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@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
It would be good for the community if we did get a further official update on the situation please?

Publius_Scipio

In my opinion the entire ESO community deserves this topic to at least have a few minutes of mention on the next ESO Live.

diskiukas

So seems that ZOS banned few, but in general, I have feeling that they just want this problem to go away and continue to ignore like they did before. In ESO we have very competitive players with enormous egos to be the best and always win, who spend hours and hours testing stuff and theory-craft, who twitch and make youtube videos etc.,who like to 1 vs X, who now see that ZOS wont do anything and there is no risk to be caught, if you just smartly adjust some of your numbers. So, on one hand we have - ego, chance to get more viewers, by being more successful in the fights and look super cool by winning outnumbered, feeling that you are powerful and better than most out there,past examples of everyone using bugged things to self advantage( mundus, caltrops, sharpened maces etc), knowledge that you can get away with it without consequences . On other hand we have just your conscience, saying its not OK to cheat. So yes, I am sure this cheat engine wont be used widely, because?
PS: Not directed at anyone in particular

zyk

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

In my opinion the entire ESO community deserves this topic to at least have a few minutes of mention on the next ESO Live.

Why though? ESO Live is pure fluff.

What the ESO community deserves is:
- an apology for shoddy engineering/implementation
- an investment in resources to remedy the shoddy engineering/implementation
- articulation of the plan
- execution

Whether such is described in a PR event is incidental.

This ZOS position is not "oh crap, how did this happen??! we had no idea!" The ZOS position has been "we know ESO has extremely poor security and we don't care because our business model and target audience have changed."

We know ZOS doesn't care because it had 5+ years of development to avoid design flaws well understood by all professional developers and 2+ years after launch to do something about it.

The fundamental issue is the ethics of ZOS and @ZOS_MattFiror. This situation isn't an accident. It's something he decided.

Lord-Stien

Heads UP... Looks like a some of the banned players are back...

Saw a couple names today ...

Elsonso

Lord-Stien wrote: »

Heads UP... Looks like a some of the banned players are back...

Saw a couple names today ...

If the number of bans is lower than 43, currently, I doubt we will hear anything more from them on this matter. That would just enrage the community.

FENGRUSH

lordrichter wrote: »

Lord-Stien wrote: »

Heads UP... Looks like a some of the banned players are back...

Saw a couple names today ...

If the number of bans is lower than 43, currently, I doubt we will hear anything more from them on this matter. That would just enrage the community.

It is unfortunately. Those 43 bans were not 43 'perma bans' as stated. In fact - they werent even handed out as such. They were 43 "3 day bans while they investigated". Many were investigated and lifted. Others were decided upon to be perma bans after the investigationg.

For example, they banned people that were just emps and ulting 'too much'. Additionally, there were people that used that software and were not banned. Those 2 things together really diminish that message - but Im trying to look past it at this point.

Rohamad_Ali

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4

Zheg

FENGRUSH wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Lord-Stien wrote: »

Heads UP... Looks like a some of the banned players are back...

Saw a couple names today ...

If the number of bans is lower than 43, currently, I doubt we will hear anything more from them on this matter. That would just enrage the community.

It is unfortunately. Those 43 bans were not 43 'perma bans' as stated. In fact - they werent even handed out as such. They were 43 "3 day bans while they investigated". Many were investigated and lifted. Others were decided upon to be perma bans after the investigationg.

For example, they banned people that were just emps and ulting 'too much'. Additionally, there were people that used that software and were not banned. Those 2 things together really diminish that message - but Im trying to look past it at this point.

No. No looking past it. ZOS will carry this with them like aoe caps, Wrobel, prox det, vet levels, and every other failed decision they've made. Compare Blizzard's response to ESO's below. No one expects ZOS to stop amateur hour, we all know better, but that doesn't mean we should stop bringing it up and shaming ZOS.

http://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-cheaters-are-having-a-hard-time/

Minno

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Lord-Stien wrote: »

Heads UP... Looks like a some of the banned players are back...

Saw a couple names today ...

If the number of bans is lower than 43, currently, I doubt we will hear anything more from them on this matter. That would just enrage the community.

It is unfortunately. Those 43 bans were not 43 'perma bans' as stated. In fact - they werent even handed out as such. They were 43 "3 day bans while they investigated". Many were investigated and lifted. Others were decided upon to be perma bans after the investigationg.

For example, they banned people that were just emps and ulting 'too much'. Additionally, there were people that used that software and were not banned. Those 2 things together really diminish that message - but Im trying to look past it at this point.

No. No looking past it. ZOS will carry this with them like aoe caps, Wrobel, prox det, vet levels, and every other failed decision they've made. Compare Blizzard's response to ESO's below. No one expects ZOS to stop amateur hour, we all know better, but that doesn't mean we should stop bringing it up and shaming ZOS.

http://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-cheaters-are-having-a-hard-time/

PCGamer also usually has an intense chubby for anything Blizzard. It's possible the media company that owns PCG, receives a large sum of "marketing" cash.

Either way, a CPU ID based ban sounds dangerous yet effective.

Zheg

Minno wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Lord-Stien wrote: »

Heads UP... Looks like a some of the banned players are back...

Saw a couple names today ...

If the number of bans is lower than 43, currently, I doubt we will hear anything more from them on this matter. That would just enrage the community.

It is unfortunately. Those 43 bans were not 43 'perma bans' as stated. In fact - they werent even handed out as such. They were 43 "3 day bans while they investigated". Many were investigated and lifted. Others were decided upon to be perma bans after the investigationg.

For example, they banned people that were just emps and ulting 'too much'. Additionally, there were people that used that software and were not banned. Those 2 things together really diminish that message - but Im trying to look past it at this point.

No. No looking past it. ZOS will carry this with them like aoe caps, Wrobel, prox det, vet levels, and every other failed decision they've made. Compare Blizzard's response to ESO's below. No one expects ZOS to stop amateur hour, we all know better, but that doesn't mean we should stop bringing it up and shaming ZOS.

http://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-cheaters-are-having-a-hard-time/

PCGamer also usually has an intense chubby for anything Blizzard. It's possible the media company that owns PCG, receives a large sum of "marketing" cash.

Either way, a CPU ID based ban sounds dangerous yet effective.

Do a quick google search and it's pretty clear that whatever chubby they have for them would only go so far as to how flowery the language is when praising them. The actions speak for themselves, and are even louder when compared to ZOS.

Minno

Zheg wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Lord-Stien wrote: »

Heads UP... Looks like a some of the banned players are back...

Saw a couple names today ...

If the number of bans is lower than 43, currently, I doubt we will hear anything more from them on this matter. That would just enrage the community.

It is unfortunately. Those 43 bans were not 43 'perma bans' as stated. In fact - they werent even handed out as such. They were 43 "3 day bans while they investigated". Many were investigated and lifted. Others were decided upon to be perma bans after the investigationg.

For example, they banned people that were just emps and ulting 'too much'. Additionally, there were people that used that software and were not banned. Those 2 things together really diminish that message - but Im trying to look past it at this point.

No. No looking past it. ZOS will carry this with them like aoe caps, Wrobel, prox det, vet levels, and every other failed decision they've made. Compare Blizzard's response to ESO's below. No one expects ZOS to stop amateur hour, we all know better, but that doesn't mean we should stop bringing it up and shaming ZOS.

http://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-cheaters-are-having-a-hard-time/

PCGamer also usually has an intense chubby for anything Blizzard. It's possible the media company that owns PCG, receives a large sum of "marketing" cash.

Either way, a CPU ID based ban sounds dangerous yet effective.

Do a quick google search and it's pretty clear that whatever chubby they have for them would only go so far as to how flowery the language is when praising them. The actions speak for themselves, and are even louder when compared to ZOS.

Just highlighting a particular issue with gaming editorials; they are more advertising than pure objective consumer news. Rock Paper Shotgun does a better job, almost scary similar to the 1996-2001 PCG years.

And I'm agreeing that blizzards ban is super effective. I'm curious how they handle false positives but something tells me their TOS allows full access to your machine without players knowing. And that last part is scary .

Publius_Scipio

You know, since (I assume) we as players don't have any hard evidence on all these "bans" that were handed out. Shouldn't we consider that ZOS did their investigation and found that no cheating occurred? Isn't that a possibility?

And saying that you can still cheat and not be detected doesn't mean we can point the finger and be right either. Always need evidence. All the players blatantly caught cheating in all these videos. all the videos handed over to ZOS were actually permanently banned right?

I want all the clowns that cheat banned as much as anyone else. But we have to admit there is a large amount of accusation and finger pointing in the forums without evidence backing it up.

It is absolutely imperative that ZOS does everything it can as fast as it can to address these issues and to ensure the players that going forward that the likelihood of cheating in ESO is very low and very difficult to do (nothing is 100% guaranteed). Then we can all move on in good faith. And it doesn't matter what ZOS did or didn't do in the past. Talking about that actually is worth very little. What matters is what is happening right now to make what will happen down the line good for all.

Zheg

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

You know, since (I assume) we as players don't have any hard evidence on all these "bans" that were handed out. Shouldn't we consider that ZOS did their investigation and found that no cheating occurred? Isn't that a possibility?

And saying that you can still cheat and not be detected doesn't mean we can point the finger and be right either. Always need evidence. All the players blatantly caught cheating in all these videos. all the videos handed over to ZOS were actually permanently banned right?

I want all the clowns that cheat banned as much as anyone else. But we have to admit there is a large amount of accusation and finger pointing in the forums without evidence backing it up.

It is absolutely imperative that ZOS does everything it can as fast as it can to address these issues and to ensure the players that going forward that the likelihood of cheating in ESO is very low and very difficult to do (nothing is 100% guaranteed). Then we can all move on in good faith. And it doesn't matter what ZOS did or didn't do in the past. Talking about that actually is worth very little. What matters is what is happening right now to make what will happen down the line good for all.

There were many more that were blatantly spamming ults that weren't video'd/reported enough. ZOS needs to release a statement saying whether or not they are able to detect the minor alterations from cheat engine and how robust their monitoring system is to capture accounts that are using it. There is zero confidence that they're able to do find the 'finger-pointing' causing players that are actually cheating because there is zero response from them - as is usual. In her last past Jessica said that they don't want to give away details of how they monitor, but we don't even know WHAT they can monitor and catch.

Publius_Scipio

Zheg wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

You know, since (I assume) we as players don't have any hard evidence on all these "bans" that were handed out. Shouldn't we consider that ZOS did their investigation and found that no cheating occurred? Isn't that a possibility?

And saying that you can still cheat and not be detected doesn't mean we can point the finger and be right either. Always need evidence. All the players blatantly caught cheating in all these videos. all the videos handed over to ZOS were actually permanently banned right?

I want all the clowns that cheat banned as much as anyone else. But we have to admit there is a large amount of accusation and finger pointing in the forums without evidence backing it up.

It is absolutely imperative that ZOS does everything it can as fast as it can to address these issues and to ensure the players that going forward that the likelihood of cheating in ESO is very low and very difficult to do (nothing is 100% guaranteed). Then we can all move on in good faith. And it doesn't matter what ZOS did or didn't do in the past. Talking about that actually is worth very little. What matters is what is happening right now to make what will happen down the line good for all.

There were many more that were blatantly spamming ults that weren't video'd/reported enough. ZOS needs to release a statement saying whether or not they are able to detect the minor alterations from cheat engine and how robust their monitoring system is to capture accounts that are using it. There is zero confidence that they're able to do find the 'finger-pointing' causing players that are actually cheating because there is zero response from them - as is usual. In her last past Jessica said that they don't want to give away details of how they monitor, but we don't even know WHAT they can monitor and catch.

What you just wrote up goes to my point. We don't know. And not knowing means we ourselves are not guaranteed to be right without all the facts and evidence.

Rohamad_Ali

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

You know, since (I assume) we as players don't have any hard evidence on all these "bans" that were handed out. Shouldn't we consider that ZOS did their investigation and found that no cheating occurred? Isn't that a possibility?

And saying that you can still cheat and not be detected doesn't mean we can point the finger and be right either. Always need evidence. All the players blatantly caught cheating in all these videos. all the videos handed over to ZOS were actually permanently banned right?

I want all the clowns that cheat banned as much as anyone else. But we have to admit there is a large amount of accusation and finger pointing in the forums without evidence backing it up.

It is absolutely imperative that ZOS does everything it can as fast as it can to address these issues and to ensure the players that going forward that the likelihood of cheating in ESO is very low and very difficult to do (nothing is 100% guaranteed). Then we can all move on in good faith. And it doesn't matter what ZOS did or didn't do in the past. Talking about that actually is worth very little. What matters is what is happening right now to make what will happen down the line good for all.

Sorry Publius . I have anger displacement issues today .

rfennell_ESO

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

You know, since (I assume) we as players don't have any hard evidence on all these "bans" that were handed out. Shouldn't we consider that ZOS did their investigation and found that no cheating occurred? Isn't that a possibility?

And saying that you can still cheat and not be detected doesn't mean we can point the finger and be right either. Always need evidence. All the players blatantly caught cheating in all these videos. all the videos handed over to ZOS were actually permanently banned right?

I want all the clowns that cheat banned as much as anyone else. But we have to admit there is a large amount of accusation and finger pointing in the forums without evidence backing it up.

It is absolutely imperative that ZOS does everything it can as fast as it can to address these issues and to ensure the players that going forward that the likelihood of cheating in ESO is very low and very difficult to do (nothing is 100% guaranteed). Then we can all move on in good faith. And it doesn't matter what ZOS did or didn't do in the past. Talking about that actually is worth very little. What matters is what is happening right now to make what will happen down the line good for all.

Here is the issue:

The issue is that people ARE cheating and HAVE been cheating for a while. We're talking builds that can't exist being viable... Max Damage with exploited regen, faster animation times, etc.

Many people (self included) assumed it was just clever macro abuse (which is another exploit altogether), but it turned out it was memory hacking.

The cheats (and oh there are so many of them now), will respond with derision and vitriol and turn the tables on any accuser with "l2p" or the idiotic salt references. But they are cheating.... we're talking high profile players that play a lot are cheating. I saw one of Sypher's podcast crew dodging everything and doing the same thing as all the other cheats. It's not legit...but, if you say it isn't they will attack and insult you.

They have a very rehearsed "explanation" to everything... but fact is they are really just running jacked stats with cheat engine or the other programs they are using. Max Damage with 3k stamina regen isn't very possible, nor is moving faster than someone with retreating up and sprinting. Some of these guys are 4k+ weapon damage, 35k+ stamina and 3k+ stamina regen and with a dodge chance that is passively avoiding attacks for them. Nearly every single one of them is a wrecking blow (now dizzying swing I guess) spammer that spams it faster than should be possible.

If you peruse youtube you might be able to see cheat engine and some of the other progs that are not only easy to use, they are trivial to use.

Crown made a post about the memory obfuscation patch that made Blix disappear until, for whatever reason (probably performance) the memory obfuscation was abandoned or just not followed up on (with time the new memory addresses were learned)... then you had blix and bishop of souls back at it. Those are merely the extreme cases of hacking... The fly under the radar types have been doing it and getting away with it for a while now.

The gist of the problem is that for every cheat that tears off into the sunset at hyper speed is there are those that just move a bit faster than normal and achieve the same thing.

The biggest problem is all the excusers... you know the idiots that conjure an explanation for the obvious cheating with "build" philosophizing. I recall one time where someone's alt grabbed a scroll and ran it to the enemy (the alt being the enemy's alt) and an entire raid with retreating couldn't catch him. It's not possible... there is no build or gearing that makes it possible, but people are busy hypothesizing the mythical build and gear that made it possible.

Where that leaves us, the honest players... is dealing with ZOS' inaction and obvious unwillingness to discuss anything further and the cheaters who are busy posting like they aren't just cheaters. Let's keep in mind that blix was hacking the game, but was busy posting on these forums with his "secret build" that he claimed was legit and he was ALLOWED to keep posting and playing.

Publius_Scipio

Also I want to go on the record as saying I am not one who believes that most professionals or those in any particular trade or craft have an indifference toward their work. I believe that 99% of people that work on something, that build something, have a certain level of pride and care they put into their work.

The people at ZOS, men and women, make their bread by having built, running, and expanding ESO. I don't buy the blanket statements that "ZOS doesn't care" and "ZOS wants ESO to fail". Poppycock, hogwash to all that I say. These are good honest people that go to work and invest their time and pride. ZOS is a real company and ESO is a real job for all of them. ESO is part of their resumes.

I can keep on going but the important part is that I also do not know what goes on internally in their offices. And I am not going to speculate, make assumptions, or point fingers without having facts and evidence.

I know cheating is an issue and I know ZOS (through Jessica) has said they take it seriously and are working on things in regard to this issue. This is the only tangible thing a rational person can take away from all of this right now.

I agree ZOS needs to most likely place this high up on the priority list. And ZOS needs to continue addressing it openly with the players.

Xvorg

Reevster wrote: »

Just got hit by 2 dawnbreakers in death recap, and this guy was hitting friggin hard and fast, he was not emp either, so unless there is a bug that lets you hit with 2 Ult still, this guy was hacking.

Got an invisible Jesus beam

Xvorg

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

All I can say is what a difference since the cheat engine was brought to light, players that used to be hard to kill now die like and average player, I am really disappointed so many people appear to have been using the cheat engine or some other form of cheating, smart cheaters I am sure just jacked up the regen enough to look good, but there is no legit build in this game that will let you stand there and take punishment from 8 to 15 players and you not take damage for more than a few seconds.

We killed this guy the other day and he kept coming back to the same place died normal, then he came back and was in god mode, the only explanation turned his cheat back on, so there are a few still slipping under the radar, but again I am just amazed how different things are like night and day.

I hope ZOS's security team stays on this and gets rid of as many cheaters as possible.

Yesterday I got my first emperor slayer after... 2 years

Ghost-Shot

Minno wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Lord-Stien wrote: »

Heads UP... Looks like a some of the banned players are back...

Saw a couple names today ...

If the number of bans is lower than 43, currently, I doubt we will hear anything more from them on this matter. That would just enrage the community.

It is unfortunately. Those 43 bans were not 43 'perma bans' as stated. In fact - they werent even handed out as such. They were 43 "3 day bans while they investigated". Many were investigated and lifted. Others were decided upon to be perma bans after the investigationg.

For example, they banned people that were just emps and ulting 'too much'. Additionally, there were people that used that software and were not banned. Those 2 things together really diminish that message - but Im trying to look past it at this point.

No. No looking past it. ZOS will carry this with them like aoe caps, Wrobel, prox det, vet levels, and every other failed decision they've made. Compare Blizzard's response to ESO's below. No one expects ZOS to stop amateur hour, we all know better, but that doesn't mean we should stop bringing it up and shaming ZOS.

http://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-cheaters-are-having-a-hard-time/

PCGamer also usually has an intense chubby for anything Blizzard. It's possible the media company that owns PCG, receives a large sum of "marketing" cash.

Either way, a CPU ID based ban sounds dangerous yet effective.

Maybe that's because Blizzard are objectively one of the best game development studios around right now and certainly leagues above ZOS. They make mistakes too, but when they do lead devs actually take to the forums and engage in actual discussions with the community regarding their decisions, not a post saying "this is what I did, its good, trust me". I have been playing WoW and Overwatch a lot recently because I'm just so burnt out on ESO and the cheating thing and subsequent lack of real punishment really broke my desire to play anymore. There was a video of the guy thats in third or fourth place on the AD leaderboard for TF spamming banners around the trans at the AD gates yet somehow he is still playing, FFS ZOS. I find it very sad that on my drastically under geared Fury Warrior (672 ilvl) and getting rekt quite often, I'm getting a more satisfying PvP experience than I do in ESO where I have multiple characters fully geared in full legendaries.

Xvorg

If CE has been working on ESO for 2 years... don't you think it has been developed way further?

What about tweaking your dmg logs?

Regarding the cheaters, I think that ZOS is soooo desperate regarding this issue that offered them their accounts back in exchange for information, because they have no idea on how to deal with this.

rfennell_ESO

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Lord-Stien wrote: »

Heads UP... Looks like a some of the banned players are back...

Saw a couple names today ...

If the number of bans is lower than 43, currently, I doubt we will hear anything more from them on this matter. That would just enrage the community.

It is unfortunately. Those 43 bans were not 43 'perma bans' as stated. In fact - they werent even handed out as such. They were 43 "3 day bans while they investigated". Many were investigated and lifted. Others were decided upon to be perma bans after the investigationg.

For example, they banned people that were just emps and ulting 'too much'. Additionally, there were people that used that software and were not banned. Those 2 things together really diminish that message - but Im trying to look past it at this point.

No. No looking past it. ZOS will carry this with them like aoe caps, Wrobel, prox det, vet levels, and every other failed decision they've made. Compare Blizzard's response to ESO's below. No one expects ZOS to stop amateur hour, we all know better, but that doesn't mean we should stop bringing it up and shaming ZOS.

http://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-cheaters-are-having-a-hard-time/

PCGamer also usually has an intense chubby for anything Blizzard. It's possible the media company that owns PCG, receives a large sum of "marketing" cash.

Either way, a CPU ID based ban sounds dangerous yet effective.

Maybe that's because Blizzard are objectively one of the best game development studios around right now and certainly leagues above ZOS. They make mistakes too, but when they do lead devs actually take to the forums and engage in actual discussions with the community regarding their decisions, not a post saying "this is what I did, its good, trust me". I have been playing WoW and Overwatch a lot recently because I'm just so burnt out on ESO and the cheating thing and subsequent lack of real punishment really broke my desire to play anymore. There was a video of the guy thats in third or fourth place on the AD leaderboard for TF spamming banners around the trans at the AD gates yet somehow he is still playing, FFS ZOS. I find it very sad that on my drastically under geared Fury Warrior (672 ilvl) and getting rekt quite often, I'm getting a more satisfying PvP experience than I do in ESO where I have multiple characters fully geared in full legendaries.

Meanwhile Blizzard had the worst cheating issues of any MMO and they had them for years. They had more serious problems than ESO currently has (or ever had) and they had them for like a long time.

It was bad... it was bots in every zone bad. It was entire 40 mans in their battlegrounds consisting of 38 bots bad.

They eventually rolled out Warden... after doing nothing for years. They initially tried to use GM enforcement, but once you reach a critical mass of cheating... that no longer is effective.

Ghost-Shot

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Lord-Stien wrote: »

Heads UP... Looks like a some of the banned players are back...

Saw a couple names today ...

If the number of bans is lower than 43, currently, I doubt we will hear anything more from them on this matter. That would just enrage the community.

It is unfortunately. Those 43 bans were not 43 'perma bans' as stated. In fact - they werent even handed out as such. They were 43 "3 day bans while they investigated". Many were investigated and lifted. Others were decided upon to be perma bans after the investigationg.

For example, they banned people that were just emps and ulting 'too much'. Additionally, there were people that used that software and were not banned. Those 2 things together really diminish that message - but Im trying to look past it at this point.

No. No looking past it. ZOS will carry this with them like aoe caps, Wrobel, prox det, vet levels, and every other failed decision they've made. Compare Blizzard's response to ESO's below. No one expects ZOS to stop amateur hour, we all know better, but that doesn't mean we should stop bringing it up and shaming ZOS.

http://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-cheaters-are-having-a-hard-time/

PCGamer also usually has an intense chubby for anything Blizzard. It's possible the media company that owns PCG, receives a large sum of "marketing" cash.

Either way, a CPU ID based ban sounds dangerous yet effective.

Maybe that's because Blizzard are objectively one of the best game development studios around right now and certainly leagues above ZOS. They make mistakes too, but when they do lead devs actually take to the forums and engage in actual discussions with the community regarding their decisions, not a post saying "this is what I did, its good, trust me". I have been playing WoW and Overwatch a lot recently because I'm just so burnt out on ESO and the cheating thing and subsequent lack of real punishment really broke my desire to play anymore. There was a video of the guy thats in third or fourth place on the AD leaderboard for TF spamming banners around the trans at the AD gates yet somehow he is still playing, FFS ZOS. I find it very sad that on my drastically under geared Fury Warrior (672 ilvl) and getting rekt quite often, I'm getting a more satisfying PvP experience than I do in ESO where I have multiple characters fully geared in full legendaries.

Meanwhile Blizzard had the worst cheating issues of any MMO and they had them for years. They had more serious problems than ESO currently has (or ever had) and they had them for like a long time.

It was bad... it was bots in every zone bad. It was entire 40 mans in their battlegrounds consisting of 38 bots bad.

They eventually rolled out Warden... after doing nothing for years. They initially tried to use GM enforcement, but once you reach a critical mass of cheating... that no longer is effective.

Yeah they did have those issues, but if things like that have already been solved (somewhat) by other studios ZOS loses pretty much any excuses to not have sufficient anti-cheat software in place. And my issue is not the existence of cheating, it would be ignorant to think it wont exist at all. My issue is how easy it is to do and how little punishment was done. Just about a year ago Blizzard banned around 100,000 accounts in one shot for botting/hacking, ZOS gave out some temp bans and a couple perma bans, I only know of 2 that are confirmed perm bans, and didn't do a thing to some people who are in videos on these forums spamming their ultimates.

rfennell_ESO

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Lord-Stien wrote: »

Heads UP... Looks like a some of the banned players are back...

Saw a couple names today ...

If the number of bans is lower than 43, currently, I doubt we will hear anything more from them on this matter. That would just enrage the community.

It is unfortunately. Those 43 bans were not 43 'perma bans' as stated. In fact - they werent even handed out as such. They were 43 "3 day bans while they investigated". Many were investigated and lifted. Others were decided upon to be perma bans after the investigationg.

For example, they banned people that were just emps and ulting 'too much'. Additionally, there were people that used that software and were not banned. Those 2 things together really diminish that message - but Im trying to look past it at this point.

No. No looking past it. ZOS will carry this with them like aoe caps, Wrobel, prox det, vet levels, and every other failed decision they've made. Compare Blizzard's response to ESO's below. No one expects ZOS to stop amateur hour, we all know better, but that doesn't mean we should stop bringing it up and shaming ZOS.

http://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-cheaters-are-having-a-hard-time/

PCGamer also usually has an intense chubby for anything Blizzard. It's possible the media company that owns PCG, receives a large sum of "marketing" cash.

Either way, a CPU ID based ban sounds dangerous yet effective.

Maybe that's because Blizzard are objectively one of the best game development studios around right now and certainly leagues above ZOS. They make mistakes too, but when they do lead devs actually take to the forums and engage in actual discussions with the community regarding their decisions, not a post saying "this is what I did, its good, trust me". I have been playing WoW and Overwatch a lot recently because I'm just so burnt out on ESO and the cheating thing and subsequent lack of real punishment really broke my desire to play anymore. There was a video of the guy thats in third or fourth place on the AD leaderboard for TF spamming banners around the trans at the AD gates yet somehow he is still playing, FFS ZOS. I find it very sad that on my drastically under geared Fury Warrior (672 ilvl) and getting rekt quite often, I'm getting a more satisfying PvP experience than I do in ESO where I have multiple characters fully geared in full legendaries.

Meanwhile Blizzard had the worst cheating issues of any MMO and they had them for years. They had more serious problems than ESO currently has (or ever had) and they had them for like a long time.

It was bad... it was bots in every zone bad. It was entire 40 mans in their battlegrounds consisting of 38 bots bad.

They eventually rolled out Warden... after doing nothing for years. They initially tried to use GM enforcement, but once you reach a critical mass of cheating... that no longer is effective.

Yeah they did have those issues, but if things like that have already been solved (somewhat) by other studios ZOS loses pretty much any excuses to not have sufficient anti-cheat software in place. And my issue is not the existence of cheating, it would be ignorant to think it wont exist at all. My issue is how easy it is to do and how little punishment was done. Just about a year ago Blizzard banned around 100,000 accounts in one shot for botting/hacking, ZOS gave out some temp bans and a couple perma bans, I only know of 2 that are confirmed perm bans, and didn't do a thing to some people who are in videos on these forums spamming their ultimates.

I'm not excusing ZOS.

Merely pointing out that blizzard had a history of worse problems before they went to warden.

Diablo 1 and 2 had widespread memory hacks. Diablo 1 had such a glaring issue that you could just copy people that joined your game's gear.

You would figure ZOS might have been proactive about the game and cheaters... it doesn't seem they put a lot of thought into and now have to scramble to get up to speed.

Ghost-Shot

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Lord-Stien wrote: »

Heads UP... Looks like a some of the banned players are back...

Saw a couple names today ...

If the number of bans is lower than 43, currently, I doubt we will hear anything more from them on this matter. That would just enrage the community.

It is unfortunately. Those 43 bans were not 43 'perma bans' as stated. In fact - they werent even handed out as such. They were 43 "3 day bans while they investigated". Many were investigated and lifted. Others were decided upon to be perma bans after the investigationg.

For example, they banned people that were just emps and ulting 'too much'. Additionally, there were people that used that software and were not banned. Those 2 things together really diminish that message - but Im trying to look past it at this point.

No. No looking past it. ZOS will carry this with them like aoe caps, Wrobel, prox det, vet levels, and every other failed decision they've made. Compare Blizzard's response to ESO's below. No one expects ZOS to stop amateur hour, we all know better, but that doesn't mean we should stop bringing it up and shaming ZOS.

http://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-cheaters-are-having-a-hard-time/

PCGamer also usually has an intense chubby for anything Blizzard. It's possible the media company that owns PCG, receives a large sum of "marketing" cash.

Either way, a CPU ID based ban sounds dangerous yet effective.

Maybe that's because Blizzard are objectively one of the best game development studios around right now and certainly leagues above ZOS. They make mistakes too, but when they do lead devs actually take to the forums and engage in actual discussions with the community regarding their decisions, not a post saying "this is what I did, its good, trust me". I have been playing WoW and Overwatch a lot recently because I'm just so burnt out on ESO and the cheating thing and subsequent lack of real punishment really broke my desire to play anymore. There was a video of the guy thats in third or fourth place on the AD leaderboard for TF spamming banners around the trans at the AD gates yet somehow he is still playing, FFS ZOS. I find it very sad that on my drastically under geared Fury Warrior (672 ilvl) and getting rekt quite often, I'm getting a more satisfying PvP experience than I do in ESO where I have multiple characters fully geared in full legendaries.

Meanwhile Blizzard had the worst cheating issues of any MMO and they had them for years. They had more serious problems than ESO currently has (or ever had) and they had them for like a long time.

It was bad... it was bots in every zone bad. It was entire 40 mans in their battlegrounds consisting of 38 bots bad.

They eventually rolled out Warden... after doing nothing for years. They initially tried to use GM enforcement, but once you reach a critical mass of cheating... that no longer is effective.

Yeah they did have those issues, but if things like that have already been solved (somewhat) by other studios ZOS loses pretty much any excuses to not have sufficient anti-cheat software in place. And my issue is not the existence of cheating, it would be ignorant to think it wont exist at all. My issue is how easy it is to do and how little punishment was done. Just about a year ago Blizzard banned around 100,000 accounts in one shot for botting/hacking, ZOS gave out some temp bans and a couple perma bans, I only know of 2 that are confirmed perm bans, and didn't do a thing to some people who are in videos on these forums spamming their ultimates.

I'm not excusing ZOS.

Merely pointing out that blizzard had a history of worse problems before they went to warden.

Diablo 1 and 2 had widespread memory hacks. Diablo 1 had such a glaring issue that you could just copy people that joined your game's gear.

You would figure ZOS might have been proactive about the game and cheaters... it doesn't seem they put a lot of thought into and now have to scramble to get up to speed.

Exactly, m biggest issue is that blatant cheating like this is so easy to do in a game that released in 2014

Publius_Scipio

They wanted to be like FENGRUSH. When they realized it would require too much work they resorted to cheat engine and steroids.

Rohamad_Ali

No eta on gap closer fix . No eta on CE fix . No eta DK DL fix . No eta on Cyrodiil period . Fine !

Then I don't need it ! I don't need any of this stuff !

Except this /grabs Senche's leash . But that's all need .. I need this /grabs Vicious death set . The senche and the vicious death an that's all need . An that's all

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w2X3vVMdh-s

Publius_Scipio

Jessica responded to some posts on page 25 of the thread linked below.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/268218/zos-how-are-we-as-a-community-dealing-with-exploits-hacking#latest

Elsonso

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

You know, since (I assume) we as players don't have any hard evidence on all these "bans" that were handed out. Shouldn't we consider that ZOS did their investigation and found that no cheating occurred? Isn't that a possibility?

Back in 2014, I would have agreed with you. We did not know that the "ban hammer" was made of foam rubber back in 2014.

Today, the thought never even crossed my mind.

ZOS needs to be up-front about what is a bug/exploit and say so in places that are not buried deeply in some thread. They need to stop treating the ToS/CoS like some sort of gift from the gods; the ultimate authority regarding Right and Wrong that is plainly understood by everyone. They need to post exploits, say they are exploits, tell people they should not be doing it, identify those people who are doing it, WARN THEM, BAN them if they don't stop, and fix it. All in a timely manner.

They don't need to give us numbers. They don't need to tell us who they are banning. The just need to take action when exploits happen. They need communicate to the players in an easy to locate and consume manner. They need to take action to stop those who are doing it, including fixing the exploit.

I fear they lack the fortitude to communicate about exploits and ban those who are using them. I also fear they lack the technical ability and forensic knowledge to accurately identify those who are doing it. I also question whether they have the ability to fix any of this stuff in a timely manner.