Camo Hunter - Fix it already!

MancandyMcDong

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1) sub 20k health unbuffed in cyro
2) 7/7 light armor
3) barely any impen gear ( everyone loves to stack 7/7 divines with some infused)
4) stack 40k magicka with 0 consideration for stam or health

What? you thought u could waltz around cyro as a glass cannon vamp and no one gona pawn u? Get 2 pieces heavy with some impen traits and 25k health unbuffed. Put lots of CP into crit and magic resistance. Stop running cookie cutter dps builds with vamp flavour. Design a build centred around stabilizing ur weaknesses. Yes that means stop doing things like wearing 5 julianos/2 torugs etc. There are other sets out there. Dont go around with barely 20k health tooting 40k magicka with proxy det and batswarm or you gona get rekt son. Im still drinking sweet sweet vamp tears and getting like 10 rage tells today about how i suck and need to L2P. Sorry i cant hear u from all the way down there where ur lying dead.

^ This

Just lay there with your glowing aura as I dance on your body. Thank you.

BuggeX

Vangy wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1. They're not sorc's with a 10-12k ward up that makes them immune to crits lol.

If you dont understand that you're seriously straight out of Cadwell's Gold Academy.

Having extra health, some impen or heavy makes little difference v.s. sneak attacks with camo hunter proc's as vampire, you still cant survive 30-40k dps.

There's only one thing you can do as non sorc vampire, that's running Radiant Magelight. It works, but most people aren't willing to give up 2 important skill slots.

So much salt. Need waterrrrrr....

Go wear 2 heavy with impen with 25 k health. If u still get 1 shot regularly video it and post it here. Then I will weep with you. Till then imma lick dat salt all up. Nom nom. No chance any1 is gona get a 40k burst on you with proper gear and skill set up. Yes obviously run radiant if ur a vamp. Thank you Sherlock! Also pro tip: igneous shields, healing ward (6 seconds but I Guess it's still an option) etc etc all work against camo crits too! Not just hardened ward. Jeez.

BuggeX wrote: »

no vid sry, but i have 32k Hp with HA

ingeos shild would be 3k for me in pvp, not even worth vs this dmg


OHHHH btw, i wasnt even a Vamp

This isn't a 1 shot although it may feel like it due to animation cancelling. Also just from looking at the log it seems like u let someone crawl into ur butthole in stealth. You got hit by a meelee heavy Attack followed by surprise Attack animation cancelled with bash. Disregarding the obvious solution that is not to let someone stand there and poke your butthole in stealth without u noticing, you also got very unlucky because got hit by 4 crits in a row (note resilient cp procs). Since you aren't a vamp, the person procced the 4% chance to deal camo hunter as well as the guaranteed camo hunter from stealth. Again you ran out of luck. Also the damage totals to be around 30.5k. Not 32k. Also no one uses igneous shields for the shield. It's for the healing and even a 500hp shield is going to stop one critical hit. Next time someone hits you from stealth use an immovabiltiy pot and pop igneous followed by vigor. It will stop any more shenanigans like this. Or even better don't stand around and let someone charge a heavy on you. This is pvp. You stop moving you die.

did you noticed the time? thats was so fast, no human beeing could react fast enought to Pop even a smelly fart.
there is no Thing like "one" hit, no ability will deal enought dmg allone to kill something, its the time wath do the "one" hit.

yea ture 30,5k one my bar without entrophy.
even when i would have igneos up this time, it would not save me cause it would absorb max. one hit, this means i would have been at 4-5k HP i as a DK would die anyway.

dont let someone sneak up to you.... yea your funny...

Vangy

BuggeX wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1. They're not sorc's with a 10-12k ward up that makes them immune to crits lol.

If you dont understand that you're seriously straight out of Cadwell's Gold Academy.

Having extra health, some impen or heavy makes little difference v.s. sneak attacks with camo hunter proc's as vampire, you still cant survive 30-40k dps.

There's only one thing you can do as non sorc vampire, that's running Radiant Magelight. It works, but most people aren't willing to give up 2 important skill slots.

So much salt. Need waterrrrrr....

Go wear 2 heavy with impen with 25 k health. If u still get 1 shot regularly video it and post it here. Then I will weep with you. Till then imma lick dat salt all up. Nom nom. No chance any1 is gona get a 40k burst on you with proper gear and skill set up. Yes obviously run radiant if ur a vamp. Thank you Sherlock! Also pro tip: igneous shields, healing ward (6 seconds but I Guess it's still an option) etc etc all work against camo crits too! Not just hardened ward. Jeez.

BuggeX wrote: »

no vid sry, but i have 32k Hp with HA

ingeos shild would be 3k for me in pvp, not even worth vs this dmg


OHHHH btw, i wasnt even a Vamp

This isn't a 1 shot although it may feel like it due to animation cancelling. Also just from looking at the log it seems like u let someone crawl into ur butthole in stealth. You got hit by a meelee heavy Attack followed by surprise Attack animation cancelled with bash. Disregarding the obvious solution that is not to let someone stand there and poke your butthole in stealth without u noticing, you also got very unlucky because got hit by 4 crits in a row (note resilient cp procs). Since you aren't a vamp, the person procced the 4% chance to deal camo hunter as well as the guaranteed camo hunter from stealth. Again you ran out of luck. Also the damage totals to be around 30.5k. Not 32k. Also no one uses igneous shields for the shield. It's for the healing and even a 500hp shield is going to stop one critical hit. Next time someone hits you from stealth use an immovabiltiy pot and pop igneous followed by vigor. It will stop any more shenanigans like this. Or even better don't stand around and let someone charge a heavy on you. This is pvp. You stop moving you die.

did you noticed the time? thats was so fast, no human beeing could react fast enought to Pop even a smelly fart.
there is no Thing like "one" hit, no ability will deal enought dmg allone to kill something, its the time wath do the "one" hit.

yea ture 30,5k one my bar without entrophy.
even when i would have igneos up this time, it would not save me cause it would absorb max. one hit, this means i would have been at 4-5k HP i as a DK would die anyway.

dont let someone sneak up to you.... yea your funny...

No I'm not being funny. I'm being very serious. You may notice I also have a v16 dk which is listed in my sig. He dosent get 1 shot shenanigans like yours. So either I'm lying and am getting one shot all day Long which would make me very pissed or you need to L2P. It takes around 1.5-2 seconds to buff up with rally and camo hunter and another 2 seconds to charge a full heavy Attack. So about 3-4 seconds to line up everything nicely. All the time someone was doing this in stealth behind you what were you doing? I don't know if you are a stam dk or not but if you are heres some helpful tips

5 heavy, 2 medium or 5/1/1. Get 25k health unbuffed. 3k weapon damage at least unbuffed. Get your traits in at least 2-3 impen. Get at least 30-50 points in crit resistant.

Also most importantly don't sit around and let someone sneak up to you butt hole without you noticing. Throw out a random Aoe every now and then. Steel nado, eruption etc etc. Or even better. Run volatile armor. It takes sneak-to-your-butthole noobs right out of stealth. Or if ur a magicka dk run radiant Mage light. Any of the above would have stopped what had happened to you from happening. But no. You don't wanna hear helpful advice do u. All you want to do is whine about being one shot and pretend that there's no counter. Someone sneaked up right behind you, casted 2 buffs and smacked ur soft butt with a 2 second charged heavy Attack. Do you seriously think that there is nothing you could have done about that? Really? Are you truly that delusional or am I being trolled here?

BuggeX

wath kinde of hax do you use to notice any sneaker out there in cyro?
is this a legal mod? i would use it.

Alcast

BuggeX wrote: »

wath kinde of hax do you use to notice any sneaker out there in cyro?
is this a legal mod? i would use it.

sound, you hear them activating any skills if they are 10-20m close to you...then I use detect pot and usually RIP them up as they think I do not see them.

In all of cyrodiil I only got ganked like less than 10 times max...and out of those are like 4 from the same guy...

BuggeX

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

wath kinde of hax do you use to notice any sneaker out there in cyro?
is this a legal mod? i would use it.

sound, you hear them acitvating any skills if they are 10-20m close to you...then I use detect pot and usually RIP them up as they think I do not see them.

if this would just be accurate in azuras

mby because you are one of the gankers?

Alcast

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

wath kinde of hax do you use to notice any sneaker out there in cyro?
is this a legal mod? i would use it.

sound, you hear them acitvating any skills if they are 10-20m close to you...then I use detect pot and usually RIP them up as they think I do not see them.

if this would just be accurate in azuras

I am not a vamp tho, so I do not get instagibbed by HA Bow DKs. as Vampire death is inevitable sometimes...but as nonvamp its def possible....

Mag Sorc and Mag NB vamps that QQ is not understandable at all. Keep up Shield or cloak and no problemo.
Mag DK more tricky but flap your wings or igneous shield 24/7

Usually it is just because people are too lazy to keep their buffs up. When I ride around Cyro I always keep Rally up in case some mofo tries to instagib me...so I get back at full HP instantly by reactivating Rally.

Vangy

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

wath kinde of hax do you use to notice any sneaker out there in cyro?
is this a legal mod? i would use it.

sound, you hear them acitvating any skills if they are 10-20m close to you...then I use detect pot and usually RIP them up as they think I do not see them.

if this would just be accurate in azuras

I am not a vamp tho, so I do not get instagibbed by HA Bow DKs. as Vampire death is inevitable sometimes...but as nonvamp its def possible....

Mag Sorc and Mag NB vamps that QQ is not understandable at all. Keep up Shield or cloak and no problemo.
Mag DK more tricky but flap your wings or igneous shield 24/7

Usually it is just because people are too lazy to keep their buffs up. When I ride around Cyro I always keep Rally up in case some mofo tries to instagib me...so I get back at full HP instantly by reactivating Rally.

^this.

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

wath kinde of hax do you use to notice any sneaker out there in cyro?
is this a legal mod? i would use it.

sound, you hear them activating any skills if they are 10-20m close to you...then I use detect pot and usually RIP them up as they think I do not see them.

In all of cyrodiil I only got ganked like less than 10 times max...and out of those are like 4 from the same guy...

Also this^

But no you don't wanna hear all this right? You wanna continue to whine about being 1 shot and continue believing that there are no counters.

BuggeX wrote: »

wath kinde of hax do you use to notice any sneaker out there in cyro?
is this a legal mod? i would use it.

Yes it's a very special mod that you can't download. It's called......a brain. And yes it's very essential to use this mod not just in eso but in life.

Septimus_Magna

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1) sub 20k health unbuffed in cyro
2) 7/7 light armor
3) barely any impen gear ( everyone loves to stack 7/7 divines with some infused)
4) stack 40k magicka with 0 consideration for stam or health

What? you thought u could waltz around cyro as a glass cannon vamp and no one gona pawn u? Get 2 pieces heavy with some impen traits and 25k health unbuffed. Put lots of CP into crit and magic resistance. Stop running cookie cutter dps builds with vamp flavour. Design a build centred around stabilizing ur weaknesses. Yes that means stop doing things like wearing 5 julianos/2 torugs etc. There are other sets out there. Dont go around with barely 20k health tooting 40k magicka with proxy det and batswarm or you gona get rekt son. Im still drinking sweet sweet vamp tears and getting like 10 rage tells today about how i suck and need to L2P. Sorry i cant hear u from all the way down there where ur lying dead.

Sorc dont get one-shot because sorcs have 18k shields vs magic/fire dmg which also prevents crits. Not because your build is centered around your weakness, just because sorcs have the ability to stack shields and prevent dmg that normally hurts vamps.

Ive played both my sorcs and NB as vamps in pvp and the difference couldnt any be bigger. On a sorc you barely notice the increased weakness to fire and fighters guild skills because you hardly get hit without shields up.

On a NB the increased weakness is very noticeable, most players are using Camo Hunter or Dawnbreaker so you get hit for extra dmg all the time. Not to mention the increased dmg of oils, fire ballista's and fire trebuchets which isnt mitigated by spell resist or CPs into Elemental Defender.

Cloak is a good way to reduce dmg but if someone uses Piercing Mark, a detect pot or Caltrops you're basically dead.

Alcast

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

wath kinde of hax do you use to notice any sneaker out there in cyro?
is this a legal mod? i would use it.

sound, you hear them acitvating any skills if they are 10-20m close to you...then I use detect pot and usually RIP them up as they think I do not see them.

if this would just be accurate in azuras

mby because you are one of the gankers?

You should also go gankmode for a bit so you know how gankers think...or watch this video xD (funny vid haha)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1BxRNHVGpk

When I play on Stamsorc I do not rly gank....still do not get ganked >.>

When you do not engage in fights always be in sneak...if you are out of sneak then be ready to get hit so you can instant CC break.

However, if you get Spambushed by 5x NB then there is nothing you rly can do...thats usually how I die...like I get out of stealth and get instajumped by 2093023590494059 Spambushers....I wonder how many Nbs there are per squaremeter

BuggeX

its funny that you still try to deffend stealth mechanics and procs out off it, because reasons.

its even funnier that even you @Alcast try to deffend the Animiation canncelled duo proc with silver shard out off stealth.

Alcast

BuggeX wrote: »

its funny that you still try to deffend stealth mechanics and procs out off it, because reasons.

its even funnier that even you @Alcast try to deffend the Animiation canncelled duo proc with silver shard out off stealth.

Well, I know it is OP....but I do not understand how ppl always get instagibbed because I never really get instagibbed by it. As vamp well RIPerino tho.


ZOS is not changing the skill...

BuggeX

Alcast wrote: »

Well, I know it is OP....but I do not understand how ppl always get instagibbed because I never really get instagibbed by it. As vamp well RIPerino tho.

you should Play your mag dk more, then you know how it feels.
i was running any possible way for protection, but let me say, there is such now way to protect yourself to gankers like you.

Vangy

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1) sub 20k health unbuffed in cyro
2) 7/7 light armor
3) barely any impen gear ( everyone loves to stack 7/7 divines with some infused)
4) stack 40k magicka with 0 consideration for stam or health

What? you thought u could waltz around cyro as a glass cannon vamp and no one gona pawn u? Get 2 pieces heavy with some impen traits and 25k health unbuffed. Put lots of CP into crit and magic resistance. Stop running cookie cutter dps builds with vamp flavour. Design a build centred around stabilizing ur weaknesses. Yes that means stop doing things like wearing 5 julianos/2 torugs etc. There are other sets out there. Dont go around with barely 20k health tooting 40k magicka with proxy det and batswarm or you gona get rekt son. Im still drinking sweet sweet vamp tears and getting like 10 rage tells today about how i suck and need to L2P. Sorry i cant hear u from all the way down there where ur lying dead.

Sorc dont get one-shot because sorcs have 18k shields vs magic/fire dmg which also prevents crits. Not because your build is centered around your weakness, just because sorcs have the ability to stack shields and prevent dmg that normally hurts vamps.

Ive played both my sorcs and NB as vamps in pvp and the difference couldnt any be bigger. On a sorc you barely notice the increased weakness to fire and fighters guild skills because you hardly get hit without shields up.

On a NB the increased weakness is very noticeable, most players are using Camo Hunter or Dawnbreaker so you get hit for extra dmg all the time. Not to mention the increased dmg of oils, fire ballista's and fire trebuchets which isnt mitigated by spell resist or CPs into Elemental Defender.

Cloak is a good way to reduce dmg but if someone uses Piercing Mark, a detect pot or Caltrops you're basically dead.

I don't have an 18k hardened ward lol. Thyre just over 10k. Unless I cast healing and then hardened ward in which case I'd have around 15k. Also I don't run 7/7 light like most papers do. I have 5/1/1. With 3 in impen. 50 points in crit resistant. I also don't run Julianos. I'm not gona list my whole build here cos it's mine but suffice to say I don't get 1 shot even if I let my hardened ward fall off. It does happen ya know. Like when I'm in a corner in ic digging thru my bag when some scumbag nb thinks he has me. When he dosent kill me straight and I start going for his ass they start dodge roll spam while shitting themselves mashing face on cloak. Running no impen just dosent work for me. One good cc and a single Wb your shields will be gone. And then u melt like butter. Stamina skills and things like shards hit for like 15 k. One hit after a single cc and ur whole crit immunity is gone. No shields on a sorc = dead sorc if ur running full damage build.

Some people here are whining about getting one shot while NOT even being vamps. That's what truly irks me. Really. If ur a vamp and get one shot it's totally understandable if ur running a cookie full dps build but if ur not a vamp and get one shot by camo it's a serious serious L2P issue.

Alcast

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Well, I know it is OP....but I do not understand how ppl always get instagibbed because I never really get instagibbed by it. As vamp well RIPerino tho.

you should Play your mag dk more, then you know how it feels.
i was running any possible way for protection, but let me say, there is such now way to protect yourself to gankers like you.

Reflective scales and problem is solved. Flap it every 4 seconds...if you do not then it is kinda your fault if you get ganked by a ranged ganker.

Tho Mag DK in general....just reroll please >.> It will not get fixed next patch....It will still be as *** as stamplar...

BuggeX

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Well, I know it is OP....but I do not understand how ppl always get instagibbed because I never really get instagibbed by it. As vamp well RIPerino tho.

you should Play your mag dk more, then you know how it feels.
i was running any possible way for protection, but let me say, there is such now way to protect yourself to gankers like you.

Reflective scales and problem is solved. Flap it every 4 seconds...if you do not then it is kinda your fault if you get ganked by a ranged ganker.

Tho Mag DK in general....just reroll please >.> It will not get fixed next patch....It will still be as *** as stamplar...

yea i want to run from brk to arrius without Expedition buff, you know, i dont have one, and flap my wings all 4 seconds...... and no i dont want to waste my expensive 700g pots just to have a Major Expedition buff.
and even then, it will not protect you from ambush/sa duo camo proc.

well stemplar atleast have heal and dmg xD

i will ragequit befor i have to reroll cuz zos isnt *** able to just make a Little *** buff, and not a *** crap with ********* dots

Alcast

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Well, I know it is OP....but I do not understand how ppl always get instagibbed because I never really get instagibbed by it. As vamp well RIPerino tho.

you should Play your mag dk more, then you know how it feels.
i was running any possible way for protection, but let me say, there is such now way to protect yourself to gankers like you.

Reflective scales and problem is solved. Flap it every 4 seconds...if you do not then it is kinda your fault if you get ganked by a ranged ganker.

Tho Mag DK in general....just reroll please >.> It will not get fixed next patch....It will still be as *** as stamplar...

yea i want to run from brk to arrius without Expedition buff, you know, i dont have one, and flap my wings all 4 seconds...... and no i dont want to waste my expensive 700g pots just to have a Major Expedition buff.
and even then, it will not protect you from ambush/sa duo camo proc.

well stemplar atleast have heal and dmg xD

i will ragequit befor i have to reroll cuz zos isnt *** able to just make a Little *** buff, and not a *** crap with ********* dots

Mag DK is fine for group pvp....but I mostly play solo...and mag DK is so *** useless to solo with....

Ye but if you play with ingame sound you hear sneaky NB buffing himself with camo and relentless focus so you pop a detect pot to *** him up.
Tho ye, NB is just *** op.....I have to literally NOTHING to reach 2,5k stam rec on my stam NB....comboed with 1,4k Magicka Rec...

BuggeX

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Well, I know it is OP....but I do not understand how ppl always get instagibbed because I never really get instagibbed by it. As vamp well RIPerino tho.

you should Play your mag dk more, then you know how it feels.
i was running any possible way for protection, but let me say, there is such now way to protect yourself to gankers like you.

Reflective scales and problem is solved. Flap it every 4 seconds...if you do not then it is kinda your fault if you get ganked by a ranged ganker.

Tho Mag DK in general....just reroll please >.> It will not get fixed next patch....It will still be as *** as stamplar...

yea i want to run from brk to arrius without Expedition buff, you know, i dont have one, and flap my wings all 4 seconds...... and no i dont want to waste my expensive 700g pots just to have a Major Expedition buff.
and even then, it will not protect you from ambush/sa duo camo proc.

well stemplar atleast have heal and dmg xD

i will ragequit befor i have to reroll cuz zos isnt *** able to just make a Little *** buff, and not a *** crap with ********* dots

Mag DK is fine for group pvp....but I mostly play solo...and mag DK is so *** useless to solo with....

Ye but if you play with ingame sound you hear sneaky NB buffing himself with camo and relentless focus so you pop a detect pot to *** him up.
Tho ye, NB is just *** op.....I have to literally NOTHING to reach 2,5k stam rec on my stam NB....comboed with 1,4k Magicka Rec...

i Play with ingame Sound, even with a 1.7 Headset, but most times the Sound on azuras just isnt present cause off lag.

Tower_Of_Shame

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

wath kinde of hax do you use to notice any sneaker out there in cyro?
is this a legal mod? i would use it.

sound, you hear them acitvating any skills if they are 10-20m close to you...then I use detect pot and usually RIP them up as they think I do not see them.

if this would just be accurate in azuras

I am not a vamp tho, so I do not get instagibbed by HA Bow DKs. as Vampire death is inevitable sometimes...but as nonvamp its def possible....

Mag Sorc and Mag NB vamps that QQ is not understandable at all. Keep up Shield or cloak and no problemo.
Mag DK more tricky but flap your wings or igneous shield 24/7

Usually it is just because people are too lazy to keep their buffs up. When I ride around Cyro I always keep Rally up in case some mofo tries to instagib me...so I get back at full HP instantly by reactivating Rally.

Hahhhhahhhhaaa^^

Yesterday I was getting sniped, spammed my flip flap fancy scales like a mofo still almost died, since scales is broken and I took at least 1-2 snipes throuhg the scales. GG

Septimus_Magna

Vangy wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1) sub 20k health unbuffed in cyro
2) 7/7 light armor
3) barely any impen gear ( everyone loves to stack 7/7 divines with some infused)
4) stack 40k magicka with 0 consideration for stam or health

What? you thought u could waltz around cyro as a glass cannon vamp and no one gona pawn u? Get 2 pieces heavy with some impen traits and 25k health unbuffed. Put lots of CP into crit and magic resistance. Stop running cookie cutter dps builds with vamp flavour. Design a build centred around stabilizing ur weaknesses. Yes that means stop doing things like wearing 5 julianos/2 torugs etc. There are other sets out there. Dont go around with barely 20k health tooting 40k magicka with proxy det and batswarm or you gona get rekt son. Im still drinking sweet sweet vamp tears and getting like 10 rage tells today about how i suck and need to L2P. Sorry i cant hear u from all the way down there where ur lying dead.

Sorc dont get one-shot because sorcs have 18k shields vs magic/fire dmg which also prevents crits. Not because your build is centered around your weakness, just because sorcs have the ability to stack shields and prevent dmg that normally hurts vamps.

Ive played both my sorcs and NB as vamps in pvp and the difference couldnt any be bigger. On a sorc you barely notice the increased weakness to fire and fighters guild skills because you hardly get hit without shields up.

On a NB the increased weakness is very noticeable, most players are using Camo Hunter or Dawnbreaker so you get hit for extra dmg all the time. Not to mention the increased dmg of oils, fire ballista's and fire trebuchets which isnt mitigated by spell resist or CPs into Elemental Defender.

Cloak is a good way to reduce dmg but if someone uses Piercing Mark, a detect pot or Caltrops you're basically dead.

I don't have an 18k hardened ward lol. Thyre just over 10k. Unless I cast healing and then hardened ward in which case I'd have around 15k. Also I don't run 7/7 light like most papers do. I have 5/1/1. With 3 in impen. 50 points in crit resistant. I also don't run Julianos. I'm not gona list my whole build here cos it's mine but suffice to say I don't get 1 shot even if I let my hardened ward fall off. It does happen ya know. Like when I'm in a corner in ic digging thru my bag when some scumbag nb thinks he has me. When he dosent kill me straight and I start going for his ass they start dodge roll spam while shitting themselves mashing face on cloak. Running no impen just dosent work for me. One good cc and a single Wb your shields will be gone. And then u melt like butter. Stamina skills and things like shards hit for like 15 k. One hit after a single cc and ur whole crit immunity is gone. No shields on a sorc = dead sorc if ur running full damage build.

Some people here are whining about getting one shot while NOT even being vamps. That's what truly irks me. Really. If ur a vamp and get one shot it's totally understandable if ur running a cookie full dps build but if ur not a vamp and get one shot by camo it's a serious serious L2P issue.

The 18k shield value was based off stacking Harness and Hardened Ward, without regarding Healing Ward.

In my opinion it makes no sense not to stack Harness with Hardened Ward if you're a vamp sorc, you're more vulnerable to fire and magic dmg (from Fighters Guild skills) so Harness is very useful. And it also helps with magicka sustain.

I think most sorcs (at least the ones I know) are using 5/1/1 because they get 6% more stats, which in turn increases max magicka and the shield value. This choice to pick 1x HA and 1x MA isnt made for the increased armor rating.

A few Impen pieces is certainly useful for when your shields get bursted down but this isnt something you can rely on as defense, its only use is to buy you more time to recast shields.

Alcast

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Well, I know it is OP....but I do not understand how ppl always get instagibbed because I never really get instagibbed by it. As vamp well RIPerino tho.

you should Play your mag dk more, then you know how it feels.
i was running any possible way for protection, but let me say, there is such now way to protect yourself to gankers like you.

Reflective scales and problem is solved. Flap it every 4 seconds...if you do not then it is kinda your fault if you get ganked by a ranged ganker.

Tho Mag DK in general....just reroll please >.> It will not get fixed next patch....It will still be as *** as stamplar...

yea i want to run from brk to arrius without Expedition buff, you know, i dont have one, and flap my wings all 4 seconds...... and no i dont want to waste my expensive 700g pots just to have a Major Expedition buff.
and even then, it will not protect you from ambush/sa duo camo proc.

well stemplar atleast have heal and dmg xD

i will ragequit befor i have to reroll cuz zos isnt *** able to just make a Little *** buff, and not a *** crap with ********* dots

Mag DK is fine for group pvp....but I mostly play solo...and mag DK is so *** useless to solo with....

Ye but if you play with ingame sound you hear sneaky NB buffing himself with camo and relentless focus so you pop a detect pot to *** him up.
Tho ye, NB is just *** op.....I have to literally NOTHING to reach 2,5k stam rec on my stam NB....comboed with 1,4k Magicka Rec...

i Play with ingame Sound, even with a 1.7 Headset, but most times the Sound on azuras just isnt present cause off lag.

Do not play on Azura after 5 Pm >.>. I still do not understand why people play in that lag and then complain why they get wrecked.
Usually morning till 5pm > Azura
5pm-8pm > Trueflame
Then log out bc *** YOU LAG
I feel like a refugee running from lag
In the lag my Heavy attacks do not even bother to register in 80% of the cases >:>

BuggeX

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Well, I know it is OP....but I do not understand how ppl always get instagibbed because I never really get instagibbed by it. As vamp well RIPerino tho.

you should Play your mag dk more, then you know how it feels.
i was running any possible way for protection, but let me say, there is such now way to protect yourself to gankers like you.

Reflective scales and problem is solved. Flap it every 4 seconds...if you do not then it is kinda your fault if you get ganked by a ranged ganker.

Tho Mag DK in general....just reroll please >.> It will not get fixed next patch....It will still be as *** as stamplar...

yea i want to run from brk to arrius without Expedition buff, you know, i dont have one, and flap my wings all 4 seconds...... and no i dont want to waste my expensive 700g pots just to have a Major Expedition buff.
and even then, it will not protect you from ambush/sa duo camo proc.

well stemplar atleast have heal and dmg xD

i will ragequit befor i have to reroll cuz zos isnt *** able to just make a Little *** buff, and not a *** crap with ********* dots

Mag DK is fine for group pvp....but I mostly play solo...and mag DK is so *** useless to solo with....

Ye but if you play with ingame sound you hear sneaky NB buffing himself with camo and relentless focus so you pop a detect pot to *** him up.
Tho ye, NB is just *** op.....I have to literally NOTHING to reach 2,5k stam rec on my stam NB....comboed with 1,4k Magicka Rec...

i Play with ingame Sound, even with a 1.7 Headset, but most times the Sound on azuras just isnt present cause off lag.

Do not play on Azura after 5 Pm >.>. I still do not understand why people play in that lag and then complain why they get wrecked.
Usually morning till 5pm > Azura
5pm-8pm > Trueflame
Then log out bc *** YOU LAG
I feel like a refugee running from lag
In the lag my Heavy attacks do not even bother to register in 80% of the cases >:>

well Azuras is the only camp where you can Play solo without beeing a NB or Sorc

Cinnamon_Spider

I don't even care anymore. I cured vamp on my Templar today and I guess I'll just have to join a ball group with her tomorrow. The solution to everything.

Alcast

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Well, I know it is OP....but I do not understand how ppl always get instagibbed because I never really get instagibbed by it. As vamp well RIPerino tho.

you should Play your mag dk more, then you know how it feels.
i was running any possible way for protection, but let me say, there is such now way to protect yourself to gankers like you.

Reflective scales and problem is solved. Flap it every 4 seconds...if you do not then it is kinda your fault if you get ganked by a ranged ganker.

Tho Mag DK in general....just reroll please >.> It will not get fixed next patch....It will still be as *** as stamplar...

yea i want to run from brk to arrius without Expedition buff, you know, i dont have one, and flap my wings all 4 seconds...... and no i dont want to waste my expensive 700g pots just to have a Major Expedition buff.
and even then, it will not protect you from ambush/sa duo camo proc.

well stemplar atleast have heal and dmg xD

i will ragequit befor i have to reroll cuz zos isnt *** able to just make a Little *** buff, and not a *** crap with ********* dots

Mag DK is fine for group pvp....but I mostly play solo...and mag DK is so *** useless to solo with....

Ye but if you play with ingame sound you hear sneaky NB buffing himself with camo and relentless focus so you pop a detect pot to *** him up.
Tho ye, NB is just *** op.....I have to literally NOTHING to reach 2,5k stam rec on my stam NB....comboed with 1,4k Magicka Rec...

i Play with ingame Sound, even with a 1.7 Headset, but most times the Sound on azuras just isnt present cause off lag.

Do not play on Azura after 5 Pm >.>. I still do not understand why people play in that lag and then complain why they get wrecked.
Usually morning till 5pm > Azura
5pm-8pm > Trueflame
Then log out bc *** YOU LAG
I feel like a refugee running from lag
In the lag my Heavy attacks do not even bother to register in 80% of the cases >:>

well Azuras is the only camp where you can Play solo without beeing a NB or Sorc

It is hard on all the *** campaigns to play solo.
Yes, NB and Sorc still "better" for solo.

But mostly you get steamrolled by 5+ ppl and then RIPerino anyway. And Playing magicka DK does not make things easier tbh. What race is your DK?

And ye, if enemies have 1 decent built Healer...you have no chance of winning with any class....50% dmg mitigation is just ***.

BuggeX

imperial xD

i know i could rereoll on Stamina or somthing else, but im to lazy.
wasted to much Gold and mats for all my testings on magicka.....

and Stamina gameplay is boring as ***

DHale

I happy to say Camo hits as hard as ever and did more damage than the wrecking blow it was on. No I am not a vamp.

Xeniph

DHale wrote: »

I happy to say Camo hits as hard as ever and did more damage than the wrecking blow it was on. No I am not a vamp.

Then maybe you should balance your defenses a bit more. If Camo hunter is hitting you harder than a wrecking blow, you need more magic resists.

On any of my non-vamps I never see a camo hunter over 4-5k

Vangy

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

This change did nothing to save vamps lol. My sorc is a vamp and she dosent get 1 hit. But most people do. Why? cos;

1) sub 20k health unbuffed in cyro
2) 7/7 light armor
3) barely any impen gear ( everyone loves to stack 7/7 divines with some infused)
4) stack 40k magicka with 0 consideration for stam or health

What? you thought u could waltz around cyro as a glass cannon vamp and no one gona pawn u? Get 2 pieces heavy with some impen traits and 25k health unbuffed. Put lots of CP into crit and magic resistance. Stop running cookie cutter dps builds with vamp flavour. Design a build centred around stabilizing ur weaknesses. Yes that means stop doing things like wearing 5 julianos/2 torugs etc. There are other sets out there. Dont go around with barely 20k health tooting 40k magicka with proxy det and batswarm or you gona get rekt son. Im still drinking sweet sweet vamp tears and getting like 10 rage tells today about how i suck and need to L2P. Sorry i cant hear u from all the way down there where ur lying dead.

Sorc dont get one-shot because sorcs have 18k shields vs magic/fire dmg which also prevents crits. Not because your build is centered around your weakness, just because sorcs have the ability to stack shields and prevent dmg that normally hurts vamps.

Ive played both my sorcs and NB as vamps in pvp and the difference couldnt any be bigger. On a sorc you barely notice the increased weakness to fire and fighters guild skills because you hardly get hit without shields up.

On a NB the increased weakness is very noticeable, most players are using Camo Hunter or Dawnbreaker so you get hit for extra dmg all the time. Not to mention the increased dmg of oils, fire ballista's and fire trebuchets which isnt mitigated by spell resist or CPs into Elemental Defender.

Cloak is a good way to reduce dmg but if someone uses Piercing Mark, a detect pot or Caltrops you're basically dead.

I don't have an 18k hardened ward lol. Thyre just over 10k. Unless I cast healing and then hardened ward in which case I'd have around 15k. Also I don't run 7/7 light like most papers do. I have 5/1/1. With 3 in impen. 50 points in crit resistant. I also don't run Julianos. I'm not gona list my whole build here cos it's mine but suffice to say I don't get 1 shot even if I let my hardened ward fall off. It does happen ya know. Like when I'm in a corner in ic digging thru my bag when some scumbag nb thinks he has me. When he dosent kill me straight and I start going for his ass they start dodge roll spam while shitting themselves mashing face on cloak. Running no impen just dosent work for me. One good cc and a single Wb your shields will be gone. And then u melt like butter. Stamina skills and things like shards hit for like 15 k. One hit after a single cc and ur whole crit immunity is gone. No shields on a sorc = dead sorc if ur running full damage build.

Some people here are whining about getting one shot while NOT even being vamps. That's what truly irks me. Really. If ur a vamp and get one shot it's totally understandable if ur running a cookie full dps build but if ur not a vamp and get one shot by camo it's a serious serious L2P issue.

The 18k shield value was based off stacking Harness and Hardened Ward, without regarding Healing Ward.

In my opinion it makes no sense not to stack Harness with Hardened Ward if you're a vamp sorc, you're more vulnerable to fire and magic dmg (from Fighters Guild skills) so Harness is very useful. And it also helps with magicka sustain.

I think most sorcs (at least the ones I know) are using 5/1/1 because they get 6% more stats, which in turn increases max magicka and the shield value. This choice to pick 1x HA and 1x MA isnt made for the increased armor rating.

A few Impen pieces is certainly useful for when your shields get bursted down but this isnt something you can rely on as defense, its only use is to buy you more time to recast shields.

Oh harness of course makes magicka vs magicka unbearably Long. The only reason I use impen is for when I'm up against stamina classes. Especially pesky nbs. And some of those talons>Wb>leap dks. Those impen pieces reduce just enough damage to save you from a combo wombo ko. Buys enough time to get some distance and heal up with ward.

Lord-Otto

Well, the suggested solution here is to basically turn your magicka DK into a tank to survive Camo Hunter... Which is ridiculous, as vampires make very bad tanks.
I fail to see why my dps vampire magicka DK can be oneshotted because she's a vampire and therefore it's justified, while I - bearing such a weakness - can't do the same to other players. That's quite the double moral here.

Lava_Croft

Stop making this skill proc on people who are not a Vampire or Werewolf.

Really.