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Make the range of Jesus Beam 18 meters.
KenaPKK
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Same as Impale.
That way, we can actually use all of the counterplay that ZOS says the skill has -- "just interrupt them!"
Perhaps even reduce the execute range to 25%.
Problem solved.
Edited by KenaPKK on May 5, 2016 7:38AM That way, we can actually use all of the counterplay that ZOS says the skill has -- "just interrupt them!"
Perhaps even reduce the execute range to 25%.
Problem solved.
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Soris✭✭✭✭✭
✭This destroys entire functionality of templar ranged dd build. I like my dark flare+dark flare+beam combo when i play. So no
Welkynd [Templar/AD/EU]11 -
Mumyo✭✭✭✭✭The skill entirely has to go away, its way too easy to get kills with it. It does 50% of the job and every noob just standing there and channeling it finishes you off that easy. It's like the noobish wb spam. There is no counterplay to it.
It should be like: If someone interrupts u during the beam, u explode for 50% of ur own health.
But noobfriendliness bringts numbers, so no... they won't change it.Edited by Mumyo on May 5, 2016 8:03AM7 -
GilGalad✭✭✭✭✭The skill entirely has to go away, its way too easy to get kills with it. It does 50% of the job and every noob just standing there and channeling it finishes you off that easy. It's like the noobish wb spam. There is no counterplay to it.
It should be like: If someone interrupts u during the beam, u explode for 50% of ur own health.
But noobfriendliness bringts numbers, so no... they won't change it.
Its not just bash. Crushing shock, poison arrow, purge, purifying ritual, cloak, every heal when you are above 50% plus block. Every class and build has access to at least one counter to it. As long as there are not several people using the beam on you this will work. If you are outnumbered against a group with at least two Templars then you will probably die anyway.
The comparison with impale doesn't really hold since it's an instant cast with much less counters (block, dodge). So would you mind to stoptrying to ruin PVE skills that are important to keep Templars on par with other DPS?
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DeanTheCat✭✭✭✭✭Why not make Jesus Beam take a "Snapshot" of your health on cast, like the Vampire ability "Drain Essence". That way if someone was beaming you at full HP, the beam would deal low damage throughout the channel and someone who was using it as an execute would benefit?
Couple this with changing the execute to only starting to scale from 30%, and I think it will be much better then the current Jesus Beam.
EDIT: Contextual errors.Edited by DeanTheCat on May 5, 2016 8:39AMDean the Cat
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Please read this before creating yet another nerf thread.
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KenaPKK✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The skill entirely has to go away, its way too easy to get kills with it. It does 50% of the job and every noob just standing there and channeling it finishes you off that easy. It's like the noobish wb spam. There is no counterplay to it.
It should be like: If someone interrupts u during the beam, u explode for 50% of ur own health.
But noobfriendliness bringts numbers, so no... they won't change it.
Its not just bash. Crushing shock, poison arrow, purge, purifying ritual, cloak, every heal when you are above 50% plus block. Every class and build has access to at least one counter to it. As long as there are not several people using the beam on you this will work. If you are outnumbered against a group with at least two Templars then you will probably die anyway.
The comparison with impale doesn't really hold since it's an instant cast with much less counters (block, dodge). So would you mind to stoptrying to ruin PVE skills that are important to keep Templars on par with other DPS?
All of those ways to interrupt Jesus Beam don't matter when you have 3 people using it on you from the back of a group of 8. Also interrupting it is meaningless because they will just recast it...
Also, Impale has more counterplay. Dodging and blocking are cheap and easily accessible defensive mechanics available to everyone. You can block or dodge...oh, just about everything...but not Jesus Beam. That *** will burn you from 40m away through your blocks and dodges, and you can't do anything about it if they have friends or are far enough away.7 -
Mumyo✭✭✭✭✭The skill entirely has to go away, its way too easy to get kills with it. It does 50% of the job and every noob just standing there and channeling it finishes you off that easy. It's like the noobish wb spam. There is no counterplay to it.
It should be like: If someone interrupts u during the beam, u explode for 50% of ur own health.
But noobfriendliness bringts numbers, so no... they won't change it.
Its not just bash. Crushing shock, poison arrow, purge, purifying ritual, cloak, every heal when you are above 50% plus block. Every class and build has access to at least one counter to it. As long as there are not several people using the beam on you this will work. If you are outnumbered against a group with at least two Templars then you will probably die anyway.
The comparison with impale doesn't really hold since it's an instant cast with much less counters (block, dodge). So would you mind to stoptrying to ruin PVE skills that are important to keep Templars on par with other DPS?
The problem is, its way too easy to place on someone, it literally is the easiest ability to use in this game and it is horribly hard hitting, before u can interrupt it you allraedy ate like 2 ticks.2 -
Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭I always cloak it and then sneak to the caster with a lotus fan+soul tether+sap essence+VD= dead!!
In DB, proxy detonation will be invisible also
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As a MagNB, I rarely got killed by jeasus beam!!
Also, as a Healpar!!
I had to block and apply purifying ritual+ Mutagen!Edited by Van_0S on May 5, 2016 9:01AM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The worst part of this fricken skill is theres always one A-hole standing way back behind 10 others chain casting it on you nonstop while the other 10 are beating on you.
Tonight had one such instance of an AD scrubplar that cast it on me not 5 times, not 7 times, but EIGHT straight times while I had 3 nightblades trying to chain fear and SA spam me down. He did exactly zero else.
Such a weak move.Edited by Rylana on May 5, 2016 9:02AM@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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Caza99✭✭✭✭The worst part of this fricken skill is theres always one A-hole standing way back behind 10 others chain casting it on you nonstop while the other 10 are beating on you.
Such a weak move.
Hey I'm that one A-hole
I'm addicted to salt and rage tells, this is fastest way to get both >:D PC NA - @MercerESO6 -
Rylana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The worst part of this fricken skill is theres always one A-hole standing way back behind 10 others chain casting it on you nonstop while the other 10 are beating on you.
Such a weak move.
Hey I'm that one A-hole I'm addicted to salt and rage tells, this is fastest way to get both >:D
Its also the quickest way to make you look like a total zergbad with absolutely no skill whatsoever. Stand way back, no recourse or risk at all, apply and just stand there. Seems legit.
Especially when the target is a fully shielded sorc with full health and resources, and your whole gameplan is to just keep it on them the entire time someone else actually fights them. Weak.Edited by Rylana on May 5, 2016 9:15AM@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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Bdawwg✭✭✭All I seem to read about this skill is people in outnumbered situations like you said standing at the back of an 8 man group getting beamed. Well in a situation like that, you're gonna die anyway. What difference does it make, were you expecting to take on 8 people at once and survive?
There are countless posts sayin 1v1 and small scale it's fine but in zergs it's a problem, therefore it depends on the situation.4 -
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✭✭All I seem to read about this skill is people in outnumbered situations like you said standing at the back of an 8 man group getting beamed. Well in a situation like that, you're gonna die anyway. What difference does it make, were you expecting to take on 8 people at once and survive?
There are countless posts sayin 1v1 and small scale it's fine but in zergs it's a problem, therefore it depends on the situation.
Not necessarily.
Not at all in fact.
Besides, the same goes for 1v2-3 or few numbers like that, and those fights are fine.
"Hey you're going to die in some situations anyway, so just let it be op, whatever."7 -
Caza99✭✭✭✭The worst part of this fricken skill is theres always one A-hole standing way back behind 10 others chain casting it on you nonstop while the other 10 are beating on you.
Such a weak move.
Hey I'm that one A-hole I'm addicted to salt and rage tells, this is fastest way to get both >:D
Its also the quickest way to make you look like a total zergbad with absolutely no skill whatsoever. Stand way back, no recourse or risk at all, apply and just stand there. Seems legit.
Especially when the target is a fully shielded sorc with full health and resources, and your whole gameplan is to just keep it on them the entire time someone else actually fights them. Weak.
But Ry, the salt Mostly I just do it to people I know...like you >:D Beware mah Jesus beam Ry PC NA - @MercerESO3 -
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Not so op. 5 second long combo with 2 hard casted and one channelled spell. You can dodge first two with one dodge roll at max range. Only good as stealth opener.
Actually they could make that beam insta cast and make everyone happy. Or give back blinding flashes?Welkynd [Templar/AD/EU]0 -
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✭✭Yes. The range is one of the worst offenders of this skill. 41m range with reach passive. Everyone and their mother keeps saying "well just interrupt it." How about you make it possible for people to get to the target to interrupt, and we will.Edited by Jules on May 5, 2016 10:54AM8 -
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✭✭✭✭The worst part of this fricken skill is theres always one A-hole standing way back behind 10 others chain casting it on you nonstop while the other 10 are beating on you.
Such a weak move.
Hey I'm that one A-hole I'm addicted to salt and rage tells, this is fastest way to get both >:D
Its also the quickest way to make you look like a total zergbad with absolutely no skill whatsoever. Stand way back, no recourse or risk at all, apply and just stand there. Seems legit.
Especially when the target is a fully shielded sorc with full health and resources, and your whole gameplan is to just keep it on them the entire time someone else actually fights them. Weak.
Yes, templars should be strong and stack shields.
More seriously, switch to crushing shock and you're fine. If you're fighting 10v1, you will die...sorry, this is fair.3 -
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✭✭I guess I don't understand the defense of a skill which is 41m, undodgeable, execute with a (easily) >11k tooltip.
Flame noodle wants to compete, but can't. Even at 100% HP5 -
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✭✭✭I guess I don't understand the defense of a skill which is 41m, undodgeable, execute with a (easily) >11k tooltip.
Flame noodle wants to compete, but can't. Even at 100% HP
To be fair, every skill looks OP when compared to flame noodle.Invictus
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Bandit1215✭✭✭This destroys entire functionality of templar ranged dd build. I like my dark flare+dark flare+beam combo when i play. So no
I too play Templar but I agree with the OP because that combo is the worst form of cancer in this game. Sorry
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myrrrorb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭DeanTheCat wrote: »Why not make Jesus Beam take a "Snapshot" of your health on cast, like the Vampire ability "Drain Essence". That way if someone was beaming you at full HP, the beam would deal low damage throughout the channel and someone who was using it as an execute would benefit?
Couple this with changing the execute to only starting to scale from 30%, and I think it will be much better then the current Jesus Beam.
EDIT: Contextual errors.
There would be even more QQ. They would have to balance this by radically increases the damage done. And even if they didn't adjust it people would still QQ about how they can't dodge roll, because they want just one defense to rule them all.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The skill entirely has to go away, its way too easy to get kills with it. It does 50% of the job and every noob just standing there and channeling it finishes you off that easy. It's like the noobish wb spam. There is no counterplay to it.
This. The only time you can reliably stop the templar beaming you is if theres a controlled envirement in a 1v1. When in open cyro fighting at a keep and theres zerg vs zerg, radiant destruction is ridicilously overpowered and as mumyo sais here, its way too easy to get kills with it at max range and requires extremely little skills to use effectively. The range, the execute-range and the undodgeableness needs to be seriously looked at.
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