Vampires are already committed to that choice of playstyle by the fact that being a Vampire we loose Health Regen and also take more Fire Damage. I think Werewolf needing to slot Ultimate makes sense to get their passives but they also don't get any negative effects if not in Werewolf form. So why make Vampires have to slot an ability when we already have a trade off we made.
Seriously? As was said above WW have to slot an ULTIMATE! and WW don't get super sneak. Vampires really have nothing to complain about.
I'm sorry but this mentality is really bad for the community. Personally I think its stupid to slot abilities for both WW AND Vamp. It's forcing both to slot an ability which I think is not a good idea. I agree WW players have it worse than vamps however, saying that WW players have it worse so don't complain is not the right mentality...
Please, I am sorry you are offended by someone who thinks differently than you. WW do not get super stealth speed and will have to slot an ultimate, Vampires from day one have always been a much more effective class. That I point this out and point out that vampires have it better is not a bad mentally, enough with the thought police already.
Life is not about telling others how to think so I would appreciate it if you would refrain from doing so. You can disagree with me and that is great but you have no right to tell me how to think.
Vampires are already committed to that choice of playstyle by the fact that being a Vampire we loose Health Regen and also take more Fire Damage. I think Werewolf needing to slot Ultimate makes sense to get their passives but they also don't get any negative effects if not in Werewolf form. So why make Vampires have to slot an ability when we already have a trade off we made.
Seriously? As was said above WW have to slot an ULTIMATE! and WW don't get super sneak. Vampires really have nothing to complain about.
I'm sorry but this mentality is really bad for the community. Personally I think its stupid to slot abilities for both WW AND Vamp. It's forcing both to slot an ability which I think is not a good idea. I agree WW players have it worse than vamps however, saying that WW players have it worse so don't complain is not the right mentality...
Please, I am sorry you are offended by someone who thinks differently than you. WW do not get super stealth speed and will have to slot an ultimate, Vampires from day one have always been a much more effective class. That I point this out and point out that vampires have it better is not a bad mentally, enough with the thought police already.
Life is not about telling others how to think so I would appreciate it if you would refrain from doing so. You can disagree with me and that is great but you have no right to tell me how to think.
Thanks for your concern but I am not offended. I'm sorry you felt I was telling you what to think, which was not my intention. You are telling me not to tell you what to think but its ok for you to tell OP what to think? Take your own advice my friend.
Here is your post:
"Seriously? As was said above WW have to slot an ULTIMATE! and WW don't get super sneak. Vampires really have nothing to complain about. "
Seems like your telling OP not to complain about Vamps because WW got it worse.... This type of reply does nothing to contribute to this thread.
Thanks for reading.
Dude, vampires have three abilities, if you become a vampire without using a single ability then you clearly don't need the skill line.
Having the diseases (ww/vamp) just for the passives is quite boring and I'm glad that they made this change, not like it changes anything really but we won't be seeing as many ww's as we have today.
This is the most ridiculous post I've ever seen.
In your opinion, not using the active skills on the line is boring and therefore people should be forced to use them.
So by all means, elaborate why on earth you need a skill line if you don't intend to use the skills unless it's for RP reasons.
Do you honestly find that those make up for the lack of health regen and the fire weakness? Because I just don't see it... If you're not going to use at least one of the Vampire active abilities, Vampirism is strictly a disadvantage.Why would you even be a Vampire if you're not going to slot a Vampire ability? Unlike Werewolves (currently, anyway - this won't apply after the big patch) who have benefits just for being Werewolves, with no penalties, the penalties for being a Vampire outweigh the benefits unless you're going to be using Vampire skills...
So I really fail to see how having to slot a skill is a hardship for Vampires, considering there's no point in being a Vampire anyway if you're not using the skills.
I became vamp because I'm a magicka nightblade and I like the movement speed increase while stealthed and the Magick regen passive.
So by all means, elaborate why on earth you need a skill line if you don't intend to use the skills unless it's for RP reasons.
I'm using the passive skills.
Regardless, why should I be required to justify why I want the skill line. In what sane reality should someone have to use the active skill to gain the racial benefit of the vampire? If I'm taking the Health regen reduction and the massive fire damage and the fighters guild vulnerability, I think it's fair that I get 10% stam and magicka.
which is why they shouldn't take it. It was never an unreasonable vulnerability, making the passives a base and slotting actives for bonus would be reasonable, requiring the actives for the passives to work is silly.
Which again takes us back to everyone running around as vampires and werewolf's just for obtaining the passives, with the reduction to fire damage taken vampire's would be even more common than they already are.
The changes coming to Vampires SUCK. As a magicka Templar I chose to become a Vampire SPECIFICALLY for the regen passives. Do I have room on my bar(S) for a Vampire ability, no. Not without sacrificing something I actually NEED on my bar(S). As a Vampire I constantly take more damage from fire attacks as well as the loss of health regen, because I am 100% of the time a Vampire. There's no transformation, this is now my full being. Does it make sense that I dont feel certain effects because I chose to not have Vampire specific abilities slotted? Absolutely not when I am 100% of the time in game a Vampire.
So by all means, elaborate why on earth you need a skill line if you don't intend to use the skills unless it's for RP reasons.
I'm using the passive skills.
Regardless, why should I be required to justify why I want the skill line. In what sane reality should someone have to use the active skill to gain the racial benefit of the vampire? If I'm taking the Health regen reduction and the massive fire damage and the fighters guild vulnerability, I think it's fair that I get 10% stam and magicka.
Vampires are already committed to that choice of playstyle by the fact that being a Vampire we loose Health Regen and also take more Fire Damage. I think Werewolf needing to slot Ultimate makes sense to get their passives but they also don't get any negative effects if not in Werewolf form. So why make Vampires have to slot an ability when we already have a trade off we made.
Why would you even be a Vampire if you're not going to slot a Vampire ability? Unlike Werewolves (currently, anyway - this won't apply after the big patch) who have benefits just for being Werewolves, with no penalties, the penalties for being a Vampire outweigh the benefits unless you're going to be using Vampire skills...
So I really fail to see how having to slot a skill is a hardship for Vampires, considering there's no point in being a Vampire anyway if you're not using the skills.
Why would you even be a Vampire if you're not going to slot a Vampire ability? Unlike Werewolves (currently, anyway - this won't apply after the big patch) who have benefits just for being Werewolves, with no penalties, the penalties for being a Vampire outweigh the benefits unless you're going to be using Vampire skills...
So I really fail to see how having to slot a skill is a hardship for Vampires, considering there's no point in being a Vampire anyway if you're not using the skills.
By that logic there's no point in being a Werewolf if you don't transform.
And there shouldn't be any point in being a Werewolf if you don't transform...Why would you even be a Vampire if you're not going to slot a Vampire ability? Unlike Werewolves (currently, anyway - this won't apply after the big patch) who have benefits just for being Werewolves, with no penalties, the penalties for being a Vampire outweigh the benefits unless you're going to be using Vampire skills...
So I really fail to see how having to slot a skill is a hardship for Vampires, considering there's no point in being a Vampire anyway if you're not using the skills.
By that logic there's no point in being a Werewolf if you don't transform.
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Yea and every cat in every town should jump on WW faces doing 9k damage per sec!wafcatb14_ESO wrote: »They Need to make Vampires Kos to all guards and Npc won`t interact with them in stage 4.
^ This^
Vampire's at least have useful abilities. Bat Swarm is always useful. Mist form is... meh to me since you dont regen Magicka when in mist form. as for Drain Essence, it use to suck. but with the upcoming changes on PTS, it looks like it will become a viable skill for heal/damage/stun.
simena9292 wrote: »Can i just slot the ultimate bat swarm or so it have to be a normal ability?
Vampire's at least have useful abilities. Bat Swarm is always useful. Mist form is... meh to me since you dont regen Magicka when in mist form. as for Drain Essence, it use to suck. but with the upcoming changes on PTS, it looks like it will become a viable skill for heal/damage/stun.
The three second channel time worries me though and will keep me from putting it into my DPS rotation. Guess I will have to find a place on my bar for mist form >.<
People need to realize that werewolf and vampire are curses intended not as free mandatory bonuses everyone should have, but for people intending to use them for whatever reason (like fun). They're not meant to be mandatory/must have for everyone. They are supposed to stay uncommon. And these changes help that goal.