Sorcs need a Shield buff!

NativeJoe

AfkNinja wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

Thornen wrote: »

To the op

roigseguib16_ESO wrote: »

I am considering developing a Post of the day awards and grant it to people who obviously have a very clear and strong idea of how the game mechanics work and how the game would be more balanced. Like for example this post, where everything makes a lot of sense and suggesting a shield buff for sorcerers is the answer to the real problem in PvP.
Because in terms of role, Sorcerers are magic users, so they should be overpowered anyway, why not overpower them a bit more?
Cheers pal, I congratulate you for recieving the first Post of the day award. Enjoy it man

Thanks.... I *think*.

But sorcs are not Over~Powered. At least till I see some kill counter evidence that says otherwise. My kill counter definetly doesn't say im overpowered lol >>>>>> http://i.imgur.com/WBfKq2U.png <<<<is mine If you guys can show me direct evidence that highlights that sorcs are face rolling you, I'll concede. but I really doubt that is going to happen becuase while sorcs may "feel" like a dominant force to you. They may not actually be at all.

Dude...seriously? Do you even review your own numbers?

147 deaths /1207 total fights = Vs Templar Death rate = 12.1%
142 deaths /887 total fights = Vs DK death rate 16%
485 deaths /1718 total fights Vs NB death rate 28%
243 deaths /1086 total fights = Vs Sorc death rate 22.3%

Your numbers clearly match the Meta. NB and Sorcs are the FOTM builds and are clearly superior, your own numbers prove it. Sorcs do not need a shield buff unless they get rid of shield stacking. If you have low health it's your own fault for putting nothing into health. And your earlier rant on Templar's is hilarious, it's easy to make a class seem OP when you present evidence with no context. Do you know what it takes for that Templar to heal to full with "1 press of a button", to even get close we have to be in execute range, standing in our rune or ritual and pray for a crit. It's not like every heal I throw out is 15K +++. If we mistime that by even a little we get executed. This is also completely ignoring the intense cost of the spell and the fact that Templar has no passive resource regeneration.

When your shield is dropped you still have HP to fall back on, we don't. It's your own fault if you only have 11k-15k HP behind that shield. We have to survive a burst to recover from it and we don't have the option of pre-emptively loading extra health to survive through an attack (shield stacking).

Templar is the hardest class to kill in the game? Are you joking? Your own numbers show Templar don't stand a chance against you when you are beating them at 10-1. 88% chance to win that fight not good enough for you?

Hardest to kill doesn't mean u have they have the ability to kill you. I don't shield stack, and a 3 kills to one life ratio isn't good by any means. and I should be hard to kill. I'm wearing v16 gold gear, running molag kena and 3 arcane wisdom rings, and gold weapons. and I've been playing pvp for a year in azura star. So I know how to roll dodge, block, and animation cancle. even with all that 3/1 isn't exactly a good ratio. I know dks that are 8/1 templars that are 11/1

I mean you don't run outside bleakers kill 1 guy, and go die to the next do you? or fight off 1 ganker and die to the next?

Now I don't support nerfs to anyone, I just ask to be brought up to par. and I think "ward" needs to be brought up to "par" since it will be taking such huge hits to it next patch, and the scaling of damage is going up. whether they add a cast time to it and the other stuff is up in the air... but the facts that are in... say 9-12k ward isn't going to be enough to deflect 1 strong attack come the 7th of next month. Thats 1 of the things im fighting here.

NativeJoe

sagitter wrote: »

DO YOU KNOW what is stupid OP with shields? and what could balance well things without putting a casttime or nerf the value?
Seriously , an ability like shields that makes sets like hunding rage, julianos almost completly useless, that makes useless 2 mundus stones (thief and shadow) , that makes useless weapon traits like precise ,that makes useless passive abilities that increases crit chance like inner light or expert hunter, potions, or nb passives... How can u say it is balanced???

LET THE DAMN SHIELDS TAKE CRIT DAMAGE!!!!!!

Sir.... they have already said they are putting that in. They are also making them dot-able. and don't worry... come the 7th you can put champion points into the "Shield breaker" champion star. They are also talking about removing shield stacking all together and putting a 1.5 second cast time on shields, and making it something you can bash or cast something to interrupt.

So Sorcs will either be forced to shield stack in TG, kill their opponents before they reach them, or simply run away with streak and the 2 dodge rolls we get whenever anyone comes close to us.

bedlom

I think templars are more in need of a buff.

wayfarerx

bedlom wrote: »

I think templars are more in need of a buff.

Understatement of the year.

arcantonias

my hardened ward is almost 12k in pvp without inner light or bound aegis. if you have an 8k hardened ward then you need to get better gear or something. slot a heal like everyone else, dont just expect to use hardened ward and rely on your health regen and power surge to heal lol.

AfkNinja

@NativeJoe

Your own numbers....

You lose 1 in ten against Templars. One in freaking ten. How can you not acknowledge that if you are winning 90% of the time the balance is off? Trust me, you aren't THAT good.

Against DK you win 84% of the time. How can you not acknowledge that if you are winning 84% of the time the balance is off? Trust me, you aren't THAT good.

Against balanced classes, NB and Sorc, you win a paltry 3-1. 3 wins to one loss is supposed to be bad now? Clearly you are skilled, but you are not so good that your skill alone is leading to 84-90% win ratio vs certain classes. It's obvious to anyone unbias that Sorc is tuned up and ready to roll, stop acting like Sorc's are weak little kittens that need help to grow up into lions. You're already a Lion.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Thornen wrote: »

To the op

How about ZOS this to sorcerers asking for shield buffs instead....

Eshelmen

Your shields are absolutely more than enough right now. Sorcs can tank as good as anyone with the right set up. Dodge in, take a beating and give a beating and dodge right back out with out breaking a sweat. Enough of this balance crap. If you're skilled with what you have, you can seriously ruin ones day. Sorcs need shield buffs......lmfao

NativeJoe

Eshelmen wrote: »

Your shields are absolutely more than enough right now. Sorcs can tank as good as anyone with the right set up. Dodge in, take a beating and give a beating and dodge right back out with out breaking a sweat. Enough of this balance crap. If you're skilled with what you have, you can seriously ruin ones day. Sorcs need shield buffs......lmfao

Are they? What about next patch? have you looked at the CP stars? have you looked at the various changes they are talking about with shields? Have you looked at how hard skills are hitting the 7th next month?

NativeJoe

arcantonias wrote: »

my hardened ward is almost 12k in pvp without inner light or bound aegis. if you have an 8k hardened ward then you need to get better gear or something. slot a heal like everyone else, dont just expect to use hardened ward and rely on your health regen and power surge to heal lol.

Your also in decked out gear, and have close to CP cap, if not already at CP cap. realize that the majority of players are in the sub 250 range, are wearing blues and purples, and base game vet dungeons are hard for them.

NativeJoe

AfkNinja wrote: »

@NativeJoe

Your own numbers....

You lose 1 in ten against Templars. One in freaking ten. How can you not acknowledge that if you are winning 90% of the time the balance is off? Trust me, you aren't THAT good.

Against DK you win 84% of the time. How can you not acknowledge that if you are winning 84% of the time the balance is off? Trust me, you aren't THAT good.

Against balanced classes, NB and Sorc, you win a paltry 3-1. 3 wins to one loss is supposed to be bad now? Clearly you are skilled, but you are not so good that your skill alone is leading to 84-90% win ratio vs certain classes. It's obvious to anyone unbias that Sorc is tuned up and ready to roll, stop acting like Sorc's are weak little kittens that need help to grow up into lions. You're already a Lion.

I'm not saying the other classes don't need to be brought up... I'm against all nerfs.

As for How it "feels" out there. I actually "feel" like Dks that pack a 2h, and reflect spam are everywhere and will wreck me almost every time if they have decent gear on. But thats how I "feel", thats not the reality. if someone else would post their kill count, maybe we can have an intelligent debate about it. till then it lacks the impact I'm looking for.

Oh and those are expected numbers for sorcs and NBs, we're counter classes, and sorcs have the same options I do...so it comes down to skill and gear. so atleast with these two it's expected.

Forestd16b14_ESO

I think people need to stop posting already. With as funny as this thread is mister Joe is just gonna say and cry what ever he can to make people believe that sorcerer shields need buffed even after ZOS said that they are looking for ways to make them less OP be adding them to the minor/major system or a cast time.

Like Joe no matter what you say or cry about sorcerer shields are already plenty OP how they are now and no excesses about shield breaker or the new shatter shield CP will change that cause any sorcerer with a brain can easily beat a shield breaker user and the shatter shield CP only boost you attacks against a damage shield by a % value. So got say 5% damage boost against shields well then your say 5k is now 5250 and they really doesn't help when a sorcerer can just hit 1 button to recovery the shield.

Artjuh90

DEATHquidox wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

Dude, stack more shields - last night I did 80K damage in less than 10 seconds to a sorc and never touched his health. This is a L2P issue, sorcs need no more shields.....

And that person wasn't running just 1 ward where they? they where running multiple because WARD was not strong enough to mitigate 1 attack. so they where "adapting".... x.x oddly enough... This is exactly what im trying to say is going to happen in the vast majority of sorcs if things go like this. You *think* your pointing out a issue that disproves my fortelling of the future so you can be part of the mob...but reality, you encountered another one of the sorc converts to this play style x.x

Well wait. The guy has a point. Templars I see heal them selfs full health in 1 breath of life and use their spear thing and can deal 5k with 1 hit and it's a stun and they heal off of it. Okay? Dks have their own heal. NB have mark target That heals them for 40% of their health and they have stealth. Sorcs have their ward that protects them for 8k damage. That's 1 surprise attack. That's half a wrecking blow. Thats 7/8ths of a snipe. That's 1 swallowing soul ect ect. We have frags but that has to be proced for it to do anything other than that it's a spell that can be reflected. It's also a 1 second cast. You guys are rediclous with this. He's saying a slight boost to 1 shield. Yall have access to every other shield that sorcs have we don't have a class heal at all. Be sides critical surge and sorcs don't crit much besides with frags and that's if you dont have a shield up and don't reflect it. Zos. Look into this

there is so mutch wrong with this post so let me start:
mark the beter healing one heals for 57% -> ~30% in PvP
templars heal themself to full with a spell crit not a normal heal.
DK heals in PvP are a joke dragonblood really? their heal with the ult is fine but need their ult to heal
CF has 30 or 35% to be instant if you are hardcasting then L2P.
magicka sorc has shields + good hels with resto staff so no reason to cry about not being healed + you probably being frouped and with your min hp you are probably being focussed being healed with BoL....

NativeJoe

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

I think people need to stop posting already. With as funny as this thread is mister Joe is just gonna say and cry what ever he can to make people believe that sorcerer shields need buffed even after ZOS said that they are looking for ways to make them less OP be adding them to the minor/major system or a cast time.

Like Joe no matter what you say or cry about sorcerer shields are already plenty OP how they are now and no excesses about shield breaker or the new shatter shield CP will change that cause any sorcerer with a brain can easily beat a shield breaker user and the shatter shield CP only boost you attacks against a damage shield by a % value. So got say 5% damage boost against shields well then your say 5k is now 5250 and they really doesn't help when a sorcerer can just hit 1 button to recovery the shield.

Yes... instead of listening to my points, or anyone elses points. lets all not read or post on this thread because shields are OP, and we need not think further then that... Right.

How about you express a counter opinion in an intelligent way. Debate rationally...and don't just take the easy cop-out way, IE by calling me an idiot, a whiner, a drug addict, or a l2p charity case?

Drakilian

14k wrecking blows don't happen without crits, especially not with our new CP resistance.

Same with the dark flares.

Don't exaggerate.

NativeJoe

Drakilian wrote: »

14k wrecking blows don't happen without crits, especially not with our new CP resistance.

Same with the dark flares.

Don't exaggerate.

And... You've measured them and have contrary supporting evidence with BIS gear, or is this just your opinion? What is your main if this is an opinion? how long have you been playing, etc... If I am to take you based on your claim it is not, then I need supporting credentials of some kind. Otherwise for all I know im talking to a vr 2 NB with 30 champion points.

qrichou

Just play with a highelf templar and see the differance

Sypher

NativeJoe wrote: »

hunthordeub17_ESO wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

So no, the guy doesn't have a point. If ANYONE thinks their shields arn't high enough on a Sorc its a L2P issue..

This is exactly right. I've seen plenty of good sorcs that are almost impossible to kill because they know how to play. Not trying to be rude, but it's the truth. In fact, I thought OP was just trolling...suggesting that shields need a boost. I think they are too strong. =P

I'm sorry people like sypher who play defensivly and get slaughtered all the time are giving you the perception that sorcs are lol~stomping all of you across the battle field.

What .. ??

NativeJoe

qrichou wrote: »

Just play with a highelf templar and see the differance

wouldn't the best race for *healing and resistances" purposes not be High elf, but breton. putting that aside... I'm just trying to address an issue for sorcs. I don't know in detail what is going on in every class, because I don't play the other classes.

Sypher wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

hunthordeub17_ESO wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

So no, the guy doesn't have a point. If ANYONE thinks their shields arn't high enough on a Sorc its a L2P issue..

This is exactly right. I've seen plenty of good sorcs that are almost impossible to kill because they know how to play. Not trying to be rude, but it's the truth. In fact, I thought OP was just trolling...suggesting that shields need a boost. I think they are too strong. =P

I'm sorry people like sypher who play defensivly and get slaughtered all the time are giving you the perception that sorcs are lol~stomping all of you across the battle field.

What .. ??

haha, no offense but the perception that since you have a large following and have many videos of yourself out there in the fields Train wrecking people with stacked shields, that every sorc is doing that is simply wrong. only reason I brought you up haha

But the fact is, even You are not made invincible, shield stacking or not. You still die obviously. As prolly one of the best Sorcs around, do you run kill counter? care to post what a "good" kd ratio is?

Artjuh90

NativeJoe wrote: »

qrichou wrote: »

Just play with a highelf templar and see the differance

wouldn't the best race for *healing and resistances" purposes not be High elf, but breton. putting that aside... I'm just trying to address an issue for sorcs. I don't know in detail what is going on in every class, because I don't play the other classes.

Sypher wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

hunthordeub17_ESO wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

So no, the guy doesn't have a point. If ANYONE thinks their shields arn't high enough on a Sorc its a L2P issue..

This is exactly right. I've seen plenty of good sorcs that are almost impossible to kill because they know how to play. Not trying to be rude, but it's the truth. In fact, I thought OP was just trolling...suggesting that shields need a boost. I think they are too strong. =P

I'm sorry people like sypher who play defensivly and get slaughtered all the time are giving you the perception that sorcs are lol~stomping all of you across the battle field.

What .. ??

haha, no offense but the perception that since you have a large following and have many videos of yourself out there in the fields Train wrecking people with stacked shields, that every sorc is doing that is simply wrong. only reason I brought you up haha

But the fact is, even You are not made invincible, shield stacking or not. You still die obviously. As prolly one of the best Sorcs around, do you run kill counter? care to post what a "good" kd ratio is?

so you think you know balance yet you play only one class. roflcopter

Sypher

NativeJoe wrote: »

qrichou wrote: »

Just play with a highelf templar and see the differance

wouldn't the best race for *healing and resistances" purposes not be High elf, but breton. putting that aside... I'm just trying to address an issue for sorcs. I don't know in detail what is going on in every class, because I don't play the other classes.

Sypher wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

hunthordeub17_ESO wrote: »

SirDopey wrote: »

So no, the guy doesn't have a point. If ANYONE thinks their shields arn't high enough on a Sorc its a L2P issue..

This is exactly right. I've seen plenty of good sorcs that are almost impossible to kill because they know how to play. Not trying to be rude, but it's the truth. In fact, I thought OP was just trolling...suggesting that shields need a boost. I think they are too strong. =P

I'm sorry people like sypher who play defensivly and get slaughtered all the time are giving you the perception that sorcs are lol~stomping all of you across the battle field.

What .. ??

haha, no offense but the perception that since you have a large following and have many videos of yourself out there in the fields Train wrecking people with stacked shields, that every sorc is doing that is simply wrong. only reason I brought you up haha

But the fact is, even You are not made invincible, shield stacking or not. You still die obviously. As prolly one of the best Sorcs around, do you run kill counter? care to post what a "good" kd ratio is?

Oh sorry I just misunderstood what you were saying. That makes sense.

My kill counter on my sorc currently has 7,000+ kills with 1,000+ deaths. Pure solo and outnumbers gameplay. I know people who run in organized raid groups though who go 50-100 kills before dying. So KD is a bit iffy when it comes to analyzing a class.

NoMoreChillies

can you crit shield? no
can you dot shield? no

/endthread

Drakilian

NativeJoe wrote: »

Drakilian wrote: »

14k wrecking blows don't happen without crits, especially not with our new CP resistance.

Same with the dark flares.

Don't exaggerate.

And... You've measured them and have contrary supporting evidence with BIS gear, or is this just your opinion? What is your main if this is an opinion? how long have you been playing, etc... If I am to take you based on your claim it is not, then I need supporting credentials of some kind. Otherwise for all I know im talking to a vr 2 NB with 30 champion points.

You don't get a 28k WB tooltip (which is what's necessary to get that kind of damage - since the damage you deal is basically the unmitigated damage from the tooltip cut in half). If you do, YOU please post it here, haha.

Also, don't be an ass, level and champion points mean nothing. I came to the game 6 months ago and i've taught veteran players in-game who I've destroyed how to play properly and how to theorycraft their ***. My toom absolutely doesn't have best in-slot gear because the grinding that takes is *** ridiculous and I much prefer to PvP, but I don't need to have best in slot gear to know that you're not getting a 28k tooltip WB.

Hardest WB I've ever been hit by was from a glass cannon player with best-in-slot gear and Kena procs who used drinks. He dealt 14k damage on crits, 10.5 on non-crits.

With food he'd have dealt around 15.5k and 12k respectively. I'll factor in armour mitigation at ~5% (I wore medium armour, he wielded a sharpened maul, too early for me to do exact math).

That would have him dealing 16275k on crits and 12600 damage on a normal hit with no armour mitigation - I.e to a sorc's shields.

It's a complete misdirection, idiots coming in here and saying that because WBs hit for 14k shields should be buffed. Everyone agrees because *** wrecking blow right? Except they completely ignore the fact that a 14k hit with WB without a crit is literally impossible.

Besides which, most people are not this well geared out. Most people's WBs hit for 7-9k on a non-crit.

Now, will it be possible with thieves guild? Absolutely, Alchemist will see to that - but the physical resistance CPs will also be used extensively, most people will probably invest until at least 10%. Sorcs will max out Bastion then split their remaining points between Elemental Defender and Hardy. Such is the way of life. Damage will effectively remain the same.

Oh, and just engage in some *** reasoning next time instead of saying "What's your gear bro"?

Eshelmen

NativeJoe wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

Your shields are absolutely more than enough right now. Sorcs can tank as good as anyone with the right set up. Dodge in, take a beating and give a beating and dodge right back out with out breaking a sweat. Enough of this balance crap. If you're skilled with what you have, you can seriously ruin ones day. Sorcs need shield buffs......lmfao

Are they? What about next patch? have you looked at the CP stars? have you looked at the various changes they are talking about with shields? Have you looked at how hard skills are hitting the 7th next month?

I'm not talking about in the upcoming months, I'm talking about right now. SORCS can easily be the best PVP class in the game. I've encountered more good sorcs than bad ones. What does this tell me? That they don't need a buff at all.

Aletheion

I read through this thread and it's obvious that nearly no one seems to understand the OP's point (plus the countless recalls) to the fact that he's talking about the *near future* of shields, not the *current state*.

How many responses said "you can't crit a shield", or "damage is X and your shield can take it", or "I can't kill sorcs because of shield stacking", or whatever. None of which have anything to do with his point.

Lots of hate on the OP, but very few actually paying attention to his topic - which is:
Next patch, damage goes up and hardened ward's damage mitigation goes down. Add the 1.5 second cast time and sorcs survivability goes way down. They will have no other option than to stack shields (which everyone hates.. both the person having to do it, and the person trying to kill them). Lets call on ZOS to buff ward a bit (in light of the upcoming nerfs) so sorcs aren't *forced* to shield stack. (my paraphrase without the details).

Amazingly enough, he's not even calling on the nerfs not to occur. Just to buff the mitigation a bit along with the nerfs so ward isn't completely useless. In PVP a 9k shield (that offers no resistance, just raw buffer), that can be dotted and critted will be gone in one shot there is no doubt about that. So anyone saying "I can't one shot a shield" is not paying attention to his point. Sure, you can't today but you will tomorrow. Add the cast time, and the sorc is dead before further damage mitigation is re-cast unless he has the mandatory resto staff which sorcs don't want to be forced to carry.

Anyway, I don't know the guy and I'm not trying to defend him, but the vast majority of the responses to his point are simply irrelevant. Maybe my little rant will help additional responses be more relevant as I'd like to see actual dialog about this.

-Aletheion

DEATHquidox

sagitter wrote: »

DO YOU KNOW what is stupid OP with shields? and what could balance well things without putting a casttime or nerf the value?
Seriously , an ability like shields that makes sets like hunding rage, julianos almost completly useless, that makes useless 2 mundus stones (thief and shadow) , that makes useless weapon traits like precise ,that makes useless passive abilities that increases crit chance like inner light or expert hunter, potions, or nb passives... How can u say it is balanced???

LET THE DAMN SHIELDS TAKE CRIT DAMAGE!!!!!!

If they put a cast time on shields then I quit the game. Sorcs will surely be out gunned by everyone even a 1 second timer. We only have 1 shield to put up that's our defence. Literally you guys have every other shield yoy can stack if you want. But with how things are going if they add a cast time to shields the shield better cover alot more damage then 7-8k because any class does more than 8k in 1 second dark flair I've seen hit 10k+ suprise attack 8+ whip 8+ you guys have ur damage. We need our defence. Simple as that

DEATHquidox

sagitter wrote: »

DO YOU KNOW what is stupid OP with shields? and what could balance well things without putting a casttime or nerf the value?
Seriously , an ability like shields that makes sets like hunding rage, julianos almost completly useless, that makes useless 2 mundus stones (thief and shadow) , that makes useless weapon traits like precise ,that makes useless passive abilities that increases crit chance like inner light or expert hunter, potions, or nb passives... How can u say it is balanced???

LET THE DAMN SHIELDS TAKE CRIT DAMAGE!!!!!!

And on the crit damage part of it. Yall already break threw my shields in 1 hit why would I want it to crit to? I'd be dead if shielda crited. And sorcs have been freaking nerfed the past 3 updates. It's BS

RatedChaotic

Lmao....Sorcs need a shield buff....lol.....

NativeJoe

Drakilian wrote: »

NativeJoe wrote: »

Drakilian wrote: »

14k wrecking blows don't happen without crits, especially not with our new CP resistance.

Same with the dark flares.

Don't exaggerate.

And... You've measured them and have contrary supporting evidence with BIS gear, or is this just your opinion? What is your main if this is an opinion? how long have you been playing, etc... If I am to take you based on your claim it is not, then I need supporting credentials of some kind. Otherwise for all I know im talking to a vr 2 NB with 30 champion points.

You don't get a 28k WB tooltip (which is what's necessary to get that kind of damage - since the damage you deal is basically the unmitigated damage from the tooltip cut in half). If you do, YOU please post it here, haha.

Also, don't be an ass, level and champion points mean nothing. I came to the game 6 months ago and i've taught veteran players in-game who I've destroyed how to play properly and how to theorycraft their ***. My toom absolutely doesn't have best in-slot gear because the grinding that takes is *** ridiculous and I much prefer to PvP, but I don't need to have best in slot gear to know that you're not getting a 28k tooltip WB.

Hardest WB I've ever been hit by was from a glass cannon player with best-in-slot gear and Kena procs who used drinks. He dealt 14k damage on crits, 10.5 on non-crits.

With food he'd have dealt around 15.5k and 12k respectively. I'll factor in armour mitigation at ~5% (I wore medium armour, he wielded a sharpened maul, too early for me to do exact math).

That would have him dealing 16275k on crits and 12600 damage on a normal hit with no armour mitigation - I.e to a sorc's shields.

It's a complete misdirection, idiots coming in here and saying that because WBs hit for 14k shields should be buffed. Everyone agrees because *** wrecking blow right? Except they completely ignore the fact that a 14k hit with WB without a crit is literally impossible.

Besides which, most people are not this well geared out. Most people's WBs hit for 7-9k on a non-crit.

Now, will it be possible with thieves guild? Absolutely, Alchemist will see to that - but the physical resistance CPs will also be used extensively, most people will probably invest until at least 10%. Sorcs will max out Bastion then split their remaining points between Elemental Defender and Hardy. Such is the way of life. Damage will effectively remain the same.

Oh, and just engage in some *** reasoning next time instead of saying "What's your gear bro"?

Level and champion points do mean "something", if your going to be taking the "opinion" of someone, you have to know what perspective they are speaking from to weigh it's value. There is nothing Terribly insulting about it. If you have evidence or logical reasoning, I'd like it conveyed. if you presented screen shots, math, and that sorta thing; I would not have asked for credentials.

I've played sorc for a year straight on one character. So I've felt when shields get weaker, when they've been stronger etc... and on pts they feel the weakest they've ever been, and if they stack the nerfs it could be somewhat class destroying in the sense we'll be the only class that cannot stay inside a combat area and will have to be patrolling the outskirts of a skuffle shooting in. Because come TG, Sorc shields WILL NOT be enough to deflect the blow of 1 strong attack. they'll only be strong enough to block "part" of it. and if they add in cast times, and making ward interruptible you literally have to shield stack, and play defensively.

Sorcs enjoy a healthy give and take meta right now. Ward alone is a little on the weak side and could use a buff when used alone. But otherwise we're doing okay. Nerfing Ward will have Major results across the game. as I have highlighted in previous posts.

I'm not a shield stacker except when I'm playing Sorc tank, and most of the opposition says l2p and shield stack when I say ward isn't enough anymore, and certainly won't be in TG.

NativeJoe

Aletheion wrote: »

I read through this thread and it's obvious that nearly no one seems to understand the OP's point (plus the countless recalls) to the fact that he's talking about the *near future* of shields, not the *current state*.

How many responses said "you can't crit a shield", or "damage is X and your shield can take it", or "I can't kill sorcs because of shield stacking", or whatever. None of which have anything to do with his point.

Lots of hate on the OP, but very few actually paying attention to his topic - which is:
Next patch, damage goes up and hardened ward's damage mitigation goes down. Add the 1.5 second cast time and sorcs survivability goes way down. They will have no other option than to stack shields (which everyone hates.. both the person having to do it, and the person trying to kill them). Lets call on ZOS to buff ward a bit (in light of the upcoming nerfs) so sorcs aren't *forced* to shield stack. (my paraphrase without the details).

Amazingly enough, he's not even calling on the nerfs not to occur. Just to buff the mitigation a bit along with the nerfs so ward isn't completely useless. In PVP a 9k shield (that offers no resistance, just raw buffer), that can be dotted and critted will be gone in one shot there is no doubt about that. So anyone saying "I can't one shot a shield" is not paying attention to his point. Sure, you can't today but you will tomorrow. Add the cast time, and the sorc is dead before further damage mitigation is re-cast unless he has the mandatory resto staff which sorcs don't want to be forced to carry.

Anyway, I don't know the guy and I'm not trying to defend him, but the vast majority of the responses to his point are simply irrelevant. Maybe my little rant will help additional responses be more relevant as I'd like to see actual dialog about this.

-Aletheion

Wow... Someone that "read" and "understood" what I said , well u sir have just made my day.