I would like they to explain what is wrong if they do NOT apply this changes.Since they are defending the changes so bad, makes you think that something will go horrible if they dont apply the changes.

Well atleast they swapped shield expert after leaving us in the dark with the last patch...
also looks like they still don't give a *** about feedback.

Okay tried it again with swapped shield expert.
I guess i will have to recraft my smaller armour pieces to sturdy but i guess i can contuine to tank...

Please show so much love to medium armour during the next stamina patch^^

quadraxis666 wrote: »

Hey guys.
Remember that time Zos totally screwed tanking (again) and we all showed them how awful it was and we fought and fought throughout the whole DB PTS and still we were ignored and given a really bad explanation that ran off a lot of bad assumptions then ignored again?

That was a good time.

I'll miss tanking.

Ty Zos.

Atleast we are not the only ones who will suffer in db lol

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

You guys think wrobel will make a similiar thread for us like for stam sorcs?

Who i am kidding ... it would be just: We read your feedback and don't care like every of those threads...

He did.

And, in short, it was something along the lines of, "This is why we made these changes, but our decision is final, deal with it."

The upside is that it reveals their reasoning and gives us an opportunity to point out the flaws (specifically, they tuned numbers around cases where people have maxed block cost reduction, but since cost reduction has severely diminishing returns on the extremes, it means the changes they make a far more muted effect). Whether they actually take heed to those criticisms remain to be seen, but it's looking like a resounding "no".

I've had to drop two spell damage glyphs from my sap tank and replace them with the block cost jewelry to keep Stam up on my sap tank.

What on earth was ZoS thinking when removing bracing??! And moving block cost to the green tree for even less resources?!! They've lost their minds

#sorrybouthenecro
#notreally

I never actually understood the need for tanks to have Spell or Weapon damage enchants.

You are TANKS dammit! You should contribute to your group in other ways, not by doing damage.

That being said, my NB tank performs exceptionally well with Bahraha/Leeching/Malubeth combo.
And Shield-play enchantments. DUH.

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

I never actually understood the need for tanks to have Spell or Weapon damage enchants.

You are TANKS dammit! You should contribute to your group in other ways, not by doing damage.

That being said, my NB tank performs exceptionally well with Bahraha/Leeching/Malubeth combo.
And Shield-play enchantments. DUH.

A sap tank needs to contribute strong heals and damage to make up for their lack of cc's. A minimum 10k dps and 20k execute. Hence the spell damage glyphs.

That is why I think that Bahraha is a must have on NB tanks. It provides at least some kind of snare.
And believe me, if you use Malubeth, and CP accordingly, you won't need to have high Spell damage.
At that point, the only thing that Spell damage contributes to is group DPS, since you would be overhealing yourself most of the time.

Nebthet78 wrote: »

So, after taking a look at the new Patch Notes for PTS today, Tanks have been nerfed even more.

Remember when Wrobel told us that if we wanted block cost reduction to use Jewelry.. well, Footman's has the Shield play enchantment that would reduce the cost of Blocking which helped make up for the nerfs.. Well, now in these patch notes, they have nerfed that jewelry set from 12% to 8% block cost reduction.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH
Exploration & Itemization
Item Sets

[*]Footman’s Fortune: Reduced the amount of block mitigation provided by this item set to 8%, down from 12%.
[/list]

Seriously beginning to think they really want to kill the Tanking roll.

The 5 piece is damage mitigation, not block cost reduction though. Doesn't really have anything to do with block cost reduction jewelry.

They did the same nerf on the Ward of Cyrodiil set last DLC - this change is just bringing it in line with that change.

hrothbern wrote: »

Synozeer wrote: »

Nebthet78 wrote: »

So, after taking a look at the new Patch Notes for PTS today, Tanks have been nerfed even more.

Remember when Wrobel told us that if we wanted block cost reduction to use Jewelry.. well, Footman's has the Shield play enchantment that would reduce the cost of Blocking which helped make up for the nerfs.. Well, now in these patch notes, they have nerfed that jewelry set from 12% to 8% block cost reduction.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH
Exploration & Itemization
Item Sets

[*]Footman’s Fortune: Reduced the amount of block mitigation provided by this item set to 8%, down from 12%.
[/list]

Seriously beginning to think they really want to kill the Tanking roll.

The 5 piece is damage mitigation, not block cost reduction though. Doesn't really have anything to do with block cost reduction jewelry.

They did the same nerf on the Ward of Cyrodiil set last DLC - this change is just bringing it in line with that change.

Jip

Cyrodiil's Light went down from 25% to 15% with DB DLC.

Cyrodiil's Light and Ward of Cyrodiil are two different sets. But both did get nerfed.

Btw guys... has anyone found a Black Rose set with sturdy?

I noticed Tel Var sets don't drop in sturdy, nirnhoned, training and prosperous (and impenetrable, but that is directly buyable).

So two useless endgame traits I understand got left out, but is there a reason why tanking traits got left out as well?

The whole in-depth calculation thread @Wrobel made just got knee deep in Guar poop because his whole calculation revolved around CPs and Sturdy.

Just another reason why moving block cost mitigation from being a passive to being a trait was a bad idea.

I still have not put skill points into wrath.

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I still have not put skill points into wrath.

Put points in, it is a handy boost. Would be nice if it gave just a tad more of a damage boost though.

I must be the exception that is liking heavy armor more- it is the first time I've enjoyed building my characters around heavy armor for quite some time!