Publius_Scipio wrote: »
As far as I know, yes.
moiraleafcull wrote: »@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
If what @Rylana says is trueand I have little reason to doubt...this is disgusting and disheartening...there is simply no other way to put it.What I find sadder than anything else is several of them have been unbanned now. Even a couple people I know for sure were right there with Zaz doing it.
Sigh...
This coupled with the absence of any follow-up to the initial posts by ZOS on this matter is also troublesome.
Finally, it is obvious, though not so apparently rampant, there are still some individuals using CE. If folks are unbanned after a day or so why even bother reporting it.
A few days ago I thought Zaz's reasons and approach were completely wrong. I still cannot fully condone what was done as the way to get ZOS's attention but given the above I am beginning to think strong and drastic measures are about the only way to get them to address this in appropriate fashion.
I do believe that as customers, as a community (both PvP and PvE), we do deserve better and would ask ZOS to provide it.
I would really hate to see a repeat of this past weekend being the only way to get this matter handled appropriately.
My BS meter reads pretty high when someone claims a greater good as motive for doing something wrong. Specifically - the claim that the blatant use of the cheat in such a public manner was intended to spur ZOS to act.. If the true intent was to force ZOS to act on cheating then there were far better methods.
ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Now that I'm thinking about it, a PvP streamer was suspended (perma-banned?) while he was live. was back the next day after suspension/ban was rescinded. No idea if he was doing anything fishy, or it was just griefing because he ganks the poop out of people.
ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Now that I'm thinking about it, a PvP streamer was suspended (perma-banned?) while he was live. was back the next day after suspension/ban was rescinded. No idea if he was doing anything fishy, or it was just griefing because he ganks the poop out of people.
Publius_Scipio wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »Now that I'm thinking about it, a PvP streamer was suspended (perma-banned?) while he was live. was back the next day after suspension/ban was rescinded. No idea if he was doing anything fishy, or it was just griefing because he ganks the poop out of people.
I think I know what you are referring to. That was for "account sharing". Not the hacks everyones been talking about since this past weekend.
And yes the ban was lifted the next day. There are two sides with differing opinions on that specific ban being lifted and why it was lifted, but again, nothing to do with the hacks.
Why is anyone surprised ZOS isn't taking this seriously? ZOS has known about these issues from day one. ZOS leadership has made the decision to ignore cheating in ESO to the greatest degree possible. It only reacts when the cheating is blatant. And even then, has a history of being lax and inconsistent.
The only way this will change is if we keep the pressure up. Don't let this go. Tell everyone you know how ZOS operates. Make this a story that someone in the gaming press picks up. If ZOS is going to treat its customers this way, we need to make sure its actions become reputation.
The fact is Zenimax has the resources to make this right. @ZOS_MattFiror talks about this game as if it's financially successful. There is no excuse for ZOS not to deliver the experience that was sold to us. It is within its power to deliver, but it has chosen not to. This represents very bad business ethics.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.
Publius_Scipio wrote: »And what is the real significance of a "permanent ban"? Can't the "banned" individual simply purchase the game again creating a new account? Or is ZOS somehow actually tracking real individuals and if they are banned they can never play again on a new account?
Just got hit by 2 dawnbreakers in death recap, and this guy was hitting friggin hard and fast, he was not emp either, so unless there is a bug that lets you hit with 2 Ult still, this guy was hacking.
Just got hit by 2 dawnbreakers in death recap, and this guy was hitting friggin hard and fast, he was not emp either, so unless there is a bug that lets you hit with 2 Ult still, this guy was hacking.
You get one dawnbreaker in death recap for the first hit, and then a second for the dot. If you actually got hit and saw the animation for 2 DBs and there wasn't enough time between them/he didn't kill enough pugs nearby you to get ult back, then yes that's fishy, but that's not what it sounds like.
moiraleafcull wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »And what is the real significance of a "permanent ban"? Can't the "banned" individual simply purchase the game again creating a new account? Or is ZOS somehow actually tracking real individuals and if they are banned they can never play again on a new account?
Apparently some companies have it figured out...
http://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-cheaters-are-having-a-hard-time/
Just got hit by 2 dawnbreakers in death recap, and this guy was hitting friggin hard and fast, he was not emp either, so unless there is a bug that lets you hit with 2 Ult still, this guy was hacking.
You get one dawnbreaker in death recap for the first hit, and then a second for the dot. If you actually got hit and saw the animation for 2 DBs and there wasn't enough time between them/he didn't kill enough pugs nearby you to get ult back, then yes that's fishy, but that's not what it sounds like.
You could be right, but just seems he was a "little" too good. It kinda happened so fast I couldnt tell if he did 2 anim DBers.
I have 20k physical and spell resist 5 pc heavy and almost 600 cps, with some in Phy resist Mighty? I think it is. Also 2500 crit resist and 37 k hp.
Anyways maybe he was just really good... or i was just really bad lol, but umm...
Just got hit by 2 dawnbreakers in death recap, and this guy was hitting friggin hard and fast, he was not emp either, so unless there is a bug that lets you hit with 2 Ult still, this guy was hacking.
You get one dawnbreaker in death recap for the first hit, and then a second for the dot. If you actually got hit and saw the animation for 2 DBs and there wasn't enough time between them/he didn't kill enough pugs nearby you to get ult back, then yes that's fishy, but that's not what it sounds like.
You could be right, but just seems he was a "little" too good. It kinda happened so fast I couldnt tell if he did 2 anim DBers.
I have 20k physical and spell resist 5 pc heavy and almost 600 cps, with some in Phy resist Mighty? I think it is. Also 2500 crit resist and 37 k hp.
Anyways maybe he was just really good... or i was just really bad lol, but umm...
There is nothing wrong with this recap. Like Zheg noted, you are seeing the initial Dawnbreaker hit as one item and the Dawnbreaker DOT damage as another item. It is not evidence your opponent is cheating.
If you want to better understand what happens to you in combat, use the Recount addon.
I mean this in the nicest possible way, but I do not believe you have sufficient knowledge to judge whether another player is cheating. This goes for most players IMO.
Just got hit by 2 dawnbreakers in death recap, and this guy was hitting friggin hard and fast, he was not emp either, so unless there is a bug that lets you hit with 2 Ult still, this guy was hacking.
You get one dawnbreaker in death recap for the first hit, and then a second for the dot. If you actually got hit and saw the animation for 2 DBs and there wasn't enough time between them/he didn't kill enough pugs nearby you to get ult back, then yes that's fishy, but that's not what it sounds like.
You could be right, but just seems he was a "little" too good. It kinda happened so fast I couldnt tell if he did 2 anim DBers.
I have 20k physical and spell resist 5 pc heavy and almost 600 cps, with some in Phy resist Mighty? I think it is. Also 2500 crit resist and 37 k hp.
Anyways maybe he was just really good... or i was just really bad lol, but umm...
There is nothing wrong with this recap. Like Zheg noted, you are seeing the initial Dawnbreaker hit as one item and the Dawnbreaker DOT damage as another item. It is not evidence your opponent is cheating.
If you want to better understand what happens to you in combat, use the Recount addon.
I mean this in the nicest possible way, but I do not believe you have sufficient knowledge to judge whether another player is cheating. This goes for most players IMO.
Your right I dont, and frankly I shouldn't have to worry about it, but here we are, CE runing rampant for months maybe years, go figure.
moiraleafcull wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »And what is the real significance of a "permanent ban"? Can't the "banned" individual simply purchase the game again creating a new account? Or is ZOS somehow actually tracking real individuals and if they are banned they can never play again on a new account?
Apparently some companies have it figured out...
http://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-cheaters-are-having-a-hard-time/
Publius_Scipio wrote: »moiraleafcull wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »And what is the real significance of a "permanent ban"? Can't the "banned" individual simply purchase the game again creating a new account? Or is ZOS somehow actually tracking real individuals and if they are banned they can never play again on a new account?
Apparently some companies have it figured out...
http://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-cheaters-are-having-a-hard-time/
Interesting. How is Blizzard tracking the actual player?
Just got hit by 2 dawnbreakers in death recap, and this guy was hitting friggin hard and fast, he was not emp either, so unless there is a bug that lets you hit with 2 Ult still, this guy was hacking.
You get one dawnbreaker in death recap for the first hit, and then a second for the dot. If you actually got hit and saw the animation for 2 DBs and there wasn't enough time between them/he didn't kill enough pugs nearby you to get ult back, then yes that's fishy, but that's not what it sounds like.
You could be right, but just seems he was a "little" too good. It kinda happened so fast I couldnt tell if he did 2 anim DBers.
I have 20k physical and spell resist 5 pc heavy and almost 600 cps, with some in Phy resist Mighty? I think it is. Also 2500 crit resist and 37 k hp.
Anyways maybe he was just really good... or i was just really bad lol, but umm...
There is nothing wrong with this recap. Like Zheg noted, you are seeing the initial Dawnbreaker hit as one item and the Dawnbreaker DOT damage as another item. It is not evidence your opponent is cheating.
If you want to better understand what happens to you in combat, use the Recount addon.
I mean this in the nicest possible way, but I do not believe you have sufficient knowledge to judge whether another player is cheating. This goes for most players IMO.
Your right I dont, and frankly I shouldn't have to worry about it, but here we are, CE runing rampant for months maybe years, go figure.
Then don't worry about it. It is possible ESO will never be a secure game. In the short term, it definitely cannot be. Let the deaths roll off you and have fun where you can find it. Keep the pressure on ZOS, but give fellow players the benefit of the doubt unless you can prove wrong-doing.
If you can't do that, I'd find a new game. Most games have cheaters, but some publishers/admins take it seriously and make good efforts to ban them.
When I realized ESO was probably very insecure, I decided to keep playing anyway. But I don't take it as seriously as I otherwise might have. I think the reason I've played for so long is because when PVP becomes annoying, I take a long break. Sometimes months. When I return, I accept the faults of the game and enjoy it for what it is.
moiraleafcull wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »moiraleafcull wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »And what is the real significance of a "permanent ban"? Can't the "banned" individual simply purchase the game again creating a new account? Or is ZOS somehow actually tracking real individuals and if they are banned they can never play again on a new account?
Apparently some companies have it figured out...
http://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-cheaters-are-having-a-hard-time/
Interesting. How is Blizzard tracking the actual player?
Not an expert on the subject by any stretch of the imagination but if I had to guess from the particular example cited, two things apparently remained unchanged, OS and ISP, either could have information that might be used.
Equally interesting, entertaining is seeing the "Wall of Shame" they have posted on their China site.
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »As those of you in this thread know, over this past weekend we saw an influx in players using third-party software tools to cheat in ESO and reports about this behavior. We posted yesterday that we’ve adjusted our automatic anti-cheat systems in response, and have taken action against every account we’ve found cheating, including permanent bans for 43 accounts with more are under investigation.
Our actions this weekend were part of a larger ongoing effort to remove cheaters from ESO. With today's patch, we included some server-side adjustments to address the cheat behavior, and will continue to monitor and action against those players who are caught cheating.
Once again, we want to thank everyone who helped us identify the players who were using cheats.
I didn't hear about this until Tuesday when I came back and read the forums as I play on Azura and things felt like something was up but we never saw endless meteors coming down or endless casting of spells.
Are you going to reinstate those accounts if any of the people that were specifically doing this to get Zenimax to finally do something about it? People report players and hacks all the time, this isn't new. I'm sure that people are getting fed up with nothing being done so I can understand their frustration and do some of the things they did over the past weekend. That doesn't mean that everyone that used the third party addon had been all along.
Before you "Permaban" anyone, you should research their logs and see how long that third party addon was being used. Anyone that had it active for more than a couple of days deserves a permaban. Anyone with a shorter time in use should be reconsidered. I personally don't know of anyone that got banned so this doesn't affect me directly. I feel for those that did get banned who were only trying to bring Zenimax out do finally do something about it.
Also keep in mind, this "hack weekend" came about because of the way Zenimax designed their game. If there had been greater security from the start, we wouldn't have had issues like this for the past two years.There are people who've been telling Zenimax about their client side loop holes for the past two years with nothing done about it.
Maybe now, after this huge fiasco, something good will actually come of it and Zenimax will make the necessary changes to the game so this can't EVER happen again.
Publius_Scipio wrote: »moiraleafcull wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »And what is the real significance of a "permanent ban"? Can't the "banned" individual simply purchase the game again creating a new account? Or is ZOS somehow actually tracking real individuals and if they are banned they can never play again on a new account?
Apparently some companies have it figured out...
http://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-cheaters-are-having-a-hard-time/
Interesting. How is Blizzard tracking the actual player?
Just got hit by 2 dawnbreakers in death recap, and this guy was hitting friggin hard and fast, he was not emp either, so unless there is a bug that lets you hit with 2 Ult still, this guy was hacking.
You get one dawnbreaker in death recap for the first hit, and then a second for the dot. If you actually got hit and saw the animation for 2 DBs and there wasn't enough time between them/he didn't kill enough pugs nearby you to get ult back, then yes that's fishy, but that's not what it sounds like.
You could be right, but just seems he was a "little" too good. It kinda happened so fast I couldnt tell if he did 2 anim DBers.
I have 20k physical and spell resist 5 pc heavy and almost 600 cps, with some in Phy resist Mighty? I think it is. Also 2500 crit resist and 37 k hp.
Anyways maybe he was just really good... or i was just really bad lol, but umm...
There is nothing wrong with this recap. Like Zheg noted, you are seeing the initial Dawnbreaker hit as one item and the Dawnbreaker DOT damage as another item. It is not evidence your opponent is cheating.
If you want to better understand what happens to you in combat, use the Recount addon.
I mean this in the nicest possible way, but I do not believe you have sufficient knowledge to judge whether another player is cheating. This goes for most players IMO.
Your right I dont, and frankly I shouldn't have to worry about it, but here we are, CE runing rampant for months maybe years, go figure.
Then don't worry about it. It is possible ESO will never be a secure game. In the short term, it definitely cannot be. Let the deaths roll off you and have fun where you can find it. Keep the pressure on ZOS, but give fellow players the benefit of the doubt unless you can prove wrong-doing.
If you can't do that, I'd find a new game. Most games have cheaters, but some publishers/admins take it seriously and make good efforts to ban them.
When I realized ESO was probably very insecure, I decided to keep playing anyway. But I don't take it as seriously as I otherwise might have. I think the reason I've played for so long is because when PVP becomes annoying, I take a long break. Sometimes months. When I return, I accept the faults of the game and enjoy it for what it is.
Wise advice here.
kevlarto_ESO wrote: »All I can say is what a difference since the cheat engine was brought to light, players that used to be hard to kill now die like and average player, I am really disappointed so many people appear to have been using the cheat engine or some other form of cheating, smart cheaters I am sure just jacked up the regen enough to look good, but there is no legit build in this game that will let you stand there and take punishment from 8 to 15 players and you not take damage for more than a few seconds.
We killed this guy the other day and he kept coming back to the same place died normal, then he came back and was in god mode, the only explanation turned his cheat back on, so there are a few still slipping under the radar, but again I am just amazed how different things are like night and day.
I hope ZOS's security team stays on this and gets rid of as many cheaters as possible.
ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »As those of you in this thread know, over this past weekend we saw an influx in players using third-party software tools to cheat in ESO and reports about this behavior. We posted yesterday that we’ve adjusted our automatic anti-cheat systems in response, and have taken action against every account we’ve found cheating, including permanent bans for 43 accounts with more are under investigation.
Our actions this weekend were part of a larger ongoing effort to remove cheaters from ESO. With today's patch, we included some server-side adjustments to address the cheat behavior, and will continue to monitor and action against those players who are caught cheating.
Once again, we want to thank everyone who helped us identify the players who were using cheats.