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EgoRush wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

About the competitiveness of the game. Ye people leave. Guilds leave. No wonder with the lack of content.
However, it is definitely not true that there is no competition anymore. Fact is that EU prolly has more active raiding guilds than NA. It depends on the will of people and the will of the leader to ESTABLISH a good Guild.

Without a Leader a Guild is like a headless Chicken. You need competent Officers to keep the Guild together. Constantly searching for new people etc. It is kind of a dream to think that you can play with the same 12 people all the time. People quit, officers have to make sure there is "fresh supply" ready to fill in.

For example, when 1.6 hit, 12 out of 14 Hodor Coregrp members quit. It was a dark time, but we did not give up, when Orsinium launched we finally had a good and stable coregroup together again. Takes time to "refill and find good people".
Now with Crossfaction Trials it is even easier to get good people together.

But yes, most progression Raid guilds were RIP when 1.6 hit. But some are still here and saying they are not is pure BullS.

I agree with this completely. It was dark times for Hodor but I took it upon myself to make a new core and things improved a lot. Now we have people making a second group within our guild alone. The competition is there, people just need the drive to spearhead a group themselves. I'm still waiting for the first cross-faction PvE guild to be made. If I wasn't in Hodor I'd be making that and trying to steal all the best people

Steal me please... just have to figure out this whole server thing.

idk

Alcast wrote: »

About the competitiveness of the game. Ye people leave. Guilds leave. No wonder with the lack of content.
However, it is definitely not true that there is no competition anymore. Fact is that EU prolly has more active raiding guilds than NA. It depends on the will of people and the will of the leader to ESTABLISH a good Guild.

Without a Leader a Guild is like a headless Chicken. You need competent Officers to keep the Guild together. Constantly searching for new people etc. It is kind of a dream to think that you can play with the same 12 people all the time. People quit, officers have to make sure there is "fresh supply" ready to fill in.

For example, when 1.6 hit, 12 out of 14 Hodor Coregrp members quit. It was a dark time, but we did not give up, when Orsinium launched we finally had a good and stable coregroup together again. Takes time to "refill and find good people".
Now with Crossfaction Trials it is even easier to get good people together.

But yes, most progression Raid guilds were RIP when 1.6 hit. But some are still here and saying they are not is pure BullS.

+1

Today, some of those players are returning.

Nifty2g

Alcast wrote: »

About the competitiveness of the game. Ye people leave. Guilds leave. No wonder with the lack of content.
However, it is definitely not true that there is no competition anymore. Fact is that EU prolly has more active raiding guilds than NA. It depends on the will of people and the will of the leader to ESTABLISH a good Guild.

Without a Leader a Guild is like a headless Chicken. You need competent Officers to keep the Guild together. Constantly searching for new people etc. It is kind of a dream to think that you can play with the same 12 people all the time. People quit, officers have to make sure there is "fresh supply" ready to fill in.

For example, when 1.6 hit, 12 out of 14 Hodor Coregrp members quit. It was a dark time, but we did not give up, when Orsinium launched we finally had a good and stable coregroup together again. Takes time to "refill and find good people".
Now with Crossfaction Trials it is even easier to get good people together.

But yes, most progression Raid guilds were RIP when 1.6 hit. But some are still here and saying they are not is pure BullS.

I dont get your last point, i agree some of the guilds are still around (none of the old guilds are around on NA), NA took a massive hit when 1.6 launched with the champion system, pretty much lost every progress guild we had and had to rebuild completely new guilds.

Woeler

Nifty2g wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

@Nifty2g I disagree with the standpoint that NA is no competition, but dead guilds from 2014 are not really helping the cause here... Last Prodigies and Purple were laid to rest a long long time ago.

The leaderboard archives contain enough evidence for NA competing.

I'm sorry but the way I see it, back in the day NA pretty much used to beat EU quite a bit in almost every trial. The issue is that ZOS isn't really helping the cause of competition, progress guilds tend to move on if there is nothing to do, and honestly right now there is nothing to do. Your ESOLeaderboard website was brought in pretty late. And I don't believe MoL is the type of trial you can compete over, only who can get the first clear, but it doesn't seem like something you can compete with scores the way it is, doesn't seem like it was designed for that, more so a progress type of raid.

Anyway, that's really got nothing to do with NA, it's the direction ZOS are taking their game, my guess is they are moving away from competition how it used to be. Probably why we wont see up-scaled trials, probably never going to come.

Talking about competition now gets no where because honestly right now this game is not competitive, ZOS proved that by removing the groupdamage addon. Why else would all the NA progress guilds quit.

That's why I'm listing guilds back when it actually mattered and it was actually competition lol

So correct me if I'm wrong, but what I basically read here is "competition only mattered when NA was on top, when EU was on top it didn't matter anymore"

That's just plain silly, and while maybe not intended, it looks like a silly excuse for losing.

Nifty2g

Woeler wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

@Nifty2g I disagree with the standpoint that NA is no competition, but dead guilds from 2014 are not really helping the cause here... Last Prodigies and Purple were laid to rest a long long time ago.

The leaderboard archives contain enough evidence for NA competing.

I'm sorry but the way I see it, back in the day NA pretty much used to beat EU quite a bit in almost every trial. The issue is that ZOS isn't really helping the cause of competition, progress guilds tend to move on if there is nothing to do, and honestly right now there is nothing to do. Your ESOLeaderboard website was brought in pretty late. And I don't believe MoL is the type of trial you can compete over, only who can get the first clear, but it doesn't seem like something you can compete with scores the way it is, doesn't seem like it was designed for that, more so a progress type of raid.

Anyway, that's really got nothing to do with NA, it's the direction ZOS are taking their game, my guess is they are moving away from competition how it used to be. Probably why we wont see up-scaled trials, probably never going to come.

Talking about competition now gets no where because honestly right now this game is not competitive, ZOS proved that by removing the groupdamage addon. Why else would all the NA progress guilds quit.

That's why I'm listing guilds back when it actually mattered and it was actually competition lol

So correct me if I'm wrong, but what I basically read here is "competition only mattered when NA was on top, when EU was on top it didn't matter anymore"

That's just plain silly, and while maybe not intended, it looks like a silly excuse for losing.

Don't know where I said that or where you got it from, because what I said was that guilds died out in NA, which they did. Right now there is only 2 active progression guilds on NA that I know of. I was making a comment on the Hodor guy who seems quite new to raiding who said NA is no competition, of course they aren't competition anymore, the whole server as a whole has pretty much lost their whole competitive side, it's got nothing to do with excuses, it's just how it is. Trial wise, when 1.6 came out, it ruined it for the NA side

Losing what? I've never exactly been big on trials, I'm more into content like VDSA. I think I've been quite successful when it comes to VDSA?

Kippesnikke

ive been probably raiding a bit longer then you but thats a different discussion.

i just dont get it when you state that you are not very big in trials, come in a trial tanking post. make stupid suggestion on wich alot of players agree that it makes no sense what you say and i believe you are not even a tank ingame.
and when i said a tank should control his resources u entirely lost it? i said that as a tip. that if you want to be a good trial tank you have to control your resources so you can wear gear thats helps your team instead of playing with engine guardians.

in that post where i said NA is no competition. i meant you. since you are speaking for entire NA it seems in your post about how it all died out.

there are many people in NA who are dieharding the new trial in order to compete. GL to them and i sincerely hope they make it.

Nifty2g

Kippesnikke wrote: »

there are many people in NA who are dieharding the new trial in order to compete. GL to them and i sincerely hope they make it.

who? list more than 2 guilds.
crownstoreheroes and lrn2play don't count

Kippesnikke wrote: »

make stupid suggestion on wich alot of players agree that it makes no sense what you say and i believe you are not even a tank ingame.

i dont think anyone really cared about the tanking because like i said stop trying to over complicate something that is not even hard to do.
our tank in crownstoreheroes tanked the 2nd boss in vmol with green vr14 generic dropped gear and got it to i believe 18%? Acting as if tanking is hard, please.
@Slayyer-AUS

Woeler

Nifty2g wrote: »

Kippesnikke wrote: »

there are many people in NA who are dieharding the new trial in order to compete. GL to them and i sincerely hope they make it.

who? list more than 2 guilds.
crownstoreheroes and lrn2play don't count

Because? The only guilds in the race currently are CSH, L2P, Beyond and Hodor. Sure there are some more guilds that killed the first boss on EU, but with all due respect, they are not serious competition.

Nifty2g

Woeler wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Kippesnikke wrote: »

there are many people in NA who are dieharding the new trial in order to compete. GL to them and i sincerely hope they make it.

who? list more than 2 guilds.
crownstoreheroes and lrn2play don't count

Because?

they're the two active progress guilds i've been talking about ....

Slayyer-AUS

Tanking is the easiest role in the game and needs to be harder. I literally tanked the 2nd boss in maw with blues and purples and got it down to 12 % 19% so stop whinning GOSHHHHHH

Woeler

Slayyer-AUS wrote: »

Tanking is the easiest role in the game and needs to be harder. I literally tanked the 2nd boss in maw with blues and purples and got it down to 12 % 19% so stop whinning GOSHHHHHH

only Taunt + block = *** tank. And 19 and 12 percent, yea, the last phases is also the most difficult, where you actually need a tank that does something about positioning and chaining.

Polysemy

Woeler wrote: »

Slayyer-AUS wrote: »

Tanking is the easiest role in the game and needs to be harder. I literally tanked the 2nd boss in maw with blues and purples and got it down to 12 % 19% so stop whinning GOSHHHHHH

only Taunt + block = *** tank.

Block? Slayyer doesnt block pssshh

Nifty2g

Woeler wrote: »

Slayyer-AUS wrote: »

Tanking is the easiest role in the game and needs to be harder. I literally tanked the 2nd boss in maw with blues and purples and got it down to 12 % 19% so stop whinning GOSHHHHHH

only Taunt + block = *** tank.

you're right you actually have to pretend you're doing something no one else can do

• throw a deep slash in there
• blow a warhorn
• use talons on a mob here and there
• throw caltrops for no apparent reason
• use vigor when you dont need it cause you have a healer spamming BoL non stop anyway but you look like you're healing yourself
• pretend that using igneous shield buffs your stamina users even though all the other dk dps are doing it

Woeler

Nifty2g wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Slayyer-AUS wrote: »

Tanking is the easiest role in the game and needs to be harder. I literally tanked the 2nd boss in maw with blues and purples and got it down to 12 % 19% so stop whinning GOSHHHHHH

only Taunt + block = *** tank.

you're right you actually have to pretend you're doing something no one else can do

• throw a deep slash in there
• blow a warhorn
• use talons on a mob here and there
• throw caltrops for no apparent reason
• use vigor when you dont need it cause you have a healer spamming BoL non stop anyway but you look like you're healing yourself
• pretend that using igneous shield buffs your stamina users even though all the other dk dps are doing it

Hmm, and I always was under the impression you were a reasonable decent guy. Guess I was wrong.

Anyways, ladies and gentlemen, I'm outta here. Gonna go heal myself with vigor and pretend it matters, and you know... tanky stuff.

See y´all laters.

Personofsecrets

This isnt a thread about the European server. This isnt a thread about guilds or specific players. Please stop derailing the thread. A vapid claim with 0 evidence about blood spawn superiority is tolerable. What discussion has devolved into as a result of that post isn't on topic or particularly insightful.

Slayyer-AUS

World numbah 1 tank right ere

ZOS_GregoryV

Greetings all,

As this thread has become a back and forth, we have decided that this thread will remain closed. Thank you for your understanding.

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