Final: Craft Bags for ESO plus members only! Please, share your opinion about the rest of us.

nemisan

Allow a crown store purchase that increases normal inventory 100 spaces.

If you want the bag, sub up: simple

clayandaudrey_ESO

I am going to sub up. Instead of buying the 5500 crown pack for 40 dollars, I am going to spend 20. 15 on the sub which I will cancel immediately and 5 for the extra 500 crowns to get the DLC. In essence saving 20 dollars for the quarter and getting the bag.

Sunburnt_Penguin

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Other:
Introduce some sort of loyalty system that gives non-subs Crafting Bags according to a certain requirement (e.g. Purchased all DLCs, has spent over a certain amount in the Crown Store relative to when they started playing, etc).

I get the argument that subs reduce risk by giving projected sales but regular Crown Store purchasers also do as well. If the amount of cash spent is the same, the monetary value of ESO is the same and therefore the same benefits should be given. Realistically, there's no difference between these two groups seeing as subs can also stop spending cash very quickly.

I am pretty sure there is a reason that ZOS has the model they do. I would guarantee that they have analytics that show the amounts of money customers spend. I would say that those numbers show that a lot of non subscribers buy the 5500 crown packs at DLC release. 5500 crowns = 40 dollars. Release a DLC every quarter. Subs are paying 39 to 45 dollars (depending on subscription length) with the non subscribers paying 40 dollars.

Now I am sure that this will be disputed by some saying that you don't have to buy the 40 dollar crown pack to get the DLC which is true. But the greatest value for your money is the 5500 crown pack.

I would say their metrics back this up. Everyone is spending about the same amount of money for game access. Now you will have people who spend more or less on crowns. However, I would argue that the ones who spend less are on the low side of the graph.

If this wasn't the case then the model ZOS uses would be different.

ZOS will have analytics showing the amount of cash that people spend for both subs and non-subs which ultimately defines their model. Given the strategy they're using for the Crafting Bags, I would also assume that on average subs are spending more cash than non-subs. I'm not disputing that.

What I'm saying is that there will be non-subs who will be spending the same amount of cash in the Crown Store as subs and as a result their monetary value of ESO (and also ZOS's reliance on them) is equal and I don't believe they should be excluded from the Crafting Bags.

clayandaudrey_ESO

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Other:
Introduce some sort of loyalty system that gives non-subs Crafting Bags according to a certain requirement (e.g. Purchased all DLCs, has spent over a certain amount in the Crown Store relative to when they started playing, etc).

I get the argument that subs reduce risk by giving projected sales but regular Crown Store purchasers also do as well. If the amount of cash spent is the same, the monetary value of ESO is the same and therefore the same benefits should be given. Realistically, there's no difference between these two groups seeing as subs can also stop spending cash very quickly.

I am pretty sure there is a reason that ZOS has the model they do. I would guarantee that they have analytics that show the amounts of money customers spend. I would say that those numbers show that a lot of non subscribers buy the 5500 crown packs at DLC release. 5500 crowns = 40 dollars. Release a DLC every quarter. Subs are paying 39 to 45 dollars (depending on subscription length) with the non subscribers paying 40 dollars.

Now I am sure that this will be disputed by some saying that you don't have to buy the 40 dollar crown pack to get the DLC which is true. But the greatest value for your money is the 5500 crown pack.

I would say their metrics back this up. Everyone is spending about the same amount of money for game access. Now you will have people who spend more or less on crowns. However, I would argue that the ones who spend less are on the low side of the graph.

If this wasn't the case then the model ZOS uses would be different.

ZOS will have analytics showing the amount of cash that people spend for both subs and non-subs which ultimately defines their model. Given the strategy they're using for the Crafting Bags, I would also assume that on average subs are spending more cash than non-subs. I'm not disputing that.

What I'm saying is that there will be non-subs who will be spending the same amount of cash in the Crown Store as subs and as a result their monetary value of ESO (and also ZOS's reliance on them) is equal and I don't believe they should be excluded from the Crafting Bags.

You and I are saying the same thing except the part about subs paying more. Everyone one is paying essentially the same amount of money to play this game. Otherwise the model would be different.

ESOplus should be all inclusive with the few benefits it has and then everything going else should be purchasable in the crown store.

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Sunburnt_Penguin

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

ИВАН_ВОДКА wrote: »

@clayandaudrey_ESO you all guys didnt know about Kinguin?

you can buy time card there
$14.21 = 3000 crowns + 60 days ESO+

where the heck you can find cheaper offers?
official site? kidding?

Most people don't even come to the forums. I would say most people don't know of this.

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Other:
Introduce some sort of loyalty system that gives non-subs Crafting Bags according to a certain requirement (e.g. Purchased all DLCs, has spent over a certain amount in the Crown Store relative to when they started playing, etc).

I get the argument that subs reduce risk by giving projected sales but regular Crown Store purchasers also do as well. If the amount of cash spent is the same, the monetary value of ESO is the same and therefore the same benefits should be given. Realistically, there's no difference between these two groups seeing as subs can also stop spending cash very quickly.

I am pretty sure there is a reason that ZOS has the model they do. I would guarantee that they have analytics that show the amounts of money customers spend. I would say that those numbers show that a lot of non subscribers buy the 5500 crown packs at DLC release. 5500 crowns = 40 dollars. Release a DLC every quarter. Subs are paying 39 to 45 dollars (depending on subscription length) with the non subscribers paying 40 dollars.

Now I am sure that this will be disputed by some saying that you don't have to buy the 40 dollar crown pack to get the DLC which is true. But the greatest value for your money is the 5500 crown pack.

I would say their metrics back this up. Everyone is spending about the same amount of money for game access. Now you will have people who spend more or less on crowns. However, I would argue that the ones who spend less are on the low side of the graph.

If this wasn't the case then the model ZOS uses would be different.

ZOS will have analytics showing the amount of cash that people spend for both subs and non-subs which ultimately defines their model. Given the strategy they're using for the Crafting Bags, I would also assume that on average subs are spending more cash than non-subs. I'm not disputing that.

What I'm saying is that there will be non-subs who will be spending the same amount of cash in the Crown Store as subs and as a result their monetary value of ESO (and also ZOS's reliance on them) is equal and I don't believe they should be excluded from the Crafting Bags.

You and I are saying the same thing except the part about subs paying more. Everyone one is paying essentially the same amount of money to play this game. Otherwise the model would be different.

ESOplus should be all inclusive with the few benefits it has and then everything going else should be purchasable in the crown store.

My bad, when I first read your reply for some reason I interpreted it as a disagreement.

By me saying "on average subs pay more" that's because I imagine a large percentage of non-subs don't get any Crowns at all. Anyway, that's all conjecture and largely irrelevant to point we're making because if Crafting Bags are implemented through Crown Store purchases in any shape or form, that group won't be bothered anyway.

Lysette

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, but I'm alright with increasing inventory for everyone.

I think that a general increase of bag space to about 100 from the very start would be beneficial for the game. In too many games - especially if those are free to play - inventory space limitations are an annoyance which can make a new player leave, even if he/she has bought the game - simply because it smells like having to pay real money later on and not just a bit - in a way it is that way, I guess nearly all who have maxed out inventory space have done so with some crown store enhancements.

Whilst this is ok later on, when you just want to max out the last few bag spaces, it is a real annoyance for new players, who struggle with the inventory management instead to play the game. It would be a clever move IMO, to give all players some more generous inventory space from the very start, so that they can play and get into the game, instead to struggle with micromanagement. I know a lot of people who really hate micromanagement and it would make them leave if they have to.

Edit: this said, ESO+ is a really good offer - but on the other side, I know people from less fortunate countries or who are still in education and for whom money is real tight, too tight to spend it on such an extra in a game.

For all others, who can afford it, go get ESO+ - with the new poisons come new plants and oils, which will take a bunch of inventory spaces from those you already have too few of - don't be a cheap cake, ESO+ is the solution to this problem.

idk

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, but I'm alright with increasing inventory for everyone.

First, thx Zos for giving subs a very useful reward for our regular payments.

Second, this un-scientific and poorly written poll (to many options that are the same thing) will not even begin to demonstrate the thoughts of our gaming community as a whole, by design. As such it is worthy of being ignored.

nimander99

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, and DO NOT increase the inventory of other players.

Acrolas wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

I hope this forces all you cheap bastids to pay some money which makes our game better in the long run. Stop being so cheap.

Disney Infinity made a billion dollars in about three years.
Canceled.
Strong licenses, explosive initial growth.
Canceled.
Market leader in its genre.
Canceled.

There are so many huge and expensive variables outside the scope of my wallet that thinking that $15 or so a month is ever going to make a difference is... reckless. Popularity is a collective yet nebulous force, and if ZOS can't sustain it, that's not on me. That's entirely on them.

If it comes down to either listening to community sales cheerleaders or letting the sky fall, then by all means, let it fall. Because I've never seen a sales cheerleader in the know. Every single one does it for their own personal interest in the game as opposed to any solid financial proof.

Crafting bags, exclusive in-game club, sparkle hover ponies - there's no bait on the end of that hook that will ever make me change my position. ZeniMax can shut ZOS down next year if they want to, regardless of sales. I don't control the outcome, and neither does anyone else regardless of how many crowns they've purchased or how many months they've been subscribed. I will never be charitable toward ignorance. Nobody knows right now when this is all ending and for what reason.

My sub doesn't matter, and neither does yours.

You actually started making a good point then lost me at no one spending money on a game matters... *facepalm

idk

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, but I'm alright with increasing inventory for everyone.

Have to agree ^^^^^

Fukutsu

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, but I'm alright with increasing inventory for everyone.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

First, thx Zos for giving subs a very useful reward for our regular payments.

Second, this un-scientific and poorly written poll (to many options that are the same thing) will not even begin to demonstrate the thoughts of our gaming community as a whole, by design. As such it is worthy of being ignored.

Thx for demonstrating your thoughts and not ignoring the thread!

rotaugen454

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, and DO NOT increase the inventory of other players.

Maybe they could do a smaller bag in the crown store but it shows patches and is moth-ridden, while the sub bag is shiny, and when it is opened, a beam of light shines on it from above while angelic voices sing "Laaaaaaaaaa!".

Fukutsu

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, but I'm alright with increasing inventory for everyone.

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

Fukutsu wrote: »

@clayandaudrey_ESO
I think you lost me. I'm not sure what you and I are discussing at this point. If ur saying that you agree that nonsubbers are substandard people, thats just weak sauce. I'm not really sure of ur position or what we are talking about. I think we may have taken each other the wrong way.

Reading comprehension is a good thing. Try it sometime.

You're such a gem! Marked post as insightful!

Korah_Eaglecry

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, and DO NOT increase the inventory of other players.

Give players a crafting bag that they need to have subbed to continue utilizing (minus the ability draw stuff out of it once you unsub) or some one off purchases of bag increases that will be repeated a handful of times by an account before never being purchased again.

Kind of see why theyre going with Subs.

TheSpin

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, and DO NOT increase the inventory of other players.

Acrolas wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

I hope this forces all you cheap bastids to pay some money which makes our game better in the long run. Stop being so cheap.

Disney Infinity made a billion dollars in about three years.
Canceled.
Strong licenses, explosive initial growth.
Canceled.
Market leader in its genre.
Canceled.

There are so many huge and expensive variables outside the scope of my wallet that thinking that $15 or so a month is ever going to make a difference is... reckless. Popularity is a collective yet nebulous force, and if ZOS can't sustain it, that's not on me. That's entirely on them.

If it comes down to either listening to community sales cheerleaders or letting the sky fall, then by all means, let it fall. Because I've never seen a sales cheerleader in the know. Every single one does it for their own personal interest in the game as opposed to any solid financial proof.

Crafting bags, exclusive in-game club, sparkle hover ponies - there's no bait on the end of that hook that will ever make me change my position. ZeniMax can shut ZOS down next year if they want to, regardless of sales. I don't control the outcome, and neither does anyone else regardless of how many crowns they've purchased or how many months they've been subscribed. I will never be charitable toward ignorance. Nobody knows right now when this is all ending and for what reason.

My sub doesn't matter, and neither does yours.

It is a bit unfair to compare ESO and Disney Infinity for one major reason: Inventory!

Infinity did not 'fail' but it did not live up to expectations. Their expectations caused them to produce way more units than they sold, and Disney has too many irons in the fire to get bogged down in salvaging a product that isn't selling as well as they hoped. I play infinity with my kids, and I have noticed the price dropping on figures consistently since I started collecting them. I bought every single Marvel figure from Disney 2.0 for 5 bucks a piece and every store I go into has a ton of them lying around for 5 bucks. Even most 3.0 figures are down to 10-12 a piece. The whole franchise is dependent on the sale of physical items.

ESO consists of purely digital content. They don't have to worry about inventory management. They can create DLC and Costumes and Mounts to their heart's content, and they just need to sell enough of the things to justify the development cost, they have no factories producing crafting bags or purple glowing cats.

I guess my point to all of this is that Zenimax is a Video Game Company, Bethesda is a Video Game company. They are willing to put more effort into ensuring the success of their main products. Disney wants to take over everything kids do and think and eat and breathe and then it wants those kids to grow up and do the same thing to their kids. Different goals.
ESO will benefit from subscriptions and we will benefit by having bags to hold all our stuff!

newtinmpls

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, but I'm alright with increasing inventory for everyone.

Fukutsu wrote: »

@Taisynn

Hey we pretty much have all agreed that the Craft Bag should be an exclusive.
Also, I think most people think its bull crap that ESO plus members don't get the DLC's included.

I am an ESO sub-er and I do get the DLC's included.

Are some having an issue with that?

clayandaudrey_ESO

He wants them as if he purchased them.

Miszou

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, and DO NOT increase the inventory of other players.

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Maybe they could do a smaller bag in the crown store but it shows patches and is moth-ridden, while the sub bag is shiny, and when it is opened, a beam of light shines on it from above while angelic voices sing "Laaaaaaaaaa!".

ShedsHisTail

Allow Inventory space to be increased for the price of gold beyond the 140 space limit.

I think my biggest question here is... What the hell are you people keeping in your banks?

ZOS already doubled the stack sizes of everything, significantly reduced the number of provisioning mats, took collectibles and pets out of your inventory entirely... All of those things greatly reduced the amount of bank space anyone needs.

I've been playing since beta, I've accumulated a ton of crafting stuff. I've still got room to spare. I just can't imagine any scenario where you would need -that- much stuff in storage.

What are you filling these banks up with? Why are you holding on to all that crap?

I think the crafting bags are a great incentive for ESO Plus members, but I see no reason not to increase the carry capacity with gold. If you want to invest, fine. I wouldn't argue with being able to stay out of the city for a while longer.

ShedsHisTail

Allow Inventory space to be increased for the price of gold beyond the 140 space limit.

newtinmpls wrote: »

Fukutsu wrote: »

@Taisynn

Hey we pretty much have all agreed that the Craft Bag should be an exclusive.
Also, I think most people think its bull crap that ESO plus members don't get the DLC's included.

I am an ESO sub-er and I do get the DLC's included.

Are some having an issue with that?

You get it "included".
That is, you can play the DLC as long as you remain subbed. If you cancel the subscription, you lose them.

newtinmpls

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, but I'm alright with increasing inventory for everyone.

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

I think my biggest question here is... What the hell are you people keeping in your banks?
.

Um the short answer is ... everything.

Okay in order to shed light on my particular addiction/issue, I'll say that I'm an alt-o-holic AND a pack rat. And despite having subbed on two accounts (on one for almost two years now - so it's been ... awhile). I STILL have characters at lvl, 5, 7, 9, 11 that I'm playing (and all the way up) so I still have all my stacks of all my mats from lowbie to high-bie.

I stall on refining till I'm out of tempers (or really low) so I have stacks of refined (mostly from compulsive deconning - if it's a "ornate" I'm about .... 30% likely to sell it, 70% to decon it). So even with the stack increase to 200, I still have about 2-3 stacks of everything (refined and unrefined) for clothier, blacksmithing and woodoworker. I have about 200 of every food ingredient (I tend to sell stuff over 200; except for a very few).

I save the dropped sets I valued enough to improve to purple (lowbie Warlock), the stuff that looks "interesting" (i.e. the first character I leveled all the way to vet16 was a dunmer DK; on the way EVERYTHING that looked interesting but he didn't want (i.e. it was for a tank or healer or something I "might play later") I sold duplicates but kept a lot. I save a lot of set jewelry "just in case".

When I steal something that seems interesting, I keep it. So my Archer has her "lucky bronzed acorns", my sweetly romantic Orc/battlemage has his "torchbug jar" that he uses to make an occasional "nightlight" for him and his wife, my goblin has her "eye of the queen action figures".

And everybody has some fishing mats or other.... and probably some siege engines (I overbuy, rarely play and then ... well I don't want to just dump them).

Volkodav

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, but I'm alright with increasing inventory for everyone.

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Other:
Introduce some sort of loyalty system that gives non-subs Crafting Bags according to a certain requirement (e.g. Purchased all DLCs, has spent over a certain amount in the Crown Store relative to when they started playing, etc).

I get the argument that subs reduce risk by giving projected sales but regular Crown Store purchasers also do as well. If the amount of cash spent is the same, the monetary value of ESO is the same and therefore the same benefits should be given. Realistically, there's no difference between these two groups seeing as subs can also stop spending cash very quickly.

BUT,..can ZOS guarantee that Crown Store purchasers will always buy a certain amount of crowns every month though?
That's the thing. Subbers can be guaranteed to pay their subs.At least those who have been subbing for some time.They tend to stick with it.

newtinmpls

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, but I'm alright with increasing inventory for everyone.

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

You get it "included".
That is, you can play the DLC as long as you remain subbed. If you cancel the subscription, you lose them.

Don't plan on unsubbing... but then I was warned about choices. Made my choice. See no need to stress about it.

ShedsHisTail

Allow Inventory space to be increased for the price of gold beyond the 140 space limit.

newtinmpls wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

You get it "included".
That is, you can play the DLC as long as you remain subbed. If you cancel the subscription, you lose them.

Don't plan on unsubbing... but then I was warned about choices. Made my choice. See no need to stress about it.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat.
No worries here.

notimetocare

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, and DO NOT increase the inventory of other players.

ESO plus only, want quality of life fixes?fund the game. Subs are important for investment. Crown store can make alot but it is not reliable or constant. Subs mean more focus on game than on costumes.

Sunburnt_Penguin

Volkodav wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Other:
Introduce some sort of loyalty system that gives non-subs Crafting Bags according to a certain requirement (e.g. Purchased all DLCs, has spent over a certain amount in the Crown Store relative to when they started playing, etc).

I get the argument that subs reduce risk by giving projected sales but regular Crown Store purchasers also do as well. If the amount of cash spent is the same, the monetary value of ESO is the same and therefore the same benefits should be given. Realistically, there's no difference between these two groups seeing as subs can also stop spending cash very quickly.

BUT,..can ZOS guarantee that Crown Store purchasers will always buy a certain amount of crowns every month though?
That's the thing. Subbers can be guaranteed to pay their subs.At least those who have been subbing for some time.They tend to stick with it.

I can stop my sub today and not pay any more money which is the same as a non-sub. If the cash paid between a sub and a non-sub is the same, they therefore share the same monetary value of ESO are also subject to same risk.

THBronx

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, and DO NOT increase the inventory of other players.

Taisynn wrote: »

I have rehashed this so many times.

When you outright buy the DLC, your perk is your forever access to it. You get it as long as the game lasts. Your investment can never be taken from you should you stop paying into the game.

Subscribers pay MORE overtime for access to these DLCs, and the moment we stop paying POOF no more access. That investment disappears along with the money we put into it.

Subscribers need a better perk than just three days off our research time, 10% exp bonus, and some gold incentive. These are practically nothing. So we get ONE nice thing for making sure the game has steady revenue every month. Without us this game would cease to exist.

So, stop with the "it's not fair," rhetoric. You want the crafting bag, pay the $15 a month.

And the crowns we get everymonth? Hardly enough to get anything nice. And we're paying more for them on average.

And this whole "privacy" argument about not wanting to use a credit card - go to your local game store, gas station, etc. and go buy an ESO plus card. That's what my boyfriend and I do.

I buy my sub AND buy crowns for the vanity items. Don't argue we don't do the same just because we sub.

+ 1
I pre-ordered it and stopped playing after some time. I came when it turned into B2P + sub mode. And I still don't sub but imo that's totally fair to who pays, have more benefits!

If you compare ESO with other games, you'll see that who pays is giving a lot of money for almost nothing. They deserve that. ESO is far away from being P2W and who pays monthly just deserves more benefits.

newtinmpls

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, but I'm alright with increasing inventory for everyone.

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

I can stop my sub today and not pay any more money which is the same as a non-sub. If the cash paid between a sub and a non-sub is the same, they therefore share the same monetary value of ESO are also subject to same risk.

And (to continue the commitment metaphor) if you are married, you can divorce.

But there is still a certain class of ... subject (MMORPG or potential spouse/date) that likes to reserve the "good stuff" to someone who actually commits.

clayandaudrey_ESO

They have plenty of benefits for their money. I will reiterate that I will sub for 1 month and immediately cancel it to get the bag. I will dump 6 mules and my guild bank into the bag. Use the 30 days to farm like crazy. Then I will have all that space (alts and guild bank) to fill up over time.

Is this the thought you had about gaining subs because they are going to get exactly 15 dollars from me. I may have to resub in about a year to dump inventory again but that is not the steady income some of you a harping on.

Volkodav

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, but I'm alright with increasing inventory for everyone.

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Other:
Introduce some sort of loyalty system that gives non-subs Crafting Bags according to a certain requirement (e.g. Purchased all DLCs, has spent over a certain amount in the Crown Store relative to when they started playing, etc).

I get the argument that subs reduce risk by giving projected sales but regular Crown Store purchasers also do as well. If the amount of cash spent is the same, the monetary value of ESO is the same and therefore the same benefits should be given. Realistically, there's no difference between these two groups seeing as subs can also stop spending cash very quickly.

BUT,..can ZOS guarantee that Crown Store purchasers will always buy a certain amount of crowns every month though?
That's the thing. Subbers can be guaranteed to pay their subs.At least those who have been subbing for some time.They tend to stick with it.

I can stop my sub today and not pay any more money which is the same as a non-sub. If the cash paid between a sub and a non-sub is the same, they therefore share the same monetary value of ESO are also subject to same risk.

Will you commit to buying the same amount of crowns every month? Not subbed? People who buy crowns only,and not sub,have no incentive to purchase them every month.They are "casuals" in that they cannot be relied on for income every month.They are just casual income. They purchase crowns whenever they want something.If there is nothing they want to buy,they dont buy crowns,..for the majority of non-subbed players.
Non-dependable income is the non-subber who buys crowns.Sure,they buy a lot,..sometimes.That is the point.

Volkodav

Make Craft Bags ESO plus exclusive, but I'm alright with increasing inventory for everyone.

newtinmpls wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

I can stop my sub today and not pay any more money which is the same as a non-sub. If the cash paid between a sub and a non-sub is the same, they therefore share the same monetary value of ESO are also subject to same risk.

And (to continue the commitment metaphor) if you are married, you can divorce.

But there is still a certain class of ... subject (MMORPG or potential spouse/date) that likes to reserve the "good stuff" to someone who actually commits.

Well said.