Camo Hunter - Fix it already!

eliisra · January 2016

Jules wrote: »

I believe this is the "exploit" getting fixed. The miss-leading death recap.

You will now be able to see all 2-3 Camoflage Hunter proc's as well as any other skill involved in taking your life

So I wouldn't go get a vampire bite just yet.

Not once have they said that double triple proc's aren't indented. Only that the death recap bugs and will be fixed.

FatKidHatchets · January 2016

The cure for camouflage hunter is radiant magelight. Unless its some glitch on pc, i as a vamp run radiant magelight and have 0 issue.

blur · January 2016

Also you can see in the screenshot the person also took damage from lotus fan and whatever else damage they were hit with. This screenshot is extremely misleading and incorrect. People were doing this with Radiant Destruction in 1.6 claiming they were getting one shot by 20k radiants...

xXNesTXx · January 2016

Is curious...if a camo hunter have a 15k of damage....is broken....but Wrecking blow or Overload are okey....

Don't like Camo hunter? well....621 gold is the solution.....remove the vampirism and problem solved!

Oh wait! I forget it.....vamps want all buffs but without debuffs.....

Since the patch with fire damage reduction for vamps, the vamps population increased too much.....someone has to control it.....

More L2P and less cry....

LBxFinalDeath · January 2016

One of the few times where being a WW is better than a Vampire, I admit.

Vampires are always vulnerable to getting instakilled, Werewolves only get instakilled if they are transformed...and p much if they are transformed they are prolly fighting the only person that could have instakilled dem.

It doesn't work on normal form werewolfies, I tried.

Cinnamon_Spider · January 2016

xXNesTXx wrote: »

Is curious...if a camo hunter have a 15k of damage....is broken....but Wrecking blow or Overload are okey....

Don't like Camo hunter? well....621 gold is the solution.....remove the vampirism and problem solved!

Oh wait! I forget it.....vamps want all buffs but without debuffs.....

Since the patch with fire damage reduction for vamps, the vamps population increased too much.....someone has to control it.....

More L2P and less cry....

Overload is a ultimate and wrecking blow is a skill. They both have counters. Camo Hunter is a buff that procs multiple times on one hit in addition to that hit. That is the problem.

Makkir · January 2016

imredneckson wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

You know what would be cool? http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Para+Bellum+Set - this set bonus as a Fighters Guild/Mages Guild ability.
Basically, while wearing this set, if you don't take damage for 12 seconds you receive a PERMANENT 12040 damage shield (until you get attacked of course). We're talking about an anti-gank set here. That's awesome.

I'd wear it and RIP ganking

Or you can just slot radiant magelight and actually run gear sets with bonuses that help you

Alcast · January 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We're not changing the ability, we are fixing the exploit as discussed in this thread.

When you say "fixing the exploit", are you referring to "Camouflage Hunter" proc'ing more then once?

Duel Wield heavy attack's specifically?

Or the 0.5 second's of time where all ability's can take benefit from the stealth modifier thus proc'ing "Camouflage Hunter" for all attack's within this time?

Since you are not changing the ability, can i assume that you can still hit your enemy with the first stealth proc and have a chance for the 15% chance proc to happen as well?

What you said is a little vague because the exploit with "Camouflage Hunter" is proc'ing the ability more then once. However it technically can proc twice if you factor in the 15% chance with the stealth proc.

I'm just wondering what is actually being fixed here. Camouflage Hunter is not working as intended because there is no internal cool-down for the stealth 100% proc.

-Is there going to be a new Internal Cool-Down?
-Or is the 0.5 second's given for the stealth modifier being changed?
-Will only 1 attack from stealth benefit from the stealth modifier?

As a nightblade this is crucial information since we relie on this stealth modifier damage.

Will console need to wait till next dlc for this change?

I'd also like to add, it may be a good idea to talk to Wrobel to have the % chance to effect all other enemies bumped up to 10%

I do not think they know that themself, prolly after their "fix" we see 5 camo procs at once again because their non-existant "internal testing team" did such a great job.

Also it seems people dont f...get it, this Death recap is bugged and it prolly summed up all the *** abilities that you got hit with in 1 camo proc.

Tankqull · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

laced wrote: »

MrGigglypants wrote: »

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

camo hunter is not bugged, stealth and Animation cancalling is.

Sadly, zeni supports animation cancelling (or they have no idea, how to fix it. Since, there is no cool down in each skill like tera online has...)

The games dps would suck without canceling and feel very 1 buttony. Canceling adds a skill set to the game especially on console where there's no macros.

Lol, did you just imply macros = skill?

No he said cancelling is skill but the problem on pc is that you don't know who is cancelling properly and who is using macro, console you don't have that problem.

absolutly wrong, but believe in what ever you like.

Jade1986 · January 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

laced wrote: »

MrGigglypants wrote: »

YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

camo hunter is not bugged, stealth and Animation cancalling is.

Sadly, zeni supports animation cancelling (or they have no idea, how to fix it. Since, there is no cool down in each skill like tera online has...)

The games dps would suck without canceling and feel very 1 buttony. Canceling adds a skill set to the game especially on console where there's no macros.

Lol, did you just imply macros = skill?

No he said cancelling is skill but the problem on pc is that you don't know who is cancelling properly and who is using macro, console you don't have that problem.

You really can, because there is always a difference in reaction time if you are doing it manually, no matter how minute, it is there, and with macros it is perfect every time, and is actually easy to catch IF there is a system in place to catch it. Obviously manually trying to catch it isn't really feasible.

GreenSoup2HoT · January 2016

@Alcast

If zos is really just fixing the death re-cap i'm going to laugh so hard. I agree though, their testing team is complete garbage. Back in the day.... how do the miss the fact camo hunter was stacking endlessly? Such a joke lmao.

It's not like i care if it get's fixed for now... more fun for me with my radiant mage light sentry build.

Alcast · January 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Alcast

If zos is really just fixing the death re-cap i'm going to laugh so hard. I agree though, their testing team is complete garbage. Back in the day.... how do the miss the fact camo hunter was stacking endlessly? Such a joke lmao.

It's not like a care if it get's fixed for now... more fun for me with my radiant mage light sentry build.

Well as ZOS is always very open and information (ye not rly) we do not really *** know wtf they are going to fix. Its like primary school lessons for PR department which they missed.

I also tried out sentry set but it does not reveal cloaked enemies thus making it *** useless.

GreenSoup2HoT · January 2016

@Alcast

You gotta pair the Sentry set with radiant mage light. It increases RML radius by a ton. You can see those magicka nb's so easily while they cloak. The only crap thing is using 2 slots for RML. Sentry also make's detect potion radius larger aswell. If you have RML on as well... i can see stealthy's on the second floor of keep's while im on the bottom lol.

Alcast · January 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Alcast

You gotta pair the Sentry set with radiant mage light. It increases RML radius by a ton. You can see those magicka nb's so easily while they cloak. The only crap thing is using 2 slots for RML. Sentry also make's detect potion radius larger aswell. If you have RML on as well... i can see stealthy's on the second floor of keep's while im on the bottom lol.

Sentry and RML do NOT reveal ppl that are cloaked. only INVISIBLE get revealed. Cloak is not invisible status.

DannyLV702 · January 2016

If this isn't BS, then I don't know what is... I was basically struck by lightning...

http://youtu.be/5nRkl5HsP_s

PainfulFAFA · January 2016

LOL at the plebs defending Camo Hunter.

Your cheese days are numbered scrubs!!

blur · January 2016

Alcast wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Alcast

You gotta pair the Sentry set with radiant mage light. It increases RML radius by a ton. You can see those magicka nb's so easily while they cloak. The only crap thing is using 2 slots for RML. Sentry also make's detect potion radius larger aswell. If you have RML on as well... i can see stealthy's on the second floor of keep's while im on the bottom lol.

Sentry and RML do NOT reveal ppl that are cloaked. only INVISIBLE get revealed. Cloak is not invisible status.

Actually RML does reveal cloak and @Xael posted a video showing this very thing around the time IC was being tested on PTS.
Also Cloak is invisible, what it is not is stealth. The difference being Stealth is sneaking and Cloak is invisible. Even the spell descriptions say this and the passives in the Assassination line make the distinction between Stealth and Invis.

Alcast · January 2016

blur wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Alcast

You gotta pair the Sentry set with radiant mage light. It increases RML radius by a ton. You can see those magicka nb's so easily while they cloak. The only crap thing is using 2 slots for RML. Sentry also make's detect potion radius larger aswell. If you have RML on as well... i can see stealthy's on the second floor of keep's while im on the bottom lol.

Sentry and RML do NOT reveal ppl that are cloaked. only INVISIBLE get revealed. Cloak is not invisible status.

Actually RML does reveal cloak and @Xael posted a video showing this very thing around the time IC was being tested on PTS.
Also Cloak is invisible, what it is not is stealth. The difference being Stealth is sneaking and Cloak is invisible. Even the spell descriptions say this and the passives in the Assassination line make the distinction between Stealth and Invis.

Interesting, then my testing was very sloppy, tho i could swear NBs still cloaked infront of my face although I had Sentry on me.

blur · January 2016

Alcast wrote: »

blur wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Alcast

You gotta pair the Sentry set with radiant mage light. It increases RML radius by a ton. You can see those magicka nb's so easily while they cloak. The only crap thing is using 2 slots for RML. Sentry also make's detect potion radius larger aswell. If you have RML on as well... i can see stealthy's on the second floor of keep's while im on the bottom lol.

Sentry and RML do NOT reveal ppl that are cloaked. only INVISIBLE get revealed. Cloak is not invisible status.

Actually RML does reveal cloak and @Xael posted a video showing this very thing around the time IC was being tested on PTS.
Also Cloak is invisible, what it is not is stealth. The difference being Stealth is sneaking and Cloak is invisible. Even the spell descriptions say this and the passives in the Assassination line make the distinction between Stealth and Invis.

Interesting, then my testing was very sloppy, tho i could swear NBs still cloaked infront of my face although I had Sentry on me.

I am not saying sentry works, I have never tested it.
I am however saying RML does work. Cloak disappears for a split second but you still see them the rest of the duration.

Alcast · January 2016

blur wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

blur wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

@Alcast

You gotta pair the Sentry set with radiant mage light. It increases RML radius by a ton. You can see those magicka nb's so easily while they cloak. The only crap thing is using 2 slots for RML. Sentry also make's detect potion radius larger aswell. If you have RML on as well... i can see stealthy's on the second floor of keep's while im on the bottom lol.

Sentry and RML do NOT reveal ppl that are cloaked. only INVISIBLE get revealed. Cloak is not invisible status.

Actually RML does reveal cloak and @Xael posted a video showing this very thing around the time IC was being tested on PTS.
Also Cloak is invisible, what it is not is stealth. The difference being Stealth is sneaking and Cloak is invisible. Even the spell descriptions say this and the passives in the Assassination line make the distinction between Stealth and Invis.

Interesting, then my testing was very sloppy, tho i could swear NBs still cloaked infront of my face although I had Sentry on me.

I am not saying sentry works, I have never tested it.
I am however saying RML does work. Cloak disappears for a split second but you still see them the rest of the duration.

Ok thx, I will give it a shot again and test it out

xXNesTXx · January 2016

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

Is curious...if a camo hunter have a 15k of damage....is broken....but Wrecking blow or Overload are okey....

Don't like Camo hunter? well....621 gold is the solution.....remove the vampirism and problem solved!

Oh wait! I forget it.....vamps want all buffs but without debuffs.....

Since the patch with fire damage reduction for vamps, the vamps population increased too much.....someone has to control it.....

More L2P and less cry....

Overload is a ultimate and wrecking blow is a skill. They both have counters. Camo Hunter is a buff that procs multiple times on one hit in addition to that hit. That is the problem.

What? Camo Hunter is a skill too, (at least in my game, you need a slot in your skill bar to use it)....a skill almost useless against non vampire players....

And of course can be countered, shields, healing skills and dodge are in there for some reason....

In addition, the best way to counter Camo Hunter is remove the vampirism and play in the same conditions with non vampire players....is very easy

Cinnamon_Spider · January 2016

xXNesTXx wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

Is curious...if a camo hunter have a 15k of damage....is broken....but Wrecking blow or Overload are okey....

Don't like Camo hunter? well....621 gold is the solution.....remove the vampirism and problem solved!

Oh wait! I forget it.....vamps want all buffs but without debuffs.....

Since the patch with fire damage reduction for vamps, the vamps population increased too much.....someone has to control it.....

More L2P and less cry....

Overload is a ultimate and wrecking blow is a skill. They both have counters. Camo Hunter is a buff that procs multiple times on one hit in addition to that hit. That is the problem.

What? Camo Hunter is a skill too, (at least in my game, you need a slot in your skill bar to use it)....a skill almost useless against non vampire players....

And of course can be countered, shields, healing skills and dodge are in there for some reason....

In addition, the best way to counter Camo Hunter is remove the vampirism and play in the same conditions with non vampire players....is very easy

It is a buff, like surge or rally. It should work the same way those buffs work rather than adding 2-3 additional hits along with attacks.

Jade1986 · January 2016

DannyLV702 wrote: »

If this isn't BS, then I don't know what is... I was basically struck by lightning...

http://youtu.be/5nRkl5HsP_s

Yeah, *** like that shouldnt even be possible in pvp like this.

revonine · January 2016

laced wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

If this isn't BS, then I don't know what is... I was basically struck by lightning...

http://youtu.be/5nRkl5HsP_s

Yeah, *** like that shouldnt even be possible in pvp like this.

My Sorc isn't even a vamp and I get gibbed by this quite alot. When there's so many people using it the chances are high even to non-vamps because they will chance their luck on you.

lol to that death recap too, 7086.

Stigant · January 2016

xXNesTXx wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

Is curious...if a camo hunter have a 15k of damage....is broken....but Wrecking blow or Overload are okey....

Don't like Camo hunter? well....621 gold is the solution.....remove the vampirism and problem solved!

Oh wait! I forget it.....vamps want all buffs but without debuffs.....

Since the patch with fire damage reduction for vamps, the vamps population increased too much.....someone has to control it.....

More L2P and less cry....

Overload is a ultimate and wrecking blow is a skill. They both have counters. Camo Hunter is a buff that procs multiple times on one hit in addition to that hit. That is the problem.

What? Camo Hunter is a skill too, (at least in my game, you need a slot in your skill bar to use it)....a skill almost useless against non vampire players....

And of course can be countered, shields, healing skills and dodge are in there for some reason....

In addition, the best way to counter Camo Hunter is remove the vampirism and play in the same conditions with non vampire players....is very easy

the problem with camohunter is multiple guaranteed procs from stealth ... DW HA canceled with Suprise attack or Flying blade gives you 3 CH procs ... Bow HA Canceled with Poison Injection/Silver Shards gives you 2 CH procs ... noone is saying its OP ... the problem is its bugged

Lava_Croft · January 2016

Please make Camo Hunter stop proccing on non-diseased people.

Alcast · January 2016

laced wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

If this isn't BS, then I don't know what is... I was basically struck by lightning...

http://youtu.be/5nRkl5HsP_s

Yeah, *** like that shouldnt even be possible in pvp like this.

If you had your shield up you would not have ended up dead. just sayin....

Adn the death recap is just bugged out, you got hit with Heavy attack, silver shard, camo

WillhelmBlack · January 2016

I feel my vampirism coming back to me.

Or not, because they haven't fixed anything.

Jade1986 · January 2016

Alcast wrote: »

laced wrote: »

DannyLV702 wrote: »

If this isn't BS, then I don't know what is... I was basically struck by lightning...

http://youtu.be/5nRkl5HsP_s

Yeah, *** like that shouldnt even be possible in pvp like this.

If you had your shield up you would not have ended up dead. just sayin....

Adn the death recap is just bugged out, you got hit with Heavy attack, silver shard, camo

thats not the point at all, not every class has ridiculously OP shields, so if it were a stam knight, stamplar, or any other class aside from a shield stacked sorc they would have been dead right away as well. It is simply bad game design to allow one shots in pvp in a game like this.

BuggeX · January 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We're not changing the ability, we are fixing the exploit as discussed in this thread.

so you will fix the whole stealth mechanic? or ruin the skill like you did with the chains cause you where never able to fix the actual Problem.....