FlyLeaf30 wrote: »

What is going to happen to traits on gear and weapons previously that are legendary? Like, if we don't want that current trait anymore because it's changed from what we initially had.

This massive change to so much seems without any concept as if the accusation holds true that "ZOS doesn't play their own game".

Why would you make sweeping changes to traits and not change that you can remove and apply triats in crafting going forward for any found or crafted items ?

@ZOS_GinaBruno why in the Scrolls of all Elders would this not be done?

For the love of all that is right, please PLEASE don't do that to potent Nirn. Don't mess with something you had right.

Sharpened looks SIGNIFICANTLY better than any other DPS trait. Currently, nirnhoned is significantly better (for magicka) and all you appear to have done here is replaced one BiS trait with another, literally moving nirn's penetration and then some to sharpened and leaving nirn with (almost) nothing. Regarding vMA weapons as it stands right now sharpened is sometimes better than precise (less critical damage modifiers, higher resistance on boss) and precise is sometimes better (enemies with lower resistances, higher critical modifiers via trap, warhorn, and maybe Alkosh to reduce the relative value of sharp). Right now on PTS it appears that sharpened will be significantly better in almost all scenarios (though more testing will have to be done). In my opinion you should keep the current balance between sharpened and precise. I will admit that I am biased here as my vMA inferno is precise and I have no desire to grind another PvE weapon or craft another PvP weapon (especially with more crappy traits in the vMA loot pool soon), but I believe my point is a good one (different traits better for different things). Nirn could be bumped up a bit as well, looks like it will only be useful in dealing with shields atm (which admittedly will be far more common in DB).

SublimeSparo wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Nirnhoned is now a useless trait. At CP160 gold, it grants an additional 146 extra WD/SD. Compare to the 5160 extra penetration from Sharpened.

For a trait that is so difficult to obtain, turning it from BiS to such crap is... disappointing.

so i have to remake nearly all my f'kin weapons. What an utter pisstake.
Sorc 1 staff, 2 swords
Dk 2 staves
NB 1 staff 2 swords
Templar 2 swords 2 staffs
...
There just aren't words

Would you rather have the same gear forever then? geez.

I applaud this change.

What exactly is a "status effect"?

Just burning, chilled, concussed? Or passive procs like disintegrate? Armor procs like Bahara's Curse?

Joy_Division wrote: »

What exactly is a "status effect"?

Just burning, chilled, concussed? Or passive procs like disintegrate? Armor procs like Bahara's Curse?

Anything that either buffs, debuffs or causes damage over time would be a status effect I believe.

SublimeSparo wrote: »

sAnn92 wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

sAnn92 wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Nirnhoned is now a useless trait. At CP160 gold, it grants an additional 146 extra WD/SD. Compare to the 5160 extra penetration from Sharpened.

For a trait that is so difficult to obtain, turning it from BiS to such crap is... disappointing.

so i have to remake nearly all my f'kin weapons. What an utter pisstake.
Sorc 1 staff, 2 swords
Dk 2 staves
NB 1 staff 2 swords
Templar 2 swords 2 staffs
...
There just aren't words

Would you rather have the same gear forever then? geez.

I applaud this change.

I wouldn't mind grinding for new/ better gear/sets, but ruining my current gear isn't the same thing

Ruining?? How so. Cut off with the dramatic reaction, please.

Losing tons of damage, i will need to remake the same weapons same sets with diffetent traits.

Either you have precise, sharp or nirn on your weapons, at the very worst you'd have a marginal dps loss. By any means that's ruined, please...

SublimeSparo wrote: »

sAnn92 wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

sAnn92 wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

sAnn92 wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Nirnhoned is now a useless trait. At CP160 gold, it grants an additional 146 extra WD/SD. Compare to the 5160 extra penetration from Sharpened.

For a trait that is so difficult to obtain, turning it from BiS to such crap is... disappointing.

so i have to remake nearly all my f'kin weapons. What an utter pisstake.
Sorc 1 staff, 2 swords
Dk 2 staves
NB 1 staff 2 swords
Templar 2 swords 2 staffs
...
There just aren't words

Would you rather have the same gear forever then? geez.

I applaud this change.

I wouldn't mind grinding for new/ better gear/sets, but ruining my current gear isn't the same thing

Ruining?? How so. Cut off with the dramatic reaction, please.

Losing tons of damage, i will need to remake the same weapons same sets with diffetent traits.

Either you have precise, sharp or nirn on your weapons, at the very worst you'd have a marginal dps loss. By any means that's ruined, please...

Nirn on all of them, nirn is getting nerfed, Sharpened buffed, so it will be a noticeable damage loss snd extremely expensive to replace them.

Only that's just partially true, and still to be determined. There will be numerous cases where 22% extra spell dmge will out-perform 5k penetrarion. For example, vMol mobs have mostly a rather low amount of Spell Resistance, in environments like trials where debuffs are granted to be stacked sharpened would be pretty useless.

Just stop with this overreaction. You are doing nothing but spreading false information and unnecessary drama.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

I don't get the addition to Impenetrable. At least I never got my gear damaged from fighting players, and that trait is only useful in PvP....

Edit: Also shifting block cost reduction from HA to a gear trait looks like a really bad choice.

You get it from fighting Monsters in Imperial City...which is a PvP Zone.

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Guys, please don't ask for Sharpened to be nerfed, because they might just do it... and Nirnhoned will STILL be weak!

Instead, let's ask for for Nirnhoned to be BUFFED. If they add enough spell/weapon damage to Nirn, it will be useful.

Completely agree. I think of ZOS as the incorporated version of Sheogorath, without the humorous side.

Would you really want to ask him to change ANYTHING?

>After reviewing the changes we’ve made to item traits, are there any traits that you still don’t find appealing?
The difference between Reinforced and new Nirnhoned traits is now in quantities, not in qualities.
These two traits increase the same attribute but for different amount.
Nirnhoned trait is better than Impenetrable on all but 6 items - heavy and medium for chests, heavies for head, shoulders, legs and feet.
At the same time replacing legendary Reinforced shield, heavies for hands and waist with Nirnhoned items will increase my tank's armor rating by 260 only which is less that 1%.

Summary for legendary VR16 items:
- Tanks (full heavy and shield) will get a tiny buff to their armor rating.
- Full medium armor users will get a 315(2.4%) armor bonus comparing to Reinforced variant.
- Full light armor users will get 907(10%) armor bonus comparing to Reinforced variant.
- Full light armor users will get 3% spell resistance and 28% physical resistance bonus comparing to original Nirnhoned variant.

Traits looks pretty match the same for all but light armor users.
It would be nice to have more significant difference between these two traits, and I am not talking about sheer numbers.

All numbers below are for cp160 (a.k.a. VR16) items

Well fitted should be 10%(up from 5%) cost reduction to sprint and 5% cost reduction to dodge (gold item)
Sturdy should be 4%(up from 3%) cost reduction to block and 2% cost reduction to cc breaking (gold item)

I think that with the change, impen is a good trait in pvp and not an useful one in pve when you need to farm or something like that. It seem fair.

Nirnhoned and Reinforced are almost the same now. Could Reinforced favor more physical resistance and nirn more spellres?

sAnn92 wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

sAnn92 wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

sAnn92 wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

sAnn92 wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Nirnhoned is now a useless trait. At CP160 gold, it grants an additional 146 extra WD/SD. Compare to the 5160 extra penetration from Sharpened.

For a trait that is so difficult to obtain, turning it from BiS to such crap is... disappointing.

so i have to remake nearly all my f'kin weapons. What an utter pisstake.
Sorc 1 staff, 2 swords
Dk 2 staves
NB 1 staff 2 swords
Templar 2 swords 2 staffs
...
There just aren't words

Would you rather have the same gear forever then? geez.

I applaud this change.

I wouldn't mind grinding for new/ better gear/sets, but ruining my current gear isn't the same thing

Ruining?? How so. Cut off with the dramatic reaction, please.

Losing tons of damage, i will need to remake the same weapons same sets with diffetent traits.

Either you have precise, sharp or nirn on your weapons, at the very worst you'd have a marginal dps loss. By any means that's ruined, please...

Nirn on all of them, nirn is getting nerfed, Sharpened buffed, so it will be a noticeable damage loss snd extremely expensive to replace them.

Only that's just partially true, and still to be determined. There will be numerous cases where 22% extra spell dmge will out-perform 5k penetrarion. For example, vMol mobs have mostly a rather low amount of Spell Resistance, in environments like trials where debuffs are granted to be stacked sharpened would be pretty useless.

Just stop with this overreaction. You are doing nothing but spreading false information and unnecessary drama.

First, it's 11%, not 22%. And second, it applies just for that item. It's not a % boost to your overall SD/WD. Just a % boost to the SD/WD contribution from that weapon. Which means, for a CP160 golden staff, a measly 146 extra SD. If you would take that over 5K penetration or 7% crit chance, then you need to go back to the drawing board.