My dual wield heavy attack with camo hunter proc has done over 35k Damage before, so the situation @Cinnamon_Spider describes is plausible.

cdobratz wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

The fire is you being a vamp without considering the consequences and adjusting your build appropriately. Yes a stamina vamp is weak, so is a pure bow build with no Major brutality buff, so is a pure light armor build with no defenses, some builds just are not good. You are running a vamp/stam/sorc.....you just don't look at class build? Or do you just want things stacked against you as much as possible? Or did you build your whole build around doing massive AOE damage without considering the draw backs?

As to being in stealth anywhere, its almost like your in a war or something....

The draw backs for a vampire should be the increased fire damage, the reduced health recovery, and a slightly larger damage received against me for those using camo hunter. You act like you are the only one who thinks about builds, which is as sad as it is narcissistic. My build is 5 hundings rage, 3 agility, 4 ashen grip or kena/bloodspawn with maelstrom weapons, with 5 medium and 2 heavy (for the resistance) and here's the kicker: vampire to make up for the loss of stam regen for using 2 heavy instead of all medium.

The problem is not people being in stealth or ganking, the problem is that an ability is far too effective. Something is not balanced when you cannot react to it. When I get wrecking blow'd, I realize that I did not dodge roll through them or block to prevent getting stunned. With camo hunter you hide and kill someone in a second, there is no reaction. Considering that you spent that post insulting my intelligence instead of offering any insight, maybe your "fire" is posting on the forums without thinking.

You continue to ignore balance and counters to push forth your agenda over one skill, I do not only play 1 character and I only use Camo hunter on 1 character. I have described both how the ability works and why it does not "one shot" every Vampire but only those who do not push for hard counters to it. Your gear set as you have given is for burst but you are upset that you left one glaring weakness are are being bursted down? Using Vampirism for the stam regen while ignoring the negatives is just idiotic, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. Vampirism is a massive buff from passives and ultimate, it needs draw backs and it has them. If you don't want to slot Radiant Magelight or be near someone who is, or use more heavy armor+health as a stamina then you will be blatantly weak to one skill and other players who set up classes to burst and happen to use that skill will occasionally "one shot" you.

This is exactly the scenario I described with the fire, you want to get the stamina passive but not take counters for the massive damage from vamp countering abilities. If you run all light armor and no health or absorbs you also can be left with no reaction time and it has nothing to do with being a vamp. Vampirism is as OP as Camo Hunter when played right and a group of 3-4 Vamps will wipe 30+ zergs. Camo Hunter is strong counter to Vamps but it only works from stealth and can be hard countered with Radiant Magelight.

Sorc has some very unique and powerful abilities but has no direct damage stamina morphs, yet you choose to run a stamina Sorc, which is fine in and of itself. However Vamp has some unique and powerful abilites yet has a glaring weakness that is nullified by one magicka focused buff, yet you choose to run Vamp as a stamina, and not just a stamina build a stamina Sorc. This makes you very very powerful in certain situations(aoe) and should justly make you very weak in others. If you simply ran with 1 lets say Magicka NB using Magelight, or magicka Templar using magelight you would wreck shop as they would nullify your greatest weakness. But no, you want your cake and you want to eat it as well, you want the massive AOE damage capabilities and the stam regen with the bonus of having extra defensives from 2 heavy and you want to not face the repercussions of being a vamp.

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Part of learning to play the game is learning where your strong points and weakness' are, learning where other players strong points and weakness' are and learning to exploit their weakness' and counter their strengths. Magelight is not the only counter to "one shot" builds but it is the only hard counter and it works. If you build yourself like a glass cannon and ignore blatant weakness' you will always run the chance of being "one shot". Vampire's are a bit to strong in AOE situations, and Fighter's guild abilities are a bit to strong against vamps. The ability to "one shot" vamps that are being careless with both their build and their positioning in combat is not breaking the game or combat. No one is running around Cyrodiil single target ganking to death entire groups of players. "one shot" builds rely on stealth and waiting for the opportune moment when a player puts themselves in a bad position away from team mates, without defensives or skills that would hard counter stealth openers.

Complaining about Camo hunter when there are several counter's and one hard counter is kind of like standing in Fire on a boss fight and complaining that the Fire burns you too much without using skills you don't want to or moving out of the fire.

And if it is none of those things you mentioned? What then? 30k health is not a glass cannon.

30k health is not sufficient for the top burst builds if you don't do anything to reduce incoming damage.

LOL!

You honestly believe that 30k health is glass cannon? You opinion on everything is considered null and void.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

BigTone wrote: »

My dual wield heavy attack with camo hunter proc has done over 35k Damage before, so the situation @Cinnamon_Spider describes is plausible.

I have also seen similar damage on my Bow DK build but not against anyone running magelight, and certainly not against anyone running 5 heavy, I see that damage mostly against full medium or full light builds.

Bow dk so your pretty much one of those dk 1 hit gankers, well that clears things up. Protecting your ap farm.

Whatever makes you feel better...Yes I do have a particular character that runs a bullseye build...I will continue to blow up noobs like you while drinking your sweet tears.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

BigTone wrote: »

My dual wield heavy attack with camo hunter proc has done over 35k Damage before, so the situation @Cinnamon_Spider describes is plausible.

I have also seen similar damage on my Bow DK build but not against anyone running magelight, and certainly not against anyone running 5 heavy, I see that damage mostly against full medium or full light builds.

Bow dk so your pretty much one of those dk 1 hit gankers, well that clears things up. Protecting your ap farm.

Whatever makes you feel better...Yes I do have a particular character that runs a bullseye build...I will continue to blow up noobs like you while drinking your sweet tears.

I'm not a vamp, i'll happily reflect your crappy gank arrows then laugh when you run around when your actually forced to fight and don't know how. Ty for ap.

I'm sure you will keep reflect up 24/7 mhmm, I know how to fight but there is no reason not to take free kills when people make bad choices. Your congruence about Camo Hunter makes me seriously doubt your "skills".

It's not that came hunter is bugged but imo the "special proc" from stealth on vamps/ww should also have a cooldown just like the normal 15 percent chance procs so that it doesn't proc twice in 1 second. What makes this skill op is that if you animation cancel from stealth under 0.5 seconds I believe you will receive the stealth bonus for whatever skills you hit on a player within that time frame, THAT is the problem with ganking in general. This has to get fixed in fast because it is so ridiculous how this is allowed in an mmo, killing someone in under 2 seconds should not be in a mmo that is just a horrible design. I really do not know how people can defend such a cheesy and a play style that requires 0 skill.

Laggus wrote: »

BigTone wrote: »

My dual wield heavy attack with camo hunter proc has done over 35k Damage before, so the situation @Cinnamon_Spider describes is plausible.

I fell of the bottom step in a keep recently and had 58k fall damage! Nerf fall damage.. then talk to ZOS about fixing the once in a blue fart time you manage to do a 35K combo.

My average fart time is about 4 seconds, but I'm not sure where that fits into this conversation.

BigTone wrote: »

Laggus wrote: »

BigTone wrote: »

My dual wield heavy attack with camo hunter proc has done over 35k Damage before, so the situation @Cinnamon_Spider describes is plausible.

I fell of the bottom step in a keep recently and had 58k fall damage! Nerf fall damage.. then talk to ZOS about fixing the once in a blue fart time you manage to do a 35K combo.

My average fart time is about 4 seconds, but I'm not sure where that fits into this conversation.

It should have been the op without all the other garbage listed.

Conversation would have been far more productive than "my vamp has vulnerability besides 25% fire damage, and having to feed before pvp. There should be NO consequences for having a vampire build that grants ridiculously awesome bonuses!"

.....see, the 4 second fart makes for much better talk.

Imdrefan wrote: »

It's quite clear everyone defending the multi camo proc are taking full advantage of this unintended mechanic and are distracting from the issue at hand with " you need to l2p and here are the counters" @Cinnamon_Spider doesn't need your advice, if you mentioned it, she has already thought about it.

If multiple shots are fired from stealth you get the camo hunter proc multiple times and everything lands at once -This is an unintended bug, I don't care how good you think you are.

ZOS has stated will be fixed in the upcoming patch.

It is not about being good its about understanding the game and mechanics. The only double proc possible right now is with dual wield heavy attack from stealth or forceful passive and it is a rare bug not something that happens consistently. The initial investigation by ZOS said it was working as intended it was upon deeper investigation that they found the bug but it is not something that happens consistently. Also it only works with dual wield heavy attacks from stealth so does not change anything in relation to the DK bow heavy attack build.

Just because someone has been on the forums for a while does not make them right, and they are just as able to fall under a misconception about an ability. Even more so when they choose not to use hard counters, saying something is over powered while choosing not to use counters is in the words of my dear friends "noobtastic". It is like claiming the OPness of WB while refusing to use stuns, roll dodge, pots or anything to counter it other than your own health.

My DK does not need you to be a vamp to "one shot" you although it certainly helps. I could just as easily claimed "dots are too powerful and take my NB out of cloak unless I take that one morph and that's just really unfair cause I don't want to take that one morph, or use purge or do anything to counter them I just want to keep doing what I've always done and still win.

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

@BuggeX

you say you've never seen a 1 hit from this so called camo hunter. well let me burst ur bubble. my gear on my DK puts me at 32k HP in cyro. I'm not a vamp or a WW, with my 2 shields up, ive been 1 shot multiple times by the prick from DC that I wont name cuz zos Rachel will prolly ban my account again. any who you don't need to be in stealth to proc it 3x. players are proc'ing it with silver shards/silver leash or what ever the hell its called, camo hunter, and heavy attacks. that's from a DK prick from DC. who hits for those skills all at once for proc at 70-80k dmg on vamps, non vamps proc'ing for 40-50+

now as for the 10% chance for proc'ing on non vamps/ww I will say it procs for prolly 80% not no stinking 10%

I find this very very very hard to believe. But humoring u, are u v16? If yes what armor pieces are u running and with what traits? How many cp do u have? Because my dk has 26k hp with 5m/1h/1l with 50/50 into magic damage reduction and crit damage reduction and I've been hit multiple times by invis camo hunter snipe/ss or heavy Attack/ss combo and I've never died. Yes it takes me down to execute range at which point I pop scales and a pot while following up with igneous and vigor. Then beat down that noob who tried to kill me. Because those builds have 0 sustain. And I mean 0. They just stack max stamina with max weapon power with barely 500 regen.

Tankqull wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

terrasight wrote: »

Oh please...everyone can do AC... so it's nothing special, but it's great if used right. And yes this is the pvp area, but often i miss the thoughts about the consequenzes for pve...

ofc all can do it, but AC is by far more effective when done with a Stamina build, since la doesx3 as mutch dmg as magicka builds do. but that was not was i mean.
you can do 3 attacks at once from stealth, this will poc 3 times the camo hunter, thats the whole Problem about it.

nope this will make it proc two times max. as both hunter morph normal procs have a ~1sec lockout timer so its two nothing more.
and that is actually the purpose of that skill, have an additional granted proc on your first attack from stealth.
if you do not like it don´t be a vamp.

BuggeX wrote: »

i Count 3 times, and you? i wasnt even Vamp at this time.

you can even see which attack was a crit, right above the crit is allways the resishit


and btw, this was not during Primetime, so i didnt got 1000000ms

and another btw, you can notice than im anything else than a squshy mage and shouldn flame onehits, heavy crits or sa crit did just 6k dmg

well, i have to aplogize thats sth i have never observerd on either side the recieving or delivering end.
and i do agree that needs to be fixed.

Vangy wrote: »

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

@BuggeX

you say you've never seen a 1 hit from this so called camo hunter. well let me burst ur bubble. my gear on my DK puts me at 32k HP in cyro. I'm not a vamp or a WW, with my 2 shields up, ive been 1 shot multiple times by the prick from DC that I wont name cuz zos Rachel will prolly ban my account again. any who you don't need to be in stealth to proc it 3x. players are proc'ing it with silver shards/silver leash or what ever the hell its called, camo hunter, and heavy attacks. that's from a DK prick from DC. who hits for those skills all at once for proc at 70-80k dmg on vamps, non vamps proc'ing for 40-50+

now as for the 10% chance for proc'ing on non vamps/ww I will say it procs for prolly 80% not no stinking 10%

I find this very very very hard to believe. But humoring u, are u v16? If yes what armor pieces are u running and with what traits? How many cp do u have? Because my dk has 26k hp with 5m/1h/1l with 50/50 into magic damage reduction and crit damage reduction and I've been hit multiple times by invis camo hunter snipe/ss or heavy Attack/ss combo and I've never died. Yes it takes me down to execute range at which point I pop scales and a pot while following up with igneous and vigor. Then beat down that noob who tried to kill me. Because those builds have 0 sustain. And I mean 0. They just stack max stamina with max weapon power with barely 500 regen.

This is very true for the most part, I've pulled off my weapon damage a bit trying to improve my sustain but still have enough burst for kills. Some don't seem to realize that you don't need Camo Hunter to do 18-20k from stealth on a DK, and combining that with a 11-12k dragon leap will drop most without them being able to react. As far as ganking goes the Bosmer and Khajiit racials are too beneficial for ganking and it only makes sense to design builds around maximizing your passive potential.

Players running racials and passives that do not benefit attacking from stealth and complain and want everyone else to stand in the open and fight them which only plays to their benefit since they did not take the stealth bonus passives. For instance ZOS had to do multiple searches to find a bug on Camo Hunter because the first came up empty and they find a bug in very specific scenario's yet players still think that all Camo Hunter proc's are bugged. Simply because they ignored hard counters to stealth gankers and want other players to play their play style.

With the state of healing and breath of life being able to virtually top you off instantly "one shot" builds are in no way imbalanced. If you could not so quickly bring yourself back up and reset I'd be find with not being able to "one shot" people as you could still get kills without having to have a bigger group or be in the top 1% of performers.

"OMFG i got oneshot ?!?!?!?!?, please ZOS, nerf it or make it disappear because I do not want to l2p" and
"I want to run a OP Vamp build but I do not want any negative effects, so plix plox nerf Camo hunter again"

People sound like the guys that QQ about shieldbreaker 24/7.

If you run around with LA/MA with 22khp and less > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are a vampire and you think you can run cookie cutter build, then well if you get oneshot > your own fault if you get rekt
If you are running a HA build 30k HP+ and get oneshot, then you are doing smth wrong.

Why do ppl always think they can run cookie cutter builds without any sideeffects? jeez

camohunter has 2 things.
Normal Proc > 2.5s Cooldown
Sneak Proc > 0 cooldown, no clue why, tho I guess ZOS forgot to add the cooldown.

The reason why you get multiple sneak procs is because SNEAK MECHANIC is ***, all hits that land in 0.49s count as sneak attack.

And apparently, in very rare cases the normal proc can proc twice in a row? Never seen that tho iirc.