Auction house please.

Kozer · April 2016

The system as it is is stupid. And I cannot believe how some people actually think its fine.

"They've said it wont ever happen" Well they've said a lot of things
"ESO doesn't have to copy other mmos" Never said it should. But it should at least make a system thats better than it currently is.

Hell give us an "information" NPC that can tell us where items are selling for and what price. Make it cost 5 gold per search or something. That way I don't have to waste my limited playing time going from zone to zone trader to trader in the HOPE that maybe one will be selling the item I want at a decent price.

Parasaurolophus · April 2016

No!

Fischblut · April 2016

Auction house is on my "most wanted things in ESO" list

x_t7ink_x · April 2016

So exactly how many players are there on the EU server just on PS4 for example, now how many of them have wax, alloy, rosin, plants, ingredients etc. If you force all of those players to use one store to sell people would be constantly undercutting each other just to have there items sold, if each guild store i'm seeing has lets say 10 wax for sale and then suddenly there's a global store that's what 600-700 wax now for sale, not to mention anyone else that didn't have access to a trader that week.

Prices will go down and if you don't put a limit on what people can buy (which would be hard to control without upset) the rich will get richer and the poor will stay poor. Which is great until more new item drops occur and anyone with bad luck and isn't getting the necklace or ring of so & so won't be able to complete their set, because they can't afford the ridiculous prices they are because they are 'rare' so the rich (i.e the ones that have been playing a while) get the best and the new people get squat. Wasn't that the point of getting rid of the Vet ranks to make it a little fairer?

Answer to this increase drop rates, well wait isn't that what ZOS don't want - I mean didn't they say they wanted something for people to work for so they don't get bored and feel a sense of accomplishment.

Other than that it would put yet more pressure on the system, there already supposed to be introducing text chat to the console and the servers can't cope as they are.

'Canny take no more, she's going to blow' - All for lazy people that don't want to wander around a few guild stores, wheres your sense of accomplishment it's giving all those that complain there's nothing to do, something to do. I know people that get enjoyment out of the seeking bargains aspect of the traders. Roaming Tamriel to have a nose around.

A simple fix would be to introduce a text search into the guild traders, in fact i think this would be much better than scrolling through say 10,000 rings just to find a footman one, or 10,000 belts just to find the piece you want. Let's face it just how many items would be on there if everyone had 150 slots to use.

Fix the leak from your tap, don't replace the entire bathroom it's not needed.

Kozer · April 2016

x_t7ink_x wrote: »

Prices will go down and if you don't put a limit on what people can buy (which would be hard to control without upset) the rich will get richer and the poor will stay poor. Which is great until more new item drops occur and anyone with bad look and isn't getting the necklace or ring of so & so won't be able to complete their set.

I didn't realize that this system was any different from an actual auction house i that regard...

x_t7ink_x · April 2016

Kozer wrote: »

x_t7ink_x wrote: »

Prices will go down and if you don't put a limit on what people can buy (which would be hard to control without upset) the rich will get richer and the poor will stay poor. Which is great until more new item drops occur and anyone with bad look and isn't getting the necklace or ring of so & so won't be able to complete their set.

I didn't realize that this system was any different from an actual auction house i that regard...

Clearly you didn't read the entire post then

GaldorP · April 2016

I agree that the current system is horrible for buyers that are looking for something rare. It really takes me about 45 minutes just to check the guild traders in the main spot of each of the 15 core zones + Craglorn (so not even including all the ones in the wilderness in the 15 core zones [2 per zone], the ones on starter islands, Coldharbour, Wrothgar, Hew's Bane, and all the ones in Outlaw Refuges). That's with the help of the Awesome Guildstore addon on PC so I don't need to re-select the item category in every single guild store I check (and it also allows me to use a text filter).

After 45 minutes, there's a good chance none of the guild traders I checked is selling the item I need...

For sellers in large trading guilds with good spots the system works really well (I can sell anything that some player would want really fast if it's fairly priced). But it's horrible when you are looking for a rare item you want to buy (a rare recipe, for example, or a rare set item).

The auction system is also not very solid. Every week, the most active trading guilds on the server that are well-run and keep close to 500 active VR traders risk not having a guild trader for a full week if someone outbids them (and any small guild with 50+ members could easily do that if they wanted to harm them).

GaldorP · April 2016

Kozer wrote: »

The system as it is is stupid. And I cannot believe how some people actually think its fine.

"They've said it wont ever happen" Well they've said a lot of things
"ESO doesn't have to copy other mmos" Never said it should. But it should at least make a system thats better than it currently is.

Hell give us an "information" NPC that can tell us where items are selling for and what price. Make it cost 5 gold per search or something. That way I don't have to waste my limited playing time going from zone to zone trader to trader in the HOPE that maybe one will be selling the item I want at a decent price.

That's a great idea!

Bone_Demon · April 2016

x_t7ink_x wrote: »

'Canny take no more, she's going to blow' - All for lazy people that don't want to wander around a few guild stores, wheres your sense of accomplishment it's giving all those that complain there's nothing to do, something to do. I know people that get enjoyment out of the seeking bargains aspect of the traders. Roaming Tamriel to have a nose around.

If your idea of something to do in an MMO is to go around stores spread throughout the whole of Tamriel via various and numerous loading screens, then something is wrong with you seriously. Don't get me wrong here.. i think there is plenty to do in this game it's just your argument about this subject was really ***.

x_t7ink_x wrote: »

A simple fix would be to introduce a text search into the guild traders, in fact i think this would be much better than scrolling through say 10,000 rings just to find a footman one, or 10,000 belts just to find the piece you want. Let's face it just how many items would be on there if everyone had 150 slots to use.

Or better yet unify that search via single NPC.(not saying to get rid of guild traders here)

fr33r4ng3r · May 2016

No! Just No!

I really love that the system is distributed between guild owned traders. Could the current UI be improved? Absolutely! On PC I use the AwesomeGuildStore plugin and it's amazing. There is a real trade based economy in this world that can't be dominated by any single player or guild. I'm an active trader and I'll often visit the out or the way traders to see if I can pick up bargains to sell in our more centrally located and active guild store for a profit. The margins are pretty tight now that more is known about which items move and which don't. That's how things move around the world, players are buying stock and bringing it to the busier locations to sell again. If the item you're looking for isn't at one of the hub traders, chances are you won't find it at a reasonable price anywhere.

The guild trader system is a cornerstone of ESO and makes for really interesting and competitive trading game. It's a really nice alternate to combat sometimes.

KingMagaw · May 2016

I think this will never change as its a massive gold sink in the game. To blindly bid on trader spot so you don't lose it means your most likely overspending and with competition means the bid will change in time as more gold in game, more these spots will cost for prime locations where you can get a little bit more gold for an item as its in convenient towns like RAW/Deeshan.

Apart from bidding on trading spots, i cant see any gold sink in the game. My personal gold and stuff keeps building (All chars made, bp upgraded ~160 slots and all alts are full of stuff/junk), i find gold pretty much worthless in ESO, almost all items are a cakewalk to get so no need to spend gold. Repair costs are negligible also. Heaps of stacks of soul gems also.

I also think taking away/tweeking traders as they are now would lose a lot of player base who are simply farmers and love to buy/resell items to increase there gold stack. Some people don't play PvP, so PvE is there end game content. With it being mind numb easy for the majority, leaves only farmer'ish goals left like increasing gold in bank/doing achievements/unlocking dyes. Although how this continues to hold any substance i cant understand ))

I would rather play dungeons/pvp, than spend time shopping around all the traders to find a motif/specific level item but not sure how to address OP's concerns to streamline the efficiency of shopping.

disintegr8 · May 2016

Rather than an auction house, maybe a centralized item search. A well functioning tool that tells you if any guild trader has what you are looking for. It doesn't have to give you any prices, just tells you which guild stores have the item you want and where they are located.

This way the drudgery of the search is removed but you still have to 'shop' around to maybe compare prices. If you are happy to pay whatever the first price is, then you are done in a flash. If you are fussy about getting the cheapest price, spend as much time as you like checking out all the competitors prices.

Elsonso · May 2016

We don't need to replace the guild trader system. We need to make it work. What the guild trade system really needs is an overhaul of the UI. It is easy to use on the PC/Mac due to add ons. On the console, it is not. Even when moving from store to store, a decent UI can cut search times to a fraction. They need more traders for better access, tuned to the server population.

Seriously. ZOS has a terrible case of Attention Deficit Disorder. They start things and

notimetocare · May 2016

d e a d h o r s e

Vidahr · May 2016

I really enjoy the guild vendor system, it's very unique. The UI really needs an overhaul, though.

alexkdd99 · May 2016

Paneross wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

No I like the current system as it is.

I visit the major trading hubs (5 of them) when I am looking for something. If I can't find it in that assortment, it probably isn't available. This takes me about 30 minutes to do on average

Yes wasting time is very fun.

Not everyone is in a rush. I don't need to hunt something down often enough to be a problem. I usually find what I am looking for in 10 minutes or less. I go to the other hubs because I want to find the best price and I very often do find a lower price.

This system is a lot more competitive than a global AH. Much better than the constant super inflation that a global auction house promotes. The AH and economy in GW2 sucks because of it.

Just because you're not in a rush doesn't mean everyone isn't. You can still take your time if there was an AH, hell take all day. With a AH you can find the best price right there.

It really doesn't matter because traders are here to stay. I enjoy going around and looking for good deals. Auction houses just make it even easier for people to undercut your items. ZOS has made it pretty clear the current trader system is not going away

Hluill · May 2016

x_t7ink_x wrote: »

So exactly how many players are there on the EU server just on PS4 for example, now how many of them have wax, alloy, rosin, plants, ingredients etc. If you force all of those players to use one store to sell people would be constantly undercutting each other just to have there items sold, if each guild store i'm seeing has lets say 10 wax for sale and then suddenly there's a global store that's what 600-700 wax now for sale, not to mention anyone else that didn't have access to a trader that week.

Prices will go down and if you don't put a limit on what people can buy (which would be hard to control without upset) the rich will get richer and the poor will stay poor. Which is great until more new item drops occur and anyone with bad luck and isn't getting the necklace or ring of so & so won't be able to complete their set, because they can't afford the ridiculous prices they are because they are 'rare' so the rich (i.e the ones that have been playing a while) get the best and the new people get squat. Wasn't that the point of getting rid of the Vet ranks to make it a little fairer?

Answer to this increase drop rates, well wait isn't that what ZOS don't want - I mean didn't they say they wanted something for people to work for so they don't get bored and feel a sense of accomplishment.

Other than that it would put yet more pressure on the system, there already supposed to be introducing text chat to the console and the servers can't cope as they are.

'Canny take no more, she's going to blow' - All for lazy people that don't want to wander around a few guild stores, wheres your sense of accomplishment it's giving all those that complain there's nothing to do, something to do. I know people that get enjoyment out of the seeking bargains aspect of the traders. Roaming Tamriel to have a nose around.

A simple fix would be to introduce a text search into the guild traders, in fact i think this would be much better than scrolling through say 10,000 rings just to find a footman one, or 10,000 belts just to find the piece you want. Let's face it just how many items would be on there if everyone had 150 slots to use.

Fix the leak from your tap, don't replace the entire bathroom it's not needed.

My first reaction to reading your text is that you have never played another MMO. Greedy and stupid things happen on Global Auction Halls for sure, but none of them have actually ruined a game.

The current system is unaccessable to too many. Only at the higher levels, in the higher-leveled cities, do Guild Traders start to seem cool. For my low-levels, they suck.

As an example i just need some freakin' Blessed Thistle to finish a writ. The Guild Traders were worthless. Spending over an hour to find a single ingredient is a bit of a game breaker for me.

Another example is the Guild Traders in Newbie areas only selling upper-level gear. Who does this benenfit? Newbies can't zone hop all over the world. And what kind of business is the guild doing? And my newbie smith? Well, he's all out of the loop.

I would love to see the Guild Traders represent access to the global economy. Guilds would bid for the specific stalls and adjust the commissions and prices through their stalls as they see fit. The out-of-the-way stalls would have unique possibilities and the crowded stall areas could be really dynamic.

Elsonso · May 2016

Hluill wrote: »

As an example i just need some freakin' Blessed Thistle to finish a writ. The Guild Traders were worthless. Spending over an hour to find a single ingredient is a bit of a game breaker for me.

As an example, not too long ago I needed Wormwood to finish a writ. The first guild trader I looked at had what I needed. The trader was in Rivenspire. This is pretty much how it usually happens for me. I need something and I can usually find it pretty quick. If my own guilds do not have it, it is usually in some place like Mournhold, Rivenspire, Rawl, etc.

As for people selling high level stuff in low level areas, that pretty much depends on whether it is selling. I sell low level crafting materials in places like Mournhold and Wayrest and higher level materials in places like Rawl.

GarnetFire17 · May 2016

Makkir wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Zerok wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

I understand why you would want the that but IMI it would pretty much lead to less competition and more price fixing because everyone can see all the prices everywhere. The competition is better as it is precisely because we can't see all the prices for everything all at once.

I understand your argument but it's built on false premises.

The first false premise is that the current system prevents some players to control the market. This is clearly not the case. There have been multiple threads about this, notably on consoles where they do not have access to third-party addons like on PC. In a way, the addons saved (somehow) the PC economy from these anticompetitive practices.

The second false premise is that a global AH or a meta-search engine would lead to more anticompetitive practices. This is a half-truth, because it depends how it's implemented. In the real world, there is something called "antitrust laws" to prevent these anticompetitive practices. These could be replicated in the game code to protect the economy and the "consumers".

Nothing false in anything I've said. It is based on my direct experience with a global AH in other games. No developer is going to put anti trust coding in their AH system/economy.

A global AH won't fix the issues on consoles.

Your experience, not the majority experience.

You guys are also assuming the games are the same and they are not. Just because it works over there doesn't mean it will work over here. Consider end game gear and progression between these games. The best gear in WoW comes from PvE content and is Bind Pickup. You don't have BiS gear swimming all over the auction house there. ESO has a very different economy and quite frankly there isn't a whole hell of a lot of stuff to sell that is actually in demand. I can speak from experience because I can produce 800k in sales right now weekly whereas I could get twice that in previous weeks (new content is always the best).

There's just not enough product to support a global auction house. And believe it or not, there is a "fun" factor behind the current system, which by the way acts as a thickening agent right now in the economy.

disintegr8 wrote: »

Rather than an auction house, maybe a centralized item search. A well functioning tool that tells you if any guild trader has what you are looking for. It doesn't have to give you any prices, just tells you which guild stores have the item you want and where they are located.

This way the drudgery of the search is removed but you still have to 'shop' around to maybe compare prices. If you are happy to pay whatever the first price is, then you are done in a flash. If you are fussy about getting the cheapest price, spend as much time as you like checking out all the competitors prices.

that's not bad. would benefit everyone. even sellers would like that because it points people to what they are selling. brilliant really.

Hluill · May 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

Hluill wrote: »

As an example i just need some freakin' Blessed Thistle to finish a writ. The Guild Traders were worthless. Spending over an hour to find a single ingredient is a bit of a game breaker for me.

As an example, not too long ago I needed Wormwood to finish a writ. The first guild trader I looked at had what I needed. The trader was in Rivenspire. This is pretty much how it usually happens for me. I need something and I can usually find it pretty quick. If my own guilds do not have it, it is usually in some place like Mournhold, Rivenspire, Rawl, etc.

As for people selling high level stuff in low level areas, that pretty much depends on whether it is selling. I sell low level crafting materials in places like Mournhold and Wayrest and higher level materials in places like Rawl.

Maybe I'd feel better about Guild Traders if I'd had your experience, ever.

Just to be clear, i am not a big fan of convenience, either. But, this is a freakin' game and there a players that do not have the time, or knowledge, or level, to shop around the world to look for stuff. Maybe they're doing quests on Kenarthi's Roost and they want to shop for some new gear. The availability of such gear is up to a single guild trader. Maybe that same player loots a recipe and they don't want to provision. Spamming is their only tool for selling it to another player.

The current system is cute, but only works for a select group.

Sogreth · May 2016

YES PLEASE!

This "Guild Trader" nonsense was a cool idea, but it's very frustrating and not necessary.

arena25 · May 2016

Off-topic: Please use the search tool. There have been tens of thousands of these threads created. Please, we don't need another one. Keep discussion on whether or not we need an ah to one thread, pls.

On-topic: What's wrong with the guild traders?

k9mouse · May 2016

I still think that AH is bad for ESO and guild traders are just fine. I do not want an AH.

Chairo_Kuma · May 2016

See pc has search addon's to help looking for items and price comparison. We on console do not. If we on console could get a search function with listed prices we would be cool I think. Personally anything that helps cut down the time crunch in searching for items would be awesome really.

Wreuntzylla · May 2016

I don't know what the current system was designed to do, but I inevitably only buy from 3-4 mega-guild merchants who sell at reasonable prices. Could I save 2k gold by checking every merchant in Mournhold, Rawl kha or Craglorn? Maybe. How about 4k gold if I searched every merchant everywhere? Probably. I can make that 2k gold in a tiny fraction of the time takes me to check each merchant...

So, in effect, a small handful of merchants end up getting most of the business. Crappy system is crappy.

Katahdin · May 2016

As far as finding rare items. I've purchased 2 very rare items (I won't reveal what that item is because I'm looking for one more, but suffice to say it is one of the rarest items in the game so far), by periodically going to the main trading hubs.

It just takes patience, which I know is a rare attribute these days where instant gratification is the norm. I also play on average 2-4 hours a day because I work and have a life besides ESO.

Wreuntzylla · May 2016

Katahdin wrote: »

As far as finding rare items. I've purchased 2 very rare items (I won't reveal what that item is because I'm looking for one more, but suffice to say it is one of the rarest items in the game so far), by periodically going to the main trading hubs.

It just takes patience, which I know is a rare attribute these days where instant gratification is the norm. I also play on average 2-4 hours a day because I work and have a life besides ESO.

Well, that's great if you like to spend your 2-4 hours hitting guild merchants. Me, I just want to PvP. So when I go shopping, I want to be able to buy what I need asap and be done with it.

I smell a convenience to be sold in the cash shop. A shopping assistant! I'd pay 5k crowns for that in a heartbeat.

Hluill · May 2016

arena25 wrote: »

Off-topic: Please use the search tool. There have been tens of thousands of these threads created. Please, we don't need another one. Keep discussion on whether or not we need an ah to one thread, pls.

On-topic: What's wrong with the guild traders?

I see nothing wrong with multiple discussions on multiple threads.

And did you not read the thread?

The more I try to use Guild Traders, the less I see anything right with it.

So far the only, slightly, reasonable arguement to maintain them is that global trading promotes under bidding. I hate the infamous "one copper cheaper" prices too. Sad thing is, I see this frequently on Guild Traders as well.

I just spent an hour shopping for medium belts for research. The whole process was pretty frustrating, meaninglessly time-consuming. Unless one is a member of a couple of big guilds (meets all their membership criteria) or has access to a few large hubs (higher level), the guild-trading system is not effective. It obstructs commerce, plain and simple.

Rohamad_Ali · May 2016

I can live with the current system just please stop the gold farmers and people that exploit for real currency please . That's the only part I don't like because it eventually does mess up the economy .

Can anyone recommend a good trade guild for a DC player NA PC ?

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2016

ComboBreaker88 wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

If system was fine as is there wouldn't be as many ppl as there are asking for a AH of some sorts.

The number of people doesn't matter. When you have tens of thousands or millions of people interacting with something invariably there will always be people who find something wrong with it. So while sure, there a quite a bit of people who don't like it. There are still more people who like it the way it is.

Neither side of this debate can argue on behalf of those tens of thousands or millions of players. Youre making the same mistake the guy youre quoting is. Making assertions as to what others feel and think.

Most people DONT come to the forums, thats a fact. But rather if they have an issue they either drive on through it or they quit. They wont come here and make a fuss over it. Theyll shelve or sell their game and then tell everyone that will listen to avoid the game because of XYZ. So ultimately, no one knows if the Guild Traders is extremely popular or not.

Trying to use the silent playerbase as apart of your argument is just weak and a failure to address the real issues. If you feel the Trade Guilds and Guild Traders are great. Well then present the reasons for why its so great. What are these benefits to it that you dont get with an AH? What is it about an AH that the Guild Traders do better? If you cant tell people WHY the Guild Traders are so great without falling back on "welp.....the vast majority are silent about it soooooo Im right". Then you have no argument.