The "Crown Store" is currently a horrible business practice and I refuse to support it as is.

Belidos · September 2015

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Here we go with this misplaced use of the word "entitlement". They're introducing new features to the game THAT I PAID FOR. Obviously I want to be a part of that. I DON'T CARE if they're required or not. Spending time creating new updates for the game then overcharging for them is shady business. I wouldn't pay even if I had the extra money. $24.99 for a damn cosmetic mount, are you kidding me? For that price, the horse should be about 3 or 4 times faster than the base game horse and able to open portals to oblivion to teleport directly to Wayshrines.

Bad example, DCUO's store currency is a lot more expensive than hours, their currency is £19 for 2500 and ours is £14.99 for 3000.

They get a DLC which includes 5 quests and only 5 quests for £5 to £10 depending on the pack, we get a whole expansion DLC for £15, heck they're selling packs of emotes and calling them abilities for £20.

Try again.

wraith808 · September 2015

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Your head is so far up your ass

Your lack of listening and understanding skills, knowledge and experience are one thing, but your lack of courtesy is another and it is unacceptable.

I'm not going to have common courtesy for someone who has done nothing but hang around my thread and ridicule me because I wasn't acknowledging his posts.

It is not *your* thread. The moment you post it, it becomes the communities. Not yours to enforce, nor to restrict. It's on ZOS's forums. You could report them.. .but the mods wouldn't do anything unless they were disrespectful or otherwise broke the rules. Which, so far, is pretty much limited to you. If you don't want to discuss, and don't want to hear opposing opinions, write a blog or something and turn off comments.

The prices are fine to me... but I have a lot of dead crowns because I subscribe, and there's little on the store that I want. I didn't max out my bank, so I'll get those when the gold price becomes high enough. But if someone else wants to buy, then more power to them. And you don't, then more power to you. But no one but ZOS gets to set the prices. And they do it via market pressure and market research.

nimander99 · September 2015

You know nothing Jon Snow.

RinneganDovahkiin · September 2015

Belidos wrote: »

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Here we go with this misplaced use of the word "entitlement". They're introducing new features to the game THAT I PAID FOR. Obviously I want to be a part of that. I DON'T CARE if they're required or not. Spending time creating new updates for the game then overcharging for them is shady business. I wouldn't pay even if I had the extra money. $24.99 for a damn cosmetic mount, are you kidding me? For that price, the horse should be about 3 or 4 times faster than the base game horse and able to open portals to oblivion to teleport directly to Wayshrines.

Bad example, DCUO's store currency is a lot more expensive than hours, their currency is £19 for 2500 and ours is £14.99 for 3000.

They get a DLC which includes 5 quests and only 5 quests for £5 to £10 depending on the pack, we get a whole expansion DLC for £15, heck they're selling packs of emotes and calling them abilities for £20.

Try again.

DCUO's total game currency might cost more(haven't played in a while), but they're vanity items cost less. Most of them don't exceed 500, which costs $5.00. Excluding DLC, None of the items exceed $10 or 1000. The power sets are only 600, but if you don't have any left over you're forced to buy 1000, which is also a rip off. I'm not defending those idiots by any means. But ESO is worse. I'd rather pay $10 for a new power in that game than $25 for a redesigned horse.

Equilibriator · November 2015

id love if you added a feature to buy exactly as many crowns as you need. Being 100 crowns short of a purchase after i get 1500 just makes me avoid the crown shop and i also dont get the 1500.

ADarklore · November 2015

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

DCUO's total game currency might cost more(haven't played in a while), but they're vanity items cost less. Most of them don't exceed 500, which costs $5.00. Excluding DLC, None of the items exceed $10 or 1000. The power sets are only 600, but if you don't have any left over you're forced to buy 1000, which is also a rip off. I'm not defending those idiots by any means. But ESO is worse. I'd rather pay $10 for a new power in that game than $25 for a redesigned horse.

LoL! Yeah, but ESO doesn't charge you to REPLAY their content like DCUO does. Want to increase your CR, guess what, you're "loot locked", so now you have to buy Replay Badges to reset content. Only so you can repeat the same exact missions over and over and over again and costing Replay Badges each time... unless you want to wait days for the auto reset. Whereas here in ESO, we have an entire expansive world to explore without repeating the same missions over and over to increase our levels. So yeah, BIG difference between how DCUO makes money and how ESO does. Thus, without resorting to Replay Badges as a roadblock to faster progression, ESO instead relies on other means for income- including mounts, costumes, etc. If you don't like the prices, don't use the Crown Store... but don't also come here and complain because things aren't offered cheaper. I've spent a ton of money on Crown Store items simply because I thought they were cool and helped enhance my gaming experience. I also understand the huge budget deficit that ZOS has and needs to increase its revenue inflow in order to maintain the game and provide future content.

Jade1986 · November 2015

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

MudcrabsRus wrote: »

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

MudcrabsRus wrote: »

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Honestly, what cheapskates. You have to pay to play the the game, yet the overcharge for their extras as if it's free to play. Have they lost their damn minds? First you overcharge for the crowns okay, that's one strike. Second, you can only buy them in bundles. Why is that a thing? Same goes for the costume bundles, why can't I just buy the individual items I want? There are a few good ones I like, but I'm not going buy a costume pack with two ugly outfits and one good one. Then 750 crowns costs $8.00, they don't even give you the full 800 crowns. And what can I do with that? Oh I can buy a virtual cat, I'm paying $8 for a virtual ass cat. Then the largest crown package costs half the price of the game, what sense does that make? Where the hell do they get these figures for value? All this crap should be between 1.99-4.99 like any normal cosmetic DLC. This is utterly and absolutely ridiculous. Get rid of the bundles and stop overcharging like this was free to play, it wasn't. You should've thought about that before you had GameStop stock their shelves with a $60 price tag.

You don't need to pay to play the game? No subscription required, and if your talking about plsystation plus, you would have got that anyway for other games.... I do agree with the crowns being overpriced, and also their fly tactics with the DLC " hey it's only 2,500 crowns but wait, you got to pay for the 3,000 pack if you don't have your enitial 500 crowns from launch"

I had to pay to get it so I had to pay to play it. We didn't sign up and get free copies in the mail.

Come on now, really? Obviously you had to pay a one off price for your copy of the game, what where you expecting it to be free?

Yes. That's the literal definition of a truly free to play MMO, Zenimax just decided to be stingy with their game.

You do realize this game is not free to play, it is buy to play. You should probably learn the difference before complaining.

Zouni · November 2015

I love my pet goat! Well spent RL money!

Rust_in_Peace · November 2015

The prices are fine if you have an ESO plus membership; you play the DLC without additional cost and buy all the cosmetic stuff you want as a bonus. Buying everything individually will likely cost you more depending how much cosmetic stuff you want.

XANTITHESISX · November 2015

1st World Problems....

BlackEar · November 2015

NGP wrote: »

Especially those blue motifs 500 crowns. Any one would buy that after they saw them only sold like 400 each in stores?
And those potions... 25g each in stores only...

Then buy it with gold.

Vote with your wallet. It is that easy.

BlackEar · November 2015

Weberda wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

You realize that you can play the game while completely ignoring the crown store, right?

Which is pretty much what I have done although I did break down and buy some scrolls to improve some horse skills on a low level toon ( and I wasn't happy about that either).

Even then you can't get away from the silly stuff in the store. Last night I got both the scamp and soul shriven costume off of Molag in the IC. Thanks a bunch. Those two items are really going to help me survive the damage nerf.

LOL did I seriously just read this?
A player that is downright UNHAPPY that he got a free pet and a rare skin from a boss.

Holy hell. I need the LOL button now!

ladyonthemoon · November 2015

I don't understand the concept of having to buy... money in order to buy stuff.

Also, please ZoS, release your dlcs on discs! I couldn't care less about the rest.

BlackEar · November 2015

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Belidos wrote: »

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Here we go with this misplaced use of the word "entitlement". They're introducing new features to the game THAT I PAID FOR. Obviously I want to be a part of that. I DON'T CARE if they're required or not. Spending time creating new updates for the game then overcharging for them is shady business. I wouldn't pay even if I had the extra money. $24.99 for a damn cosmetic mount, are you kidding me? For that price, the horse should be about 3 or 4 times faster than the base game horse and able to open portals to oblivion to teleport directly to Wayshrines.

Bad example, DCUO's store currency is a lot more expensive than hours, their currency is £19 for 2500 and ours is £14.99 for 3000.

They get a DLC which includes 5 quests and only 5 quests for £5 to £10 depending on the pack, we get a whole expansion DLC for £15, heck they're selling packs of emotes and calling them abilities for £20.

Try again.

DCUO's total game currency might cost more(haven't played in a while), but they're vanity items cost less. Most of them don't exceed 500, which costs $5.00. Excluding DLC, None of the items exceed $10 or 1000. The power sets are only 600, but if you don't have any left over you're forced to buy 1000, which is also a rip off. I'm not defending those idiots by any means. But ESO is worse. I'd rather pay $10 for a new power in that game than $25 for a redesigned horse.

Sooo... Pay to win? Nope. Bad idea.

Islyn · November 2015

MudcrabsRus wrote: »

Are you guys telling me eso should be a free game, and make their money in the crown store ONLY ? that's crazy.

Or MAYBE all you 'staunch supporters' could vote with YOUR wallet and pay a sub like us regular people who actually *do* support the game,

Thanks.

Kammakazi · November 2015

This type of business is literally used across many games...

Stop your

Aleswall · November 2015

Overpriced...?

This is news to me.

I came from WoW where a mount is like £17, in ESO they're like £5. Seems extremely cheap and fairly priced to me.

Aelthwyn · November 2015

I like being able to play without keeping up a monthly subscription, and I understand them needing revenue for future developments and ongoing maintenance etc. so I do think the crown store is a good way to get that.

However, I also feel that many things are overpriced and I don't care for their mismatching of prices vs. crown packs basically forcing you to either waste crowns or buy extra crowns to get that last 50 you need for two pets, or whatever.

I also think it's rather low of them to not have crown store purchases applied Account-wide. For those with friends on the NA and EU servers it sucks to have to buy the DLCs Twice. Seriously, that's just wrong.

And some of the items really do seem terribly overpriced. Perhaps other games sell horses for $25 too (though you have to buy the $30 crown pack for that) but that doesn't make it any more worth it. That's roughly half the price of the entire base game just for a mount (that doesn't even apply to both servers). Sorry... that just doesn't add up to me.

I would probably buy a lot more items, and ultimately over time spend more money in the crown store, if the prices were lower - if I didn't feel like it was stretching the limits of what these things are worth every single time. The current prices make me inclined to pick and choose rather than impulse buy everything that strikes my fancy, and once I stop and start thinking about it the more likely I am to come around to the argument 'but it's just a bunch of pixels' and decide I just can't justify it.

Of course you can play without buying anything from the crown store, but I think for many people seeing the high prices creates a feeling that it's all just about the money and dampens enthusiasm and loyalty for the game itself which is unfortunate. Yes it's a business that needs to support itself, but when the products don't seem worth the price to the customers.... even if they do occasionally cave and spend the money they don't feel as positive about the game over all.

terrordactyl1971 · November 2015

The items are overpriced because you're not just paying for the item, you are subsidising the running costs of the game including the network infrastructure, servers, salaries, development costs and shar holder profits.

Having said that, even I struggle to accept 5000 crowns for 1 motif

Islyn · November 2015

Belidos wrote: »

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Here we go with this misplaced use of the word "entitlement". They're introducing new features to the game THAT I PAID FOR. Obviously I want to be a part of that. I DON'T CARE if they're required or not. Spending time creating new updates for the game then overcharging for them is shady business. I wouldn't pay even if I had the extra money. $24.99 for a damn cosmetic mount, are you kidding me? For that price, the horse should be about 3 or 4 times faster than the base game horse and able to open portals to oblivion to teleport directly to Wayshrines.

Bad example, DCUO's store currency is a lot more expensive than hours, their currency is £19 for 2500 and ours is £14.99 for 3000.

They get a DLC which includes 5 quests and only 5 quests for £5 to £10 depending on the pack, we get a whole expansion DLC for £15, heck they're selling packs of emotes and calling them abilities for £20.

Try again.

This IS NOT any other game and comparisons are pointless. There was a reason many of us came here and it wasn't this.

Islyn · November 2015

Violynne wrote: »

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Here we go with this misplaced use of the word "entitlement".

Calling it as I see it. Don't mistake this as a direct attack on you. The statement sounds entitled.

They're introducing new features to the game THAT I PAID FOR.

Are you talking about the DLC because everything else I see was given to us without needing the DLC. I just found malachite today and I don't own the DLC.

I took it from your post you're not a subscriber, because if you were, the crowns you would have gotten would make all of your post moot.

Obviously I want to be a part of that. I DON'T CARE if they're required or not. Spending time creating new updates for the game then overcharging for them is shady business. I wouldn't pay even if I had the extra money. $24.99 for a damn cosmetic mount, are you kidding me? For that price, the horse should be about 3 or 4 times faster than the base game horse and able to open portals to oblivion to teleport directly to Wayshrines.

This is where I feel your statement is entitled.

The issue I see here is that: "It's a virtual item that's too costly!" rather than "Oh, I see, since they didn't make the game require a subscription, they need to sell this stuff."

As you said: IT'S COSMETIC and has no bearing on the game. You can buy any mount and receive pets in the game (and you can also get polymorphs like the skeleton), yet YOU want the BETTER looking virtual stuff.

If this isn't the definition of entitled, then by all means, come up with a different term that fits.

Oh, I know! CHEAPSKATE.

If you can't see the prices are high to help offset the cost of the millions who don't subscribe, then there's no convincing you the statements you're making are utter nonsense.

For the record, in case you want to know:
-I don't subscribe.
-I bought 1 horse, senche lioness, clouded lioness, and both cats.

If ZoS adds another virtual item that pleases me and makes my character cool, I'll buy it because I'm not buying the virtual item. I'm supporting the game.

How does one even begin to put a price on that.

But cannot be bothered to sub and make a regular commitment to support the game.

Furthermore, I don't think the Console People have ever played the same game as we have.

I don't think they can understand what the PC/Mac people went through.

Belidos · November 2015

Islyn wrote: »

Belidos wrote: »

RinneganDovahkiin wrote: »

Here we go with this misplaced use of the word "entitlement". They're introducing new features to the game THAT I PAID FOR. Obviously I want to be a part of that. I DON'T CARE if they're required or not. Spending time creating new updates for the game then overcharging for them is shady business. I wouldn't pay even if I had the extra money. $24.99 for a damn cosmetic mount, are you kidding me? For that price, the horse should be about 3 or 4 times faster than the base game horse and able to open portals to oblivion to teleport directly to Wayshrines.

Bad example, DCUO's store currency is a lot more expensive than hours, their currency is £19 for 2500 and ours is £14.99 for 3000.

They get a DLC which includes 5 quests and only 5 quests for £5 to £10 depending on the pack, we get a whole expansion DLC for £15, heck they're selling packs of emotes and calling them abilities for £20.

Try again.

This IS NOT any other game and comparisons are pointless. There was a reason many of us came here and it wasn't this.

It wasn't me comparing, it was a chain of quotes in which the other guy comparing and getting his facts wrong, I was correcting him.

gard · November 2015

Don't like the crown store? Don't buy stuff from the crown store.
Pretty simple. There's nothing in the crown store that is required to play.

I'm pretty vocal about the flaws in this game, but the crown store isn't one of them.