Camo Hunter - Fix it already!

maxjapank · December 2015

@Alcast

I don't think you've read the whole thread.

Alcast · December 2015

maxjapank wrote: »

@Alcast

I don't think you've read the whole thread.

I did not, only last page.

First post is QQ bc oneshot, others QQ about oneshot. I do not think I missed smth between those pages.>.>

Cinnamon_Spider · December 2015

Alcast wrote: »

"OMFG i got oneshot ?!?!?!?!?, please ZOS, nerf it or make it disappear because I do not want to l2p" and
"I want to run a OP Vamp build but I do not want any negative effects, so plix plox nerf Camo hunter again"

People sound like the guys that QQ about shieldbreaker 24/7.

If you run around with LA/MA with 22khp and less > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are a vampire and you think you can run cookie cutter build, then well if you get oneshot > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are running a HA build 30k HP+ and get oneshot, then you are doing smth wrong.

Why do ppl always think they can run cookie cutter builds without any sideeffects? jeez

camohunter has 2 things.
Normal Proc > 2.5s Cooldown
Sneak Proc > 0 cooldown, no clue why, tho I guess ZOS forgot to add the cooldown.

The reason why you get multiple sneak procs is because SNEAK MECHANIC is ***, all hits that land in 0.49s count as sneak attack.

And apparently, in very rare cases the normal proc can proc twice in a row? Never seen that tho iirc.

You're the guy that posts those cheesy one shot videos. Of course you don't think there's anything wrong with that.

timidobserver · December 2015

I have been assisting with the effort to get it fixed by oneshotting people with it in PvP to get them to make posts like this one. I should be rewarded for my efforts.

BuggeX · December 2015

Alcast wrote: »

If you run around with LA/MA with 22khp and less > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are a vampire and you think you can run cookie cutter build, then well if you get oneshot > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are running a HA build 30k HP+ and get oneshot, then you are doing smth wrong.

Why do ppl always think they can run cookie cutter builds without any sideeffects? jeez

do you remember, some days ago, when we met between arrius and brk?
im running right now 5HA, and i dont be Vamp.

you *** me with bleeding with 3k dot. a *** dot that ticks for 3k
not even my Shootingstar when Targets are affected by engulfing flame are taking 3k dot dmg if they stand in there.

i did some testing and Change my gear to 5LA, you still *** me with 3k bleeding.

there is nothing you can do vs the Stamina dmg, just waiting and dieing.

timidobserver · December 2015

Alcast wrote: »

"OMFG i got oneshot ?!?!?!?!?, please ZOS, nerf it or make it disappear because I do not want to l2p" and
"I want to run a OP Vamp build but I do not want any negative effects, so plix plox nerf Camo hunter again"

People sound like the guys that QQ about shieldbreaker 24/7.

If you run around with LA/MA with 22khp and less > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are a vampire and you think you can run cookie cutter build, then well if you get oneshot > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are running a HA build 30k HP+ and get oneshot, then you are doing smth wrong.

Why do ppl always think they can run cookie cutter builds without any sideeffects? jeez

camohunter has 2 things.
Normal Proc > 2.5s Cooldown
Sneak Proc > 0 cooldown, no clue why, tho I guess ZOS forgot to add the cooldown.

The reason why you get multiple sneak procs is because SNEAK MECHANIC is ***, all hits that land in 0.49s count as sneak attack.

And apparently, in very rare cases the normal proc can proc twice in a row? Never seen that tho iirc.

I run a variation of your build on my DK. I like it and it is fun. People don't realize how much you give up in order to run it, but I have to be honest. Any Vampire I target, regardless of what gear they are running, is oneshot or at least brought below 20% health. The only exception is DKs with scales up or sorcs. Even Sorcs usually end up pretty low health..

Alcast · December 2015

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

"OMFG i got oneshot ?!?!?!?!?, please ZOS, nerf it or make it disappear because I do not want to l2p" and
"I want to run a OP Vamp build but I do not want any negative effects, so plix plox nerf Camo hunter again"

People sound like the guys that QQ about shieldbreaker 24/7.

If you run around with LA/MA with 22khp and less > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are a vampire and you think you can run cookie cutter build, then well if you get oneshot > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are running a HA build 30k HP+ and get oneshot, then you are doing smth wrong.

Why do ppl always think they can run cookie cutter builds without any sideeffects? jeez

camohunter has 2 things.
Normal Proc > 2.5s Cooldown
Sneak Proc > 0 cooldown, no clue why, tho I guess ZOS forgot to add the cooldown.

The reason why you get multiple sneak procs is because SNEAK MECHANIC is ***, all hits that land in 0.49s count as sneak attack.

And apparently, in very rare cases the normal proc can proc twice in a row? Never seen that tho iirc.

You're the guy that posts those cheesy one shot videos. Of course you don't think there's anything wrong with that.

I did not say everything is fine with the skill, but just QQing about Camo although other things are the issue that make the skill OP wont help you.

Bandaiding stuff will not fix the issue. But I guess that is fine with you.

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

If you run around with LA/MA with 22khp and less > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are a vampire and you think you can run cookie cutter build, then well if you get oneshot > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are running a HA build 30k HP+ and get oneshot, then you are doing smth wrong.

Why do ppl always think they can run cookie cutter builds without any sideeffects? jeez

do you remember, some days ago, when we met between arrius and brk?
im running right now 5HA, and i dont be Vamp.

you *** me with bleeding with 3k dot. a *** dot that ticks for 3k
not even my Shootingstar when Targets are affected by engulfing flame are taking 3k dot dmg if they stand in there.

i did some testing and Change my gear to 5LA, you still *** me with 3k bleeding.

there is nothing you can do vs the Stamina dmg, just waiting and dieing.

Me running a full weapdmg/stam build will result in very high bleeding ticks. However, atm 2H Axes are bugged and ALWAYS apply bleeding instead of a 16% chance. Many times reported like other skills but yet ZOS too lazy to fix it.

Does purge remove the bleeding?

Barlthump · December 2015

cdobratz wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

The fire is you being a vamp without considering the consequences and adjusting your build appropriately. Yes a stamina vamp is weak, so is a pure bow build with no Major brutality buff, so is a pure light armor build with no defenses, some builds just are not good. You are running a vamp/stam/sorc.....you just don't look at class build? Or do you just want things stacked against you as much as possible? Or did you build your whole build around doing massive AOE damage without considering the draw backs?

As to being in stealth anywhere, its almost like your in a war or something....

The draw backs for a vampire should be the increased fire damage, the reduced health recovery, and a slightly larger damage received against me for those using camo hunter. You act like you are the only one who thinks about builds, which is as sad as it is narcissistic. My build is 5 hundings rage, 3 agility, 4 ashen grip or kena/bloodspawn with maelstrom weapons, with 5 medium and 2 heavy (for the resistance) and here's the kicker: vampire to make up for the loss of stam regen for using 2 heavy instead of all medium.

The problem is not people being in stealth or ganking, the problem is that an ability is far too effective. Something is not balanced when you cannot react to it. When I get wrecking blow'd, I realize that I did not dodge roll through them or block to prevent getting stunned. With camo hunter you hide and kill someone in a second, there is no reaction. Considering that you spent that post insulting my intelligence instead of offering any insight, maybe your "fire" is posting on the forums without thinking. Your way of thinking that if you have a problem with camo hunter, then don't be vamp or stam build is silly to put it lightly. But if you'd like to think I'm that much of an idiot that my build is the equivalent of a stam build not running a weapon power buff, go ahead and feed your ego.

Your build is 5 hundings, 3 agility with ashen and molag kena? SEEMS LEGIT. What you prolly have 15k hp unbuffered. You are running the exact same build as me and I'm playing an instant burst char with 15k hp. So don't come here crying that you get insta gibbed. Cause I'm pretty sure if I stand and and u burst me ill be in the same situation as you. Yes I am a gimmick build with low hp, yes I get one shot. But the beauty is I also one shot. It's just a game of who is the better Assassin. And in most cases, imma bet it's gonna be me cause the only thing you will see running that kind of build is your death recap

BuggeX · December 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

"OMFG i got oneshot ?!?!?!?!?, please ZOS, nerf it or make it disappear because I do not want to l2p" and
"I want to run a OP Vamp build but I do not want any negative effects, so plix plox nerf Camo hunter again"

People sound like the guys that QQ about shieldbreaker 24/7.

If you run around with LA/MA with 22khp and less > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are a vampire and you think you can run cookie cutter build, then well if you get oneshot > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are running a HA build 30k HP+ and get oneshot, then you are doing smth wrong.

Why do ppl always think they can run cookie cutter builds without any sideeffects? jeez

camohunter has 2 things.
Normal Proc > 2.5s Cooldown
Sneak Proc > 0 cooldown, no clue why, tho I guess ZOS forgot to add the cooldown.

The reason why you get multiple sneak procs is because SNEAK MECHANIC is ***, all hits that land in 0.49s count as sneak attack.

And apparently, in very rare cases the normal proc can proc twice in a row? Never seen that tho iirc.

You're the guy that posts those cheesy one shot videos. Of course you don't think there's anything wrong with that.

I did not say everything is fine with the skill, but just QQing about Camo although other things are the issue that make the skill OP wont help you.

Bandaiding stuff will not fix the issue. But I guess that is fine with you.

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

If you run around with LA/MA with 22khp and less > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are a vampire and you think you can run cookie cutter build, then well if you get oneshot > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are running a HA build 30k HP+ and get oneshot, then you are doing smth wrong.

Why do ppl always think they can run cookie cutter builds without any sideeffects? jeez

do you remember, some days ago, when we met between arrius and brk?
im running right now 5HA, and i dont be Vamp.

you *** me with bleeding with 3k dot. a *** dot that ticks for 3k
not even my Shootingstar when Targets are affected by engulfing flame are taking 3k dot dmg if they stand in there.

i did some testing and Change my gear to 5LA, you still *** me with 3k bleeding.

there is nothing you can do vs the Stamina dmg, just waiting and dieing.

Me running a full weapdmg/stam build will result in very high bleeding ticks. However, atm 2H Axes are bugged and ALWAYS apply bleeding instead of a 16% chance. Many times reported like other skills but yet ZOS too lazy to fix it.

Does purge remove the bleeding?

yes purge does remove it, but it only remove 2 dots, and since any *** trowen at you as some sort of debuff or dot, purg is uselles, just a wast of magicka.

but the dot itself wasnt my complain, it was just the fact that HA or LA will Change nothing aigans dmg income from Stamina users.
either buff HA or nerf Stamina dmg armor penetration

Alcast · December 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

"OMFG i got oneshot ?!?!?!?!?, please ZOS, nerf it or make it disappear because I do not want to l2p" and
"I want to run a OP Vamp build but I do not want any negative effects, so plix plox nerf Camo hunter again"

People sound like the guys that QQ about shieldbreaker 24/7.

If you run around with LA/MA with 22khp and less > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are a vampire and you think you can run cookie cutter build, then well if you get oneshot > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are running a HA build 30k HP+ and get oneshot, then you are doing smth wrong.

Why do ppl always think they can run cookie cutter builds without any sideeffects? jeez

camohunter has 2 things.
Normal Proc > 2.5s Cooldown
Sneak Proc > 0 cooldown, no clue why, tho I guess ZOS forgot to add the cooldown.

The reason why you get multiple sneak procs is because SNEAK MECHANIC is ***, all hits that land in 0.49s count as sneak attack.

And apparently, in very rare cases the normal proc can proc twice in a row? Never seen that tho iirc.

You're the guy that posts those cheesy one shot videos. Of course you don't think there's anything wrong with that.

I did not say everything is fine with the skill, but just QQing about Camo although other things are the issue that make the skill OP wont help you.

Bandaiding stuff will not fix the issue. But I guess that is fine with you.

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

If you run around with LA/MA with 22khp and less > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are a vampire and you think you can run cookie cutter build, then well if you get oneshot > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are running a HA build 30k HP+ and get oneshot, then you are doing smth wrong.

Why do ppl always think they can run cookie cutter builds without any sideeffects? jeez

do you remember, some days ago, when we met between arrius and brk?
im running right now 5HA, and i dont be Vamp.

you *** me with bleeding with 3k dot. a *** dot that ticks for 3k
not even my Shootingstar when Targets are affected by engulfing flame are taking 3k dot dmg if they stand in there.

i did some testing and Change my gear to 5LA, you still *** me with 3k bleeding.

there is nothing you can do vs the Stamina dmg, just waiting and dieing.

Me running a full weapdmg/stam build will result in very high bleeding ticks. However, atm 2H Axes are bugged and ALWAYS apply bleeding instead of a 16% chance. Many times reported like other skills but yet ZOS too lazy to fix it.

Does purge remove the bleeding?

yes purge does remove it, but it only remove 2 dots, and since any *** trowen at you as some sort of debuff or dot, purg is uselles, just a wast of magicka.

but the dot itself wasnt my complain, it was just the fact that HA or LA will Change nothing aigans dmg income from Stamina users.
either buff HA or nerf Stamina dmg armor penetration

HA is kind of weak and really only used because it reduced blockcost by a lot. I actually did not know that you cannot reduce the bleeding tick by Armor Resistance lol. That seems kind of odd to me?

I do not have armor penetration at all with my setup when i use 2H axe tho. So it seems that bleedíng dmg is not changable by armor res or armor pene hmm

Cinnamon_Spider · December 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

"OMFG i got oneshot ?!?!?!?!?, please ZOS, nerf it or make it disappear because I do not want to l2p" and
"I want to run a OP Vamp build but I do not want any negative effects, so plix plox nerf Camo hunter again"

People sound like the guys that QQ about shieldbreaker 24/7.

If you run around with LA/MA with 22khp and less > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are a vampire and you think you can run cookie cutter build, then well if you get oneshot > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are running a HA build 30k HP+ and get oneshot, then you are doing smth wrong.

Why do ppl always think they can run cookie cutter builds without any sideeffects? jeez

camohunter has 2 things.
Normal Proc > 2.5s Cooldown
Sneak Proc > 0 cooldown, no clue why, tho I guess ZOS forgot to add the cooldown.

The reason why you get multiple sneak procs is because SNEAK MECHANIC is ***, all hits that land in 0.49s count as sneak attack.

And apparently, in very rare cases the normal proc can proc twice in a row? Never seen that tho iirc.

You're the guy that posts those cheesy one shot videos. Of course you don't think there's anything wrong with that.

I did not say everything is fine with the skill, but just QQing about Camo although other things are the issue that make the skill OP wont help you.

Bandaiding stuff will not fix the issue. But I guess that is fine with you.

If you have actual information to contribute to the conversation, then don't come storming in here saying the issue is simply with someone's build, or that they need to l2p. You didn't even read anything in the thread before replying.

Simply being a vamp shouldn't be reason enough to be able to be one shot.

supacatoneb16_ESO · December 2015

it should be the only reason to be able to one shot
dont be a Vamp

i only oneshoot vamp

maxjapank · December 2015

supacatoneb16_ESO wrote: »

it should be the only reason to be able to one shot
dont be a Vamp

i only oneshoot vamp

No. Being a Vamp should have strengths and weaknesses. But being one shot is not right. And especially being one shot by a bugged skill. The OP is asking for balance. That's all.

BuggeX · December 2015

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

"OMFG i got oneshot ?!?!?!?!?, please ZOS, nerf it or make it disappear because I do not want to l2p" and
"I want to run a OP Vamp build but I do not want any negative effects, so plix plox nerf Camo hunter again"

People sound like the guys that QQ about shieldbreaker 24/7.

If you run around with LA/MA with 22khp and less > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are a vampire and you think you can run cookie cutter build, then well if you get oneshot > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are running a HA build 30k HP+ and get oneshot, then you are doing smth wrong.

Why do ppl always think they can run cookie cutter builds without any sideeffects? jeez

camohunter has 2 things.
Normal Proc > 2.5s Cooldown
Sneak Proc > 0 cooldown, no clue why, tho I guess ZOS forgot to add the cooldown.

The reason why you get multiple sneak procs is because SNEAK MECHANIC is ***, all hits that land in 0.49s count as sneak attack.

And apparently, in very rare cases the normal proc can proc twice in a row? Never seen that tho iirc.

You're the guy that posts those cheesy one shot videos. Of course you don't think there's anything wrong with that.

I did not say everything is fine with the skill, but just QQing about Camo although other things are the issue that make the skill OP wont help you.

Bandaiding stuff will not fix the issue. But I guess that is fine with you.

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

If you run around with LA/MA with 22khp and less > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are a vampire and you think you can run cookie cutter build, then well if you get oneshot > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are running a HA build 30k HP+ and get oneshot, then you are doing smth wrong.

Why do ppl always think they can run cookie cutter builds without any sideeffects? jeez

do you remember, some days ago, when we met between arrius and brk?
im running right now 5HA, and i dont be Vamp.

you *** me with bleeding with 3k dot. a *** dot that ticks for 3k
not even my Shootingstar when Targets are affected by engulfing flame are taking 3k dot dmg if they stand in there.

i did some testing and Change my gear to 5LA, you still *** me with 3k bleeding.

there is nothing you can do vs the Stamina dmg, just waiting and dieing.

Me running a full weapdmg/stam build will result in very high bleeding ticks. However, atm 2H Axes are bugged and ALWAYS apply bleeding instead of a 16% chance. Many times reported like other skills but yet ZOS too lazy to fix it.

Does purge remove the bleeding?

yes purge does remove it, but it only remove 2 dots, and since any *** trowen at you as some sort of debuff or dot, purg is uselles, just a wast of magicka.

but the dot itself wasnt my complain, it was just the fact that HA or LA will Change nothing aigans dmg income from Stamina users.
either buff HA or nerf Stamina dmg armor penetration

HA is kind of weak and really only used because it reduced blockcost by a lot. I actually did not know that you cannot reduce the bleeding tick by Armor Resistance lol. That seems kind of odd to me?

I do not have armor penetration at all with my setup when i use 2H axe tho. So it seems that bleedíng dmg is not changable by armor res or armor pene hmm

you can reduce the dot by armor, but since the Penetration/armor values are Kind of broken/***/uselles it does absolutly nothing, mby you where also running Magma Shell at this time.

lets take a look at it, with armor up i have somthing 25-27k armor with HA, 18-20k with LA.
we where fighting both with a small Group ~5-6 ppls, so i got for sure Major breach and mby minior on me. this would reduce my values to ~19k for HA and 12k for LA. with your Standard Penetration from ~8k i have at the end 11k HA or 6k LA.
this will reduce the incoming dmg by max 10% HA or 6-7% LA.

i guess your tooltip say 2,5k bleeding, with crit and my crit reduce it will end at 3,1 HA or 3,2k LA.

bigscoothb14_ESO · December 2015

I just want to throw my experience in here in the last few days, I have been "one shot" numerous times on 3 characters none of them vamps. On my sorc and NB i can live with it cause they are more or less glass cannons, my templar however is not. 28k hp, 33k spell resist, 25k physical resist, 4 impen armor and have been the victim of a "one shot" at least a dozen times in the last few days.

It is normally heavy dual wield surprise attack or snipe ambush surprise attack with 2 or 3 camo hunter procs in there. That is 10-15k of proc-ed cheese if you ask me. People who use it love it and why not, timed right it will double your damage. I am not a pure PvP player so giving up inner light for radiant is not an option. Another couple days of grinding i will have proxi-det on my temp and no need to take that toon back to PvP.

Camo hunter melting vamps, ok makes sense. Camo hunter melting everyone is just crap.

Jules · January 2016

imredneckson wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

BigTone wrote: »

My dual wield heavy attack with camo hunter proc has done over 35k Damage before, so the situation @Cinnamon_Spider describes is plausible.

I have also seen similar damage on my Bow DK build but not against anyone running magelight, and certainly not against anyone running 5 heavy, I see that damage mostly against full medium or full light builds.

Bow dk so your pretty much one of those dk 1 hit gankers, well that clears things up. Protecting your ap farm.

Whatever makes you feel better...Yes I do have a particular character that runs a bullseye build...I will continue to blow up noobs like you while drinking your sweet tears.

I love running my one shot killing machine and yes noobs drop like a stone but noobs aren't the only ones to drop from it. I snipe members of Haxus for 28k some time ( I have nothing but respect for Haxus you are one of the best teams I've ever seen in this game ) and they drop instantly. They aren't noobs by any means they are scary to fight. This build is op but camo hunter is just one more heavy hitting part to this build I still don't think it's bugged what so ever

Thank you. And agree about camo hunter, very broken.
Stop sniping us!!!

MormondPayne_EP · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

Stam NB's with focused aim + WB and stam DK's with WB + take flight can get similar if not higher DPS with the right combo.

Them abilities take time to cast. What the OP is complaining about is high burst damage (usually from stealth) with no time to react at all.

That damage is done within a 2 second time frame. Now assuming you're not on a horse and have no buffs and you get 1 shotted then that's your own fault. I ran a vamp hunter build for a while and noticed its the noobs who are easy kills. People who actually tried to survive those 1 shots managed to do so instead of crying on forums. You can't 1 shot someone with wards, resistance wards, magelight and so on. And again, he's complaining that it's "broken", as if it were some sort of bug or weakness open to exploit, I'll have everyone know that these skills are working exactly as intended so cry2play players should rephrase their threads as such.

The only one that should rephrase their comment is you. Camo is obviously not working as intended if it can do that much damage along with one attack in a shorter period of time than it is humanly possible to react. That is my problem. Each time I've been one shot by it, I've gone from full health to dead in a second. My reaction times are not an issue.

Again, I have crit reduction cp and impen because of all the stealth garbage, Channeled Focus is up 100% of the time, cp into magic damage reduction, and 30k health.

First off you are either deluding yourself or claiming buff's you don't actually have up. Secondly you are not running the #1 defense against stealth gankers, an ability that would eliminate the need for all the CP into magic damage reduction, eliminate the need for 30k hps, eliminate the need to have a shield up constantly. RADIANT MAGELIGHT 1 ability completely counters the 1 shot builds....like I said you don't want to actually counter someone who is owning you, you want to keep doing what you've always done and you want ZOS to nerf someone else's build so they can't kill you.

So in order to not be 1 hit expoited people are forced to give up 2 of their 10 skill slots? EVen if they are a stamina build?

Nah, just fix it.

It's not broke, this question was put forth before and ZOS addressed it, skill works as intended, only thing that is broke is the death recap. As stated one build puts all their skills, CP, gear, into maximizing an effect that is really only super powerful versus a handful of the population and you can simply counter it with 1 skill and no CP, no gear change. L2P, one shot builds don't kill good players, they kill careless players or noobs.

1 shot builds will kill people in 1 shot, where does skill even come into it? It's ok we get it you want to keep your expoit and continue farming ap because it's quick and requires no skill.

Alcast wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

"OMFG i got oneshot ?!?!?!?!?, please ZOS, nerf it or make it disappear because I do not want to l2p" and
"I want to run a OP Vamp build but I do not want any negative effects, so plix plox nerf Camo hunter again"

People sound like the guys that QQ about shieldbreaker 24/7.

If you run around with LA/MA with 22khp and less > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are a vampire and you think you can run cookie cutter build, then well if you get oneshot > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are running a HA build 30k HP+ and get oneshot, then you are doing smth wrong.

Why do ppl always think they can run cookie cutter builds without any sideeffects? jeez

camohunter has 2 things.
Normal Proc > 2.5s Cooldown
Sneak Proc > 0 cooldown, no clue why, tho I guess ZOS forgot to add the cooldown.

The reason why you get multiple sneak procs is because SNEAK MECHANIC is ***, all hits that land in 0.49s count as sneak attack.

And apparently, in very rare cases the normal proc can proc twice in a row? Never seen that tho iirc.

You're the guy that posts those cheesy one shot videos. Of course you don't think there's anything wrong with that.

I did not say everything is fine with the skill, but just QQing about Camo although other things are the issue that make the skill OP wont help you.

Bandaiding stuff will not fix the issue. But I guess that is fine with you.

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

If you run around with LA/MA with 22khp and less > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are a vampire and you think you can run cookie cutter build, then well if you get oneshot > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are running a HA build 30k HP+ and get oneshot, then you are doing smth wrong.

Why do ppl always think they can run cookie cutter builds without any sideeffects? jeez

do you remember, some days ago, when we met between arrius and brk?
im running right now 5HA, and i dont be Vamp.

you *** me with bleeding with 3k dot. a *** dot that ticks for 3k
not even my Shootingstar when Targets are affected by engulfing flame are taking 3k dot dmg if they stand in there.

i did some testing and Change my gear to 5LA, you still *** me with 3k bleeding.

there is nothing you can do vs the Stamina dmg, just waiting and dieing.

Me running a full weapdmg/stam build will result in very high bleeding ticks. However, atm 2H Axes are bugged and ALWAYS apply bleeding instead of a 16% chance. Many times reported like other skills but yet ZOS too lazy to fix it.

Does purge remove the bleeding?

So you come in here, telling everyone who is complaining about camo hunter that they suck but then go on to admit your are using a known bugged skill to proc 100% bleeds on players...

Yep, credibility gone.

tennant94 · January 2016

Yeah, fix it already!

revonine · January 2016

Simple fact of the matter is yes vamp should have pros and cons, but this isn't a con, it's downright punishing. Vampire is unplayable in Cyrodill right now. You are dropped instantly with zero chance to defend yourself and this goes against the changes to Cyrodill to make it less like "FPS" style kills. You may as well hang a big fat "Free AP here" sign on your characters back.

Jura23 · January 2016

This was a oneshot, lol, made me laugh:

Fun aside though, there must be some bug, because I have more health than that and I was at full.

revonine · January 2016

Jura23 wrote: »

This was a oneshot, lol, made me laugh:

Fun aside though, there must be some bug, because I have more health than that and I was at full.

Yeah I've been dropped from full health on my Sorc (21K health non vamp) with sub 20K camo hunters before. Death recap is unreliable enough as it is but when you through camo hunter into the mix all bets are off really.

Alcast · January 2016

Jura23 wrote: »

This was a oneshot, lol, made me laugh:

Fun aside though, there must be some bug, because I have more health than that and I was at full.

Death recap did bug out there. Sometimes it bugs out. If you have a dmg log from an addon it would prolly show the correct hits. Bc ZOS cant code stuff and if they do, they make well darn sure it is buggy.

Lord-Otto · January 2016

Erm, sorry, Alcast, look... your signature states directly and rather blunt that you absolutely despise vampires. That immediately makes you an invalid person to discuss objective balancing on this matter, period. I'll come back to you when I need help with a stamina build, but as far as vampirism and its pro-con-ratio goes, you're not credible enough on that matter.
Sorry, bro, nothing personal, but you're out.

CN_Daniel · January 2016

Jules wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

BigTone wrote: »

My dual wield heavy attack with camo hunter proc has done over 35k Damage before, so the situation @Cinnamon_Spider describes is plausible.

I have also seen similar damage on my Bow DK build but not against anyone running magelight, and certainly not against anyone running 5 heavy, I see that damage mostly against full medium or full light builds.

Bow dk so your pretty much one of those dk 1 hit gankers, well that clears things up. Protecting your ap farm.

Whatever makes you feel better...Yes I do have a particular character that runs a bullseye build...I will continue to blow up noobs like you while drinking your sweet tears.

I love running my one shot killing machine and yes noobs drop like a stone but noobs aren't the only ones to drop from it. I snipe members of Haxus for 28k some time ( I have nothing but respect for Haxus you are one of the best teams I've ever seen in this game ) and they drop instantly. They aren't noobs by any means they are scary to fight. This build is op but camo hunter is just one more heavy hitting part to this build I still don't think it's bugged what so ever

Thank you. And agree about camo hunter, very broken.
Stop sniping us!!!

I send him out with names. He comes back with heads.

CatchMeTrolling · January 2016

Alcast wrote: »

"OMFG i got oneshot ?!?!?!?!?, please ZOS, nerf it or make it disappear because I do not want to l2p" and
"I want to run a OP Vamp build but I do not want any negative effects, so plix plox nerf Camo hunter again"

People sound like the guys that QQ about shieldbreaker 24/7.

If you run around with LA/MA with 22khp and less > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are a vampire and you think you can run cookie cutter build, then well if you get oneshot > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are running a HA build 30k HP+ and get oneshot, then you are doing smth wrong.

Why do ppl always think they can run cookie cutter builds without any sideeffects? jeez

camohunter has 2 things.
Normal Proc > 2.5s Cooldown
Sneak Proc > 0 cooldown, no clue why, tho I guess ZOS forgot to add the cooldown.

The reason why you get multiple sneak procs is because SNEAK MECHANIC is ***, all hits that land in 0.49s count as sneak attack.

And apparently, in very rare cases the normal proc can proc twice in a row? Never seen that tho iirc.

You're justifying getting one shotted, I don't care what anyone is wearing no one should be getting one shotted. It's people like you who should have no say so when it comes to pvp whatsoever. It's nothing skillful about it, it's pretty cheap and I can't respect anyone who plays like that.

imredneckson · January 2016

Jules wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

BigTone wrote: »

My dual wield heavy attack with camo hunter proc has done over 35k Damage before, so the situation @Cinnamon_Spider describes is plausible.

I have also seen similar damage on my Bow DK build but not against anyone running magelight, and certainly not against anyone running 5 heavy, I see that damage mostly against full medium or full light builds.

Bow dk so your pretty much one of those dk 1 hit gankers, well that clears things up. Protecting your ap farm.

Whatever makes you feel better...Yes I do have a particular character that runs a bullseye build...I will continue to blow up noobs like you while drinking your sweet tears.

I love running my one shot killing machine and yes noobs drop like a stone but noobs aren't the only ones to drop from it. I snipe members of Haxus for 28k some time ( I have nothing but respect for Haxus you are one of the best teams I've ever seen in this game ) and they drop instantly. They aren't noobs by any means they are scary to fight. This build is op but camo hunter is just one more heavy hitting part to this build I still don't think it's bugged what so ever

Thank you. And agree about camo hunter, very broken.
Stop sniping us!!!

Quick heads up im working on an AD toon that will have an extra 10% damage from stealth

WRX · January 2016

I did not read all this, but any potato defending camo hunter is a joke. Want to keep throwing around "bad player" accusations, and you are the one insta-killing players? Please. I dont even use camo hunter on my nightblade for a few reasons, but one being it is super cheese.

And for the people saying the tooltip is bugged, you are flat out wrong. ZOS said the tooltip was bugged when it only showed camo hunter being displayed and no skill attached to it.

The tool tip is right when you see 2 or 3 procs from it in one combo, and that is the part that is broken.

It needs to be one cast equals one proc. Want another proc? Cast it again.

Barlthump · January 2016

WRX wrote: »

I did not read all this, but any potato defending camo hunter is a joke. Want to keep throwing around "bad player" accusations, and you are the one insta-killing players? Please. I dont even use camo hunter on my nightblade for a few reasons, but one being it is super cheese.

And for the people saying the tooltip is bugged, you are flat out wrong. ZOS said the tooltip was bugged when it only showed camo hunter being displayed and no skill attached to it.

The tool tip is right when you see 2 or 3 procs from it in one combo, and that is the part that is broken.

It needs to be one cast equals one proc. Want another proc? Cast it again.

You do know one cast one proc will kill the dps for pve right? It's like saying one cast should only give one overload attack. So everytime you shoot, you gotta recast.

WRX · January 2016

Barlthump wrote: »

WRX wrote: »

I did not read all this, but any potato defending camo hunter is a joke. Want to keep throwing around "bad player" accusations, and you are the one insta-killing players? Please. I dont even use camo hunter on my nightblade for a few reasons, but one being it is super cheese.

And for the people saying the tooltip is bugged, you are flat out wrong. ZOS said the tooltip was bugged when it only showed camo hunter being displayed and no skill attached to it.

The tool tip is right when you see 2 or 3 procs from it in one combo, and that is the part that is broken.

It needs to be one cast equals one proc. Want another proc? Cast it again.

You do know one cast one proc will kill the dps for pve right? It's like saying one cast should only give one overload attack. So everytime you shoot, you gotta recast.

Well you are using a broken mechanic to preform higher dps. I mean, you aren't the first.

And no, overload is a toggle and is entirely different. Camo hunter is a buff.

Figure out something better once its fixed. Camo hunter should not ever proc more than once, thats not how its designed.

Ghosted · January 2016

First of all, you don't need some special build to one shot with this skill, just a nightblade with decent weapon damage (I have have 4500 stealth and 10 do into blade expert) I don't agree with some of the gankers claiming that "1 shot builds" should be viable, honestly, I play both sides with different toons, and it's pretty ridiculous. My vampire Templar is in heavy armor impen and nearly 32k health in cyrodiil and can easily be one shotted if the player ani-cancels correctly. Even with nearly cap spell resist and 40 points into hardy I still have taken 13k single proc cammos (plus the heavy attack, and cammo proc from 2nd skill).

I've used the skill on my stam blade (for testing purposes lulz), the first time I heavy attacked a vamp from stealth and didn't even need a surprise attack follow up I just threw my hands up in disbelief and walked out of the room. Imo it's OP guys, if it's bugged fix it, if it's working as intended nerf it. If you are dead before you even know you are being attacked something is wrong. That goes for snipe, molten armaments, heavy destro, so on.