Really sucks that a new fun thing got fixed directly, creative of OP to try some new things out. Especially since almost everyone including myself runs the same tanking sets.

@Woeler and @Kippesnikke having a hard time with the self confidence IRL so you have to boost yourself on the internet being the best tanks, talking down other people, their choices of sets and so on? How nice of you... Guys like you are the reason expressions like "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics: even if you win you are still ***." exists. Get over yourselves.

@Woeler and @Kippesnikke

Kathrein wrote: »

@Woeler and @Kippesnikke

@Kathrein

Vildebill wrote: »

Really sucks that a new fun thing got fixed directly, creative of OP to try some new things out. Especially since almost everyone including myself runs the same tanking sets.

@Woeler and @Kippesnikke having a hard time with the self confidence IRL so you have to boost yourself on the internet being the best tanks, talking down other people, their choices of sets and so on? How nice of you... Guys like you are the reason expressions like "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics: even if you win you are still ***." exists. Get over yourselves.

i think the comment i made started out very normal. but if i get *** replies from niftyg then yeah it will change.
just dont comment on tanking builds if you have no clue. and if a tank from hodor and a tank from beyoind infinity agrees on how stupid something is while they are from opposing guilds. trust me. then its stupid.

Vildebill wrote: »

Really sucks that a new fun thing got fixed directly, creative of OP to try some new things out. Especially since almost everyone including myself runs the same tanking sets.

@Woeler and @Kippesnikke having a hard time with the self confidence IRL so you have to boost yourself on the internet being the best tanks, talking down other people, their choices of sets and so on? How nice of you... Guys like you are the reason expressions like "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics: even if you win you are still ***." exists. Get over yourselves.

Woeler wrote: »

Tabre wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

GeertKarel wrote: »

Luckily there are a lot better sets around where you can provide the group with different buffs while maintaining your tanking survivabillity.

Nothing compares to the unique group buff that akatosh gave. Easily bis

Because a mantikora missing a massive aoe stomp on 12 players is totally not broken and ridiculously overpowered. I mean miss chance on the tank, sure, but on the entire raid? No, that does not even make sense.

So you thought the build was ridiculously overpowered but you previously gave indications that it wasn't the baddest build that was ever used. I'm excited to hear what you think was the baddest build that was ever used because it must be just godlike.

Alright, so first of all, read what I wrote. I said it is stupid to rely on a set that relies on a bug. The set is NOT op, the bug is op. Furthermore I don't have the baddest tank build, my ego does not stretch that far. I have a tank build that works for me. I don't claim it is op, I don't post it and I don't care. I just laugh when someone claims to have the best build, the Kanye West of tanking.

I basically said it right there, but if literacy is not your strongest point I'll be more precise: I am not the best tank and I don't know who might be.

But I love the fact your arguments ran out and you start to involve my personal life. Shall I make some spelling mistakes in my next post? Then you can correct those.

Kathrein wrote: »

@Woeler and @Kippesnikke

Woeler wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Really sucks that a new fun thing got fixed directly, creative of OP to try some new things out. Especially since almost everyone including myself runs the same tanking sets.

@Woeler and @Kippesnikke having a hard time with the self confidence IRL so you have to boost yourself on the internet being the best tanks, talking down other people, their choices of sets and so on? How nice of you... Guys like you are the reason expressions like "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics: even if you win you are still ***." exists. Get over yourselves.

Woeler wrote: »

Tabre wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

GeertKarel wrote: »

Luckily there are a lot better sets around where you can provide the group with different buffs while maintaining your tanking survivabillity.

Nothing compares to the unique group buff that akatosh gave. Easily bis

Because a mantikora missing a massive aoe stomp on 12 players is totally not broken and ridiculously overpowered. I mean miss chance on the tank, sure, but on the entire raid? No, that does not even make sense.

So you thought the build was ridiculously overpowered but you previously gave indications that it wasn't the baddest build that was ever used. I'm excited to hear what you think was the baddest build that was ever used because it must be just godlike.

Alright, so first of all, read what I wrote. I said it is stupid to rely on a set that relies on a bug. The set is NOT op, the bug is op. Furthermore I don't have the baddest tank build, my ego does not stretch that far. I have a tank build that works for me. I don't claim it is op, I don't post it and I don't care. I just laugh when someone claims to have the best build, the Kanye West of tanking.

I basically said it right there, but if literacy is not your strongest point I'll be more precise: I am not the best tank and I don't know who might be.

But I love the fact your arguments ran out and you start to involve my personal life. Shall I make some spelling mistakes in my next post? Then you can correct those.

Yeah, and still you behave like a child being rude and all. Your answer right here shoves just that, how immature your argumentation is, and just by answering the way you do proves my point exactly. The irony

Kippesnikke wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Really sucks that a new fun thing got fixed directly, creative of OP to try some new things out. Especially since almost everyone including myself runs the same tanking sets.

@Woeler and @Kippesnikke having a hard time with the self confidence IRL so you have to boost yourself on the internet being the best tanks, talking down other people, their choices of sets and so on? How nice of you... Guys like you are the reason expressions like "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics: even if you win you are still ***." exists. Get over yourselves.

i think the comment i made started out very normal. but if i get *** replies from niftyg then yeah it will change.
just dont comment on tanking builds if you have no clue. and if a tank from hodor and a tank from beyoind infinity agrees on how stupid something is while they are from opposing guilds. trust me. then its stupid.

I don't think anyone in the forum has missed that you play in the guild Hodor and how you and your guild mates think about yourselves, the point being is that you are really rude just because of that. If you are so good and all that, can't you be nice and share your knowledge without ranting down on others? A good example of people that doesn't have to do all that and still is a very good player is the very same Nifty that you for some reason seem to have to carp down on.

The whole "discussion" with you guys starts out when you obviously has to tell how bad the world and all tanks is for using engine guardian. How about some constructive help for the people having sustain issues instead of "all tanks that uses engine guardian don't know how to manage resources"?

Vildebill wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Really sucks that a new fun thing got fixed directly, creative of OP to try some new things out. Especially since almost everyone including myself runs the same tanking sets.

@Woeler and @Kippesnikke having a hard time with the self confidence IRL so you have to boost yourself on the internet being the best tanks, talking down other people, their choices of sets and so on? How nice of you... Guys like you are the reason expressions like "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics: even if you win you are still ***." exists. Get over yourselves.

Woeler wrote: »

Tabre wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

GeertKarel wrote: »

Luckily there are a lot better sets around where you can provide the group with different buffs while maintaining your tanking survivabillity.

Nothing compares to the unique group buff that akatosh gave. Easily bis

Because a mantikora missing a massive aoe stomp on 12 players is totally not broken and ridiculously overpowered. I mean miss chance on the tank, sure, but on the entire raid? No, that does not even make sense.

So you thought the build was ridiculously overpowered but you previously gave indications that it wasn't the baddest build that was ever used. I'm excited to hear what you think was the baddest build that was ever used because it must be just godlike.

Alright, so first of all, read what I wrote. I said it is stupid to rely on a set that relies on a bug. The set is NOT op, the bug is op. Furthermore I don't have the baddest tank build, my ego does not stretch that far. I have a tank build that works for me. I don't claim it is op, I don't post it and I don't care. I just laugh when someone claims to have the best build, the Kanye West of tanking.

I basically said it right there, but if literacy is not your strongest point I'll be more precise: I am not the best tank and I don't know who might be.

But I love the fact your arguments ran out and you start to involve my personal life. Shall I make some spelling mistakes in my next post? Then you can correct those.

Yeah, and still you behave like a child being rude and all. Your answer right here shoves just that, how immature your argumentation is, and just by answering the way you do proves my point exactly. The irony

Kippesnikke wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Really sucks that a new fun thing got fixed directly, creative of OP to try some new things out. Especially since almost everyone including myself runs the same tanking sets.

@Woeler and @Kippesnikke having a hard time with the self confidence IRL so you have to boost yourself on the internet being the best tanks, talking down other people, their choices of sets and so on? How nice of you... Guys like you are the reason expressions like "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics: even if you win you are still ***." exists. Get over yourselves.

i think the comment i made started out very normal. but if i get *** replies from niftyg then yeah it will change.
just dont comment on tanking builds if you have no clue. and if a tank from hodor and a tank from beyoind infinity agrees on how stupid something is while they are from opposing guilds. trust me. then its stupid.

I don't think anyone in the forum has missed that you play in the guild Hodor and how you and your guild mates think about yourselves, the point being is that you are really rude just because of that. If you are so good and all that, can't you be nice and share your knowledge without ranting down on others? A good example of people that doesn't have to do all that and still is a very good player is the very same Nifty that you for some reason seem to have to carp down on.

The whole "discussion" with you guys starts out when you obviously has to tell how bad the world and all tanks is for using engine guardian. How about some constructive help for the people having sustain issues instead of "all tanks that uses engine guardian don't know how to manage resources"?

i think you have to read the comments from the beginning. that i started with a very normal comment on his built. so read that again and then tell me where it all started. right now you sound like a politician. involving in mathers u shouldnt be.
Don't like it? move on. that is being an adult. you replying on every post is actually more childish then anything in this post.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey all, we hear your disappointment and frustration over the recent fix to the Akatosh's Blessed Armor set, but it was just that--a fix to a bug. The set was never intended to allow players to blind boss monsters. All boss monsters are supposed to have a buff that grants them immunity to certain debuffs. In this case, the armor set was incorrectly bypassing that rule where no other sets or blind debuffs were. We are continuing to look at fun and meaningful ways to improve the tanking role in ESO.

timidobserver wrote: »

There is a downside to attempting to gain personal attention by posting your stuff publically.
You risk getting nerfed. This is why [REDACTED] was allowed to use their pvp invinicibilty mitigation exploit/bug for so long. They did not make a public build post explaining the details.

Exactly why explain everything I can online. Exploiters need to go home.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hey all, we hear your disappointment and frustration over the recent fix to the Akatosh's Blessed Armor set, but it was just that--a fix to a bug. The set was never intended to allow players to blind boss monsters. All boss monsters are supposed to have a buff that grants them immunity to certain debuffs. In this case, the armor set was incorrectly bypassing that rule where no other sets or blind debuffs were. We are continuing to look at fun and meaningful ways to improve the tanking role in ESO.

Well the dev team doesnt have to look hard for suggestions. Even if blind on bosses isnt intended, and i could argue that blind should be able to affect bosses, but even if it shouldnt, then what about all of the other bugs and crappy parts of tanking that are allowed to fester for patch after patch?

Chains has been broken for like 10 months. Does the quick hyper-reaction to nerfing Akatosh allow us to infer that chains is intended to be bugged?

Is the Maelsttom sword and shield intended to be terrible? Would that explain why the set hasnt been buffed?

Are players intended to be extremly dissapointed with the state of heavy armor and stam regen? Do those bad intentions explain why those tanking tools just keep geeting worse?

I mean, if the above things are intended, then why should players care about developer intentions? But, if the above issues are not intended, then again I must ask, why should players care about developer intentions?

The answer is that, given the above, there isnt necessarily good reason to care about what the path to hell, or louzy tanking balance in this case, is paved with. Its paved with all of these alleged good intentions.

timidobserver wrote: »

There is a downside to attempting to gain personal attention by posting your stuff publically.
You risk getting nerfed. This is why [REDACTED] was allowed to use their pvp invinicibilty mitigation exploit/bug for so long. They did not make a public build post explaining the details.

this.

I don't think that this is the first time that a bit of validation-seeking has led to nerfs either.

Solution to this Zeni is simple, Scale Footman to v16. Oh wait you can't Dragon star is still v14, Solution to that.. Scale up all the old Trails, And Dragon Star to v16 even the gear you get in the pledge dungeons like worm cult etc is still v14.. Solution scale everything up..thanks Zeni

Nifty2g wrote: »

Kippesnikke wrote: »

Vildebill wrote: »

Really sucks that a new fun thing got fixed directly, creative of OP to try some new things out. Especially since almost everyone including myself runs the same tanking sets.

@Woeler and @Kippesnikke having a hard time with the self confidence IRL so you have to boost yourself on the internet being the best tanks, talking down other people, their choices of sets and so on? How nice of you... Guys like you are the reason expressions like "Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics: even if you win you are still ***." exists. Get over yourselves.

i think the comment i made started out very normal. but if i get *** replies from niftyg then yeah it will change.
just dont comment on tanking builds if you have no clue. and if a tank from hodor and a tank from beyoind infinity agrees on how stupid something is while they are from opposing guilds. trust me. then its stupid.

no one gives a *** what guild you are in, it's easy to hide how much you suck in a group of 12 people. I don't even know who you are lol.

tanking in this game is very simple - for trials
5 histbark/armor master
5 footman
2 bloodspawn

variants of that include
2 robot
2 lord warden

every tank i see on NA, most of them are using 2 robot, because it's free regen, who gives a *** if deltia uses it, who cares who uses it, it's free resources.
2 blood spawn isn't that great after it's nerf but meh, if you want to be old school go ahead and use it
2 warden i hear it's got a buff, i still haven't checked it out

it's got absolutely nothing to do with resource management, but I highly doubt anyone in a raid setting with constant raid buffs, shards, siphon, block reduction, armor, etc etc. I do not think that person is going to get low on resources, but it's good to keep topped up for whatever reason and robot allows that.

Just because you "conquered" all trials last update because there was virtually no competition at all between NA and EU because no one really cares about outdated trials, so you can thank ZOS for ruining the *** out of PvE competition. It means literally nothing to me that you are top of the leaderboards this patch. 2 of those trials are VR12, one of them is VR14. we are VR16.

because u named those variants. thats the true reason why NA is no competition nifty. god. keep pushing on the robot.
blaming zenimax for outdated trials. even if you wanted to you wouldnt even make it on the leaderboards. take that robot set out and i might take u serious but right now i only see you as a troll and you are not helping people to improve.

Why is everyone so hostile to alternative builds? Not talking about this one specifically cause I mean it is what it is around that but the thread seems to be in one part about bashing people for their choice of builds? There are in my opinion a ton of ways to tank and to make tank builds, some more effective than other but at least compared to DPS we have a lot more flexibility in builds since we are not limited to the perfect math equations for damage dealing and such. I mean sure, I argue against some set pieces and I'm know for calling the footman over hyped and not worth it, but I do know some builds where it would work really well. Same thing how I say that unless you make a build that relies more on its armor than its blocking it doesn't give that much to get to hard capped resist.

But the fact still remains that there are options out there. So someone uses Engine guardian, well if it works for them and they get good results then that's that, who are you to argue with results, and sure maybe you got better results with another set, that is still your choice to run that. Cause many seem to forget something important. Player Style, and fun. If its to their liking to play a certain style than so be it as long as they have fun. And so what if someone with a special name and gamer tag uses one set as well, why would that make it HIS or HERS specific thing? Why are we all called sheaps that blindly follow deltia if we use Engine Guardian? I was gonna use it no matter if he was or not cause I personally liked it. I did my own research and came to the conclusion that I liked it, and he did the same, but just cause he is popular I'm suddenly just a copy cat?

In the end, tanks still have options. We need re balancing not gonna argue that but there are still plenty of ways to do what is needed for the content that we have.