had to put holiday on hold to take care of this. Believe it am sure a few of them are not very happy about it and plan on attacking it full on.
Only thing we can do is submit a report in game if we see something weird going on. Also if you come across any sites that talk about the hacks and point to a web site then send that in and report them. We should stop complaining and pointing fingers and help to find them and report them. In long run it could only help the game.
Remember hacks hurt all of us!
This has been a public service announcement, we will now return you to the Salem Witch Trials!
PrinceFabious wrote: »LOL Thought we all out grew the Salem Witch Trials? Zos will take care of it, people had to put holiday on hold to take care of this. Believe it am sure a few of them are not very happy about it and plan on attacking it full on.
Only thing we can do is submit a report in game if we see something weird going on. Also if you come across any sites that talk about the hacks and point to a web site then send that in and report them. We should stop complaining and pointing fingers and help to find them and report them. In long run it could only help the game.
Remember hacks hurt all of us!
This has been a public service announcement, we will now return you to the Salem Witch Trials!
Its not the Salem Witch Trials since there are actually Witches! Have you even learned about the Salem Witch Trials nub?
@SirKool
Who is saying this? I think you're probably referring to those asking others to be fair and balanced in their judgements and to avoid reckless accusations without proof.God_flakes wrote: »It is truly amusing to see, after all the events of the weekend, the countless videos, the public announcements by streamers, the blatant and deliberate demonstration by Zazeer, that we still have people saying, "cheats? What cheats? There are no cheats. Move along, nothing to see."
OK, Judge Dredd.Every single individual saying this is at the top of my suspect list.
Who is saying this? I think you're probably referring to those asking others to be fair and balanced in their judgements and to avoid reckless accusations without proof.God_flakes wrote: »It is truly amusing to see, after all the events of the weekend, the countless videos, the public announcements by streamers, the blatant and deliberate demonstration by Zazeer, that we still have people saying, "cheats? What cheats? There are no cheats. Move along, nothing to see."OK, Judge Dredd.Every single individual saying this is at the top of my suspect list.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »Who is saying this? I think you're probably referring to those asking others to be fair and balanced in their judgements and to avoid reckless accusations without proof.God_flakes wrote: »It is truly amusing to see, after all the events of the weekend, the countless videos, the public announcements by streamers, the blatant and deliberate demonstration by Zazeer, that we still have people saying, "cheats? What cheats? There are no cheats. Move along, nothing to see."OK, Judge Dredd.Every single individual saying this is at the top of my suspect list.
It's more like certain people that were obviously using it keep saying it or more to the angle of trivializing and marginalizing it's common usage by some.
Minnesinger wrote: »That is so nice. Take a look at this video and tell me how this continues?
What I find sadder than anything else is several of them have been unbanned now. Even a couple people I know for sure were right there with Zaz doing it.
Sigh...
What I find sadder than anything else is several of them have been unbanned now. Even a couple people I know for sure were right there with Zaz doing it.
Sigh...
https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4044-qdhj-5691
Important:
All VAC bans are permanent - Valve has a zero-tolerance policy for cheating and will not lift VAC bans on request. Steam Support agents cannot remove or modify bans. If a round of VAC bans is determined to have been issued incorrectly, they will be automatically reversed by our servers. Creating a Steam Support ticket will not cause your ban to be removed.
and I have little reason to doubt...this is disgusting and disheartening...there is simply no other way to put it.What I find sadder than anything else is several of them have been unbanned now. Even a couple people I know for sure were right there with Zaz doing it.
Sigh...
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
Publius_Scipio wrote: »
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.