I think it's funny how I said things like this back in febuary this year... Yet Somehow these things weren't fully realized till Now? the design teams... "face palm" Anyway here's some stuff I got royally flamed for back then...(called an idiot, told I was crazy and on drugs, that I need to get some skill and l2p, etc) And just wanted to say I wish more of you would have stood next to me before these nerfs hit...and not against me.


"This won't hold of sorcs if we don't receive attention like this... instead of one shield most sorcs use now, we'll see alot more shield stacking and resto staves to compensate for this weakness...which would only make fighting sorcs worse (believe me on this plz) in pvp"

"it's really simple. if sorcs can't rely on class abilities to mitigate damage, they'll go to a weapon ability.
Let me put it this way... I'm against shield stacking. I want us to rely on just 1. I don't want to have endless battles with sorcs with ward+harness magicka+ healing ward... But if they don't give a slight buff to ward, we will see resto staffs as the Normal equipment for sorcs.That new normal... has massive implications for the game as a whole. as a sorc myself... I don't want to see that change. so just "MAINTAIN" the same respective strength of shields."

"When you mess with a skill that is the bread and butter of a class, and produce content that specifically targets it, it has far reaching results."

"I understand non-sorcs hate shields... but if you got rid of shields...do u know what we'd have? less damage output then everyone, Less life then everyone else, and we'd be the most gimped class their is.
The war on shields needs to stop, and we need to start realizing the way we "FEEL" about shields may no longer be supported by what is "Actually" happening in reality. And that infact that they could use a little boost, not a new series of nerfs"

"We are the counter class to nightblades sir. so yes... we are supposed to be able to take out nightblades, just as they are supposed to be able to burst us down if they catch us with our pants down. The "trick" is to turn the battle into a *sustained fight* from a *burst fight*...and for that ladies and gentlemen...Ward is absolutely the key to doing that. "

"Thats for being reasonable. I mean geeze.... but seriously...with the way talks are going ...sorcs might be screwed. I know my sorc tanking sets/build are on the chopping block right now. Like seriously, I may not even be able to tank anymore despite the Massive under taking and investments I had to do.
People don't seem to understand that our "defense" is our shield. we don't have massive hp to make use of heals, we don't have massive damage mitigation... in pve and pvp we're basically one shots without shields. People act like sorcs are OP...but there are no statistics or submitted posts showing this. How you feel about sorcs isn't the actual reality.
2 WB spammers will slaughter just about any sorc under the sun in 3 seconds flat.
if the nerfs go through, not only will we lose the ability to tank, we'll also lose a viable defense in pvp. "

"Sorcs enjoy a healthy give and take meta right now. Ward alone is a little on the weak side and could use a buff when used alone. But otherwise we're doing okay. Nerfing Ward will have Major results across the game. as I have highlighted in previous posts."

"I recognize and see lots of things.. but that isn't what this post is about. I am saying TG and the incoming nerf train is going to *FORCE* players to pick up a restoration staff, and your going to see a lot more shield stacking as a end result of "ward" not being enough damage mitigation. Every class has damage mitigation options, Every Class can shield stack, and I have half the mind to prove it with a screen shot. it's just that every class has Far better defensive options then a shield. because shields have zero resistance (except cp) ...."

"Shields are already getting a huge nerf to their effectiveness and have steadily been getting worse, The next round of nerfs basically promises sorcs to have the worst set of class specific damage mitigation techniques...so to compensate we're all going to have to pick of restoration staffs to offset that weakness. We don't have other options like other classes as far as that goes."

"Disagree with it if you want, but I think there should be room for magickal tanking verses Stamina based health bloats just standing there with their shield getting punched in the face. And for that to be a more common build, we need supporting gear, and things to not erroneously pack 35k attacks that go straight to hp and ignore shields, and more tank type stuff. I mean we have Tools to use like pets, Old time necropotence set from the vr 12 days, and a few other things to help... but it isn't supported in the current meta. a slight buff to ward would prolly fix that.

Sorcs are at the bottom of the dps latter at the moment, and OL is broken. What we have is utility. and even that is being attacked because we "survive" to long x.x "

"shouldn't we all be speaking up for our classes gutted defensive mechanics? "

"Our shield "stacking" is scheduled for demolition. They're revamping Stamina dps to be much stronger and the power creep is getting even deeper with every DLC while damage mitigation for every class has been getting weaker. Hence why alot of the elites have been slotting shuffle and running vamp while popping invisibility potions+ slotting purge for dots. <<<<which are damage mitigation techniques not on the chopping block btw.>>>> if sorcs receive the treatment they're talking about...sorcs will be not only the weakest sustained dps, limp noodles with broken overload (it randomly decides not to even cast till a death sorts it out) , but we'll also be the weakest link as far as damage mitigation goes."

NativeJoe wrote: »

So kinda a recap here... I see alot of sorcs picking up their resto staves...
arn't happy with their DB shields anymore...
And alot of you called me crazy for asking for a slight buff.

now look at us.

I didn't anticipate the full gravity of everything that is happening ...but did anticipate us being shoe horned into cookie cutter builds. and I'm just saying... told you guys so.

I agree with you though. The duration was never the issue. The fact that it was uncrittable and easy to maximize was the issue.

SlayerTheDragon wrote: »

Sorcs need to be fixed so that they don't need to rely on shields (like the other classes).

Perhaps... I'm still waiting for our class identity at this point. we've been double triple quadruple wammied at this point and its getting pretty painful. More painful then putting a toothpick underneath your toe nail and kicking the wall.

Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

With the recent developments in pvp and pve, I believe us sorcs need a *slight*adjustment in our shields. with bosses hitting for 34k (past the threshold of 99% of sorcs ward), and pvp players hitting for 14+k Wrecking blows in pvp (which is the average sorcs shields +3k) and the coming Darkflare madness of 22k+ hits in pvp we need a slight adjustment...which is somewhat fair since we're going to be getting dots on our shields and we already have an entire set built to go right past them...

Before the rage machine starts let me say this: sorcs have 1 shield the rest of you don't have access too. and most of you have plenty of other defenses, mitigation techniques, and your *own* form of shields...

But in past metas we got a shield strong enough to repel 1 strong attack, and 2-3 lesser attacks. If we *don't* see an adjustment to our shield values we'll be relegated to our shields taking half of a strong attack, and our pve tanking abilities are being hampered as well by the absolutely *beast mode* hits even the smallest daedra can push out.

This won't hold of sorcs if we don't receive attention like this... instead of one shield most sorcs use now, we'll see alot more shield stacking and resto staves to compensate for this weakness...which would only make fighting sorcs worse (believe me on this plz) in pvp, and more sorc exclusivity in pve because if we're all running resto staves....why do we need a templar?

in other words... not giving a small buff to ward at this point , will make the next patches sorcs adapt...and that adaption won't benefit anyone.

lol. No. also didnt even bother reading past the title.

And then you're stupid for not even reading the post. You got nothing worthwhile saying when you've not even bothered reading through the post so just go away or read the post and then come back after you're done being an ***.

Ban.

Edit. Ok sorry, you seem to be new @mouton, but this is a year old post, shouldn't be necroing threads like this. Go ahead and start a new one if you want.

Increase sorcs shield? fine, make vigor stack with itself endlessly.

"Sorcs need a Shield buff!"

You meant nerf right ?

Let me paint a picture for you:
Sorcerer is probably the only class in eso that can go full dps and still be a tank. 90% of cyrodiil population are sorceres for a reason (btw. what kind of class balance it is ? )
Spamming only 3 skills:
1 - Streak - to stun other players and escape (if necessary) faster than a sprinting mount.
2 - Haunting Curse - to deal enormous dmg (twice) just by spamming 1 button (basically it is fire & forget skill, and additionally it puts you out of stealth - even if it there is nothing like that in skill description).
3 - Conjured Ward (and its mophs) - This is just hilarious skill. It allows you tu have a stack-able dmg shield that absorbs ridiculously high dmg. 15 people chases you ? No problem ! Just spam this dmg shield and they can't do nothing about it...

Minalan wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

So you dont need to block? You don't need to equip a shield to raise your armor level? You dont need to add points to health to survive the cc burst thru your wards? Just buff the easy button. Got it.

Quick question. Do you actually eat solid food or just puree stuff mommy feeds ya.

So BoL, wings, block, and cloak aren't 'easy buttons' either? You're hilarious.

Lol. Equip a shield? You know Sorcs are bound to Destro/resto staves right? So we should give up healing and damage to equip a sword and board?

I'm with everyone else here. Remove shield stacking. Buff hardened ward. I can use the slot. I NEED the slot.

Nope not wings, reflective scales is arse and will probably forever be arse.