Feedback: Shieldbreaker 5p-set - it´s OP and should not go live.

Dekkameron · August 2015

Seems fine to me, everything shouldn't be about shields anyway.

Darnathian · August 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Sure it looks strong in the video. The Sorc is literally not doing anything but refreshing shileds, and besides that it took him quite a while to kill that sorc, with what looked like the clip being sped up.

I wouldn't say that the person "destroyed" the Sorc, since all he had to do was slot an actual heal to counter the measly 2.1k getting through the shield. It is clear though, folks will have to rethink their skill usage. Which is a good thing imo.

And to all you folks implying that shield stackers only rely on defense from shields and don't slot at least one heal, you are over dramatizing things. All a player will need to do is slot a heal to compensate for the damage getting through the shield until the ward pops.

Classes can use their abilities to offset, like-

DK- GDB/Whip exploit
Sorc- Dark Deal/Unstable clanfear heal/Surge (Add Blood Magic to offence)
Templar- Any of their heals
NB- Swallow Soul/Path/Sap

And lets not forget Springs/Combat prayer. Looks like it's time to start theory crafting some builds. This is assuming the set even becomes popular, which I highly doubt since it really is only effective against certain builds.

Did you even watched the video? Derra is spamming rapid regeneration, entropy and combat prayer, and still dies from light attacks spam because he got harness magicka up...
Also lol on pts swallow soul is like 800 heal/2sec at best, sap and path are even less

I did indeed watch it. Did you see Legendary's video? As I said, it's clearly time to theory craft.

Legendary is also standing in caltrops. And I am sure people will find plenty of other ways to counter this damage.

And have you seen how much mage is having to cast his heal to counter it? Throw in a second player to the mix and mage wouldn't be doing any dps at all.

If mage has 2 players on him he would lose anyway, unless the players are terrible. In which case no set will help the baddies anyway.

Edit- I suppose I'm asking, what makes you think it's ok for any class to be able to 1vX any like geared/skilled players. If you are implying they are not like geared/skilled, no set bonus can close that gap imo.

the problem is the set is dummy proof - wich means two dummys wich are no problem with out this set will becomme unkillable as you are pushed into full defense without any chance of fighting back(regardless of your class thx to the crapton of garbage proc shields hell DK can even fore its aplication with petrify).

Kind of like shield stacking being dummy proof.

Derra · August 2015

Bashev wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

It really makes me wonder if you´d be happy with a set that does 2100 irresistable dmg when an attack is blocked dodged or missed.

It really makes me wonder if you´d be happy if your magicka regen stops while you have a shield on you or the cost of the skill increase 33% everytime you cast a skill which has a shield in 4 seconds?

Since i play a class that is already heavily penalized for using their alternative defense ability (which just becomes useless as an escape with this patch and is merely a repositioning tool) and shields don´t offer the option to activate / deactivate at will i don´t think this is a fitting comparison.

If templars get a 4s cast costincrease penalty on bol, dragonknights get one on gdb deepbreath and reflect and nightblades get one on cloak we can talk.

Maulkin · August 2015

Soulac wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

You can bet I'll have one Sorc in my group use this with Staffs and Overload if it doesnt get nerfed.

Shieldbreaker and Molag fecking Kena. Light attackgasm

This set should not ignore block and proc on shields that don't absorb damage, like stamina attacks on harness.

Actually, the correct implementation would be to do extra X damage ON shields. It's called shield breaker, not shield ignorer. When the shields are down it should do no extra damage. When the shields are up it should significantly help to break them.

This current implementation, makes every passive and skill that gives you a shield an actual frikken debuff, instead of buff. A heavy armor, mitigation tank that got a shield off someone random is suddenly receiving 2.1k unblockable, unmitigated damage from every light attack people are doing to him.

That's insane

Wait, 2k not shieldable dmg caused by a set isn't okay, but undodgeable curse, some heavy attacks, channel attacks and Magicka AoEs or not being able to cloak against potions or AoEs is fine?
Why should shields be the only defense mechanic without any hard counters?
I need to rely on 4 different defense abilities as Stamina NB, why should you be able to solely rely on a single one?

How is that even comparable?

First off, Curse is blockable, it gets mitigated by your passive resistances, is purgable, is shieldable, has a 3.5" timer with a highly visible purple glow as warning.

Secondly, dodge rolling is still your best way to avoid 90% of damage. It doesn't suddenly become a debuff for you, increasing incoming damage rather than decreasing it. As Derra said if there was a Light Armor set that does unmitigated damage for every attack you block, dodge or miss and your dodge roll suddenly became a debuff rather than a buff you would be screaming to high heavens.

I'm very happy with a set to break shields faster, not ignore them.It would still be a very good counter to shields. Great for duels and PvP, you would want people in your group with this set.

But a set that turns a last second healing ward to an ally or your beloved Whitestrake from a life saver to a death sentence is freaking OP and badly though out.

Soulac · August 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

You can bet I'll have one Sorc in my group use this with Staffs and Overload if it doesnt get nerfed.

Shieldbreaker and Molag fecking Kena. Light attackgasm

This set should not ignore block and proc on shields that don't absorb damage, like stamina attacks on harness.

Actually, the correct implementation would be to do extra X damage ON shields. It's called shield breaker, not shield ignorer. When the shields are down it should do no extra damage. When the shields are up it should significantly help to break them.

This current implementation, makes every passive and skill that gives you a shield an actual frikken debuff, instead of buff. A heavy armor, mitigation tank that got a shield off someone random is suddenly receiving 2.1k unblockable, unmitigated damage from every light attack people are doing to him.

That's insane

Wait, 2k not shieldable dmg caused by a set isn't okay, but undodgeable curse, some heavy attacks, channel attacks and Magicka AoEs or not being able to cloak against potions or AoEs is fine?
Why should shields be the only defense mechanic without any hard counters?
I need to rely on 4 different defense abilities as Stamina NB, why should you be able to solely rely on a single one?

How is that even comparable?

First off, Curse is blockable, it gets mitigated by your passive resistances, is purgable, is shieldable, has a 3.5" timer with a highly visible purple glow as warning.

Secondly, dodge rolling is still your best way to avoid 90% of damage. It doesn't suddenly become a debuff for you, increasing incoming damage rather than decreasing it. As Derra said if there was a Light Armor set that does unmitigated damage for every attack you block, dodge or miss and your dodge roll suddenly became a debuff rather than a buff you would be screaming to high heavens.

I'm very happy with a set to break shields faster, not ignore them.It would still be a very good counter to shields. Great for duels and PvP, you would want people in your group with this set.

But a set that turns a last second healing ward to an ally or your beloved Whitestrake from a life saver to a death sentence is freaking OP and badly though out.

My whitestrake set does exactly what it should do, saving me from getting busted. This set won't change it.
In 1v1 against Magicka NBs I don't avoid any dmg, not 80% not 90%, it's 0%. Ofc it changes, but dodge is still counterable.
If you use a detection potion my cloak won't avoid any damage. If you use an unblockable stun I won't mitigate any dmg and heals can get huge reductions on it.
Shields? Well there is nothing against it.
It's not like your shields suddenly disappear, you still absorb most of the dmg, don't you.

Let it go live and test how it really is in under normal circumstances.
In theory I can dodge everything, but in practice it's totally wrong. I stopped counting how many people I killed in mid of their dodge roll.

You're right that you can't really compare defense mechanic, but why should everything have hard counters except shields?
You think 2k additional dmg will change something about immortal healing ward spammers? Please, you cant believe that. There must be something to ignore shields, as there are abilities ignoring all other defense mechanics.
I might mitigate most dmg with my dodge, but dodge is more expensive and needs to be timed.. Like you said, it's not compareable.

All I want it that everyone and especially you test this set once it goes live under normal circumstances and not while standing in front of each other.
Everything needs counters, shields are not an exception. If someone wears a set just to counter shields, it should be worth it.
If this set can't break your Shield spam (=killing you), what is the point in it?
If you counter my dodge I need to rely on dodge, if you also use a potion I need to use more heals or shadow image and the same applies to you now.

actosh · August 2015

The Glyphs that deal unresitable dmg been ignoring everything since release, but they got a cooldown. That the bonus goes through shields and is ignoring them isnt balanced.

The bonus should only help to do xtra dmg to the shield, not bypassing it and hit health.

Rename it to Shield Ignorer or something so the name fits the bonus.

olsborg · August 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

You can bet I'll have one Sorc in my group use this with Staffs and Overload if it doesnt get nerfed.

Shieldbreaker and Molag fecking Kena. Light attackgasm

This set should not ignore block and proc on shields that don't absorb damage, like stamina attacks on harness.

Actually, the correct implementation would be to do extra X damage ON shields. It's called shield breaker, not shield ignorer. When the shields are down it should do no extra damage. When the shields are up it should significantly help to break them.

This current implementation, makes every passive and skill that gives you a shield an actual frikken debuff, instead of buff. A heavy armor, mitigation tank that got a shield off someone random is suddenly receiving 2.1k unblockable, unmitigated damage from every light attack people are doing to him.

That's insane

Wait, 2k not shieldable dmg caused by a set isn't okay, but undodgeable curse, some heavy attacks, channel attacks and Magicka AoEs or not being able to cloak against potions or AoEs is fine?
Why should shields be the only defense mechanic without any hard counters?
I need to rely on 4 different defense abilities as Stamina NB, why should you be able to solely rely on a single one?

But a set that turns a last second healing ward to an ally or your beloved Whitestrake from a life saver to a death sentence is freaking OP and badly though out.

this^^

Maulkin · August 2015

Soulac wrote: »

My whitestrake set does exactly what it should do, saving me from getting busted. This set won't change it.
In 1v1 against Magicka NBs I don't avoid any dmg, not 80% not 90%, it's 0%.

Wrong. You are currently using a nirnhorned 5p set right? You are mitigating exactly 50% damage of that Concealed Weapon. Nirn is getting fixed at the same time as undodgeable CW, thankfully

Soulac wrote: »

Ofc it changes, but dodge is still counterable.
If you use a detection potion my cloak won't avoid any damage. If you use an unblockable stun I won't mitigate any dmg and heals can get huge reductions on it.

Activating Cloak, like dodge, forces all projectiles to miss for a bit. Even if you are detected by pots.I'm also happy detect pots are getting nerfed to 15" as 45" was way over the top. And yes there are counters to dodge, i never said there aren't

Soulac wrote: »

Shields? Well there is nothing against it.
It's not like your shields suddenly disappear, you still absorb most of the dmg, don't you.

I'm happy that they are introducing a counter to shields. I have no issues with having a counter to shields. I have an issue with the way the counter has been implemented.

Soulac wrote: »

You're right that you can't really compare defense mechanic, but why should everything have hard counters except shields?
You think 2k additional dmg will change something about immortal healing ward spammers? Please, you cant believe that. There must be something to ignore shields, as there are abilities ignoring all other defense mechanics.
I might mitigate most dmg with my dodge, but dodge is more expensive and needs to be timed.. Like you said, it's not compareable.

All I want it that everyone and especially you test this set once it goes live under normal circumstances and not while standing in front of each other.
Everything needs counters, shields are not an exception. If someone wears a set just to counter shields, it should be worth it.
If this set can't break your Shield spam (=killing you), what is the point in it?
If you counter my dodge I need to rely on dodge, if you also use a potion I need to use more heals or shadow image and the same applies to you now.

I would really really love to test it, but unfortunately my primary SSD drive is full and ESO gives you no option on the installer to choose a drive to install the PTS version. So unless I want to uninstall both my Live and current PTS and the reinstall them both on my 1TB secondary HD, I'm stuck

Anyhow, my point is that if 2k on shields is deemed too low buff it to 3k on shields. Or make it a percentage of the total shield strength, say 35% so if i have stacked 20k worth of shields somehow the first light attack with do an extra 8k damage on my shields and drastically reduce them. Still a massive buff against more than half the population in Cyrodiil that uses shields in some form.

There are ways to introduce shield counters without turning them into self-debuffs and ruining support healing via Heal Ward for non-Templar classes.

Soulac · August 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

My whitestrake set does exactly what it should do, saving me from getting busted. This set won't change it.
In 1v1 against Magicka NBs I don't avoid any dmg, not 80% not 90%, it's 0%.

Wrong. You are currently using a nirnhorned 5p set right? You are mitigating exactly 50% damage of that Concealed Weapon. Nirn is getting fixed at the same time as undodgeable CW, thankfully

Soulac wrote: »

Ofc it changes, but dodge is still counterable.
If you use a detection potion my cloak won't avoid any damage. If you use an unblockable stun I won't mitigate any dmg and heals can get huge reductions on it.

Activating Cloak, like dodge, forces all projectiles to miss for a bit. Even if you are detected by pots.I'm also happy detect pots are getting nerfed to 15" as 45" was way over the top. And yes there are counters to dodge, i never said there aren't

Soulac wrote: »

Shields? Well there is nothing against it.
It's not like your shields suddenly disappear, you still absorb most of the dmg, don't you.

I'm happy that they are introducing a counter to shields. I have no issues with having a counter to shields. I have an issue with the way the counter has been implemented.

Soulac wrote: »

You're right that you can't really compare defense mechanic, but why should everything have hard counters except shields?
You think 2k additional dmg will change something about immortal healing ward spammers? Please, you cant believe that. There must be something to ignore shields, as there are abilities ignoring all other defense mechanics.
I might mitigate most dmg with my dodge, but dodge is more expensive and needs to be timed.. Like you said, it's not compareable.

All I want it that everyone and especially you test this set once it goes live under normal circumstances and not while standing in front of each other.
Everything needs counters, shields are not an exception. If someone wears a set just to counter shields, it should be worth it.
If this set can't break your Shield spam (=killing you), what is the point in it?
If you counter my dodge I need to rely on dodge, if you also use a potion I need to use more heals or shadow image and the same applies to you now.

I would really really love to test it, but unfortunately my primary SSD drive is full and ESO gives you no option on the installer to choose a drive to install the PTS version. So unless I want to uninstall both my Live and current PTS and the reinstall them both on my 1TB secondary HD, I'm stuck

Anyhow, my point is that if 2k on shields is deemed too low buff it to 3k on shields. Or make it a percentage of the total shield strength, say 35% so if i have stacked 20k worth of shields somehow the first light attack with do an extra 8k damage on my shields and drastically reduce them. Still a massive buff against more than half the population in Cyrodiil that uses shields in some form.

There are ways to introduce shield counters without turning them into self-debuffs and ruining support healing via Heal Ward for non-Templar classes.

I'm a vampire Stamina nightblade not using a single piece of nirnhoned.

Also I said something about testing it once it's live, not with pts stability and probably some balance changes until it goes live.. But okay.
If you see someone in cloak you can hit him, he won't avoid the projectiles anymore. Yes, they changed it with the coming patch.
Duration of the potions got decreased, but that doesn't change the fact that these potions make cloak completely useless for the whole duration.

Dalglish · August 2015

If this set was to solely combat shield stackers I would have no problem, but the fact that it effects such a wide range of possiblities (most of them brought up throughout this topic); it just seems badly thought out.

I'd rather see a combat to shield stacking be in the form of reducing the shield amount by x% recurring if re-cast within x seconds. The issue with shields is not that they have no counter, its the fact that they are far too easy to spam with the current infinite-resource meta.

This kind of set I can see working as intended in small scale, but as soon as you introduce this to zerg combat it will just be stupid.

Turning an intended buff into a death sentence is not the right way to go. Especially, as in many cases, you will not be able to do anything about it.

I will give it time to test on live, I just can't see this issue going away.

BuggeX · August 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I would really really love to test it, but unfortunately my primary SSD drive is full and ESO gives you no option on the installer to choose a drive to install the PTS version. So unless I want to uninstall both my Live and current PTS and the reinstall them both on my 1TB secondary HD, I'm stuck

you could just copy-past the Folder eso/esoeu to the new Installation direction and it works fine

trimsic_ESO · August 2015

@derra IMHO, you should rename this thread: "Oh my god, someone can now kill me! Nerf this guy please!"

More seriously, you are playing a glass canon build. What did you expect?

Finally, I feel like this set is currently broken, because the proc is twice as hard as indicated in the tooltip, while I would expect it to hit for half of the indicated damage because of the PVP debuff. May be ZOS should have a look into it.

Maulkin · August 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

I would really really love to test it, but unfortunately my primary SSD drive is full and ESO gives you no option on the installer to choose a drive to install the PTS version. So unless I want to uninstall both my Live and current PTS and the reinstall them both on my 1TB secondary HD, I'm stuck

you could just copy-past the Folder eso/esoeu to the new Installation direction and it works fine

Top man, thanks for the advice.I'll try it tonight

IxSTALKERxI · August 2015

I found a good counter to this. Make a stam sorc with shield breaker set and don't use shields and spam overload on everyone while rolling everywhere.

I guess one way to make stam sorcs viable is it nerf the alternative (magicka shield stackers).

Saint_JiubB14_ESO · August 2015

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

I found a good counter to this. Make a stam sorc with shield breaker set and don't use shields and spam overload on everyone while rolling everywhere.

I guess one way to make stam sorcs viable is it nerf the alternative (magicka shield stackers).

+1 internet for you

I have been waiting for somebody to make the "ZoS found a way to buff stam sorc, make magicka sorc terrible" joke.

Tankqull · August 2015

Darnathian wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Sure it looks strong in the video. The Sorc is literally not doing anything but refreshing shileds, and besides that it took him quite a while to kill that sorc, with what looked like the clip being sped up.

I wouldn't say that the person "destroyed" the Sorc, since all he had to do was slot an actual heal to counter the measly 2.1k getting through the shield. It is clear though, folks will have to rethink their skill usage. Which is a good thing imo.

And to all you folks implying that shield stackers only rely on defense from shields and don't slot at least one heal, you are over dramatizing things. All a player will need to do is slot a heal to compensate for the damage getting through the shield until the ward pops.

Classes can use their abilities to offset, like-

DK- GDB/Whip exploit
Sorc- Dark Deal/Unstable clanfear heal/Surge (Add Blood Magic to offence)
Templar- Any of their heals
NB- Swallow Soul/Path/Sap

And lets not forget Springs/Combat prayer. Looks like it's time to start theory crafting some builds. This is assuming the set even becomes popular, which I highly doubt since it really is only effective against certain builds.

Did you even watched the video? Derra is spamming rapid regeneration, entropy and combat prayer, and still dies from light attacks spam because he got harness magicka up...
Also lol on pts swallow soul is like 800 heal/2sec at best, sap and path are even less

I did indeed watch it. Did you see Legendary's video? As I said, it's clearly time to theory craft.

Legendary is also standing in caltrops. And I am sure people will find plenty of other ways to counter this damage.

And have you seen how much mage is having to cast his heal to counter it? Throw in a second player to the mix and mage wouldn't be doing any dps at all.

If mage has 2 players on him he would lose anyway, unless the players are terrible. In which case no set will help the baddies anyway.

Edit- I suppose I'm asking, what makes you think it's ok for any class to be able to 1vX any like geared/skilled players. If you are implying they are not like geared/skilled, no set bonus can close that gap imo.

the problem is the set is dummy proof - wich means two dummys wich are no problem with out this set will becomme unkillable as you are pushed into full defense without any chance of fighting back(regardless of your class thx to the crapton of garbage proc shields hell DK can even fore its aplication with petrify).

Kind of like shield stacking being dummy proof.

the amount of sorcs i´m killing proofs otherwise

Derra · August 2015

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

@derra IMHO, you should rename this thread: "Oh my god, someone can now kill me! Nerf this guy please!"

More seriously, you are playing a glass canon build. What did you expect?

Finally, I feel like this set is currently broken, because the proc is twice as hard as indicated in the tooltip, while I would expect it to hit for half of the indicated damage because of the PVP debuff. May be ZOS should have a look into it.

I´ve never had an issue killing any sorc on the current live server with my grp nor did enemies have issues killing me when i was focused. So i don´t really get your point...

It´s one of the problem that nobody even knows if that set ignores the battlespirit debuff on purpose (though the answer is most likely yes because it only works on player shields anyway).
Personally i would be fine if the set would only DMG shields and the dmg was increased to like 3k dmg ON THE SHIELD (atleast its name shield BREAKER isnt it?)
It´s just too much unmitigated hp dmg.

I could care less about 1v1 balance. The only thing bothering me from a solo 1vx pov is that a magica sorc without healing staff is now 100% unplayable when encountering this set (which is not the case for magica templars, dks, and nightblades as they all have other means of defense than shields).

What really pisses me off is this set hardcounters the only burstheal available to my class in the role of a grp supporter and if this goes live i won´t be able to play as support anymore.

Derra · August 2015

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

I found a good counter to this. Make a stam sorc with shield breaker set and don't use shields and spam overload on everyone while rolling everywhere.

I guess one way to make stam sorcs viable is it nerf the alternative (magicka shield stackers).

Well that´s what i will be doing when this set goes live in the current way. I won´t be able to play as magica grp support so i have to play my class as stam dps...

Tankqull · August 2015

Derra wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

I found a good counter to this. Make a stam sorc with shield breaker set and don't use shields and spam overload on everyone while rolling everywhere.

I guess one way to make stam sorcs viable is it nerf the alternative (magicka shield stackers).

Well that´s what i will be doing when this set goes live in the current way. I won´t be able to play as magica grp support so i have to play my class as stam dps...

can be nice too...
300% + stealth modifier of dmg on focused aim thx to the new thundering presence^^

Sarousse · August 2015

Make shields critable and no problem with having this set nerfed/changed totally.

Dracane · August 2015

Derra wrote: »

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

@derra IMHO, you should rename this thread: "Oh my god, someone can now kill me! Nerf this guy please!"

More seriously, you are playing a glass canon build. What did you expect?

Finally, I feel like this set is currently broken, because the proc is twice as hard as indicated in the tooltip, while I would expect it to hit for half of the indicated damage because of the PVP debuff. May be ZOS should have a look into it.

I´ve never had an issue killing any sorc on the current live server with my grp nor did enemies have issues killing me when i was focused. So i don´t really get your point...

It´s one of the problem that nobody even knows if that set ignores the battlespirit debuff on purpose (though the answer is most likely yes because it only works on player shields anyway).
Personally i would be fine if the set would only DMG shields and the dmg was increased to like 3k dmg ON THE SHIELD (atleast its name shield BREAKER isnt it?)
It´s just too much unmitigated hp dmg.

I could care less about 1v1 balance. The only thing bothering me from a solo 1vx pov is that a magica sorc without healing staff is now 100% unplayable when encountering this set (which is not the case for magica templars, dks, and nightblades as they all have other means of defense than shields).

What really pisses me off is this set hardcounters the only burstheal available to my class in the role of a grp supporter and if this goes live i won´t be able to play as support anymore.

And as you have proved to us, even WITH healing staff it is as good as impossible.
Well, Sorcerer was the only class being forced to use a restoration staff since the game exists. Nothing new

Derra · August 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

trimsic_ESO wrote: »

@derra IMHO, you should rename this thread: "Oh my god, someone can now kill me! Nerf this guy please!"

More seriously, you are playing a glass canon build. What did you expect?

Finally, I feel like this set is currently broken, because the proc is twice as hard as indicated in the tooltip, while I would expect it to hit for half of the indicated damage because of the PVP debuff. May be ZOS should have a look into it.

I´ve never had an issue killing any sorc on the current live server with my grp nor did enemies have issues killing me when i was focused. So i don´t really get your point...

It´s one of the problem that nobody even knows if that set ignores the battlespirit debuff on purpose (though the answer is most likely yes because it only works on player shields anyway).
Personally i would be fine if the set would only DMG shields and the dmg was increased to like 3k dmg ON THE SHIELD (atleast its name shield BREAKER isnt it?)
It´s just too much unmitigated hp dmg.

I could care less about 1v1 balance. The only thing bothering me from a solo 1vx pov is that a magica sorc without healing staff is now 100% unplayable when encountering this set (which is not the case for magica templars, dks, and nightblades as they all have other means of defense than shields).

What really pisses me off is this set hardcounters the only burstheal available to my class in the role of a grp supporter and if this goes live i won´t be able to play as support anymore.

And as you have proved to us, even WITH healing staff it is as good as impossible.
Well, Sorcerer was the only class being forced to use a restoration staff since the game exists. Nothing new

It´s possible with healing springs and rapid regen. But you also have to slot purge in case your enemy has access to a healing debuff...

olsborg · August 2015

And here I was, thinking I could finally dump my healing staff and purely focus on healing with my dots/hots and Pwr Surge(since burst dmg is supposed to be lowered quite a bit) . I was so looking forward to being double destrostaff, but thats completely out of the window now, and not because most players will be able to outskill me in that build, but out-itemzation me with a poorly designed set bonus. Itemization over skill good job zos...lesigh.

Zlater · August 2015

As a sorc I really think this set is stupid, as a pvp'er I want to punch whoever came up with this idea. This means anyone that ever gets hit with obsidian shield, barrier, uses a hardening enchant, uses the synergy on magma shell is accidently hit with a healing ward or really any non-templar heal is pretty much screwwed.

Well I'm glad all of those things only effect sorcerers or this would be a stupid unavoidable or mitigatable DPS to every class crazy slaughter fest. This needs to go. Its called a shield breaker, so why not give it some sort of cooldown and let it completely negate a shield instead? There's an idea ;D

ToRelax · August 2015

Zlater wrote: »

Well I'm glad all of those things only effect sorcerers or this would be a stupid unavoidable or mitigatable DPS to every class crazy slaughter fest.

Careful what you say, ZOS may actually believe that.

Vanzen · August 2015

Dk relying on igneous shield for their heal with gdb, wich is now mandatory to expect any kind of results, are totaly screwed with this set while getting hit in melee. But on range : A dk can counter this set used by any archers by aplying igneous non stop while flapping. The Archer will kill himself with light attack if am not mistaken.

Zlater · August 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

Zlater wrote: »

Well I'm glad all of those things only effect sorcerers or this would be a stupid unavoidable or mitigatable DPS to every class crazy slaughter fest.

Careful what you say, ZOS may actually believe that.

You know I'm thinking of requesting a set that removes all damages shields from my character and makes it impossible to get shielded, something like this: I want it to be physically impossible for you to put your filthy shields on me. You sick D..k's and your shield sharing ways, don't help me, I don't want your friendly fire!

setbonus 2: -health regen
setbonus 3: let my monkey back into cyrodiil! #monkeylove
setbonus 4: consume 1 crown everytime I press 'w'
setbonus 5: negate all incoming damage shields

Should I make this a thread? or will I get banned?

BuggeX · August 2015

Vanzen wrote: »

Dk relying on igneous shield for their heal with gdb, wich is now mandatory to expect any kind of results, are totaly screwed with this set while getting hit in melee. But on range : A dk can counter this set used by any archers by aplying igneous non stop while flapping. The Archer will kill himself with light attack if am not mistaken.

well ignious shild will brake with a single LA, so there will be no problem

Xsorus · August 2015

lol, I love that there are countless suggestions to make this set pointless, my fav so far was the 4 second cool down one, because it comes even worse the it was prebuffed.

I think Sorcs should sit through a patch with this set so they ger to see what patched in skill looks like on the other side.

Derra · August 2015

Xsorus wrote: »

lol, I love that there are countless suggestions to make this set pointless, my fav so far was the 4 second cool down one, because it comes even worse the it was prebuffed.

I think Sorcs should sit through a patch with this set so they ger to see what patched in skill looks like on the other side.

So do you have a suggestion to make the set vaible without breaking healing for non templars completely or...?