sekou_trayvond wrote: »It's a brilliant move by ZoS to induce subs.
And I for one can't wait to bask in my roomy bank space.
I feel like a parent getting ready for their kid to head off to college and trying to determine what to make of Junior's old space. Exercise room? Entertainment room?
MaddPowered wrote: »I am not paying 18$ a month for nothing you know
We still need the bank raised from 240 slots to 320 slots for now.
It seems like a large jump, but it's only a 10-point increase: 30 slots to 40 slots per character.
If you buy all four available character slot upgrades, that's going to decrease from 30 slots to 20 slots per character at 240. With 320 slots you'd get an average of 26.
WoW gives each character a basic bank of 28 spaces before any upgrades. That roughly what we have maxed out. Bag/mount inventory is okay and probably doesn't need an increase any time in the next five years. But the shared bank created problems that are not okay to shrug away by creating a loophole for just part of the population.
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Very odd that people associate subscriptions with supporting the company but exclude people who buy1500 or more in crowns each month as supporting the company.
Or those who buy 5000+ crowns every 3 months as not supporting the company.
If you think those customers shouldn't have access to the bag too, your very closed minded
@Taisynn
Hey we pretty much have all agreed that the Craft Bag should be an exclusive.
Also, I think most people think its bull crap that ESO plus members don't get the DLC's included.
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Very odd that people associate subscriptions with supporting the company but exclude people who buy1500 or more in crowns each month as supporting the company.
Or those who buy 5000+ crowns every 3 months as not supporting the company.
If you think those customers shouldn't have access to the bag too, your very closed minded
If someone is willing to buy 5000 crowns every 3 months why wouldn't they be willing to pay 15$ a month for a sub?
nimander99 wrote: »I hope this forces all you cheap bastids to pay some money which makes our game better in the long run. Stop being so cheap.
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Very odd that people associate subscriptions with supporting the company but exclude people who buy1500 or more in crowns each month as supporting the company.
Or those who buy 5000+ crowns every 3 months as not supporting the company.
If you think those customers shouldn't have access to the bag too, your very closed minded
If someone is willing to buy 5000 crowns every 3 months why wouldn't they be willing to pay 15$ a month for a sub?
Better question is why would they sub.....that's the point. They own everything and buy crown store stuff to play.
Each customer has different desires but why play keep away with features if you're ZOS. It's illogical
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Very odd that people associate subscriptions with supporting the company but exclude people who buy1500 or more in crowns each month as supporting the company.
Or those who buy 5000+ crowns every 3 months as not supporting the company.
If you think those customers shouldn't have access to the bag too, your very closed minded
If someone is willing to buy 5000 crowns every 3 months why wouldn't they be willing to pay 15$ a month for a sub?
Better question is why would they sub.....that's the point. They own everything and buy crown store stuff to play.
Each customer has different desires but why play keep away with features if you're ZOS. It's illogical
I have an answer to this question: (Why would they sub if they already buy 5000 crowns every 3 months?)
To get a crafting bag!
Look at it from an accounting perspective. An active subscription counts as future money they can expect to have and they can financially plan based on the number of active subs. One-time purchases of crowns does not guarantee future purchases and cannot be included in financial planning. Big businesses don't just care about how much money they make, they care about how much money they will make in the future. This is especially important when presenting to stockholders or higher level managers. (Yes, I'm an accountant)
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Very odd that people associate subscriptions with supporting the company but exclude people who buy1500 or more in crowns each month as supporting the company.
Or those who buy 5000+ crowns every 3 months as not supporting the company.
If you think those customers shouldn't have access to the bag too, your very closed minded
If someone is willing to buy 5000 crowns every 3 months why wouldn't they be willing to pay 15$ a month for a sub?
Better question is why would they sub.....that's the point. They own everything and buy crown store stuff to play.
Each customer has different desires but why play keep away with features if you're ZOS. It's illogical
I have an answer to this question: (Why would they sub if they already buy 5000 crowns every 3 months?)
To get a crafting bag!
Look at it from an accounting perspective. An active subscription counts as future money they can expect to have and they can financially plan based on the number of active subs. One-time purchases of crowns does not guarantee future purchases and cannot be included in financial planning. Big businesses don't just care about how much money they make, they care about how much money they will make in the future. This is especially important when presenting to stockholders or higher level managers. (Yes, I'm an accountant)
@TheSpin
People are involved here. Some will, some won't some will never.
By tying a feature behind only one pay wall literally is the problem they had at launch which is why we have B2P, Sub option and crown options. It's illogical to sub for a bag if you're buying crowns outright.
Especially if you read my earlier responses that on Xbox one, if you sub, you don't get crowns and/or access to DLC or a mix of some but not all for the price. The main pushback I'm giving is due to this which isn't something ZOS can seem to understand or resolve with Microsoft.
ZOS also is creating their own problems because DLC shouldn't be in the crown store, it should be in the Xbox store. Also any account benefit should also be in the Xbox store instead of the greed ZOS has that forces you to buy things twice due to NA differ from EU servers for account based benefits.
ZOS' greed is going to be the reason they loose profit opportunities as again, you're dealing with people not idiots.
ManwithBeard9 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Very odd that people associate subscriptions with supporting the company but exclude people who buy1500 or more in crowns each month as supporting the company.
Or those who buy 5000+ crowns every 3 months as not supporting the company.
If you think those customers shouldn't have access to the bag too, your very closed minded
If someone is willing to buy 5000 crowns every 3 months why wouldn't they be willing to pay 15$ a month for a sub?
Better question is why would they sub.....that's the point. They own everything and buy crown store stuff to play.
Each customer has different desires but why play keep away with features if you're ZOS. It's illogical
I have an answer to this question: (Why would they sub if they already buy 5000 crowns every 3 months?)
To get a crafting bag!
Look at it from an accounting perspective. An active subscription counts as future money they can expect to have and they can financially plan based on the number of active subs. One-time purchases of crowns does not guarantee future purchases and cannot be included in financial planning. Big businesses don't just care about how much money they make, they care about how much money they will make in the future. This is especially important when presenting to stockholders or higher level managers. (Yes, I'm an accountant)
@TheSpin
People are involved here. Some will, some won't some will never.
By tying a feature behind only one pay wall literally is the problem they had at launch which is why we have B2P, Sub option and crown options. It's illogical to sub for a bag if you're buying crowns outright.
Especially if you read my earlier responses that on Xbox one, if you sub, you don't get crowns and/or access to DLC or a mix of some but not all for the price. The main pushback I'm giving is due to this which isn't something ZOS can seem to understand or resolve with Microsoft.
ZOS also is creating their own problems because DLC shouldn't be in the crown store, it should be in the Xbox store. Also any account benefit should also be in the Xbox store instead of the greed ZOS has that forces you to buy things twice due to NA differ from EU servers for account based benefits.
ZOS' greed is going to be the reason they loose profit opportunities as again, you're dealing with people not idiots.
What reason would there be to put the DLC for ZoS's game in someone else's store? So you can use other methods of payment that ZoS doesn't accept?
ManwithBeard9 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Very odd that people associate subscriptions with supporting the company but exclude people who buy1500 or more in crowns each month as supporting the company.
Or those who buy 5000+ crowns every 3 months as not supporting the company.
If you think those customers shouldn't have access to the bag too, your very closed minded
If someone is willing to buy 5000 crowns every 3 months why wouldn't they be willing to pay 15$ a month for a sub?
Better question is why would they sub.....that's the point. They own everything and buy crown store stuff to play.
Each customer has different desires but why play keep away with features if you're ZOS. It's illogical
I have an answer to this question: (Why would they sub if they already buy 5000 crowns every 3 months?)
To get a crafting bag!
Look at it from an accounting perspective. An active subscription counts as future money they can expect to have and they can financially plan based on the number of active subs. One-time purchases of crowns does not guarantee future purchases and cannot be included in financial planning. Big businesses don't just care about how much money they make, they care about how much money they will make in the future. This is especially important when presenting to stockholders or higher level managers. (Yes, I'm an accountant)
@TheSpin
People are involved here. Some will, some won't some will never.
By tying a feature behind only one pay wall literally is the problem they had at launch which is why we have B2P, Sub option and crown options. It's illogical to sub for a bag if you're buying crowns outright.
Especially if you read my earlier responses that on Xbox one, if you sub, you don't get crowns and/or access to DLC or a mix of some but not all for the price. The main pushback I'm giving is due to this which isn't something ZOS can seem to understand or resolve with Microsoft.
ZOS also is creating their own problems because DLC shouldn't be in the crown store, it should be in the Xbox store. Also any account benefit should also be in the Xbox store instead of the greed ZOS has that forces you to buy things twice due to NA differ from EU servers for account based benefits.
ZOS' greed is going to be the reason they loose profit opportunities as again, you're dealing with people not idiots.
What reason would there be to put the DLC for ZoS's game in someone else's store? So you can use other methods of payment that ZoS doesn't accept?
I was wondering about that bit. Why shouldnt the DLCs be in the crown store? I mean,sure,..put them in the XBOX store too,but not JUST there.
ManwithBeard9 wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Very odd that people associate subscriptions with supporting the company but exclude people who buy1500 or more in crowns each month as supporting the company.
Or those who buy 5000+ crowns every 3 months as not supporting the company.
If you think those customers shouldn't have access to the bag too, your very closed minded
If someone is willing to buy 5000 crowns every 3 months why wouldn't they be willing to pay 15$ a month for a sub?
Better question is why would they sub.....that's the point. They own everything and buy crown store stuff to play.
Each customer has different desires but why play keep away with features if you're ZOS. It's illogical
I have an answer to this question: (Why would they sub if they already buy 5000 crowns every 3 months?)
To get a crafting bag!
Look at it from an accounting perspective. An active subscription counts as future money they can expect to have and they can financially plan based on the number of active subs. One-time purchases of crowns does not guarantee future purchases and cannot be included in financial planning. Big businesses don't just care about how much money they make, they care about how much money they will make in the future. This is especially important when presenting to stockholders or higher level managers. (Yes, I'm an accountant)
@TheSpin
People are involved here. Some will, some won't some will never.
By tying a feature behind only one pay wall literally is the problem they had at launch which is why we have B2P, Sub option and crown options. It's illogical to sub for a bag if you're buying crowns outright.
Especially if you read my earlier responses that on Xbox one, if you sub, you don't get crowns and/or access to DLC or a mix of some but not all for the price. The main pushback I'm giving is due to this which isn't something ZOS can seem to understand or resolve with Microsoft.
ZOS also is creating their own problems because DLC shouldn't be in the crown store, it should be in the Xbox store. Also any account benefit should also be in the Xbox store instead of the greed ZOS has that forces you to buy things twice due to NA differ from EU servers for account based benefits.
ZOS' greed is going to be the reason they loose profit opportunities as again, you're dealing with people not idiots.
What reason would there be to put the DLC for ZoS's game in someone else's store? So you can use other methods of payment that ZoS doesn't accept?
I was wondering about that bit. Why shouldnt the DLCs be in the crown store? I mean,sure,..put them in the XBOX store too,but not JUST there.
If you could access the crown store from somewhere besides in game, that would make sense. But all purchases must be made with crowns in game. So unless they allow you interaction with your in game account outside of game they wont change it.
Personofsecrets wrote: »And this is how p2w slowly advances, with great applause
I have rehashed this so many times.
When you outright buy the DLC, your perk is your forever access to it. You get it as long as the game lasts. Your investment can never be taken from you should you stop paying into the game.
Subscribers pay MORE overtime for access to these DLCs, and the moment we stop paying POOF no more access. That investment disappears along with the money we put into it.
Subscribers need a better perk than just three days off our research time, 10% exp bonus, and some gold incentive. These are practically nothing. So we get ONE nice thing for making sure the game has steady revenue every month. Without us this game would cease to exist.
So, stop with the "it's not fair," rhetoric. You want the crafting bag, pay the $15 a month.
And the crowns we get everymonth? Hardly enough to get anything nice. And we're paying more for them on average.
And this whole "privacy" argument about not wanting to use a credit card - go to your local game store, gas station, etc. and go buy an ESO plus card. That's what my boyfriend and I do.
I buy my sub AND buy crowns for the vanity items. Don't argue we don't do the same just because we sub.