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Auction house please.
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Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
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I understand your argument but it's built on false premises.I understand why you would want the that but IMI it would pretty much lead to less competition and more price fixing because everyone can see all the prices everywhere. The competition is better as it is precisely because we can't see all the prices for everything all at once.
The first false premise is that the current system prevents some players to control the market. This is clearly not the case. There have been multiple threads about this, notably on consoles where they do not have access to third-party addons like on PC. In a way, the addons saved (somehow) the PC economy from these anticompetitive practices.
The second false premise is that a global AH or a meta-search engine would lead to more anticompetitive practices. This is a half-truth, because it depends how it's implemented. In the real world, there is something called "antitrust laws" to prevent these anticompetitive practices. These could be replicated in the game code to protect the economy and the "consumers".
Nothing false in anything I've said. It is based on my direct experience with a global AH in other games. No developer is going to put anti trust coding in their AH system/economy.
A global AH won't fix the issues on consoles.
Your experience, not the majority experience.
Honestly no one's experience matters one iota.
The developers made the game. We did not.
They are not obligated to copy the systems on every other MMO just because it's in every other MMO.
They wanted a different system for this game. They didn't want Walmart simulator but went for the small town trader feel. From the other poll 2 out of 3 agree and like the system as it is with perhaps some changes to the UI to allow better searching of stuff on the trader ala Awesome Guild Store.
In any case the argument is old, tons of threads have been posted since the beginning of the game. They have said it will not happen. But keep on beating that dead horse if it makes you feel better. At least it will be nice and tender for the scavengers if there is anything left but bones at this point.Edited by Katahdin on April 12, 2016 7:27PMBeta tester November 20131 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Does ESO need an auction house?
*clip*clop*clip*clop*clip*clop*
NEIGGHHHHH... it needs an Auction HORSE!
Link to the original post with details!: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159594/eso-needs-an-auction-horse-expanded-concept
Edited by Gidorick on April 12, 2016 7:27PMWhat ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
Click HERE to discuss.
Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!1 -
Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
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I understand your argument but it's built on false premises.I understand why you would want the that but IMI it would pretty much lead to less competition and more price fixing because everyone can see all the prices everywhere. The competition is better as it is precisely because we can't see all the prices for everything all at once.
The first false premise is that the current system prevents some players to control the market. This is clearly not the case. There have been multiple threads about this, notably on consoles where they do not have access to third-party addons like on PC. In a way, the addons saved (somehow) the PC economy from these anticompetitive practices.
The second false premise is that a global AH or a meta-search engine would lead to more anticompetitive practices. This is a half-truth, because it depends how it's implemented. In the real world, there is something called "antitrust laws" to prevent these anticompetitive practices. These could be replicated in the game code to protect the economy and the "consumers".
Nothing false in anything I've said. It is based on my direct experience with a global AH in other games. No developer is going to put anti trust coding in their AH system/economy.
A global AH won't fix the issues on consoles.
Your experience, not the majority experience.
I believe it is the majority experience. There are a few polls floating around that back that up.1 -
Moonshadow66✭✭✭✭✭
✭I love spending 2hrs just to NOT find a set piece I'm looking for on console.
Why fighting it when you love it?
Venus Ocean - Breton Sorceress VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Gixia - Breton Sorceress VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero
Frances Demnevanni - Breton Dragonknight VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Raygee - Breton Nightblade VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero
Lady Olivieri - Breton Nightblade VR16, EP, Tamriel Hero | Donna Demnevanni - Breton Templar VR16, DC, Tamriel Hero
Elaine Benes - Breton Templar VR16, EP | Ray McCluck - Breton Sorcerer VR16, EP
Moonshadow Demnevanni - Dunmer Dragonknight Lvl 50, EP | Jamie Stacey - Redguard Templar Lvl 50, EP
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DHale✭✭✭✭✭
✭I would never want that. ESO rewards patience and ignorance got a gold vr 16 VD necklace for 29 k. Yes 29 k ha ha ha. You don't get that anywhere in real life I shopped around for turbo tax very recently everywhere was 49.99. Just got it yesterday for 27.99 saved over 20 dollars. Patience indeed is a virtue. Btw tool tip considerably over 30 k fire damage on VD proc... See you in Cyrodil.Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.2 -
Skyy✭✭✭I like how it is now, I just wish it had a better search. If I want to find outlaw helmets motif I shouldn't have to wade through all the other purple motifs to maybe catch a chance of noticing it among several hundred other motifs.1 -
Paneross✭✭✭✭✭
I understand your argument but it's built on false premises.I understand why you would want the that but IMI it would pretty much lead to less competition and more price fixing because everyone can see all the prices everywhere. The competition is better as it is precisely because we can't see all the prices for everything all at once.
The first false premise is that the current system prevents some players to control the market. This is clearly not the case. There have been multiple threads about this, notably on consoles where they do not have access to third-party addons like on PC. In a way, the addons saved (somehow) the PC economy from these anticompetitive practices.
The second false premise is that a global AH or a meta-search engine would lead to more anticompetitive practices. This is a half-truth, because it depends how it's implemented. In the real world, there is something called "antitrust laws" to prevent these anticompetitive practices. These could be replicated in the game code to protect the economy and the "consumers".
Nothing false in anything I've said. It is based on my direct experience with a global AH in other games. No developer is going to put anti trust coding in their AH system/economy.
A global AH won't fix the issues on consoles.
Your experience, not the majority experience.
Honestly no one's experience matters one iota.
The developers made the game. We did not.
They are not obligated to copy the systems on every other MMO just because it's in every other MMO.
They wanted a different system for this game. They didn't want Walmart simulator but went for the small town trader feel. From the other poll 2 out of 3 agree and like the system as it is with perhaps some changes to the UI to allow better searching of stuff on the trader ala Awesome Guild Store.
In any case the argument is old, tons of threads have been posted since the beginning of the game. They have said it will not happen. But keep on beating that dead horse if it makes you feel better. At least it will be nice and tender for the scavengers if there is anything left but bones at this point.
Again the polls you speak of are a minority of the players that actually play. Most people do NOT participate on the forums and 9/10 of ppl I run into, wish for a better systems in place.2 -
Paneross✭✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »
I understand your argument but it's built on false premises.I understand why you would want the that but IMI it would pretty much lead to less competition and more price fixing because everyone can see all the prices everywhere. The competition is better as it is precisely because we can't see all the prices for everything all at once.
The first false premise is that the current system prevents some players to control the market. This is clearly not the case. There have been multiple threads about this, notably on consoles where they do not have access to third-party addons like on PC. In a way, the addons saved (somehow) the PC economy from these anticompetitive practices.
The second false premise is that a global AH or a meta-search engine would lead to more anticompetitive practices. This is a half-truth, because it depends how it's implemented. In the real world, there is something called "antitrust laws" to prevent these anticompetitive practices. These could be replicated in the game code to protect the economy and the "consumers".
Nothing false in anything I've said. It is based on my direct experience with a global AH in other games. No developer is going to put anti trust coding in their AH system/economy.
A global AH won't fix the issues on consoles.
Your experience, not the majority experience.
I believe it is the majority experience. There are a few polls floating around that back that up.
Majority population does not use the forums at all.3 -
failkiwib16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Btw. for your information, the current guildtrader system allows guildchains that have monopoly over entire maps, guildmasters that fiddle with Master Merchant addon prices.
New players have limited access to guildstores.
Players with limited DLC access or no DLC access have limited access to guildstores.Edited by failkiwib16_ESO on April 12, 2016 7:56PM4 -
Makkir✭✭✭✭✭
✭failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »Btw. for your information, the current guildtrader system allows guildchains that have monopoly over entire maps, guildmasters that fiddle with Master Merchant addon prices.
New players have limited access to guildstores.
Players with limited DLC access or no DLC access have limited access to guildstores.
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Bone_Demon✭✭✭Here's an idea.
A town crier that relocates every time a new DLC(which introduces a zone) comes to the new zone. He has information whether a given item is sold and tells you the location of said vendor that sells said item. This gives one more incentive to buy ESO+ (which is good) and also it unifies the store information within one NPC.
Win/win ?Edited by Bone_Demon on April 12, 2016 11:20PM1 -
luen79rwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think guild traders are far more beneficial for the overall economy than a regular AH so I do like this feature and don't want it to be replaced. However being a PC player I must say that addons are what really helps while searching for specific items (btw thanks to you people that make addons!
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In that sense I do believe console players should have a better / more helpful UI.PC/DC/NAserver
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No. Would love to have more specific search options and also the ability to save/preset specific search variables so you don't have to reset them for every guild. Just like when you dye armor and set your four presets.0 -
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Right, but they are the only source of data that people can look at as opposed to someone claiming "9/10 people think X". We don't exactly have a lot of choice in terms of what to look at for 'evidence'.
I understand your argument but it's built on false premises.I understand why you would want the that but IMI it would pretty much lead to less competition and more price fixing because everyone can see all the prices everywhere. The competition is better as it is precisely because we can't see all the prices for everything all at once.
The first false premise is that the current system prevents some players to control the market. This is clearly not the case. There have been multiple threads about this, notably on consoles where they do not have access to third-party addons like on PC. In a way, the addons saved (somehow) the PC economy from these anticompetitive practices.
The second false premise is that a global AH or a meta-search engine would lead to more anticompetitive practices. This is a half-truth, because it depends how it's implemented. In the real world, there is something called "antitrust laws" to prevent these anticompetitive practices. These could be replicated in the game code to protect the economy and the "consumers".
Nothing false in anything I've said. It is based on my direct experience with a global AH in other games. No developer is going to put anti trust coding in their AH system/economy.
A global AH won't fix the issues on consoles.
Your experience, not the majority experience.
Honestly no one's experience matters one iota.
The developers made the game. We did not.
They are not obligated to copy the systems on every other MMO just because it's in every other MMO.
They wanted a different system for this game. They didn't want Walmart simulator but went for the small town trader feel. From the other poll 2 out of 3 agree and like the system as it is with perhaps some changes to the UI to allow better searching of stuff on the trader ala Awesome Guild Store.
In any case the argument is old, tons of threads have been posted since the beginning of the game. They have said it will not happen. But keep on beating that dead horse if it makes you feel better. At least it will be nice and tender for the scavengers if there is anything left but bones at this point.
Again the polls you speak of are a minority of the players that actually play. Most people do NOT participate on the forums and 9/10 of ppl I run into, wish for a better systems in place.
But if one must choose between forum polls and singular anecdotal accounts, then you can't blame people for leaning toward the more reliable of the two. Forum polls are not the best, not by far, but they are better than whatever flimsy claim people make every day just to suit their argument.
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SkoomaAddict420✭✭✭Does ESO need an auction house?
*clip*clop*clip*clop*clip*clop*
NEIGGHHHHH... it needs an Auction HORSE!
Link to the original post with details!: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159594/eso-needs-an-auction-horse-expanded-concept
Good idea. Like the traveling merchant we can buy. But it's not just about finding a item. It is also about not being in the right guild to even sell your stuff except to a vendor. Now if all that are guilded up no matter if they hold the guild trader spots or not could be on this list the donkey provides, that would be cool. By making it to where any in a guild could trade would be fine with me. But they have to be in a guild to trade...
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Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SkoomaAddict420 wrote: »Does ESO need an auction house?
*clip*clop*clip*clop*clip*clop*
NEIGGHHHHH... it needs an Auction HORSE!
Link to the original post with details!: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159594/eso-needs-an-auction-horse-expanded-concept
Good idea. Like the traveling merchant we can buy. But it's not just about finding a item. It is also about not being in the right guild to even sell your stuff except to a vendor. Now if all that are guilded up no matter if they hold the guild trader spots or not could be on this list the donkey provides, that would be cool. By making it to where any in a guild could trade would be fine with me. But they have to be in a guild to trade...
Yea, @SkoomaAddict420 ... I think it's important that players need to be in a Guild to trade... and that Guild MUST have a guild trader. Otherwise we circumvent the need for guild traders at all.
Now, I have played around with the idea of a Merchant skill line that would allow players to setup shop at predetermined kiosks that dump the trader every hour or so without the need of a guild. This would mean players would need to build up stock prior to occupying one of these merchant stalls... maybe the better merchant you are the longer you can occupy the stall and the less cut the owner of the stall receives.
But that idea is for another thread.
What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
Click HERE to discuss.
Want more crazy ideas? Check out my Concept Repository!0 -
ajwest927✭✭✭I don't have time to be online constantly checking see anyone out bid me for an item, guild trader works for me.0 -
S_Ravenlock✭✭✭Yes, absolutely. The current system is complete rubbish and very unfriendly towards casual players and new players. Finding items and prices is a pain without addons, which never should be mandatory in a game.
I don't know why ZOS felt they needed to reinvent the wheel with this one, but whatever they meant to do, they ended up with a square wheel rather then an improvement instead.
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Obliterate✭✭✭CONSOLE USERS NEED SOMETHING MORE EFFECTIVE AT SEARCHING. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR CHANGE FOR PC USERS, BUT FOR CONSOLES.3 -
ThugonoughtSoul ShrivenNew player returning after about 9 - 2 months absence. I'm looking for a guild with lots of active players selling itmes at various levels. any recommendations and invites would be hugely appreciated!
Thanks so much
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CaptainBeerDude✭✭✭✭✭QuebraRegra wrote: »not having an auction house is stupid.
Anyone played an MMO before?
Also fixes issues with the economy as well...
Yes I have. And I don't use the auction house. i would like to see PC caravans travelling from city to city though. That would be awesome.
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CaptainBeerDude✭✭✭✭✭GarnetFire17 wrote: »there is an Auction House. That is the name of one of my guilds. I am an officer. We are selling in Stormhold this week. come see us.
I was on holidays once upon a time and frequented an establishment called 'the Office'. I'm not sure if a 16yr has ever consumed as much beer as I did there...1 -
CaptainBeerDude✭✭✭✭✭Callous2208 wrote: »If the PC users don't want it fine. Give it to consoles. PCs have add ons that help with the terrible system.
I would be okay with this, as long as the consolers promise not to cry when their economy is in shambles, all their bids are sniped while they are at work, and AHProGuy22 owns all high end mats and prices them at 100k a pop.
All of the mats but mine. I have a very hard time parting with them.0 -
andreasv✭✭✭✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »No I like the current system as it is.
I visit the major trading hubs (5 of them) when I am looking for something. If I can't find it in that assortment, it probably isn't available. This takes me about 30 minutes to do on average
You realize how stupid ''This takes me about 30 minutes to do on average'' sounds ? THIRTY MINUTES TO MAYBE, MAYBE NOT FIND AN ITEM ?! And you find this okay ?
With an auction house, it would take you 15 seconds and the item would be cheaper ? Where exactly is the downside except less profit for the sellers (when in fact it's going to be more stable profit as stuff will sell faster and more reliably)
No guarantee you would find it on a global AH either.
I logged in yesterday to 45 mails of things I put up for sale the day before on two different stores in two different zones.
Over 27K gold in less than 24 hours. Sometime it sells in literally minutes after I post it. Seems like people have no problem finding my stuff. Maybe you need a better trading guild
@Katahdin Could you please tell me the name of your guild and on which server they are? I'm fed up with looking for provisioning ingredients for an hour. Travelling between towns with 75% of traders that only have a handful of goods.
I'd love to join your trading guild if possible.1 -
Titansteele✭✭✭✭✭Please stop flogging this horse, it died long ago and should be left to rest in peace.Guild Leader of The Twelve Knights, AD PVE, PVP and Trading Guild on the EU Mega Server
"That which does not kill us makes us stronger"1 -
Phinix1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes PLEASE.
Having to join trade guilds just to sell, and get scammed with forced raffle purchasing of tens of thousands of gold a month just to stay a member because ZOS can't control the insane bidding war for choice locations FTL.
It was a nice idea, but it didn't work out well. Time for a re-visit.
As others have mentioned, all the current system offers is worse prices, less chance you will find what you want, and more hassle to do so.
No thanks to the current system I say. Big hassles all around.
Edited by Phinix1 on April 13, 2016 10:01AM5 -
very shortly, AH is "one-market", one-market is inflation, inflation lowers money value, lower money value calls pay to win model and gold sellers.
Guild traders aren't very far from TP. If you can't take time to just go through the world for that thing you want sooo much, you're too lazy to have it. (satanic laugh like in M. Jackson's Thriller
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Phinix1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭kawazu874b16_ESO wrote: »very shortly, AH is "one-market", one-market is inflation, inflation lowers money value, lower money value calls pay to win model and gold sellers.
Guild traders aren't very far from TP. If you can't take time to just go through the world for that thing you want sooo much, you're too lazy to have it. (satanic laugh like in M. Jackson's Thriller )
In my experience, this is wrong.
One-market = more concentrated supply.
More supply = LOWER prices due to competition.
Convenience of not having to join pay-to-stay trade guilds = BONUS
Convenience of not having to zone all over nirn and gone to buy one item = BONUS
The only people against this IMO are scammy trade guild monopolies.
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