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Non-Lorebreaking Mounts for the future?

  • VerboseQuips
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    That Echatere looks like a giant Rabbit, BTW the only reason I say the Dro-mathra Senche is Unlorefriendly is because of this and that is because it is an evil khajiit spirit, and no evil spirit would let you ride them and order them around.

    In the same way as Dremoras are all evil, without any exception, and considering themselves superior to mortal beings, in such a way that they would never let a mortal mage summon them and give them order, nor would Dremora ever feel the Compulsion to follow such orders. No, it never happened...
    Oompuh wrote: »
    If we really don't want to break lore, then only khajiits would be allowed to ride the senches. The only race a senche-tiger allows on its back is the proud feline Khajiit.

    I believe Ysmir rode a senche when he assaulted Ash mountain, or was that Jurgen Windcaller. I forget. It doesn't matter there is -some- precedent however small that more than khajiit have ridden senche.

    Wulfarth did indeed ride a Rhojiit, which is a now-(presumed)-extinct kind of Khajiit, the ancestors of Skyrim's sabertooth tigers. Here is the source material. I wouldn't mind riding a Rhojiit if a good explaination is provided of its presence in the Second Era.

    My characters:
    Main and crafter: A Breton magicka templar named Erwann Sorril
    Alt 1: A Bosmer sorcerer named Tuuneleg
    Alt 2: An Imperial dragonknight named Gaius Tullius Hastifer
    Alt 3: An Argonian vampire/nightblade named Observe-le-Xanmeer
    Alt 4: A Nord werewolf/dragonknight named Sigurd Hurlevent
    Alt 5: A Breton sorcerer named Gilian Sorril (he's Erwann's younger brother)
    Alt 6: A Khajiit nightblade named Jolan-dar
    Alt 7: A Nord warden named Sigurmar Hurlevent (he's Sigurd's younger brother)
    Alt 8: An Altmer templar named Oioriel
    Alt 9: An Argonian stamina Warden named Danse-avec-les-Rainettes
    Alt 10: A Redguard templar named Neemokh af-Corelanya
    Alt 11: A Nord stamina sorcerer named Olga Écoute-Vent
    Alt 12: A Breton magicka Warden named Ian Sorril
    Alt 13: A Dunmer magicka necromancer named Ilmoran Dren
    Alt 14: An Orc stamina necromancer named Norgol gro-Borziel
    Alt 15: A Nord magicka necromancer named Thorgen Givresang
    Alt 16: An Imperial magicka dragonknight named Publius Valeirus Hastifer (Just call him "Valerio" - he's Gaius younger troublemaker of a brother)
    Main in NA (For collaborative events): A Breton magicka nightblade named Titouan Sorril (long-lost brother of Erwann and Gilian)
  • VerboseQuips
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    Gidorick wrote: »
    Abeille wrote:
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    cyclonus11 wrote: »
    The game creates the lore, not the other way around.

    I completely agree with @cyclonus11 here... As long as ZOS actually BOTHERS to create the lore. The Dro-M'Athra mount has lore! We know what it is, we know why it is... even though there's a very minor inconsistency with it's existence, it's still lore :wink:

    This is very unlike the other mystical mounts we have. Lore behind the ice horse? Is there any?

    You mean like the lore behind the nightmare courser and the ice mount? Because if you call that one sentence description lore. I might have to question if youre being serious or not.

    I'm saying there is no lore behind the ice horse. I don't count item descriptions as lore @Korah_Eaglecry

    The Dro-M'Artha exist in the game... they are sort of being added as "living lore" and there are other things that have discussed the Dro-M'Artha, even prior to ESO.

    Where is a race of ice horses in the lore?

    All we have regarding the origins of the Frost mare is this description, saying that "Its exact origin is unknown, but the Mages Guild believes it may originally have come from Takubar, the plane of origin of Cold Flame Atronachs".

    I do consider official explanations to be lore, which is why I don't have any problems with it, but I would much prefer an in-game lore book that at least mentions it.


    I don't consider descriptions lore @Abeille ... and as an explanation it's VERY weak. We have hundreds of players running around on these things and NO ONE knows where they came from? Why don't you just ask one of the people running around on it? Oh... that's right. The only reason they have that ZOS has provided us is "Because I bought it from the Crown Store".

    How hard would it have been for ZOS to write and throw a book into the game? Or put a small grazing herd of them somewhere in the game? Or have a few in a couple of the NPC stables around Tamriel.

    I just want them in game in ANY other way besides "It was bought in the Crown Store". Even the description isn't in game... it's a Crown Store description.

    This is why I am totally fine with the Dro-M'Artha, because they exist in game in a way other than Crown Store fodder.



    I am actually roleplaying a mage, riding on a frost mare, and I actually never forget it comes from Takubar. In fact, I actually prefer the frost mare because of its Daedric origin : when it appears out of nowhere, solidified out of thin air, it is because I actually just summoned it. Which would make no sense and be less immersive in case it would have been a denizen of Nirn - (or else I would have to pretend my character learnt Spriggannish animal-summonning). :tongue:

    Also, I see those new creatures as an expansion of the previously existing lore, and one that will encourage Bethesda to put more diversity in its mounts for the next single-player TES games. :smile:

    Also, since Takubar is supposed to mirror Infernace, I think we should also have ember mares coming from the latter.

    That said, I agree with you that it would be better to see them somewhere in-game. Frost mare-riding Xivkyns in Coldharbour would be something great to see. By the way, when do they add mounted fighting, so we can compete in jousts and hastiludes, and fight mounted enemies in the wild?
    nimander99 wrote: »
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    Edit: As usual @Gidorick posts some fantastic ideas! Question though, isn't it called a Silt Strider? Not Silt Runner... I might be wrong but for some reason I remember them being called Silt Striders.

    I agree, this is awesome. If I want to nitpick, I'd say I am not so comfortable with the elk-riding Altmer. I would rather see them riding eerie, bug-like or Sunhallowed creatures.

    About the Strider/Runner stuff, maybe it is because Striders are too oversized to be actually used in-game?
    Edited by VerboseQuips on May 27, 2016 12:29PM
    My characters:
    Main and crafter: A Breton magicka templar named Erwann Sorril
    Alt 1: A Bosmer sorcerer named Tuuneleg
    Alt 2: An Imperial dragonknight named Gaius Tullius Hastifer
    Alt 3: An Argonian vampire/nightblade named Observe-le-Xanmeer
    Alt 4: A Nord werewolf/dragonknight named Sigurd Hurlevent
    Alt 5: A Breton sorcerer named Gilian Sorril (he's Erwann's younger brother)
    Alt 6: A Khajiit nightblade named Jolan-dar
    Alt 7: A Nord warden named Sigurmar Hurlevent (he's Sigurd's younger brother)
    Alt 8: An Altmer templar named Oioriel
    Alt 9: An Argonian stamina Warden named Danse-avec-les-Rainettes
    Alt 10: A Redguard templar named Neemokh af-Corelanya
    Alt 11: A Nord stamina sorcerer named Olga Écoute-Vent
    Alt 12: A Breton magicka Warden named Ian Sorril
    Alt 13: A Dunmer magicka necromancer named Ilmoran Dren
    Alt 14: An Orc stamina necromancer named Norgol gro-Borziel
    Alt 15: A Nord magicka necromancer named Thorgen Givresang
    Alt 16: An Imperial magicka dragonknight named Publius Valeirus Hastifer (Just call him "Valerio" - he's Gaius younger troublemaker of a brother)
    Main in NA (For collaborative events): A Breton magicka nightblade named Titouan Sorril (long-lost brother of Erwann and Gilian)
  • SinKissed
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    I would like to see a Mantikora mount added to the game. Mainly just to see one of my guildies ride it around everywhere.
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  • NateAssassin
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    How does a dwarven motorcycle sound, or a dwarven Chevrolet Corvette?
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    Seems ligit.
    Looks fast, put some spikes on the front of it and I'll go back into Cyrodiil again. Ram me some tomatos.
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  • Saoirse_Siobhan
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    I want an Echatere mount! Already in-game so not hard to make as mounts!
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    Ha ha 20,000 crowns because of the size and extra baggage....;)

    Ugh after the Dro'M'Athra Senche incident I wouldn't be surprised if it was some outrageous price, but since it's already in-game walking around, it shouldn't be. I'm not that poor Zos but I'm sensible!
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  • VerboseQuips
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    Some more mount suggestions: :smile:

    Real-world creatures (still living nowadays):

    Ibex, deer, elk, antelope, chamois, goat, sheep, okapi, zebra, donkey, pony, Ardennes horses (but give them another, lore-friendly name, like Reach draft horse for example), puma, boar, bull, ox, yak, bison, rhinoceros, ostritch, cassowary.

    Tamriellic or Daedric creatures:

    Durzog, Welwa, bristleback, echatere, fellrunner, unicorn, rhojiit, snow rhojiit, auroch, fabricant, snow wolf, hell hound, giant snake, giant mudcrab, giant scorpion, giant spider, giant hornet, chaurus reaper, wamasu, mammoth, Dwemer beetle, giant Dwemer spider, giant beetle, mantikora, Clannfear.

    Depending on whether or not one considers concept art as a legitimate source on Elder Scrolls lore (I do), one could add this one too :
    Mites of Order (see here, here and here, abandoned concept art for Shivering Isles).

    Other things which are not in current lore but could be made sense of...

    Undead versions of other mounts (ethereal, skeletal, zombie, fossilized, frozen, burnt, ashes...), ember mare (an equivalent of the frost mare coming from Infernace), dire fox (something like the coming Colovian wolf, but vulpine, possibly related to the Lilmothiit), husky-pulled sled, some other Dwemer animunculus, animated statue of a mount, deer-unicorn, monoceros, cocatrice, woolly rhinoceros, thylacine, dinosaur-like creature from Argonia (who doesn't want to ride ceratopsidae?), frost ostritch, spriggan-lke vegetal mount, some Daedric bug-horse, Kyne-related Aedric bulls (some relatives of Morihaus).
    Edited by VerboseQuips on May 27, 2016 12:48PM
    My characters:
    Main and crafter: A Breton magicka templar named Erwann Sorril
    Alt 1: A Bosmer sorcerer named Tuuneleg
    Alt 2: An Imperial dragonknight named Gaius Tullius Hastifer
    Alt 3: An Argonian vampire/nightblade named Observe-le-Xanmeer
    Alt 4: A Nord werewolf/dragonknight named Sigurd Hurlevent
    Alt 5: A Breton sorcerer named Gilian Sorril (he's Erwann's younger brother)
    Alt 6: A Khajiit nightblade named Jolan-dar
    Alt 7: A Nord warden named Sigurmar Hurlevent (he's Sigurd's younger brother)
    Alt 8: An Altmer templar named Oioriel
    Alt 9: An Argonian stamina Warden named Danse-avec-les-Rainettes
    Alt 10: A Redguard templar named Neemokh af-Corelanya
    Alt 11: A Nord stamina sorcerer named Olga Écoute-Vent
    Alt 12: A Breton magicka Warden named Ian Sorril
    Alt 13: A Dunmer magicka necromancer named Ilmoran Dren
    Alt 14: An Orc stamina necromancer named Norgol gro-Borziel
    Alt 15: A Nord magicka necromancer named Thorgen Givresang
    Alt 16: An Imperial magicka dragonknight named Publius Valeirus Hastifer (Just call him "Valerio" - he's Gaius younger troublemaker of a brother)
    Main in NA (For collaborative events): A Breton magicka nightblade named Titouan Sorril (long-lost brother of Erwann and Gilian)
  • Dissentinel
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    I cast my vote for an echatere mount! No more dire wolves, ice mares, or any other completely ridiculous creatures created solely for the purpose of pleasing MMO players that don't care about TES lore.
    Edited by Dissentinel on May 27, 2016 12:50PM
  • SantieClaws
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    Khajiit thinks maybe a dwemer steam horsey might not look too much out of place? Less out of place anyway than other possible dwemer based mounts. The horsey it could shoot steam from its nose.

    After all the engines of the things she has read about called 'trains' were once called iron horsies no?

    Yours with paws
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  • dtm_samuraib16_ESO
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    Mojmir wrote: »
    gorilla with banana cannons,STAT!!
    It's ESO, NOT Monkey.BAS :P
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    I WANT A DRAGON MOUNT
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    Would this one do? ;)

    A Cerberus: I saw a beast like this in ESO, so do not say: NOT LORE.
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    Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
    "If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
    "Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."
  • shadow071179
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    A Elk or Deer

    And werewolf Travelform.
  • WhiteCoatSyndrome
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    I'm not keen on the idea of an elk mount; yes it looked cool in the Hobbit movies, but I've never heard of that being a thing in Tamriel, and it seems too generic to be truly notable while not being generic ENOUGH to pass without notice like a horse. Echatere would be cooler.

    What about one of these?

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    They were in Shivering Isles. And they have the added bonus of already having two 'skins' built-in to their lore.

    @dtm_samuraib16_ESO : Where did you see a Cerberus creature in ESO??? The closest things I can recall are the Skinned Hounds (Oblivion - Shivering Isles) and the Death Hounds (Skyrim - Dawnguard).
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  • Tommy1979AtWar
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    Unicorns
  • dtm_samuraib16_ESO
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    @WhiteCoatSyndrome God... been a bit back... I cannot recall it from the top of my mind, tbh.
    Sorry about this. :(

    It was a threeheaded wolf or something.
    A boss of sorts, if I recall correctly?
    Edited by dtm_samuraib16_ESO on May 27, 2016 2:13PM
    Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
    "If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
    "Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."
  • VerboseQuips
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    Mojmir wrote: »
    gorilla with banana cannons,STAT!!
    It's ESO, NOT Monkey.BAS :P
    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    I WANT A DRAGON MOUNT
    latest?cb=20131201193253
    Would this one do? ;)

    A Cerberus: I saw a beast like this in ESO, so do not say: NOT LORE.
    cerberus_by_psyduck_mcgee-d6h687u1.jpg

    Were did you see the cerberus ? (Genuine question : I haven't found it yet but am interested)
    My characters:
    Main and crafter: A Breton magicka templar named Erwann Sorril
    Alt 1: A Bosmer sorcerer named Tuuneleg
    Alt 2: An Imperial dragonknight named Gaius Tullius Hastifer
    Alt 3: An Argonian vampire/nightblade named Observe-le-Xanmeer
    Alt 4: A Nord werewolf/dragonknight named Sigurd Hurlevent
    Alt 5: A Breton sorcerer named Gilian Sorril (he's Erwann's younger brother)
    Alt 6: A Khajiit nightblade named Jolan-dar
    Alt 7: A Nord warden named Sigurmar Hurlevent (he's Sigurd's younger brother)
    Alt 8: An Altmer templar named Oioriel
    Alt 9: An Argonian stamina Warden named Danse-avec-les-Rainettes
    Alt 10: A Redguard templar named Neemokh af-Corelanya
    Alt 11: A Nord stamina sorcerer named Olga Écoute-Vent
    Alt 12: A Breton magicka Warden named Ian Sorril
    Alt 13: A Dunmer magicka necromancer named Ilmoran Dren
    Alt 14: An Orc stamina necromancer named Norgol gro-Borziel
    Alt 15: A Nord magicka necromancer named Thorgen Givresang
    Alt 16: An Imperial magicka dragonknight named Publius Valeirus Hastifer (Just call him "Valerio" - he's Gaius younger troublemaker of a brother)
    Main in NA (For collaborative events): A Breton magicka nightblade named Titouan Sorril (long-lost brother of Erwann and Gilian)
  • Gidorick
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    NovaMarx wrote: »
    Gidorick wrote: »
    Since the mount people are going to take a look at this thread and I've never got any such feedback for my racial mount thread... quote from: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/153031/mount-specific-racial-riding-bonuses-concept/p1
    Gidorick wrote: »
    There has been a few discussions about race specific mounts in ESO. With the new direction of ESO, having race specific mounts wouldn’t make a lot of sense. However, for RP and immersion purposes, having race specific mounts is quite the boon. There is, however, a middle ground.

    Mount Specific Racial Riding Bonuses

    Core Concept
    ZOS should consider giving bonuses to players who ride their Race Specific Mount. These bonuses should be placed on top of whatever their current skills are.
    • 10% Speed Bonus
    • 20% Stamina Bonus
    These bonuses do not mean that other races shouldn’t be able to ride these mounts, they just won’t receive the racial riding bonus. This system will allow all players to ride all mounts but will give players incentives to not only create alternate characters but to use their Race Specific Mount.

    Now let's have some fun!
    Below are some suggestions for what NEW mount could be added for each race. Each Mount could be purchased in the Crown Store in various styles, just as the horses and Senche cats will soon be.
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    Thoughts?

    I seriously don't understand how they haven't decided to look into your thread! Good you linked it yourself, or I would've :blush:

    Note: For all the people questioning the wolf mount, notice how it according to lore is a Bosmer mount.

    Well, I know the Mods have all gone through my threads. I think they go through all threads looking for things that break the code of conduct and I assume not all threads are forwarded to Devs... At one point I actually asked for the Mods for a bit of communication on this very thing:

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/169815/would-it-be-possible-to-get-a-fowarded-to-response-from-mods/p1

    Ironically, I never heard anything from any of the Mods. :lol:

    IF ZOS were to take ANYTHING from that thread, I would want it to be the Khajiit Senche and the Root Worm mounts. :smile:

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    I LOVE these two mounts!
    What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
    That's right... Horse.
    Click HERE to discuss.

    Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!
  • Gidorick
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    That Echatere looks like a giant Rabbit, BTW the only reason I say the Dro-mathra Senche is Unlorefriendly is because of this and that is because it is an evil khajiit spirit, and no evil spirit would let you ride them and order them around.

    It reminds me of a spider hamster @TX12001rwb17_ESO . It is by FAR my favorite addition to the Bestiary of Nirn. It's unique, It's interesting, and it seems to "fit" The Elder Scrolls esthetics. I'm sure it will be a mount some day and I can't wait. :smiley: ... hopefully it won't be too expensive. :confused:
    What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
    That's right... Horse.
    Click HERE to discuss.

    Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!
  • olsborg
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    An elk mount..

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  • Gidorick
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    nimander99 wrote: »
    Edit: As usual @Gidorick posts some fantastic ideas! Question though, isn't it called a Silt Strider? Not Silt Runner... I might be wrong but for some reason I remember them being called Silt Striders.

    They are called Stilt Striders @nimander99 ... Stilt Runners are an alteration on the concept. I made the legs tiny so they would probably move more like a roach. If ZOS can take wolfs and make them large enough for us to ride there's to reason they can't take large creatures and make them small enough for us to ride too! :wink:
    What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
    That's right... Horse.
    Click HERE to discuss.

    Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!
  • Gidorick
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    Gidorick wrote: »
    Abeille wrote:
    Gidorick wrote: »
    Gidorick wrote: »
    cyclonus11 wrote: »
    The game creates the lore, not the other way around.

    I completely agree with @cyclonus11 here... As long as ZOS actually BOTHERS to create the lore. The Dro-M'Athra mount has lore! We know what it is, we know why it is... even though there's a very minor inconsistency with it's existence, it's still lore :wink:

    This is very unlike the other mystical mounts we have. Lore behind the ice horse? Is there any?

    You mean like the lore behind the nightmare courser and the ice mount? Because if you call that one sentence description lore. I might have to question if youre being serious or not.

    I'm saying there is no lore behind the ice horse. I don't count item descriptions as lore @Korah_Eaglecry

    The Dro-M'Artha exist in the game... they are sort of being added as "living lore" and there are other things that have discussed the Dro-M'Artha, even prior to ESO.

    Where is a race of ice horses in the lore?

    All we have regarding the origins of the Frost mare is this description, saying that "Its exact origin is unknown, but the Mages Guild believes it may originally have come from Takubar, the plane of origin of Cold Flame Atronachs".

    I do consider official explanations to be lore, which is why I don't have any problems with it, but I would much prefer an in-game lore book that at least mentions it.


    I don't consider descriptions lore @Abeille (oops... wrong tag.. sorry @VerboseQuips !!!)... and as an explanation it's VERY weak. We have hundreds of players running around on these things and NO ONE knows where they came from? Why don't you just ask one of the people running around on it? Oh... that's right. The only reason they have that ZOS has provided us is "Because I bought it from the Crown Store".

    How hard would it have been for ZOS to write and throw a book into the game? Or put a small grazing herd of them somewhere in the game? Or have a few in a couple of the NPC stables around Tamriel.

    I just want them in game in ANY other way besides "It was bought in the Crown Store". Even the description isn't in game... it's a Crown Store description.

    This is why I am totally fine with the Dro-M'Artha, because they exist in game in a way other than Crown Store fodder.



    I am actually roleplaying a mage, riding on a frost mare, and I actually never forget it comes from Takubar. In fact, I actually prefer the frost mare because of its Daedric origin : when it appears out of nowhere, solidified out of thin air, it is because I actually just summoned it. Which would make no sense and be less immersive in case it would have been a denizen of Nirn - (or else I would have to pretend my character learnt Spriggannish animal-summonning). :tongue:

    Also, I see those new creatures as an expansion of the previously existing lore, and one that will encourage Bethesda to put more diversity in its mounts for the next single-player TES games. :smile:

    Also, since Takubar is supposed to mirror Infernace, I think we should also have ember mares coming from the latter.

    That said, I agree with you that it would be better to see them somewhere in-game. Frost mare-riding Xivkyns in Coldharbour would be something great to see. By the way, when do they add mounted fighting, so we can compete in jousts and hastiludes, and fight mounted enemies in the wild?
    nimander99 wrote: »
    [...]
    Edit: As usual @Gidorick posts some fantastic ideas! Question though, isn't it called a Silt Strider? Not Silt Runner... I might be wrong but for some reason I remember them being called Silt Striders.

    I agree, this is awesome. If I want to nitpick, I'd say I am not so comfortable with the elk-riding Altmer. I would rather see them riding eerie, bug-like or Sunhallowed creatures.

    About the Strider/Runner stuff, maybe it is because Striders are too oversized to be actually used in-game?

    I like the way you think @Abeille , I will admit that much of my desire to have them represented in game is based on a "line in the sand" kind of mentality. When ESO came out and people started to talk about lore appropriateness I thought to myself "As long as they justify what they add..."

    My own personal lore behind the Ice Horse is: A Frost Mare horses come from an aspect of the Etherial horse Frostmare. It's not THE Frostmare we're all riding but a portion of Frostmare. By the end of the second era, this splintering of Frostmare was so severe that by the time all the players of ESO got done with Frostmare Crypt, no aspect of the spectral equine remained. After that, the Frost Mare crypt was mistakenly referred to as Frostmere... a Crypt in Skyrim.

    The idea was inspired by a conversation with @Nifty2g & @UrQuan

    As for the Altmer... I did consider a Griffin but there has never been any mention of actual griffins in lore, I don't think.
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    I think Griffins are mythical creatures in Tamriel. Crazy huh?



    Edited by Gidorick on May 27, 2016 4:42PM
    What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
    That's right... Horse.
    Click HERE to discuss.

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    Gidorick wrote: »
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    The game creates the lore, not the other way around.

    I completely agree with @cyclonus11 here... As long as ZOS actually BOTHERS to create the lore. The Dro-M'Athra mount has lore! We know what it is, we know why it is... even though there's a very minor inconsistency with it's existence, it's still lore :wink:

    This is very unlike the other mystical mounts we have. Lore behind the ice horse? Is there any?

    You mean like the lore behind the nightmare courser and the ice mount? Because if you call that one sentence description lore. I might have to question if youre being serious or not.

    I'm saying there is no lore behind the ice horse. I don't count item descriptions as lore @Korah_Eaglecry

    The Dro-M'Artha exist in the game... they are sort of being added as "living lore" and there are other things that have discussed the Dro-M'Artha, even prior to ESO.

    Where is a race of ice horses in the lore?

    All we have regarding the origins of the Frost mare is this description, saying that "Its exact origin is unknown, but the Mages Guild believes it may originally have come from Takubar, the plane of origin of Cold Flame Atronachs".

    I do consider official explanations to be lore, which is why I don't have any problems with it, but I would much prefer an in-game lore book that at least mentions it.


    I don't consider descriptions lore @Abeille ... and as an explanation it's VERY weak. We have hundreds of players running around on these things and NO ONE knows where they came from? Why don't you just ask one of the people running around on it? Oh... that's right. The only reason they have that ZOS has provided us is "Because I bought it from the Crown Store".

    How hard would it have been for ZOS to write and throw a book into the game? Or put a small grazing herd of them somewhere in the game? Or have a few in a couple of the NPC stables around Tamriel.

    I just want them in game in ANY other way besides "It was bought in the Crown Store". Even the description isn't in game... it's a Crown Store description.

    This is why I am totally fine with the Dro-M'Artha, because they exist in game in a way other than Crown Store fodder.



    I am actually roleplaying a mage, riding on a frost mare, and I actually never forget it comes from Takubar. In fact, I actually prefer the frost mare because of its Daedric origin : when it appears out of nowhere, solidified out of thin air, it is because I actually just summoned it. Which would make no sense and be less immersive in case it would have been a denizen of Nirn - (or else I would have to pretend my character learnt Spriggannish animal-summonning). :tongue:

    Also, I see those new creatures as an expansion of the previously existing lore, and one that will encourage Bethesda to put more diversity in its mounts for the next single-player TES games. :smile:

    Also, since Takubar is supposed to mirror Infernace, I think we should also have ember mares coming from the latter.

    That said, I agree with you that it would be better to see them somewhere in-game. Frost mare-riding Xivkyns in Coldharbour would be something great to see. By the way, when do they add mounted fighting, so we can compete in jousts and hastiludes, and fight mounted enemies in the wild?
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    [...]
    Edit: As usual @Gidorick posts some fantastic ideas! Question though, isn't it called a Silt Strider? Not Silt Runner... I might be wrong but for some reason I remember them being called Silt Striders.

    I agree, this is awesome. If I want to nitpick, I'd say I am not so comfortable with the elk-riding Altmer. I would rather see them riding eerie, bug-like or Sunhallowed creatures.

    About the Strider/Runner stuff, maybe it is because Striders are too oversized to be actually used in-game?

    I like the way you think @Abeille , I will admit that much of my desire to have them represented in game is based on a "line in the sand" kind of mentality. When ESO came out and people started to talk about lore appropriateness I thought to myself "As long as they justify what they add..."

    My own personal lore behind the Ice Horse is: A Frost Mare horses come from an aspect of the Etherial horse Frostmare. It's not THE Frostmare we're all riding but a portion of Frostmare. By the end of the second era, this splintering of Frostmare was so severe that by the time all the players of ESO got done with Frostmare Crypt, no aspect of the spectral equine remained. After that, the Frost Mare crypt was mistakenly referred to as Frostmere... a Crypt in Skyrim.

    The idea was inspired by a conversation with @Nifty2g & @UrQuan

    As for the Altmer... I did consider a Griffin but there has never been any mention of actual griffins in lore, I don't think.
    EHLEAxT.jpg?1

    I think Griffins are mythical creatures in Tamriel. Crazy huh?



    Ok you tagged me by mistake, but I'm glad you did @Gidorick because I loved the Griffin idea for Altmer :P
    At least you didn't accidentally tag @ZOS_Finn ...


    Anyways, I don't mind if they add Griffins, even if there were not mentions of actual Griffins in the lore so far, as long as they add them to the wilderness too.

    Like they did to Dire Wolves. As far as I know, there were not wolves big enough to ride in any TES game before, but I might be wrong. Regardless, they added Dire Wolves that are already pretty big (but not as big as the mounts) to the Gold Coast, added a description to the Wolf Mount saying they are breed for size and a book on how to tame Dire Wolves.

    They could do the same for Griffins if they wish. Maybe if we get a Summerset DLC one day, and they live there. Since Summerset is super closed and outsides rarely go there, it would even justify the rest of Tamriel seeing Griffins as mythical creatures, with few people from the continental mass of Tamriel having ever seen them. And they can even have wings that they can stretch when idle without actually flying (because no flying mounts, EVER), since carrying an Altmer around on your back should probably hinder any flying attempt anyway xD

    Let me just add that I find your idea for bonuses when using the right race-mount combination while not stopping other races from using different kinds of mounts is absolutely fantastic. I think it is a great incentive for people to use the "right mount" without punishing them too much if they don't want to. I hope that we will have enough mount types one day to make that idea reality. If we continue getting new types of mounts at this rate, we will have ten different kinds in the end of next year.
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
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    I only played Morrowind onwards. Does that drop from an actual Gryphon or is it just the name of the ingredient? They can be thought to be a myth AND have an ingredient named after them.

    If there was never one as a monster in TES, then I would like ESO to give them the "Dire Wolf" treatment.
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
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    I would like a chariot please.

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    This wouldn't be Lore breaking

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    I HAD NO IDEA! @WhiteCoatSyndrome !!! Is it just the feather we have as proof that they exist? I don't care if it is! GRIFFONS!!! er... I'm spelling it wrong too. GRYPHONS!!!!! EEEKKK!!!!

    Ok... I'm changing my request. Gryphon mount! I want a Gryphon mount. It doesn't need wings or maybe only one gender has wings like some insects.... I don't care. I just want a bird cat on which to ride! I'll name it Trico! :smiley:
    What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
    That's right... Horse.
    Click HERE to discuss.

    Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!
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    Gidorick wrote: »
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    I HAD NO IDEA! @WhiteCoatSyndrome !!! Is it just the feather we have as proof that they exist? I don't care if it is! GRIFFONS!!! er... I'm spelling it wrong too. GRYPHONS!!!!! EEEKKK!!!!

    Ok... I'm changing my request. Gryphon mount! I want a Gryphon mount. It doesn't need wings or maybe only one gender has wings like some insects.... I don't care. I just want a bird cat on which to ride! I'll name it Trico! :smiley:

    It's the feather, but it's a precident :)
    This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!
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    I want a Dwemer Hoverboard.
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    Gidorick wrote: »
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    I HAD NO IDEA! @WhiteCoatSyndrome !!! Is it just the feather we have as proof that they exist? I don't care if it is! GRIFFONS!!! er... I'm spelling it wrong too. GRYPHONS!!!!! EEEKKK!!!!

    Ok... I'm changing my request. Gryphon mount! I want a Gryphon mount. It doesn't need wings or maybe only one gender has wings like some insects.... I don't care. I just want a bird cat on which to ride! I'll name it Trico! :smiley:

    If they add Gryphons, I wish they would give them an Elder Scrolls twist ... you know, like Trolls having 3 eyes, or Mammoths having 4 tusks. I'm all for new additions to the Elder Scrolls bestiary, especially in previously unexplored regions.

    As long as they are flightless, of course. Is there such a thing as a Penguin Gryphon? :D
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    Faulgor wrote: »
    Gidorick wrote: »
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    I HAD NO IDEA! @WhiteCoatSyndrome !!! Is it just the feather we have as proof that they exist? I don't care if it is! GRIFFONS!!! er... I'm spelling it wrong too. GRYPHONS!!!!! EEEKKK!!!!

    Ok... I'm changing my request. Gryphon mount! I want a Gryphon mount. It doesn't need wings or maybe only one gender has wings like some insects.... I don't care. I just want a bird cat on which to ride! I'll name it Trico! :smiley:

    If they add Gryphons, I wish they would give them an Elder Scrolls twist ... you know, like Trolls having 3 eyes, or Mammoths having 4 tusks. I'm all for new additions to the Elder Scrolls bestiary, especially in previously unexplored regions.

    As long as they are flightless, of course. Is there such a thing as a Penguin Gryphon? :D

    Oooooh penguin gryphon
    This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!
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    Faulgor wrote: »
    Gidorick wrote: »
    tumblr_niagrfUTZ61rxf6yzo1_250.gif

    I HAD NO IDEA! @WhiteCoatSyndrome !!! Is it just the feather we have as proof that they exist? I don't care if it is! GRIFFONS!!! er... I'm spelling it wrong too. GRYPHONS!!!!! EEEKKK!!!!

    Ok... I'm changing my request. Gryphon mount! I want a Gryphon mount. It doesn't need wings or maybe only one gender has wings like some insects.... I don't care. I just want a bird cat on which to ride! I'll name it Trico! :smiley:

    If they add Gryphons, I wish they would give them an Elder Scrolls twist ... you know, like Trolls having 3 eyes, or Mammoths having 4 tusks. I'm all for new additions to the Elder Scrolls bestiary, especially in previously unexplored regions.

    As long as they are flightless, of course. Is there such a thing as a Penguin Gryphon? :D

    I imagine that Gryphon mounts would be flightless, with the reasoning that their wings are not strong enough to lift both their weight and the weight of their rider. But if ZOS adds wild ones, these could fly.
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
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