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Stealth nerf to Puncturing Sweep :(

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As someone who mains a templar, I have learned to take records of what my character and skills look before and after a patch because there is always some undocumented nerfs. It's the only class in the game I have to do this with.

Puncturing Sweep on Live:

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Puncturing Sweeps on the PTS:

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And, of course, nothing in the patch notes documenting this nerf to the heal.

"Puncturing Strikes: This ability and its morphs no longer knockback and apply crowd control immunity to the nearest enemy on the final hit; instead, they now snare that enemy by 70% for two seconds."

Did crystal frags lose 5% on its proc rate? Did surprise attack lose 5% of it's damage? Does Lava whip heal for 5% less? Is there some sort of commensurate nerf to the other class's main skills I have to compete against or is this just another random, gratuitous, and unnecessary nerf to templars?

Does your combat team even understand the only way for a magicka templar to complete PvE content in this game like Maelstrom and compete against the high damage infinite sustain DPS builds so common in Cyrodiil is to spam puncturing sweep? You are already gutting what little "tank" tools templars have left with the purifying ritual "fix," the flat breath of life nerf, and you forcing us to stand in our little tiny focus (even though you specifically designed the new PvE content that necessitates movement!). No, the 1% buff to our tiny shield that cannot even mitigate a basic attack in Cyrodiil is not going to make up for all this loss in our ability to sustain and survive against the damage we face with no soft caps.

If anything, the heal needs to be buffed by 5%!

Edit: NOTE, I too saw the cost increase, but I am fairly certain this is due to the fact that on Live I have 501 CPS while on the test server we have 301. If the PTS simply suppresses the last 200 CPs we invested, that probably would account for the difference as I first invested in regeneration and then cost reduction.
  • Zheg
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    Oh ZOS... they love their hide and seek nerfs xD
  • Firerock2
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    Not surprising, we're talking about Templars after all.
  • RoyJade
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    This change was listed, and is a good change IMO. Now, you can choose by yourself when do you want to CC your enemy, even if in critic situation (like in VMA) you don't have the time to choose.
  • Zheg
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    RoyJade wrote: »
    This change was listed, and is a good change IMO. Now, you can choose by yourself when do you want to CC your enemy, even if in critic situation (like in VMA) you don't have the time to choose.

    He's talking about the 5% healing nerf that wasn't mentioned in the patch notes. He even highlighted it in his screenshot... did you even read the OP?
    Edited by Zheg on February 4, 2016 11:19PM
  • Ruben
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    RoyJade wrote: »
    This change was listed, and is a good change IMO. Now, you can choose by yourself when do you want to CC your enemy, even if in critic situation (like in VMA) you don't have the time to choose.

    It is healing 5% less.
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  • RoyJade
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    Oh, this one ? I haven't see it, sorry.
    That might be a problem, indeed. Need some clarification from a ZOS.
  • danno8
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    I knew that 35% looked off to me. I am sure they will say something along the lines of "It was meant to be 35% all along, we are just updating the tooltip now."



    RoyJade wrote: »
    This change was listed, and is a good change IMO. Now, you can choose by yourself when do you want to CC your enemy, even if in critic situation (like in VMA) you don't have the time to choose.

    You should really read the OP again.

    Edited by danno8 on February 4, 2016 11:23PM
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  • Nifty2g
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    I sometimes wonder if Wrobel even does anything at ZOS or if he's just a face to blame.

    Puncturing Sweep heal has never saved me in PvP as it is a heal based on a damage then takes the battle spirit heal reduction to it, it also doesn't work against shields and it can't crit.

    But lets nerf it, if anything it needed a buff and it needed to be able to crit heal.

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  • timidobserver
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    That is pretty frustrating. I wonder what the point of the 5% nerf was.
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  • AfkNinja
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    Nifty2g wrote: »
    I sometimes wonder if Wrobel even does anything at ZOS or if he's just a face to blame.

    Puncturing Sweep heal has never saved me in PvP as it is a heal based on a damage then takes the battle spirit heal reduction to it, it also doesn't work against shields and it can't crit.

    But lets nerf it, if anything it needed a buff and it needed to be able to crit heal.

    What a joke

    100% agree. What a joke.
  • AriBoh
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    Oh for *** sake. *** you Zos just *** you.
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    Agreed. Whoever came up with the design should be shot in the foot and only admitted to hospital when he manages to find 3 other people willing to maim themselves the same way in order to accompany him.

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  • AfkNinja
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    That is pretty frustrating. I wonder what the point of the 5% nerf was.

    Templar. What other reason is needed at this point? They literally have a two year history of doing this over and over.
  • Zheg
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    That is pretty frustrating. I wonder what the point of the 5% nerf was.

    It was probably on the same vein of thought that enlightened wrobel to make radial sweep's radius go from 5m to 6m and to make radiant ward increase by 6% when standing next to someone instead of 5%.
  • MissBizz
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    I went on the PTS to be sure.

    Yup. It's 35% :'(
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  • BurtFreeman
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    it's not so bad after all! may be the 70% reduce movment is even better for spamming it.

    anyway, i remember there where people talking about punturing strike was a garbage morph. unbelievable!
    it's the best skill of the game and you have since the tutorial prison.

    after this change i think is still the best.
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    But with the change to the restorying light passive, doesn't this skill's heal now get a 30% buff for its heal?
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  • RoyJade
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    Oh, perhaps you're right ! If so, it's finally a good buff !
    Hope it work, my magplar pray for her sake.
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  • AfkNinja
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    CP5 wrote: »
    But with the change to the restorying light passive, doesn't this skill's heal now get a 30% buff for its heal?

    No.

    Old skill: increases the healing effects from your Restoring Light abilities by 30% to allies standing in an areas of protection created by Rite of Passage, Cleansing Ritual and Rune Focus

    New skill: Grants major mending (+25% healing done) while standing in areas of protection created by Rite of Passage, Cleansing Ritual and Rune Focus

    Overall a better skill, but still a 5% ish nerf.
    Edited by AfkNinja on February 4, 2016 11:37PM
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    CP5 wrote: »
    But with the change to the restorying light passive, doesn't this skill's heal now get a 30% buff for its heal?

    No, major mending was nerfed to 25% whereas focused healing was 30%. So actually it is a 10% nerf if you count that along with the puncturing sweep nerf.
    Edited by timidobserver on February 4, 2016 11:39PM
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  • MissBizz
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    CP5 wrote: »
    But with the change to the restorying light passive, doesn't this skill's heal now get a 30% buff for its heal?

    Only if you are standing in cleansing ritual, rune focus or rite of passage. According to tooltips. I haven't tested.
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  • tinythinker
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    It's kind of a running joke with Templars. Come, swim in the river of laughter before you drown in the bog of tears.
    Edited by tinythinker on February 4, 2016 11:53PM
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  • bikerangelo
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    We never purposely leave notes out from the patch notes; we'll double check if this was intended or not, and get back to you.

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  • Vyle_Byte
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    What the actual *** ZOS?

    Is it EVER going to be enough? I mean, sincerely, more and more it feels like you just wanna do away with this class. Us templars have been through more nerfs than ANY other class for the past 2 years. And the idiotic thing is, we were NEVER the FOTM. Its not like we are so OP that you have to come in to balance us. You said you were going to BUFF. Yet nerf after nerf after nerf.

    You are so infuriating. STOP touching the one thing we had going for us, our heals. Give it back. Give back that 5%, its not set in stone, please stop doing this to us!

    And bad form, I must say. Being sneaky like that. Bad form.

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    Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on February 5, 2016 2:45AM
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  • Reevster
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    It is a tad OPed, I mean you really never need to heal while attacking with this skill....I have a vr 16 Templar, losing 5 percent isn't going to hurt much if at all . But then again I would sooner keep the 40 percent... :p
    Edited by Reevster on February 4, 2016 11:46PM
  • RoyJade
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    No, don't get back this 5%. Boost the skill to the point it will heal same as before, but does the boosted damage you promised.

    Note aside, it remembered me the stamsorc fight for a buff and the "great" change of lightning form...
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    They did it to us again.
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  • AriBoh
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    [Quoted content removed]

    This isn't even the first time templars have had un-noted nerfs that were 'not purposely' left out of the patch notes
    Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on February 5, 2016 3:00AM
    khele23eb17
    Agreed. Whoever came up with the design should be shot in the foot and only admitted to hospital when he manages to find 3 other people willing to maim themselves the same way in order to accompany him.

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