rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »'
Kodi is a brilliant player, that's all there is to it.
Wait, spamming wrecking blow (faster than possible to boot) is brilliance?
Or is it the accidentally dodging all attacks part that's brilliant?
I bet the roll dodging 10 times in a row without ever running out of stamina part is the most brilliant.
The running off into the distance faster than everyone else can run is sheer brilliance I bet.rfennell_ESO wrote: »Ok a guy who somehow dodges attacks from 15 players at a time for duration, has a wrecking blow that seems faster than possible, a guy who can outrun you when you are a max speed, and who NEVER runs out of resources....
That's legit!
He's probably the most egregious of you all with it.
I know and have seen the bs from so many of you, all talking like you are innocent. Just because you and K survived the day 1 purging doesn't mean you are safe.
Oh me too now, lol okay. Not even the slightest idea of who you are, but like @Joy_Division said, your attitude is disgraceful and it's likely your gameplay is equally inferior.
To those of you who defended K, @Kilandros , @themdogesbite, @Caza99 , @Mako1132 , thank you. I recognize that because we are friends and play together often my defense can be sullied by how close I am to the situation. I greatly respect your willingness to provide insight from an outside perspective.
So, anyone else get a kick out of this one?
Show me a video of kodi dodge rolling 10 times *in a row* and not running out of stam and I'll give you all of my gold and mats.
Oh wait, that's right, you can't. Because no player with a brain would ever roll dodge ten times in a row to avoid damage. And anyone that would roll dodge ten times in a row would be OOS.
Hate to say it bro but l2p.
I should post the private message I got regarding you here.
But that would be both telling and denied on top of being something I wouldn't do. But anyways, blind trust of people is a weird thing. Weird as in usually wrong.
Like I said earlier the worst part of all this won't be all the people gone for a week while they level up a new account, but all the people on the right side of the bubble of bans by ZOS that will just claim it's proof they are innocent.
I don't have an ego to feed, a youtube channel to promote or a twitch handle in need of subs. I only have words, if you don't like them, that's just too freaking bad. But, not having an agenda that revolves about me me me is something many of you lack.
It's like some of you don't get that it was trivially easy to just cheat at everything due to what's been revealed. How you still have blind trust in people you don't really know is laughable.
P.S. calling me a baddie, l2p, salt orientated or the commiserate get gud means very little.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »'
Kodi is a brilliant player, that's all there is to it.
Wait, spamming wrecking blow (faster than possible to boot) is brilliance?
Or is it the accidentally dodging all attacks part that's brilliant?
I bet the roll dodging 10 times in a row without ever running out of stamina part is the most brilliant.
The running off into the distance faster than everyone else can run is sheer brilliance I bet.rfennell_ESO wrote: »Ok a guy who somehow dodges attacks from 15 players at a time for duration, has a wrecking blow that seems faster than possible, a guy who can outrun you when you are a max speed, and who NEVER runs out of resources....
That's legit!
He's probably the most egregious of you all with it.
I know and have seen the bs from so many of you, all talking like you are innocent. Just because you and K survived the day 1 purging doesn't mean you are safe.
Oh me too now, lol okay. Not even the slightest idea of who you are, but like @Joy_Division said, your attitude is disgraceful and it's likely your gameplay is equally inferior.
To those of you who defended K, @Kilandros , @themdogesbite, @Caza99 , @Mako1132 , thank you. I recognize that because we are friends and play together often my defense can be sullied by how close I am to the situation. I greatly respect your willingness to provide insight from an outside perspective.
So, anyone else get a kick out of this one?
Show me a video of kodi dodge rolling 10 times *in a row* and not running out of stam and I'll give you all of my gold and mats.
Oh wait, that's right, you can't. Because no player with a brain would ever roll dodge ten times in a row to avoid damage. And anyone that would roll dodge ten times in a row would be OOS.
Hate to say it bro but l2p.
I should post the private message I got regarding you here.
But that would be both telling and denied on top of being something I wouldn't do. But anyways, blind trust of people is a weird thing. Weird as in usually wrong.
Like I said earlier the worst part of all this won't be all the people gone for a week while they level up a new account, but all the people on the right side of the bubble of bans by ZOS that will just claim it's proof they are innocent.
I don't have an ego to feed, a youtube channel to promote or a twitch handle in need of subs. I only have words, if you don't like them, that's just too freaking bad. But, not having an agenda that revolves about me me me is something many of you lack.
It's like some of you don't get that it was trivially easy to just cheat at everything due to what's been revealed. How you still have blind trust in people you don't really know is laughable.
P.S. calling me a baddie, l2p, salt orientated or the commiserate get gud means very little.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »'
Kodi is a brilliant player, that's all there is to it.
Wait, spamming wrecking blow (faster than possible to boot) is brilliance?
Or is it the accidentally dodging all attacks part that's brilliant?
I bet the roll dodging 10 times in a row without ever running out of stamina part is the most brilliant.
The running off into the distance faster than everyone else can run is sheer brilliance I bet.rfennell_ESO wrote: »Ok a guy who somehow dodges attacks from 15 players at a time for duration, has a wrecking blow that seems faster than possible, a guy who can outrun you when you are a max speed, and who NEVER runs out of resources....
That's legit!
He's probably the most egregious of you all with it.
I know and have seen the bs from so many of you, all talking like you are innocent. Just because you and K survived the day 1 purging doesn't mean you are safe.
Oh me too now, lol okay. Not even the slightest idea of who you are, but like @Joy_Division said, your attitude is disgraceful and it's likely your gameplay is equally inferior.
To those of you who defended K, @Kilandros , @themdogesbite, @Caza99 , @Mako1132 , thank you. I recognize that because we are friends and play together often my defense can be sullied by how close I am to the situation. I greatly respect your willingness to provide insight from an outside perspective.
So, anyone else get a kick out of this one?
Show me a video of kodi dodge rolling 10 times *in a row* and not running out of stam and I'll give you all of my gold and mats.
Oh wait, that's right, you can't. Because no player with a brain would ever roll dodge ten times in a row to avoid damage. And anyone that would roll dodge ten times in a row would be OOS.
Hate to say it bro but l2p.
I should post the private message I got regarding you here.
But that would be both telling and denied on top of being something I wouldn't do. But anyways, blind trust of people is a weird thing. Weird as in usually wrong.
Like I said earlier the worst part of all this won't be all the people gone for a week while they level up a new account, but all the people on the right side of the bubble of bans by ZOS that will just claim it's proof they are innocent.
I don't have an ego to feed, a youtube channel to promote or a twitch handle in need of subs. I only have words, if you don't like them, that's just too freaking bad. But, not having an agenda that revolves about me me me is something many of you lack.
It's like some of you don't get that it was trivially easy to just cheat at everything due to what's been revealed. How you still have blind trust in people you don't really know is laughable.
P.S. calling me a baddie, l2p, salt orientated or the commiserate get gud means very little.
What ego do I have to feed? I don't even play the game anymore except to log on and talk to some friends. I'm only here because the topic interests me and certain things need saying from time to time. And here I say, unless he is banned, Kodi is innocent.
Your agenda is all about me me me. What purpose do you have other than to continue posting to draw attention to yourself? If you have something to say, say it and be done with it. You have nothing to say. The only thing you're good for in this life is to make anonymous posts claiming someone better at a game than you is hacking. That's pretty sad.
Show me proof that he's hacking, or shut up.
HeroOfNone wrote: »Accusations are best left to ZOS to investigate and address, despite what you might think about them they are a neutral 3rd party ro the game and less likely to call "cheater!" On someone because they got killed one too many times. This is the reason the naming & shaming rule is good, to prevent baseless accusation without hard evidence. That said, I don't think it should protect players caught cheating from public scrutiny.
As for cheaters not being good players or visa versa, as a prior admin from counter strike and natural selection servers I can tell you that it's more common than you'd think. Good players would come into a server and establish a name for themselves. Once established they would test the waters with minor hacks during hours they thought no one was looking, using subtle exploits. A few of them that would take the time to appeal their ban and explain why they did it, it typically went "I just wanted to have a little bit of fun", "I just wanted to test it", and "well the rest of the players are using cheats too". I only had one guy cut through the *** excuses and give me what I consider the truth "I wanted to have every possible advantage to win"
Regardless of the reason, it's told me that no one is above using hacks or cheats. It's just more obvious with bad players. You should always be critical of players and fill out a report of anyone suspicious, especially the good ones because it will be that much harder to spot.
Fill out a customer service ticket if you're suspicious or if your have hard evidence. Worst thing is ZOS ignores you, which you PVPers should be used to by now.
HeroOfNone wrote: »Accusations are best left to ZOS to investigate and address, despite what you might think about them they are a neutral 3rd party ro the game and less likely to call "cheater!" On someone because they got killed one too many times. This is the reason the naming & shaming rule is good, to prevent baseless accusation without hard evidence. That said, I don't think it should protect players caught cheating from public scrutiny.
As for cheaters not being good players or visa versa, as a prior admin from counter strike and natural selection servers I can tell you that it's more common than you'd think. Good players would come into a server and establish a name for themselves. Once established they would test the waters with minor hacks during hours they thought no one was looking, using subtle exploits. A few of them that would take the time to appeal their ban and explain why they did it, it typically went "I just wanted to have a little bit of fun", "I just wanted to test it", and "well the rest of the players are using cheats too". I only had one guy cut through the *** excuses and give me what I consider the truth "I wanted to have every possible advantage to win"
Regardless of the reason, it's told me that no one is above using hacks or cheats. It's just more obvious with bad players. You should always be critical of players and fill out a report of anyone suspicious, especially the good ones because it will be that much harder to spot.
Fill out a customer service ticket if you're suspicious or if your have hard evidence. Worst thing is ZOS ignores you, which you PVPers should be used to by now.
I understand the shaming and naming policy in the sense of not accepting players randomly speculating on players without proofs to back it up. What I don't understand is why Zenimax could not provide a list of people who got banned (people who are obviously wrong 99.9%). That would help to spot those same players and report their bad behaviours once they get a new account and make sure they are handled quickly.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »'
Kodi is a brilliant player, that's all there is to it.
Wait, spamming wrecking blow (faster than possible to boot) is brilliance?
Or is it the accidentally dodging all attacks part that's brilliant?
I bet the roll dodging 10 times in a row without ever running out of stamina part is the most brilliant.
The running off into the distance faster than everyone else can run is sheer brilliance I bet.rfennell_ESO wrote: »Ok a guy who somehow dodges attacks from 15 players at a time for duration, has a wrecking blow that seems faster than possible, a guy who can outrun you when you are a max speed, and who NEVER runs out of resources....
That's legit!
He's probably the most egregious of you all with it.
I know and have seen the bs from so many of you, all talking like you are innocent. Just because you and K survived the day 1 purging doesn't mean you are safe.
Oh me too now, lol okay. Not even the slightest idea of who you are, but like @Joy_Division said, your attitude is disgraceful and it's likely your gameplay is equally inferior.
To those of you who defended K, @Kilandros , @themdogesbite, @Caza99 , @Mako1132 , thank you. I recognize that because we are friends and play together often my defense can be sullied by how close I am to the situation. I greatly respect your willingness to provide insight from an outside perspective.
So, anyone else get a kick out of this one?
Show me a video of kodi dodge rolling 10 times *in a row* and not running out of stam and I'll give you all of my gold and mats.
Oh wait, that's right, you can't. Because no player with a brain would ever roll dodge ten times in a row to avoid damage. And anyone that would roll dodge ten times in a row would be OOS.
Hate to say it bro but l2p.
I should post the private message I got regarding you here.
But that would be both telling and denied on top of being something I wouldn't do. But anyways, blind trust of people is a weird thing. Weird as in usually wrong.
Like I said earlier the worst part of all this won't be all the people gone for a week while they level up a new account, but all the people on the right side of the bubble of bans by ZOS that will just claim it's proof they are innocent.
I don't have an ego to feed, a youtube channel to promote or a twitch handle in need of subs. I only have words, if you don't like them, that's just too freaking bad. But, not having an agenda that revolves about me me me is something many of you lack.
It's like some of you don't get that it was trivially easy to just cheat at everything due to what's been revealed. How you still have blind trust in people you don't really know is laughable.
P.S. calling me a baddie, l2p, salt orientated or the commiserate get gud means very little.
What ego do I have to feed? I don't even play the game anymore except to log on and talk to some friends. I'm only here because the topic interests me and certain things need saying from time to time. And here I say, unless he is banned, Kodi is innocent.
Your agenda is all about me me me. What purpose do you have other than to continue posting to draw attention to yourself? If you have something to say, say it and be done with it. You have nothing to say. The only thing you're good for in this life is to make anonymous posts claiming someone better at a game than you is hacking. That's pretty sad.
Show me proof that he's hacking, or shut up.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »'
Kodi is a brilliant player, that's all there is to it.
Wait, spamming wrecking blow (faster than possible to boot) is brilliance?
Or is it the accidentally dodging all attacks part that's brilliant?
I bet the roll dodging 10 times in a row without ever running out of stamina part is the most brilliant.
The running off into the distance faster than everyone else can run is sheer brilliance I bet.rfennell_ESO wrote: »Ok a guy who somehow dodges attacks from 15 players at a time for duration, has a wrecking blow that seems faster than possible, a guy who can outrun you when you are a max speed, and who NEVER runs out of resources....
That's legit!
He's probably the most egregious of you all with it.
I know and have seen the bs from so many of you, all talking like you are innocent. Just because you and K survived the day 1 purging doesn't mean you are safe.
Oh me too now, lol okay. Not even the slightest idea of who you are, but like @Joy_Division said, your attitude is disgraceful and it's likely your gameplay is equally inferior.
To those of you who defended K, @Kilandros , @themdogesbite, @Caza99 , @Mako1132 , thank you. I recognize that because we are friends and play together often my defense can be sullied by how close I am to the situation. I greatly respect your willingness to provide insight from an outside perspective.
So, anyone else get a kick out of this one?
Show me a video of kodi dodge rolling 10 times *in a row* and not running out of stam and I'll give you all of my gold and mats.
Oh wait, that's right, you can't. Because no player with a brain would ever roll dodge ten times in a row to avoid damage. And anyone that would roll dodge ten times in a row would be OOS.
Hate to say it bro but l2p.
I should post the private message I got regarding you here.
But that would be both telling and denied on top of being something I wouldn't do. But anyways, blind trust of people is a weird thing. Weird as in usually wrong.
Like I said earlier the worst part of all this won't be all the people gone for a week while they level up a new account, but all the people on the right side of the bubble of bans by ZOS that will just claim it's proof they are innocent.
I don't have an ego to feed, a youtube channel to promote or a twitch handle in need of subs. I only have words, if you don't like them, that's just too freaking bad. But, not having an agenda that revolves about me me me is something many of you lack.
It's like some of you don't get that it was trivially easy to just cheat at everything due to what's been revealed. How you still have blind trust in people you don't really know is laughable.
P.S. calling me a baddie, l2p, salt orientated or the commiserate get gud means very little.
What ego do I have to feed? I don't even play the game anymore except to log on and talk to some friends. I'm only here because the topic interests me and certain things need saying from time to time. And here I say, unless he is banned, Kodi is innocent.
Your agenda is all about me me me. What purpose do you have other than to continue posting to draw attention to yourself? If you have something to say, say it and be done with it. You have nothing to say. The only thing you're good for in this life is to make anonymous posts claiming someone better at a game than you is hacking. That's pretty sad.
Show me proof that he's hacking, or shut up.
It's like the education system failed giving out all those gold stars and this is what we end up with.
P.S. Those participation trophies aren't actually trophies.
Ghost-Shot wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »'
Kodi is a brilliant player, that's all there is to it.
Wait, spamming wrecking blow (faster than possible to boot) is brilliance?
Or is it the accidentally dodging all attacks part that's brilliant?
I bet the roll dodging 10 times in a row without ever running out of stamina part is the most brilliant.
The running off into the distance faster than everyone else can run is sheer brilliance I bet.rfennell_ESO wrote: »Ok a guy who somehow dodges attacks from 15 players at a time for duration, has a wrecking blow that seems faster than possible, a guy who can outrun you when you are a max speed, and who NEVER runs out of resources....
That's legit!
He's probably the most egregious of you all with it.
I know and have seen the bs from so many of you, all talking like you are innocent. Just because you and K survived the day 1 purging doesn't mean you are safe.
Oh me too now, lol okay. Not even the slightest idea of who you are, but like @Joy_Division said, your attitude is disgraceful and it's likely your gameplay is equally inferior.
To those of you who defended K, @Kilandros , @themdogesbite, @Caza99 , @Mako1132 , thank you. I recognize that because we are friends and play together often my defense can be sullied by how close I am to the situation. I greatly respect your willingness to provide insight from an outside perspective.
So, anyone else get a kick out of this one?
Show me a video of kodi dodge rolling 10 times *in a row* and not running out of stam and I'll give you all of my gold and mats.
Oh wait, that's right, you can't. Because no player with a brain would ever roll dodge ten times in a row to avoid damage. And anyone that would roll dodge ten times in a row would be OOS.
Hate to say it bro but l2p.
I should post the private message I got regarding you here.
But that would be both telling and denied on top of being something I wouldn't do. But anyways, blind trust of people is a weird thing. Weird as in usually wrong.
Like I said earlier the worst part of all this won't be all the people gone for a week while they level up a new account, but all the people on the right side of the bubble of bans by ZOS that will just claim it's proof they are innocent.
I don't have an ego to feed, a youtube channel to promote or a twitch handle in need of subs. I only have words, if you don't like them, that's just too freaking bad. But, not having an agenda that revolves about me me me is something many of you lack.
It's like some of you don't get that it was trivially easy to just cheat at everything due to what's been revealed. How you still have blind trust in people you don't really know is laughable.
P.S. calling me a baddie, l2p, salt orientated or the commiserate get gud means very little.
What ego do I have to feed? I don't even play the game anymore except to log on and talk to some friends. I'm only here because the topic interests me and certain things need saying from time to time. And here I say, unless he is banned, Kodi is innocent.
Your agenda is all about me me me. What purpose do you have other than to continue posting to draw attention to yourself? If you have something to say, say it and be done with it. You have nothing to say. The only thing you're good for in this life is to make anonymous posts claiming someone better at a game than you is hacking. That's pretty sad.
Show me proof that he's hacking, or shut up.
It's like the education system failed giving out all those gold stars and this is what we end up with.
P.S. Those participation trophies aren't actually trophies.
You must lose quite often.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »'
Kodi is a brilliant player, that's all there is to it.
Wait, spamming wrecking blow (faster than possible to boot) is brilliance?
Or is it the accidentally dodging all attacks part that's brilliant?
I bet the roll dodging 10 times in a row without ever running out of stamina part is the most brilliant.
The running off into the distance faster than everyone else can run is sheer brilliance I bet.rfennell_ESO wrote: »Ok a guy who somehow dodges attacks from 15 players at a time for duration, has a wrecking blow that seems faster than possible, a guy who can outrun you when you are a max speed, and who NEVER runs out of resources....
That's legit!
He's probably the most egregious of you all with it.
I know and have seen the bs from so many of you, all talking like you are innocent. Just because you and K survived the day 1 purging doesn't mean you are safe.
Oh me too now, lol okay. Not even the slightest idea of who you are, but like @Joy_Division said, your attitude is disgraceful and it's likely your gameplay is equally inferior.
To those of you who defended K, @Kilandros , @themdogesbite, @Caza99 , @Mako1132 , thank you. I recognize that because we are friends and play together often my defense can be sullied by how close I am to the situation. I greatly respect your willingness to provide insight from an outside perspective.
So, anyone else get a kick out of this one?
Show me a video of kodi dodge rolling 10 times *in a row* and not running out of stam and I'll give you all of my gold and mats.
Oh wait, that's right, you can't. Because no player with a brain would ever roll dodge ten times in a row to avoid damage. And anyone that would roll dodge ten times in a row would be OOS.
Hate to say it bro but l2p.
I should post the private message I got regarding you here.
But that would be both telling and denied on top of being something I wouldn't do. But anyways, blind trust of people is a weird thing. Weird as in usually wrong.
Like I said earlier the worst part of all this won't be all the people gone for a week while they level up a new account, but all the people on the right side of the bubble of bans by ZOS that will just claim it's proof they are innocent.
I don't have an ego to feed, a youtube channel to promote or a twitch handle in need of subs. I only have words, if you don't like them, that's just too freaking bad. But, not having an agenda that revolves about me me me is something many of you lack.
It's like some of you don't get that it was trivially easy to just cheat at everything due to what's been revealed. How you still have blind trust in people you don't really know is laughable.
P.S. calling me a baddie, l2p, salt orientated or the commiserate get gud means very little.
What ego do I have to feed? I don't even play the game anymore except to log on and talk to some friends. I'm only here because the topic interests me and certain things need saying from time to time. And here I say, unless he is banned, Kodi is innocent.
Your agenda is all about me me me. What purpose do you have other than to continue posting to draw attention to yourself? If you have something to say, say it and be done with it. You have nothing to say. The only thing you're good for in this life is to make anonymous posts claiming someone better at a game than you is hacking. That's pretty sad.
Show me proof that he's hacking, or shut up.
It's like the education system failed giving out all those gold stars and this is what we end up with.
P.S. Those participation trophies aren't actually trophies.
You must lose quite often.
I bet you have a collection of trophies
Publius_Scipio wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »I can see both sides of this argument.
ZOS side: what those cheaters did ruined the enjoyment of many players and violated terms. Not only that, it also hurt the reputation of the game and now everyone knows what program they can use to cheat. I have found myself tempted to give it a try in some PvE. (Especially after seeing so may people's vMA builds that suggest to do it using Maelstrom arena weapons. So, my build should include time travel?)
Cheater side: cheating issues only get attention when they have a major, obvious impact on the game and lot's of people are currently getting away with hard to prove cheating. ZOS might have been thinking that it is too expensive to fix the cheating situation and the ult spammers felt that the game was being ruined by the subtle cheaters so they decided to make it that ZOS was forced to deal with the problem. At the very least, maybe they would pay more attention to reports about people doing seemingly impossible things.
Sorry my good man, but cheating is an issue because the chump behind the keyboard makes the decision to cheat.
ESO could have all the holes in its code to allow cheating. if 100% of its player base did not cheat because THE PLAYER THEMSELVES made the choice not to cheat, well then, cheating wouldn't be an issue.
The past exists only in our memories, the future only in our plans. The present is our only reality. The tree that you are aware of intellectually, because of that small time lag, is always in the past and therefore is always unreal. Any intellectually conceived object is always in the past and therefore unreal. Reality is always the moment of vision before the intellectualization takes place. There is no other reality. - Robert M. Pirsig
timidobserver wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/268389/a-message-from-zazeer-hacking#latest
After reading this thread from Zazeer, I have to say that I agree with him. To the point that I think he should be unbanned and any gkicks rescinded. Given a choice between a dude running around spamming ultimates and a bunch of L2P screaming batmans running around being subtly faster, with subtly better stats, with subtly better resource sustain, with subtly better animation cancelling, and taking sutbly less damage, I am going to go with the dude spamming ultimates. It demonstrates the problem and gives the issue enough exposure that ignoring it is not a valid response.
Since everybody has been choosing the blue pill on this, Zaz decided to force feed everybody the red pill.
Lucifer_Malice wrote: »I have only seen a handful of scroll runners out of thousands since launch running without a hack. Even with pots, cp, sets, rapids, or whatever they shouldn't have perma-stam/where'd he go speed outrunning everyone on maxxed out mounts. Also no matter skill level a group of three people no matter the skill level "elite" or novice should be able to wipe 30+ experienced PvP groups. Saying they are just that good is insane and you're saying that 1% of the players are 100% better than the rest. C'mon, bro. Everyone pretty much runs exact same build/skill set for each class and uses same rotations. Playing field should be a little more level than it is if these "elites" are playing fair.
themdogesbite wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »I have only seen a handful of scroll runners out of thousands since launch running without a hack. Even with pots, cp, sets, rapids, or whatever they shouldn't have perma-stam/where'd he go speed outrunning everyone on maxxed out mounts. Also no matter skill level a group of three people no matter the skill level "elite" or novice should be able to wipe 30+ experienced PvP groups. Saying they are just that good is insane and you're saying that 1% of the players are 100% better than the rest. C'mon, bro. Everyone pretty much runs exact same build/skill set for each class and uses same rotations. Playing field should be a little more level than it is if these "elites" are playing fair.
Never cheated, still reking faces since day one.
The past exists only in our memories, the future only in our plans. The present is our only reality. The tree that you are aware of intellectually, because of that small time lag, is always in the past and therefore is always unreal. Any intellectually conceived object is always in the past and therefore unreal. Reality is always the moment of vision before the intellectualization takes place. There is no other reality. - Robert M. Pirsig
DaveMoeDee wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »I can see both sides of this argument.
ZOS side: what those cheaters did ruined the enjoyment of many players and violated terms. Not only that, it also hurt the reputation of the game and now everyone knows what program they can use to cheat. I have found myself tempted to give it a try in some PvE. (Especially after seeing so may people's vMA builds that suggest to do it using Maelstrom arena weapons. So, my build should include time travel?)
Cheater side: cheating issues only get attention when they have a major, obvious impact on the game and lot's of people are currently getting away with hard to prove cheating. ZOS might have been thinking that it is too expensive to fix the cheating situation and the ult spammers felt that the game was being ruined by the subtle cheaters so they decided to make it that ZOS was forced to deal with the problem. At the very least, maybe they would pay more attention to reports about people doing seemingly impossible things.
Sorry my good man, but cheating is an issue because the chump behind the keyboard makes the decision to cheat.
ESO could have all the holes in its code to allow cheating. if 100% of its player base did not cheat because THE PLAYER THEMSELVES made the choice not to cheat, well then, cheating wouldn't be an issue.
This is a poor argument.
If my credit card number gets stolen because a company gets hacked, the company doesn't share the blame for not securing their system?
There are going to be hackers are there are going to be cheaters. Companies needs to spend money to decrease their risk, regardless of their industry. They try to balance the costs of security with their perception of the chance that they get compromised. There is always a way to improve security, but it requires money, overhead, and restrictions. These impact usability and cost. It is fair to critique a company if you think they neglected risk management for bigger margins.
Personally, I am willing to accept some level of exploits over even worse performance, but I am not a competitive gamer.
So, yes, cheating is a problem because people choose to cheat. It is also a problem because developers leave vulnerabilities. Fix either side of that equation and we have no cheating. Unfortunately, we know that there will always be cheaters and we know that there will always be vulnerabilities. So companies are forced to make judgment calls on how much attention to focus on vulnerabilities while remaining profitable.
Lucifer_Malice wrote: »I have only seen a handful of scroll runners out of thousands since launch running without a hack. Even with pots, cp, sets, rapids, or whatever they shouldn't have perma-stam/where'd he go speed outrunning everyone on maxxed out mounts. Also no matter skill level a group of three people no matter the skill level "elite" or novice should be able to wipe 30+ experienced PvP groups. Saying they are just that good is insane and you're saying that 1% of the players are 100% better than the rest. C'mon, bro. Everyone pretty much runs exact same build/skill set for each class and uses same rotations. Playing field should be a little more level than it is if these "elites" are playing fair.
Lucifer_Malice wrote: »I have only seen a handful of scroll runners out of thousands since launch running without a hack. Even with pots, cp, sets, rapids, or whatever they shouldn't have perma-stam/where'd he go speed outrunning everyone on maxxed out mounts. Also no matter skill level a group of three people no matter the skill level "elite" or novice should be able to wipe 30+ experienced PvP groups. Saying they are just that good is insane and you're saying that 1% of the players are 100% better than the rest. C'mon, bro. Everyone pretty much runs exact same build/skill set for each class and uses same rotations. Playing field should be a little more level than it is if these "elites" are playing fair.
So what do you say when a group of 10 smokes 40+ repeatedly?
Are they cheating?
Just curious.
Lucifer_Malice wrote: »I have only seen a handful of scroll runners out of thousands since launch running without a hack. Even with pots, cp, sets, rapids, or whatever they shouldn't have perma-stam/where'd he go speed outrunning everyone on maxxed out mounts. Also no matter skill level a group of three people no matter the skill level "elite" or novice should be able to wipe 30+ experienced PvP groups. Saying they are just that good is insane and you're saying that 1% of the players are 100% better than the rest. C'mon, bro. Everyone pretty much runs exact same build/skill set for each class and uses same rotations. Playing field should be a little more level than it is if these "elites" are playing fair.
So what do you say when a group of 10 smokes 40+ repeatedly?
Are they cheating?
Just curious.
The past exists only in our memories, the future only in our plans. The present is our only reality. The tree that you are aware of intellectually, because of that small time lag, is always in the past and therefore is always unreal. Any intellectually conceived object is always in the past and therefore unreal. Reality is always the moment of vision before the intellectualization takes place. There is no other reality. - Robert M. Pirsig
Publius_Scipio wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »I can see both sides of this argument.
ZOS side: what those cheaters did ruined the enjoyment of many players and violated terms. Not only that, it also hurt the reputation of the game and now everyone knows what program they can use to cheat. I have found myself tempted to give it a try in some PvE. (Especially after seeing so may people's vMA builds that suggest to do it using Maelstrom arena weapons. So, my build should include time travel?)
Cheater side: cheating issues only get attention when they have a major, obvious impact on the game and lot's of people are currently getting away with hard to prove cheating. ZOS might have been thinking that it is too expensive to fix the cheating situation and the ult spammers felt that the game was being ruined by the subtle cheaters so they decided to make it that ZOS was forced to deal with the problem. At the very least, maybe they would pay more attention to reports about people doing seemingly impossible things.
Sorry my good man, but cheating is an issue because the chump behind the keyboard makes the decision to cheat.
ESO could have all the holes in its code to allow cheating. if 100% of its player base did not cheat because THE PLAYER THEMSELVES made the choice not to cheat, well then, cheating wouldn't be an issue.
This is a poor argument.
If my credit card number gets stolen because a company gets hacked, the company doesn't share the blame for not securing their system?
There are going to be hackers are there are going to be cheaters. Companies needs to spend money to decrease their risk, regardless of their industry. They try to balance the costs of security with their perception of the chance that they get compromised. There is always a way to improve security, but it requires money, overhead, and restrictions. These impact usability and cost. It is fair to critique a company if you think they neglected risk management for bigger margins.
Personally, I am willing to accept some level of exploits over even worse performance, but I am not a competitive gamer.
So, yes, cheating is a problem because people choose to cheat. It is also a problem because developers leave vulnerabilities. Fix either side of that equation and we have no cheating. Unfortunately, we know that there will always be cheaters and we know that there will always be vulnerabilities. So companies are forced to make judgment calls on how much attention to focus on vulnerabilities while remaining profitable.
I don't understand. All I said is that cheating is an issue because people choose to cheat. I never said ZOS doesn't have a responsibility to their player base on doing everything they can to prevent and catch any cheating.
If people didn't hack credit card companies your credit card wouldn't be in danger. The issue is always that there are individuals looking to do the wrong thing, as I said. Never said credit card company doesn't have a responsibility to secure your data.
This issue, many issues in this world, all start because there are scummy people.
Publius_Scipio wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »I have only seen a handful of scroll runners out of thousands since launch running without a hack. Even with pots, cp, sets, rapids, or whatever they shouldn't have perma-stam/where'd he go speed outrunning everyone on maxxed out mounts. Also no matter skill level a group of three people no matter the skill level "elite" or novice should be able to wipe 30+ experienced PvP groups. Saying they are just that good is insane and you're saying that 1% of the players are 100% better than the rest. C'mon, bro. Everyone pretty much runs exact same build/skill set for each class and uses same rotations. Playing field should be a little more level than it is if these "elites" are playing fair.
So what do you say when a group of 10 smokes 40+ repeatedly?
Are they cheating?
Just curious.
The real answer is that it depends. Maybe they are cheaters maybe they aren't. Can't say one way or another without evidence proving one way or another.
That's why it's imperitive that ZOS does absolutely everything they can to assure us all that hacking is no long possible in ESO, or that hacking would be difficult and very very unlikely. With those odds giving us all a clean playing field then we can move forward in good faith.
Right now we only know of the people that out in the open egregiously cheated. Many here have speculated at very subtle cheating that goes undetected but makes a world of difference character stat wise.
DaveMoeDee wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »DaveMoeDee wrote: »I can see both sides of this argument.
ZOS side: what those cheaters did ruined the enjoyment of many players and violated terms. Not only that, it also hurt the reputation of the game and now everyone knows what program they can use to cheat. I have found myself tempted to give it a try in some PvE. (Especially after seeing so may people's vMA builds that suggest to do it using Maelstrom arena weapons. So, my build should include time travel?)
Cheater side: cheating issues only get attention when they have a major, obvious impact on the game and lot's of people are currently getting away with hard to prove cheating. ZOS might have been thinking that it is too expensive to fix the cheating situation and the ult spammers felt that the game was being ruined by the subtle cheaters so they decided to make it that ZOS was forced to deal with the problem. At the very least, maybe they would pay more attention to reports about people doing seemingly impossible things.
Sorry my good man, but cheating is an issue because the chump behind the keyboard makes the decision to cheat.
ESO could have all the holes in its code to allow cheating. if 100% of its player base did not cheat because THE PLAYER THEMSELVES made the choice not to cheat, well then, cheating wouldn't be an issue.
This is a poor argument.
If my credit card number gets stolen because a company gets hacked, the company doesn't share the blame for not securing their system?
There are going to be hackers are there are going to be cheaters. Companies needs to spend money to decrease their risk, regardless of their industry. They try to balance the costs of security with their perception of the chance that they get compromised. There is always a way to improve security, but it requires money, overhead, and restrictions. These impact usability and cost. It is fair to critique a company if you think they neglected risk management for bigger margins.
Personally, I am willing to accept some level of exploits over even worse performance, but I am not a competitive gamer.
So, yes, cheating is a problem because people choose to cheat. It is also a problem because developers leave vulnerabilities. Fix either side of that equation and we have no cheating. Unfortunately, we know that there will always be cheaters and we know that there will always be vulnerabilities. So companies are forced to make judgment calls on how much attention to focus on vulnerabilities while remaining profitable.
Lucifer_Malice wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »I have only seen a handful of scroll runners out of thousands since launch running without a hack. Even with pots, cp, sets, rapids, or whatever they shouldn't have perma-stam/where'd he go speed outrunning everyone on maxxed out mounts. Also no matter skill level a group of three people no matter the skill level "elite" or novice should be able to wipe 30+ experienced PvP groups. Saying they are just that good is insane and you're saying that 1% of the players are 100% better than the rest. C'mon, bro. Everyone pretty much runs exact same build/skill set for each class and uses same rotations. Playing field should be a little more level than it is if these "elites" are playing fair.
So what do you say when a group of 10 smokes 40+ repeatedly?
Are they cheating?
Just curious.
10 experienced v 40 experienced?
Would have to say cheating, but that happening would make more sense with synergy, ward ally/etc abilites, but thats not where my post was going. My post is unlimited resources for 3 and them "smoking" 30. With that post there is no debate to be had.
Publius_Scipio wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »I have only seen a handful of scroll runners out of thousands since launch running without a hack. Even with pots, cp, sets, rapids, or whatever they shouldn't have perma-stam/where'd he go speed outrunning everyone on maxxed out mounts. Also no matter skill level a group of three people no matter the skill level "elite" or novice should be able to wipe 30+ experienced PvP groups. Saying they are just that good is insane and you're saying that 1% of the players are 100% better than the rest. C'mon, bro. Everyone pretty much runs exact same build/skill set for each class and uses same rotations. Playing field should be a little more level than it is if these "elites" are playing fair.
So what do you say when a group of 10 smokes 40+ repeatedly?
Are they cheating?
Just curious.
The real answer is that it depends. Maybe they are cheaters maybe they aren't. Can't say one way or another without evidence proving one way or another.
That's why it's imperitive that ZOS does absolutely everything they can to assure us all that hacking is no long possible in ESO, or that hacking would be difficult and very very unlikely. With those odds giving us all a clean playing field then we can move forward in good faith.
Right now we only know of the people that out in the open egregiously cheated. Many here have speculated at very subtle cheating that goes undetected but makes a world of difference character stat wise.
themdogesbite wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »I have only seen a handful of scroll runners out of thousands since launch running without a hack. Even with pots, cp, sets, rapids, or whatever they shouldn't have perma-stam/where'd he go speed outrunning everyone on maxxed out mounts. Also no matter skill level a group of three people no matter the skill level "elite" or novice should be able to wipe 30+ experienced PvP groups. Saying they are just that good is insane and you're saying that 1% of the players are 100% better than the rest. C'mon, bro. Everyone pretty much runs exact same build/skill set for each class and uses same rotations. Playing field should be a little more level than it is if these "elites" are playing fair.
So what do you say when a group of 10 smokes 40+ repeatedly?
Are they cheating?
Just curious.
10 experienced v 40 experienced?
Would have to say cheating, but that happening would make more sense with synergy, ward ally/etc abilites, but thats not where my post was going. My post is unlimited resources for 3 and them "smoking" 30. With that post there is no debate to be had.
In group on sorc i usually play seducer and 3x cost reduction, thats more or less infinite resources togheter with CPs. Am i cheating cause i know how to manage my resources?..
The past exists only in our memories, the future only in our plans. The present is our only reality. The tree that you are aware of intellectually, because of that small time lag, is always in the past and therefore is always unreal. Any intellectually conceived object is always in the past and therefore unreal. Reality is always the moment of vision before the intellectualization takes place. There is no other reality. - Robert M. Pirsig
Lucifer_Malice wrote: »themdogesbite wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »I have only seen a handful of scroll runners out of thousands since launch running without a hack. Even with pots, cp, sets, rapids, or whatever they shouldn't have perma-stam/where'd he go speed outrunning everyone on maxxed out mounts. Also no matter skill level a group of three people no matter the skill level "elite" or novice should be able to wipe 30+ experienced PvP groups. Saying they are just that good is insane and you're saying that 1% of the players are 100% better than the rest. C'mon, bro. Everyone pretty much runs exact same build/skill set for each class and uses same rotations. Playing field should be a little more level than it is if these "elites" are playing fair.
So what do you say when a group of 10 smokes 40+ repeatedly?
Are they cheating?
Just curious.
10 experienced v 40 experienced?
Would have to say cheating, but that happening would make more sense with synergy, ward ally/etc abilites, but thats not where my post was going. My post is unlimited resources for 3 and them "smoking" 30. With that post there is no debate to be had.
In group on sorc i usually play seducer and 3x cost reduction, thats more or less infinite resources togheter with CPs. Am i cheating cause i know how to manage my resources?..
I don't know. Is it? Where are you going with this?
themdogesbite wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »I have only seen a handful of scroll runners out of thousands since launch running without a hack. Even with pots, cp, sets, rapids, or whatever they shouldn't have perma-stam/where'd he go speed outrunning everyone on maxxed out mounts. Also no matter skill level a group of three people no matter the skill level "elite" or novice should be able to wipe 30+ experienced PvP groups. Saying they are just that good is insane and you're saying that 1% of the players are 100% better than the rest. C'mon, bro. Everyone pretty much runs exact same build/skill set for each class and uses same rotations. Playing field should be a little more level than it is if these "elites" are playing fair.
So what do you say when a group of 10 smokes 40+ repeatedly?
Are they cheating?
Just curious.
10 experienced v 40 experienced?
Would have to say cheating, but that happening would make more sense with synergy, ward ally/etc abilites, but thats not where my post was going. My post is unlimited resources for 3 and them "smoking" 30. With that post there is no debate to be had.
In group on sorc i usually play seducer and 3x cost reduction, thats more or less infinite resources togheter with CPs. Am i cheating cause i know how to manage my resources?..
themdogesbite wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »I have only seen a handful of scroll runners out of thousands since launch running without a hack. Even with pots, cp, sets, rapids, or whatever they shouldn't have perma-stam/where'd he go speed outrunning everyone on maxxed out mounts. Also no matter skill level a group of three people no matter the skill level "elite" or novice should be able to wipe 30+ experienced PvP groups. Saying they are just that good is insane and you're saying that 1% of the players are 100% better than the rest. C'mon, bro. Everyone pretty much runs exact same build/skill set for each class and uses same rotations. Playing field should be a little more level than it is if these "elites" are playing fair.
So what do you say when a group of 10 smokes 40+ repeatedly?
Are they cheating?
Just curious.
10 experienced v 40 experienced?
Would have to say cheating, but that happening would make more sense with synergy, ward ally/etc abilites, but thats not where my post was going. My post is unlimited resources for 3 and them "smoking" 30. With that post there is no debate to be had.
In group on sorc i usually play seducer and 3x cost reduction, thats more or less infinite resources togheter with CPs. Am i cheating cause i know how to manage my resources?..
Partly my point. The thing is - on Azura's (non CP) - my group when we reach 10 people - is easily able to take on 40+ and win regularly. I will grant you that not everyone on Azura's is "experienced" but we did this for well over 6 weeks making millions of AP in the process.
We make sure to weave staff attacks to refill magicka, use proxy det and time our ultimates and position them well and stay tight enough to get 3-4 PD's in an area - but not tight enough to get blasted in the same manner.
At the end of the day 10 people working together - knowing how each other plays - and timing abilities / communicating well are going to appear to be cheating to the standard "LFG" crowd based on a lot of what has happened publicly here and in private chat and other places like guild websites and the like, if they wipe out 2-3X their number on a regular basis. However, it has ALWAYS remained my argument that those 10 tightly co-ordinated people in a group that have been working together for years - should ALWAYS be able to wipe out 2-3X their number even if in the midst of that 2-3X their number there are 10 or so experienced PvPer's trying to lead the "LFG" crowd to victory.
Well, this raises an issue doesn't it?
themdogesbite wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »Lucifer_Malice wrote: »I have only seen a handful of scroll runners out of thousands since launch running without a hack. Even with pots, cp, sets, rapids, or whatever they shouldn't have perma-stam/where'd he go speed outrunning everyone on maxxed out mounts. Also no matter skill level a group of three people no matter the skill level "elite" or novice should be able to wipe 30+ experienced PvP groups. Saying they are just that good is insane and you're saying that 1% of the players are 100% better than the rest. C'mon, bro. Everyone pretty much runs exact same build/skill set for each class and uses same rotations. Playing field should be a little more level than it is if these "elites" are playing fair.
So what do you say when a group of 10 smokes 40+ repeatedly?
Are they cheating?
Just curious.
10 experienced v 40 experienced?
Would have to say cheating, but that happening would make more sense with synergy, ward ally/etc abilites, but thats not where my post was going. My post is unlimited resources for 3 and them "smoking" 30. With that post there is no debate to be had.
In group on sorc i usually play seducer and 3x cost reduction, thats more or less infinite resources togheter with CPs. Am i cheating cause i know how to manage my resources?..