Camo Hunter - Fix it already!

BuggeX · December 2015

thats the Problem with camo hunter

btw, wath i dont understand, mby recount is just bugged or is caused of the lag.

but why on *** earth, does resilient procs before the crit, and camo hunter before the hit wich should broke it. @ZOS_BrianWheeler does you use some kinde of reverse calculation to check some *** and cause the lag?

Sharakor · December 2015

Alucardo wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

Stam NB's with focused aim + WB and stam DK's with WB + take flight can get similar if not higher DPS with the right combo.

Them abilities take time to cast. What the OP is complaining about is high burst damage (usually from stealth) with no time to react at all.

That damage is done within a 2 second time frame. Now assuming you're not on a horse and have no buffs and you get 1 shotted then that's your own fault. I ran a vamp hunter build for a while and noticed its the noobs who are easy kills. People who actually tried to survive those 1 shots managed to do so instead of crying on forums. You can't 1 shot someone with wards, resistance wards, magelight and so on. And again, he's complaining that it's "broken", as if it were some sort of bug or weakness open to exploit, I'll have everyone know that these skills are working exactly as intended so cry2play players should rephrase their threads as such.

Cinnamon_Spider · December 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

imredneckson wrote: »

How are they going to fix camo hunter again so that it suits you? Do you want the skill to be removed or to reduce the damage to the point its not worth having on anyone's bar? Granted I use camo hunter and animation cancel and I one shot people multiple times a day but I have also been one shotted a number of times since I am a vamp on most of my toons. I don't mind camo hunter and laugh when I get one shotted I even whisper a few of them telling them nice kill. I don't think camo hunter is bugged I think it hits like a truck when combined with a number of other attacks and buffs.

Fix it so it suits me? All they need to do is not make it proc multiple times on one hit. The damage reduction from battle spirit was supposed to address this kind of cheese, but it doesn't.

With blue food, I have 30k health on my Templar. I also have CP to reduce critical damage along with wearing impen gear, but none of that matters when you're hit by someone using this skill from stealth.

Camo Hunter doesnt Crit 100% from stealth, so it is not reduced by crit reducing, its a magick dmg, so better spend in this.
Camo Hunter has a high base DMG from 6-8k, 10-12k crit for Vamps.
yet the Problem is that you are able to do 3 attacks out of stealth wich proc camo hunter.

its atleast x3 6k dmg in less than a seccond + stun cause of stealth

I also have CP into magic damage reduction and I keep Channeled Focus up 100% of the time.

Cinnamon_Spider · December 2015

Sharakor wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

Stam NB's with focused aim + WB and stam DK's with WB + take flight can get similar if not higher DPS with the right combo.

Them abilities take time to cast. What the OP is complaining about is high burst damage (usually from stealth) with no time to react at all.

That damage is done within a 2 second time frame. Now assuming you're not on a horse and have no buffs and you get 1 shotted then that's your own fault. I ran a vamp hunter build for a while and noticed its the noobs who are easy kills. People who actually tried to survive those 1 shots managed to do so instead of crying on forums. You can't 1 shot someone with wards, resistance wards, magelight and so on. And again, he's complaining that it's "broken", as if it were some sort of bug or weakness open to exploit, I'll have everyone know that these skills are working exactly as intended so cry2play players should rephrase their threads as such.

The only one that should rephrase their comment is you. Camo is obviously not working as intended if it can do that much damage along with one attack in a shorter period of time than it is humanly possible to react. That is my problem. Each time I've been one shot by it, I've gone from full health to dead in a second. My reaction times are not an issue.

Again, I have crit reduction cp and impen because of all the stealth garbage, Channeled Focus is up 100% of the time, cp into magic damage reduction, and 30k health.

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

Stam NB's with focused aim + WB and stam DK's with WB + take flight can get similar if not higher DPS with the right combo.

Them abilities take time to cast. What the OP is complaining about is high burst damage (usually from stealth) with no time to react at all.

That damage is done within a 2 second time frame. Now assuming you're not on a horse and have no buffs and you get 1 shotted then that's your own fault. I ran a vamp hunter build for a while and noticed its the noobs who are easy kills. People who actually tried to survive those 1 shots managed to do so instead of crying on forums. You can't 1 shot someone with wards, resistance wards, magelight and so on. And again, he's complaining that it's "broken", as if it were some sort of bug or weakness open to exploit, I'll have everyone know that these skills are working exactly as intended so cry2play players should rephrase their threads as such.

The only one that should rephrase their comment is you. Camo is obviously not working as intended if it can do that much damage along with one attack in a shorter period of time than it is humanly possible to react. That is my problem. Each time I've been one shot by it, I've gone from full health to dead in a second. My reaction times are not an issue.

Again, I have crit reduction cp and impen because of all the stealth garbage, Channeled Focus is up 100% of the time, cp into magic damage reduction, and 30k health.

Theres no point the gankers need their 1 hit exploits, if it's actually fixed they'll actually be forced to pvp and fight people where they will get rekt.

Toc de Malsvi · December 2015

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

Stam NB's with focused aim + WB and stam DK's with WB + take flight can get similar if not higher DPS with the right combo.

Them abilities take time to cast. What the OP is complaining about is high burst damage (usually from stealth) with no time to react at all.

That damage is done within a 2 second time frame. Now assuming you're not on a horse and have no buffs and you get 1 shotted then that's your own fault. I ran a vamp hunter build for a while and noticed its the noobs who are easy kills. People who actually tried to survive those 1 shots managed to do so instead of crying on forums. You can't 1 shot someone with wards, resistance wards, magelight and so on. And again, he's complaining that it's "broken", as if it were some sort of bug or weakness open to exploit, I'll have everyone know that these skills are working exactly as intended so cry2play players should rephrase their threads as such.

The only one that should rephrase their comment is you. Camo is obviously not working as intended if it can do that much damage along with one attack in a shorter period of time than it is humanly possible to react. That is my problem. Each time I've been one shot by it, I've gone from full health to dead in a second. My reaction times are not an issue.

Again, I have crit reduction cp and impen because of all the stealth garbage, Channeled Focus is up 100% of the time, cp into magic damage reduction, and 30k health.

First off you are either deluding yourself or claiming buff's you don't actually have up. Secondly you are not running the #1 defense against stealth gankers, an ability that would eliminate the need for all the CP into magic damage reduction, eliminate the need for 30k hps, eliminate the need to have a shield up constantly. RADIANT MAGELIGHT 1 ability completely counters the 1 shot builds....like I said you don't want to actually counter someone who is owning you, you want to keep doing what you've always done and you want ZOS to nerf someone else's build so they can't kill you.

Cinnamon_Spider · December 2015

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

Stam NB's with focused aim + WB and stam DK's with WB + take flight can get similar if not higher DPS with the right combo.

Them abilities take time to cast. What the OP is complaining about is high burst damage (usually from stealth) with no time to react at all.

That damage is done within a 2 second time frame. Now assuming you're not on a horse and have no buffs and you get 1 shotted then that's your own fault. I ran a vamp hunter build for a while and noticed its the noobs who are easy kills. People who actually tried to survive those 1 shots managed to do so instead of crying on forums. You can't 1 shot someone with wards, resistance wards, magelight and so on. And again, he's complaining that it's "broken", as if it were some sort of bug or weakness open to exploit, I'll have everyone know that these skills are working exactly as intended so cry2play players should rephrase their threads as such.

The only one that should rephrase their comment is you. Camo is obviously not working as intended if it can do that much damage along with one attack in a shorter period of time than it is humanly possible to react. That is my problem. Each time I've been one shot by it, I've gone from full health to dead in a second. My reaction times are not an issue.

Again, I have crit reduction cp and impen because of all the stealth garbage, Channeled Focus is up 100% of the time, cp into magic damage reduction, and 30k health.

First off you are either deluding yourself or claiming buff's you don't actually have up. Secondly you are not running the #1 defense against stealth gankers, an ability that would eliminate the need for all the CP into magic damage reduction, eliminate the need for 30k hps, eliminate the need to have a shield up constantly. RADIANT MAGELIGHT 1 ability completely counters the 1 shot builds....like I said you don't want to actually counter someone who is owning you, you want to keep doing what you've always done and you want ZOS to nerf someone else's build so they can't kill you.

Deluding myself? It is an 8 second buff. I have a timer on my screen that shows it counting down and then I recast it. I keep it up 100% of the time in and out of combat. It isn't that difficult.

And no, I will not use Radiant Magelight. It's a waste of two slots. My problem is not with gankers. My problem is with a skill that is broken and did not do this kind of damage until one of the recent patches.

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

Stam NB's with focused aim + WB and stam DK's with WB + take flight can get similar if not higher DPS with the right combo.

Them abilities take time to cast. What the OP is complaining about is high burst damage (usually from stealth) with no time to react at all.

That damage is done within a 2 second time frame. Now assuming you're not on a horse and have no buffs and you get 1 shotted then that's your own fault. I ran a vamp hunter build for a while and noticed its the noobs who are easy kills. People who actually tried to survive those 1 shots managed to do so instead of crying on forums. You can't 1 shot someone with wards, resistance wards, magelight and so on. And again, he's complaining that it's "broken", as if it were some sort of bug or weakness open to exploit, I'll have everyone know that these skills are working exactly as intended so cry2play players should rephrase their threads as such.

The only one that should rephrase their comment is you. Camo is obviously not working as intended if it can do that much damage along with one attack in a shorter period of time than it is humanly possible to react. That is my problem. Each time I've been one shot by it, I've gone from full health to dead in a second. My reaction times are not an issue.

Again, I have crit reduction cp and impen because of all the stealth garbage, Channeled Focus is up 100% of the time, cp into magic damage reduction, and 30k health.

First off you are either deluding yourself or claiming buff's you don't actually have up. Secondly you are not running the #1 defense against stealth gankers, an ability that would eliminate the need for all the CP into magic damage reduction, eliminate the need for 30k hps, eliminate the need to have a shield up constantly. RADIANT MAGELIGHT 1 ability completely counters the 1 shot builds....like I said you don't want to actually counter someone who is owning you, you want to keep doing what you've always done and you want ZOS to nerf someone else's build so they can't kill you.

So in order to not be 1 hit expoited people are forced to give up 2 of their 10 skill slots? EVen if they are a stamina build?

Nah, just fix it.

Toc de Malsvi · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

Stam NB's with focused aim + WB and stam DK's with WB + take flight can get similar if not higher DPS with the right combo.

Them abilities take time to cast. What the OP is complaining about is high burst damage (usually from stealth) with no time to react at all.

That damage is done within a 2 second time frame. Now assuming you're not on a horse and have no buffs and you get 1 shotted then that's your own fault. I ran a vamp hunter build for a while and noticed its the noobs who are easy kills. People who actually tried to survive those 1 shots managed to do so instead of crying on forums. You can't 1 shot someone with wards, resistance wards, magelight and so on. And again, he's complaining that it's "broken", as if it were some sort of bug or weakness open to exploit, I'll have everyone know that these skills are working exactly as intended so cry2play players should rephrase their threads as such.

The only one that should rephrase their comment is you. Camo is obviously not working as intended if it can do that much damage along with one attack in a shorter period of time than it is humanly possible to react. That is my problem. Each time I've been one shot by it, I've gone from full health to dead in a second. My reaction times are not an issue.

Again, I have crit reduction cp and impen because of all the stealth garbage, Channeled Focus is up 100% of the time, cp into magic damage reduction, and 30k health.

First off you are either deluding yourself or claiming buff's you don't actually have up. Secondly you are not running the #1 defense against stealth gankers, an ability that would eliminate the need for all the CP into magic damage reduction, eliminate the need for 30k hps, eliminate the need to have a shield up constantly. RADIANT MAGELIGHT 1 ability completely counters the 1 shot builds....like I said you don't want to actually counter someone who is owning you, you want to keep doing what you've always done and you want ZOS to nerf someone else's build so they can't kill you.

So in order to not be 1 hit expoited people are forced to give up 2 of their 10 skill slots? EVen if they are a stamina build?

Nah, just fix it.

It's not broke, this question was put forth before and ZOS addressed it, skill works as intended, only thing that is broke is the death recap. As stated one build puts all their skills, CP, gear, into maximizing an effect that is really only super powerful versus a handful of the population and you can simply counter it with 1 skill and no CP, no gear change. L2P, one shot builds don't kill good players, they kill careless players or noobs.

Cinnamon_Spider · December 2015

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

Stam NB's with focused aim + WB and stam DK's with WB + take flight can get similar if not higher DPS with the right combo.

Them abilities take time to cast. What the OP is complaining about is high burst damage (usually from stealth) with no time to react at all.

That damage is done within a 2 second time frame. Now assuming you're not on a horse and have no buffs and you get 1 shotted then that's your own fault. I ran a vamp hunter build for a while and noticed its the noobs who are easy kills. People who actually tried to survive those 1 shots managed to do so instead of crying on forums. You can't 1 shot someone with wards, resistance wards, magelight and so on. And again, he's complaining that it's "broken", as if it were some sort of bug or weakness open to exploit, I'll have everyone know that these skills are working exactly as intended so cry2play players should rephrase their threads as such.

The only one that should rephrase their comment is you. Camo is obviously not working as intended if it can do that much damage along with one attack in a shorter period of time than it is humanly possible to react. That is my problem. Each time I've been one shot by it, I've gone from full health to dead in a second. My reaction times are not an issue.

Again, I have crit reduction cp and impen because of all the stealth garbage, Channeled Focus is up 100% of the time, cp into magic damage reduction, and 30k health.

First off you are either deluding yourself or claiming buff's you don't actually have up. Secondly you are not running the #1 defense against stealth gankers, an ability that would eliminate the need for all the CP into magic damage reduction, eliminate the need for 30k hps, eliminate the need to have a shield up constantly. RADIANT MAGELIGHT 1 ability completely counters the 1 shot builds....like I said you don't want to actually counter someone who is owning you, you want to keep doing what you've always done and you want ZOS to nerf someone else's build so they can't kill you.

So in order to not be 1 hit expoited people are forced to give up 2 of their 10 skill slots? EVen if they are a stamina build?

Nah, just fix it.

It's not broke, this question was put forth before and ZOS addressed it, skill works as intended, only thing that is broke is the death recap. As stated one build puts all their skills, CP, gear, into maximizing an effect that is really only super powerful versus a handful of the population and you can simply counter it with 1 skill and no CP, no gear change. L2P, one shot builds don't kill good players, they kill careless players or noobs.

Read again what you wrote and really think about that. When a player can one shot another player, what does their skill level matter?

Jade1986 · December 2015

One shots should not exist in an mmo. It is simply sloppy and bad design.

caeliusstarbreaker · December 2015

Skill can proc multiple times

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Sharakor wrote: »

Stam NB's with focused aim + WB and stam DK's with WB + take flight can get similar if not higher DPS with the right combo.

Them abilities take time to cast. What the OP is complaining about is high burst damage (usually from stealth) with no time to react at all.

That damage is done within a 2 second time frame. Now assuming you're not on a horse and have no buffs and you get 1 shotted then that's your own fault. I ran a vamp hunter build for a while and noticed its the noobs who are easy kills. People who actually tried to survive those 1 shots managed to do so instead of crying on forums. You can't 1 shot someone with wards, resistance wards, magelight and so on. And again, he's complaining that it's "broken", as if it were some sort of bug or weakness open to exploit, I'll have everyone know that these skills are working exactly as intended so cry2play players should rephrase their threads as such.

The only one that should rephrase their comment is you. Camo is obviously not working as intended if it can do that much damage along with one attack in a shorter period of time than it is humanly possible to react. That is my problem. Each time I've been one shot by it, I've gone from full health to dead in a second. My reaction times are not an issue.

Again, I have crit reduction cp and impen because of all the stealth garbage, Channeled Focus is up 100% of the time, cp into magic damage reduction, and 30k health.

First off you are either deluding yourself or claiming buff's you don't actually have up. Secondly you are not running the #1 defense against stealth gankers, an ability that would eliminate the need for all the CP into magic damage reduction, eliminate the need for 30k hps, eliminate the need to have a shield up constantly. RADIANT MAGELIGHT 1 ability completely counters the 1 shot builds....like I said you don't want to actually counter someone who is owning you, you want to keep doing what you've always done and you want ZOS to nerf someone else's build so they can't kill you.

So in order to not be 1 hit expoited people are forced to give up 2 of their 10 skill slots? EVen if they are a stamina build?

Nah, just fix it.

It's not broke, this question was put forth before and ZOS addressed it, skill works as intended, only thing that is broke is the death recap. As stated one build puts all their skills, CP, gear, into maximizing an effect that is really only super powerful versus a handful of the population and you can simply counter it with 1 skill and no CP, no gear change. L2P, one shot builds don't kill good players, they kill careless players or noobs.

1 shot builds will kill people in 1 shot, where does skill even come into it? It's ok we get it you want to keep your expoit and continue farming ap because it's quick and requires no skill.

pelennor_fields · December 2015

"ZOS! I want to be a vampire but i don't want to face any of the negative consequences." NERF! NERF!

I run a ganking vampire hunter build with camo hunter and i almost never one shot... Except once in a blue moon when i hit a vamp with very low hp from stealth. It is usually two and three shot and ocassionally more against good players, who recover from the attempt and then it becomes a battle. But i am set up to burn down vamps. Run RML or deal with the negative consequences of being a vampire.

leepalmer95 · December 2015

pelennor_fields wrote: »

"ZOS! I want to be a vampire but i don't want to face any of the negative consequences." NERF! NERF!

I run a ganking vampire hunter build with camo hunter and i almost never one shot... Except once in a blue moon when i hit a vamp with very low hp from stealth. It is usually two and three shot and ocassionally more against good players, who recover from the attempt and then it becomes a battle. But i am set up to burn down vamps. Run RML or deal with the negative consequences of being a vampire.

And there goes any contribution you could of made.
1. Your a ganker
2. If your not 1 hitting vamps when ganking from stealth you've built yourself wrong.
3. It's bugged why is that so hard to understand.

pelennor_fields · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

2. If your not 1 hitting vamps when ganking from stealth you've built yourself wrong.

Or...

2. It is a L2P issue and they are running defenses (such as magelight) and have more than 17k health... Possibly

I always run RML when i'm alone (which is often) and i move and attack from stealth.. Because it is smart.. The nightblades in IC taught this dragonknight well.

leepalmer95 · December 2015

pelennor_fields wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

2. If your not 1 hitting vamps when ganking from stealth you've built yourself wrong.

Or...

2. It is a L2P issue and they are running defenses (such as magelight) and have more than 17k health... Possibly

I always run RML when i'm alone (which is often) and i move and attack from stealth.. Because it is smart.. The nightblades in IC taught this dragonknight well.

But are you a magicka build?, you don't have to be a vamp to be 1 hit with 17k hp you can be 1 hit with much higher hp.

So if im a stamina vamp i'm forced to waste skill slots and run a toggle which increases spell crit which then allows me to not be 1 hit by exploiters?, that shouldn't be a thing.

It's still bugged, the entire point of increasing dmg reduction in pvp was to increase the TTK and stop 1 shot kills and stop people from instantly killing people. Clearly this hasn't worked with a blanket nerf so it's time for zos to look at the reason why this is happened and adjust skills accordingly.

pelennor_fields · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

pelennor_fields wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

2. If your not 1 hitting vamps when ganking from stealth you've built yourself wrong.

Or...

2. It is a L2P issue and they are running defenses (such as magelight) and have more than 17k health... Possibly

I always run RML when i'm alone (which is often) and i move and attack from stealth.. Because it is smart.. The nightblades in IC taught this dragonknight well.

But are you a magicka build?, you don't have to be a vamp to be 1 hit with 17k hp you can be 1 hit with much higher hp.

So if im a stamina vamp i'm forced to waste skill slots and run a toggle which increases spell crit which then allows me to not be 1 hit by exploiters?, that shouldn't be a thing.

It's still bugged, the entire point of increasing dmg reduction in pvp was to increase the TTK and stop 1 shot kills and stop people from instantly killing people. Clearly this hasn't worked with a blanket nerf so it's time for zos to look at the reason why this is happened and adjust skills accordingly.

I am a non-vamp stamina DK and i run RML because if I don't i will get the spambush/fear combo from nightblades and die cc'd facedown on the ground. I learned to deal with it and stopped crying about nightblades like half these other fools. I can't read your death recaps but i doubt you are getting a true one shot. You are probably getting a burst of camo hunter, heavy/light attacks, and snipes (maybe silver shards too

.) I have never been truly "one shot" but i have died to an opening salvo more than once. I sympathize with you, i really do, but there are ways to counter the snare and the damage. If you are in a group only one person needs RML and if you are alone you are gambling anyway. My best buddy is a sorc who always runs RML and I sit in his lap when we play together. When he's not i slot RML or have a CC to deal with those pesky nb's.

"I don't get burned down often.. But when i do it's by a NB and my RML is off."

Cinnamon_Spider · December 2015

pelennor_fields wrote: »

"ZOS! I want to be a vampire but i don't want to face any of the negative consequences." NERF! NERF!

That is not what this is about at all. As a vamp, you already take increased damage from other players. This is about one skill that not balance and can take someone from 30k health to 0 from one attack. And this is due to something that changed in the IC patch that needs to be fixed.

If not for needing mist form for mobility on my Templar, I wouldn't even be a vamp.

leepalmer95 · December 2015

pelennor_fields wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

pelennor_fields wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

2. If your not 1 hitting vamps when ganking from stealth you've built yourself wrong.

Or...

2. It is a L2P issue and they are running defenses (such as magelight) and have more than 17k health... Possibly

I always run RML when i'm alone (which is often) and i move and attack from stealth.. Because it is smart.. The nightblades in IC taught this dragonknight well.

But are you a magicka build?, you don't have to be a vamp to be 1 hit with 17k hp you can be 1 hit with much higher hp.

So if im a stamina vamp i'm forced to waste skill slots and run a toggle which increases spell crit which then allows me to not be 1 hit by exploiters?, that shouldn't be a thing.

It's still bugged, the entire point of increasing dmg reduction in pvp was to increase the TTK and stop 1 shot kills and stop people from instantly killing people. Clearly this hasn't worked with a blanket nerf so it's time for zos to look at the reason why this is happened and adjust skills accordingly.

I am a non-vamp stamina DK and i run RML because if I don't i will get the spambush/fear combo from nightblades and die cc'd facedown on the ground. I learned to deal with it and stopped crying about nightblades like half these other fools. I can't read your death recaps but i doubt you are getting a true one shot. You are probably getting a burst of camo hunter, heavy/light attacks, and snipes (maybe silver shards too .) I have never been truly "one shot" but i have died to an opening salvo more than once. I sympathize with you, i really do, but there are ways to counter the snare and the damage. If you are in a group only one person needs RML and if you are alone you are gambling anyway. My best buddy is a sorc who always runs RML and I sit in his lap when we play together. When he's not i slot RML or have a CC to deal with those pesky nb's.

"I don't get burned down often.. But when i do it's by a NB and my RML is off."

If your dying to spam/fear from a nb your a terrible dk, the thread isn't to do with nb's it's about a broken skill... no one mentioned snares... why are you having your own conversation i'm so confused.

Your a NON vamp stamina dk, this is about a broken skill that affects vamps... why are you even in this thread.

Lord-Otto · December 2015

pelennor_fields wrote: »

"ZOS! I want to be a vampire but i don't want to face any of the negative consequences." NERF! NERF!

"ZOS! That 1.0 vampire emperor and his bat soldiers are ruling Cyrodiil and I don't want to slot Fighter's Guild abilities! NERF! NERF!"

pelennor_fields · December 2015

I commented on this thread because an attempt is being made to get a skill that I and many others utilize nerfed to the point that it would be useless except to get major savagery. Can you not read? The skill isn't bugged your combat log is. I was using NB snares as an analogy to help you understand because it is something that people QQ about often as well... And similarly it is a L2P issue.

But i see you are just another entitled person who wants a stomp their feet and shout "fix it already!" and demand a nerf to make the game easier for them instead of adapting to the game. You then become insolent when someone disagrees.. My work here is done.

Good day!

Lord-Otto · December 2015

pelennor_fields wrote: »

I commented on this thread because an attempt is being made to get a skill that I and many others utilize nerfed to the point that it would be useless except to get major savagery. Can you not read? The skill isn't bugged your combat log is. I was using NB snares as an analogy to help you understand because it is something that people QQ about often as well... And similarly it is a L2P issue.

But i see you are just another entitled person who wants a stomp their feet and shout "fix it already!" and demand a nerf to make the game easier for them instead of adapting to the game. You then become insolent when someone disagrees.. My work here is done. Good day!

Too bad for you you can't even get the point, my clueless friend.
Vampires have already been nerfed harsh, because people didn't want to "l2p" back in those days. Now that vamps have significant disadvantages outweighing the advantages (which also goes for anti-gank builds) and are begging for balance, the very same people come here and tell us to stfu. While you NON-vamp Nightblades have no problem with vampires being extremely useless, you claim that ESO will explode if your precious easy oneshots are being taken away from you. We are told to "l2p" and cure vampirism, but Nightblades should not be forced into open combat? Hypocrisy much?

Xeniph · December 2015

While I can agree that Camo hunter is a bit outa of whack on Vamps, as I regularly get a 9k Camo proc, and a 6k Hunter proc with a 10-16k heavy attack. To truly stop this you must and will have to regardless of how they change the kill, cure you're vamp to avoid it. And I am fine with that, I absolutely love the vulnerability.

It brings excitement to otherwise boring 5-10 minute combat that the new 50% damage reduction introduced. I accept and agree with the fact that if I am a vamp and am caught out of stealth, I am pretty much dead. If it bothers folks that much, just cure it an move on.

However, to add a bit of prospective. My heavies range from 10-16k, and an animation canceled Surprise Attack will add another 5-9k, for a total of 15-25k all without Camo Hunter. So regardless of how they change the skill, or even removed it, if folks keep ignoring counters ( of which there are MANY besides Magelight) the instagib or nearly so from stealth will continue to exist. And I whole heartedly agree they should continue to be.

As a side note, I run a v2 Templar with 28k health and I NEVER see a stealth crit break 8k nor do I have to deal with Camo Hunter as she is not a Vamp/WW.

To summarize, I can agree that fighters guild abilities are too punishing to Vamps. But I also agree this is a "learn to play" issue, to an extent.

leepalmer95 · December 2015

pelennor_fields wrote: »

I commented on this thread because an attempt is being made to get a skill that I and many others utilize nerfed to the point that it would be useless except to get major savagery. Can you not read? The skill isn't bugged your combat log is. I was using NB snares as an analogy to help you understand because it is something that people QQ about often as well... And similarly it is a L2P issue.

But i see you are just another entitled person who wants a stomp their feet and shout "fix it already!" and demand a nerf to make the game easier for them instead of adapting to the game. You then become insolent when someone disagrees.. My work here is done. Good day!

You know i'm not even a vamp, i'm just pointing out an obviously broken skill and it was quite clear you take full advantage of the broken skill.

Theres adapting and there brokenn skills, people shouldn't need to adapt to broken skills they should be fixed. It's clear to me that you just want to keep using that OP exploit to farm AP, my work is done.

Toc de Malsvi · December 2015

Part of learning to play the game is learning where your strong points and weakness' are, learning where other players strong points and weakness' are and learning to exploit their weakness' and counter their strengths. Magelight is not the only counter to "one shot" builds but it is the only hard counter and it works. If you build yourself like a glass cannon and ignore blatant weakness' you will always run the chance of being "one shot". Vampire's are a bit to strong in AOE situations, and Fighter's guild abilities are a bit to strong against vamps. The ability to "one shot" vamps that are being careless with both their build and their positioning in combat is not breaking the game or combat. No one is running around Cyrodiil single target ganking to death entire groups of players. "one shot" builds rely on stealth and waiting for the opportune moment when a player puts themselves in a bad position away from team mates, without defensives or skills that would hard counter stealth openers.

Complaining about Camo hunter when there are several counter's and one hard counter is kind of like standing in Fire on a boss fight and complaining that the Fire burns you too much without using skills you don't want to or moving out of the fire.

Toc de Malsvi · December 2015

I play on console, if Camo Hunter was so OP and Vamp's so weak you would not see any Vamps in pvp. Instead I see roughly 30-40% vamps many of which run in small groups of 4-5 with Magelight up and they wreck zergs while laughing at the "one shot" builds that try and kill them. Running Camo Hunter does not suddenly make you wreck every Vamp/Werewolf you see, and running a "one shot" build does not make you start dropping people left and right like candy. I run such a build on my DK and I can tell you that you spend a lot more time sneaking than getting kills and only about 1/5 of the people that you open up on die virtually instantly, and it is only that high if you economically choose targets. The rest lose somewhere between 30-90% of their health depending on their builds and then break free/roll and heal themselves up almost instantly. This kind of build makes people pay who #1: don't slot heals or absorbs #2: are careless about their positioning #3: are careless about their build #4: run solo #5: are noobs #6: are Vamp's that decided to not do something to counter the single greatest burst skill against them.

Cinnamon_Spider · December 2015

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Part of learning to play the game is learning where your strong points and weakness' are, learning where other players strong points and weakness' are and learning to exploit their weakness' and counter their strengths. Magelight is not the only counter to "one shot" builds but it is the only hard counter and it works. If you build yourself like a glass cannon and ignore blatant weakness' you will always run the chance of being "one shot". Vampire's are a bit to strong in AOE situations, and Fighter's guild abilities are a bit to strong against vamps. The ability to "one shot" vamps that are being careless with both their build and their positioning in combat is not breaking the game or combat. No one is running around Cyrodiil single target ganking to death entire groups of players. "one shot" builds rely on stealth and waiting for the opportune moment when a player puts themselves in a bad position away from team mates, without defensives or skills that would hard counter stealth openers.

Complaining about Camo hunter when there are several counter's and one hard counter is kind of like standing in Fire on a boss fight and complaining that the Fire burns you too much without using skills you don't want to or moving out of the fire.

And if it is none of those things you mentioned? What then? 30k health is not a glass cannon.

cdobratz · December 2015

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

This kind of build makes people pay who #1: don't slot heals or absorbs #2: are careless about their positioning #3: are careless about their build #4: run solo #5: are noobs #6: are Vamp's that decided to not do something to counter the single greatest burst skill against them.

1. Vigor is hard to use when your dead or stunned
2. You can be in stealth anywhere, and the medium armor/stealthy bonus allows you to get into heavy attack range easily
3 -5. I can understand that people who go out in a light armor should expect to be more squishy, but when they reduced damage to remove insane burst builds and there is a skill that more or less breaks that they should fix it. Running solo isn't the problem when you can get one shot regardless of whether or not you are in a group, and breath of lifes won't help when I go from 20k to 0 in a second. You suggesting that anyone who gets killed by camo hunter is a noob is the most unintelligent reason I hear for any balancing proposals.
6. It will take everything in my power not to go on a Dr. Perry *** from Scrubs caliber rant. Tell me, how as a vamp stamina sorc do I counter a buff ability? Use radiant magelight? I have a hard enough time justifying using bound armaments which is actually a useful toggle for a stamina build. Constantly use detect pots? Yes because the answer to a poorly balanced skill is to constantly have your potions on cooldown. Use revealing flare? Yes I will apply it every where, regardless of cost and being a stamina build, I will slot this over vigor! If you know of a way to actually prevent people from applying a buff I would love to know so I could prevent stam sorcs from applying crit surge, or to prevent stamblades from applying grim focus. I wish I could "not stand in fire" like your previous post assuming that vamps are either blind or unintelligent says, but when they are in stealth I can't see where that "fire" is.

Toc de Malsvi · December 2015

cdobratz wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

This kind of build makes people pay who #1: don't slot heals or absorbs #2: are careless about their positioning #3: are careless about their build #4: run solo #5: are noobs #6: are Vamp's that decided to not do something to counter the single greatest burst skill against them.

1. Vigor is hard to use when your dead or stunned
2. You can be in stealth anywhere, and the medium armor/stealthy bonus allows you to get into heavy attack range easily
3 -5. I can understand that people who go out in a light armor should expect to be more squishy, but when they reduced damage to remove insane burst builds and there is a skill that more or less breaks that they should fix it. Running solo isn't the problem when you can get one shot regardless of whether or not you are in a group, and breath of lifes won't help when I go from 20k to 0 in a second. You suggesting that anyone who gets killed by camo hunter is a noob is the most unintelligent reason I hear for any balancing proposals.
6. It will take everything in my power not to go on a Dr. Perry *** from Scrubs caliber rant. Tell me, how as a vamp stamina sorc do I counter a buff ability? Use radiant magelight? I have a hard enough time justifying using bound armaments which is actually a useful toggle for a stamina build. Constantly use detect pots? Yes because the answer to a poorly balanced skill is to constantly have your potions on cooldown. Use revealing flare? Yes I will apply it every where, regardless of cost and being a stamina build, I will slot this over vigor! If you know of a way to actually prevent people from applying a buff I would love to know so I could prevent stam sorcs from applying crit surge, or to prevent stamblades from applying grim focus. I wish I could "not stand in fire" like your previous post assuming that vamps are either blind or unintelligent says, but when they are in stealth I can't see where that "fire" is.

The fire is you being a vamp without considering the consequences and adjusting your build appropriately. Yes a stamina vamp is weak, so is a pure bow build with no Major brutality buff, so is a pure light armor build with no defenses, some builds just are not good. You are running a vamp/stam/sorc.....you just don't look at class build? Or do you just want things stacked against you as much as possible? Or did you build your whole build around doing massive AOE damage without considering the draw backs?

As to being in stealth anywhere, its almost like your in a war or something....