Garion wrote: »

Or maybe these people can't stand the lag or 150 man EP queues on TB... seems fair enough.

Are you trying to suggest that the regular Thornblade players do like these things? You know, the ones who have homed on Thorn since Auriels Bow finished... if not, I cannot fathom the purpose of your post.

The reason for the lag is everyone in every alliance who runs around in a huge blob spamming AOE - a now well established fact.

The reason for the queues are the hundreds of EP PvEers who want to blob, quest and grind cp in the safety of a red map on the days that applies.... the queue is oddly much shorter when the map is blue or yellow. Believe me, they are more annoying to the regular players than they are to you, so again, what is the purpose of your "observation"?

Garion wrote: »

I am not entirely sure why my post warranted such a sensitive response, haha.

Well maybe aimed at an innocent target, so my apologies for that... sensitive because these things do annoy me to distraction. A "good" day for EP means I have to queue for 2 hours for my home campaign only to get in and see a locked EP population unable to mount a convincing defence when our home keeps are attacked.

And the lag, whoever is causing it...

Kris is correct tho - we do get an influx of scrub farmers from other campaigns, bringing with them their own brand of self-entitlement.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

VagabondAngel wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

Or maybe these people can't stand the lag or 150 man EP queues on TB... seems fair enough.

Are you trying to suggest that the regular Thornblade players do like these things? You know, the ones who have homed on Thorn since Auriels Bow finished... if not, I cannot fathom the purpose of your post.

The reason for the lag is everyone in every alliance who runs around in a huge blob spamming AOE - a now well established fact.

The reason for the queues are the hundreds of EP PvEers who want to blob, quest and grind cp in the safety of a red map on the days that applies.... the queue is oddly much shorter when the map is blue or yellow. Believe me, they are more annoying to the regular players than they are to you, so again, what is the purpose of your "observation"?

I am not entirely sure why my post warranted such a sensitive response, haha.

However the point of my post was to rebuff Kris' insinuation that people who choose to play on campaigns other than TB are just scrub AP farmers. That's the case for some people sure, but that is certainly not the only reason people choose to avoid TB...

Chill!

Speaking of sensitive reponses, I was specifically speaking about the EP zone chat trolls mentioned in my post. Not people who don't play on Thornblade in general.

Well I guess you can count me as one of their number, now that we have rolled EP and are busy farming scrubs on haderus.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

VagabondAngel wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

Or maybe these people can't stand the lag or 150 man EP queues on TB... seems fair enough.

Are you trying to suggest that the regular Thornblade players do like these things? You know, the ones who have homed on Thorn since Auriels Bow finished... if not, I cannot fathom the purpose of your post.

The reason for the lag is everyone in every alliance who runs around in a huge blob spamming AOE - a now well established fact.

The reason for the queues are the hundreds of EP PvEers who want to blob, quest and grind cp in the safety of a red map on the days that applies.... the queue is oddly much shorter when the map is blue or yellow. Believe me, they are more annoying to the regular players than they are to you, so again, what is the purpose of your "observation"?

I am not entirely sure why my post warranted such a sensitive response, haha.

However the point of my post was to rebuff Kris' insinuation that people who choose to play on campaigns other than TB are just scrub AP farmers. That's the case for some people sure, but that is certainly not the only reason people choose to avoid TB...

Chill!

Speaking of sensitive reponses, I was specifically speaking about the EP zone chat trolls mentioned in my post. Not people who don't play on Thornblade in general.

Well I guess you can count me as one of their number, now that we have rolled EP and are busy farming scrubs on haderus.

Haven't seen Exploiter Squad members log onto TB at night solely for the purpose of trolling fellow EP players.
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You rly have a problem with us to call us exploiter on all your post lol. Someone got farmed for too long at chalman gate.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

You rly have a problem with us to call us exploiter on all your post lol. Someone got farmed for too long at chalman gate.

Whenever I see BS members, I see at least two mundus stones and so far I've spotted one with at least three mundus stones.

This has nothing to do with your success as a group, I have stated over and over that I admire and respect the effectiveness of BS. However, the culture of exploiting that is also very present within BS is what makes you/them trash. There's probably BS members who do not partake in this culture of exploiting and I apologize to them right here.

LOL did you ever see me with 2 mundus? I never saw anyone in the group with 2 mundus (well I'vent been in game for 3 weeks but then no one was exploiting such stuff). pics pls.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

You rly have a problem with us to call us exploiter on all your post lol. Someone got farmed for too long at chalman gate.

Whenever I see BS members, I see at least two mundus stones and so far I've spotted one with at least three mundus stones.

This has nothing to do with your success as a group, I have stated over and over that I admire and respect the effectiveness of BS. However, the culture of exploiting that is also very present within BS is what makes you/them trash. There's probably BS members who do not partake in this culture of exploiting and I apologize to them right here.

LOL did you ever see me with 2 mundus? I never saw anyone in the group with 2 mundus (well I'vent been in game for 3 weeks but then no one was exploiting such stuff). pics pls.

Are you seriously going to say that you have never seen any of the BS members exploit the Mundus bug?

lol.

I am. Once again I havent been playing for 3 weeks but so far never.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

You rly have a problem with us to call us exploiter on all your post lol. Someone got farmed for too long at chalman gate.

Whenever I see BS members, I see at least two mundus stones and so far I've spotted one with at least three mundus stones.

This has nothing to do with your success as a group, I have stated over and over that I admire and respect the effectiveness of BS. However, the culture of exploiting that is also very present within BS is what makes you/them trash. There's probably BS members who do not partake in this culture of exploiting and I apologize to them right here.

LOL did you ever see me with 2 mundus? I never saw anyone in the group with 2 mundus (well I'vent been in game for 3 weeks but then no one was exploiting such stuff). pics pls.

Are you seriously going to say that you have never seen any of the BS members exploit the Mundus bug?

lol.

Tbh, I didn't know about the mundus bug up until 2 weeks ago when someone told me about it. If you don't know about it, you don't see it.
Now that I know about it, I noticed that the majority of the player base is abusing it.
In the end, I'd rather spread the info on how it's done so everyone can be on the same playing field until ZOS fixes it, because you'll never get everyone to drop their extra mundus.
Then it won't be an exploit anymore as it's not an unfair advantage

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

You rly have a problem with us to call us exploiter on all your post lol. Someone got farmed for too long at chalman gate.

Whenever I see BS members, I see at least two mundus stones and so far I've spotted one with at least three mundus stones.

This has nothing to do with your success as a group, I have stated over and over that I admire and respect the effectiveness of BS. However, the culture of exploiting that is also very present within BS is what makes you/them trash. There's probably BS members who do not partake in this culture of exploiting and I apologize to them right here.

LOL did you ever see me with 2 mundus? I never saw anyone in the group with 2 mundus (well I'vent been in game for 3 weeks but then no one was exploiting such stuff). pics pls.

Are you seriously going to say that you have never seen any of the BS members exploit the Mundus bug?

lol.

I am. Once again I havent been playing for 3 weeks but so far never.

In all honesty, you also never saw them exploit into Aleswell...

It will probably be explained as me lying my ass off in my never ending quest to make BS look bad because I am butthurt after being run over by the train.

Jump into aleswell isnt an exploit imo, just a smart use of the environment. Also never saw an organized group do it to take the keep. I dont care about your reasons, Im just starting to be bored that you repeat we're exploiters everywhere without showing any evidences.

People who scream exploit/macroer are usually the ones who get rekd and look for any excuse instead of accepting the fact they totally suck.

Just sayin'

I cant take some people seriously with cries of exploit, like when we took a scroll into alma ruma broken temple to the very top. Its clever use of envroment, everything is there for a reason, its not just to look pretty. Griefing EP at home isnt really an exploit either, its considered glitching to people with more than 10IQ and we got banned for harassment, not exploiting. The crime wasnt going there it was what we did there

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I think the best solution for me is to just give up and be a casual that sucks at the game, since to be good at this game requires me to bend my spine in ways that are impossible.

Good luck with it!

So your not changing then?

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

People who scream exploit/macroer are usually the ones who get rekd and look for any excuse instead of accepting the fact they totally suck.

Just sayin'

I honestly don't know if there are people that use macros or that appearing to be hit by 5 or more attacks in 1 second from 1 player is just a product of lagged attack catching up with itself... but there are sure as hell many exploits being abused in current PvP. It doesn't matter how you define an exploit or whether you consider using current bugged skills/mechanics as fair play, you can't either consider yourself a more skilled player simply because you choose to use them. In fact you must be less skilled to feel the need to rely on them to be successful.

Speaking as a magicka Templar who doesn't use nirnhoned armour, only has one mundus, has never glitched out of normal terrain, never hidden inside a rock, poured oil from unreachable locations but still manages to fair quite well.

Nermy wrote: »

Going back a bit, I always meant to ask you Kris, how do you know someone is using 2 mundus? Is it some sort of add-on?

You can see if people are using two mundus stones if you have this addon:

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info396-Srendarr-AuraBuffDebuffTracker.html

Although, there are people who are using legit Twice-Born star, so do factor that before accusing anyone.

ToRelax wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

Nermy wrote: »

Going back a bit, I always meant to ask you Kris, how do you know someone is using 2 mundus? Is it some sort of add-on?

You can see if people are using two mundus stones if you have this addon:

http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info396-Srendarr-AuraBuffDebuffTracker.html

Although, there are people who are using legit Twice-Born star, so do factor that before accusing anyone.

Is there a setting for that? My Srendarr only tells me the duration of debuffs/buffs I applied myself, only FTC shows me enemy buffs.

I don't remember if target buffs are shown by default or not, but you cen set Srendarr up to show you opponent's long term buffs.

In order to see them on the opponent, you have to have it set up to show them on yourself. That may also be the issue if you do not see them on opponents.