Miszou wrote: »

What's the point in increasing inventory for everyone? Just to lessen the value of ESO+ or so people don't feel left out?

Everyone gets a reward for participation, even if they just sat on the sidelines the entire time?

Even when participation costs $60 + the Console Multiplayer Subscription fees...

Are there enough posts about this yet?

ArchMikem wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

What's the point in increasing inventory for everyone? Just to lessen the value of ESO+ or so people don't feel left out?

Everyone gets a reward for participation, even if they just sat on the sidelines the entire time?

Even when participation costs $60 + the Console Multiplayer Subscription fees...

Anyone ever do a poll regarding how many console players EXCLUSIVELY play ESO and NO OTHER online game they need the console multiplayer sub fees for?

Because that would be the only reason to claim this. If you the only game you play online that needs the console sub fees for is this one. Unless I'm confused and you have to pay the xbox and psn fees for each game you play online? That would be more than just $60 a year.

@Taisynn

Hey we pretty much have all agreed that the Craft Bag should be an exclusive.
Also, I think most people think its bull crap that ESO plus members don't get the DLC's included. They seem to treat yall like garbage. I think ESO plus members should understand especially well, that there may not be enough incentive for new players to get ESO plus, when we can just buy the DLC and crowns. I am not going to sub for the Bag either. It's just not worth it.

I think adding 50 spaces via gold purchase is reasonable. It would help ESO plus members too.

@Iluvrien
Didn't mean to nit pick your post. I didn't even realize the increase space was because of new items. I still get the vibe from people, that the general view of increasing inventory via gold is something like:

"Since ESO plus members have had crap perks, we ESO plus members want to ignore that an increase inventory space of 50 would make the game better because it would make us feel less special about the craft bag."
Please don't feel attacked, I am trying to communicate as best I can.
I don't understand why the 50 space increase discussion, and this bag, are so closely tied together. I think the increase is good, but I mostly get bad feedback from ESO plus members. I feel like if they hadn't screwed the perks of ESO plus, we would be getting a different reaction. If that is true, than I feel like it validates that the inventory increase would otherwise be a sound move for the game.

@NeillMcAttack

We are not talking about making the bag available with gold, just an increased inventory via bag merchants.

You had one of the best posts so far with the idea of using a one month sub as quick use of the bag.
Sub for a month, get the perks for a month, get the bag for a month, and keep the items in the bag forever until needed. You would still get 1500 crowns plus an inventory liquidation. It's like a crown + temp. storage purchase.

Although this seems kinda similar to a crown store purchase, it would still keep the bag restricted to non eso plus.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

The point of the Crafting Bags is to entice players to get ESO + and to reestablish the value of the subscription. For two years now Crafters and every day Players alike have been able to get along with the current system and theyve even increased the inventory and banks in that time as well. Get a sub if you want the Crafting Bags. No one owes you anything if youre not willing to spend money and they dont have to compromise their steady profits for your unstable profits.

Dude it's pretty clear that an ESO plus membership sucks.

I am willing to spend money. I have all the DLC's, the imperial upgrade, and I will be getting the new mount available at the end of the month. You guys are just butt hurt that you're treated like crap, and can't admit that increasing the bank or inventory cap, using the same gold transaction, would help the game overall.

Why would I ever want a sub to something that means I lose my skill lines and DLC's if I ever stop paying? I have them for life with the DLC. End of story. Especially after hearing how upset you guys are, I will not ever get ESO plus.

Not everyone needs to have the same things. I think many people support the idea of an alternative method of increasing inventory space that is outside of the new crafting bag. I believe they need to increase the option to increase bank and inventory space via gold and/or crown store purchases.

Either buy the subscription or don't. I really don't care. It's your money.

If you want the crafting bag, pay for it. But don't expect ZOS to start handing out bonus inventory space just because you don't want to pay for something. And don't expect them to put the most enticing money-maker in the store for a one-time purchase, just so you can get it cheaper in the long run.

If you want the perks of a subscription, then pay for the subscription. Otherwise, suck it up and move on.

The bag option is available to everyone. The End.

I re-subbed for the bags, so obviously I'm okay with the paradigm they've created.

If non-subs want to pay gold or Crowns to allow themselves to spend less time playing the Inventory Minigame, I support that. Limited inventory with a massive number of crafting materials has been a flaw in this game since Day 1.

No matter what the perk they come up with for ESO+, if it is really desirable non-subs will also want it. And for some it will be absolutely essential so the game is just broken without it. Anything really worth having. So if ESO+ gets access to new fonts...no one cares. But if they gain the ability to teleport to anywhere on the map (not just wayshrines) the non-subs will scream. So there is no perk ZOS can give to ESO+ that actually makes the subscription worth getting but that won't upset a lot on non-subscribers.

Add in the fact that ZOS is a for-profit business and I conclude they will not be giving people a significantly cheaper way to get craft bags.

IMO raising the cap for inventory slots from the crown store seems reasonable and I saw an interesting proposal for renting a bag for crowns.

Unlimited crafting bags should only be for subscribers. I am okay with a limited increase of inventory slots for a fee as an option for non-subs.

Taisynn wrote: »

Subscribers need a better perk than just three days off our research time, 10% exp bonus, and some gold incentive. These are practically nothing. So we get ONE nice thing for making sure the game has steady revenue every month. Without us this game would cease to exist.

I agree that subs should be entitled to both better and indeed more perks but saying the game wouldn't exist without you is overstating facts slightly, afterall if subs alone were capable of sustaining this cash grab on a much loved titles license by an inadequate studio then there would have been no need to go the B2P route. I doubt very much there'd be anywhere near the amount of dlc release without console launch and the B2P model.

By placing a much requested ease of use option behind a monthly sub pay wall after selling us the B2P model I personally feel I've been scammed yet again by Ubizo$, they've finally and completely turned this B2P customer off from purchasing any future crown store items or dlc, subscription model customers are welcome to the craft bags, you can also pay for my future ESO server usage from now because I certainly won't be subbing just because they're holding my inventory options hostage.

And this is how p2w slowly advances, with great applause