Console text chat discussion
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭I just want to say I love the clean interface which would be ruined with a chat box. Being able to form a group of players for PvP without needing a third party voice program is the best thing ever also very nice for groups. There is the occasional annoyance in town with some one leaving their mic on with a crying baby etc but honestly less and less problems as players learn mic etiquette.
Yeah. The people complaining about needing text chat don't get that the console version is made well.
I am a console player and feel the same amount of annoying discomfort trying to wasd . To me using random buttons on a keyboard just because its where your fingers fell seems sloppy and demonstrates a lack of consideration for the comfort of the player. It is an inferior control scheme in my opinion, but hey, its when in Rome, right?
I have never taken to the forums to try to force a wasd driven game to switch because i couldn't wrap my head around the well crafted system.
It seems petty and short sighted on the part of the text chat crowd to beg zos to delay future dlc in favor of making the console version foolishly attempt to pretend to be the PC version.
Its not. Text chat is tacky and looks ugly.
Togglinging it off will split the community that is already very friendly and fun.
Many reclusive people and shy players are coming out of their shells and engaging with other players on console.
Area voice chat, like most people, can suck sometimes, but usually ends up being awesome.
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✭It's not well-crafted though, that's the problem.
VOIP is shoehorned into a game that was designed to be based on text-based chat systems being present, but they are no longer present and now a lot of the systems that were dependent upon communications reaching a MUCH larger portion of the in-game player base do not work smoothly.
You seem to keep ignoring this fact.
VOIP is a great idea, but the game wasn't designed around it being the sole method of communication. It was well-crafted when all of the parts synergized correctly.
They don't anymore on consoles.
PS) The team that would be working on UI functions is not the same team that would be working on DLC / future content. It doesn't sound like you know how game development actually works, so why even mention it? : /
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭So after all of these pages we can conclude that there is no valid argument against the addition of text chat.
In all. Of these pages there has been no valid argument why the the forums could not be used a a second screen experience to answer all the complaints listed here.
And save development cash.
And keep the tacky text chat off the screen.
See two people can make dismissive arguments.1 -
Junglejim82✭✭✭mrskinskull wrote: »
I was going to refute your arguments or maybe just offer a 'hang in there' but maybe the community would be better off without such negative players. I can complain about anyththing. We have that in common.
You seem to have made the point that PC is better at memo cookie cutter than console. Wow. Pc has more features than a console translation? You've really cracked a code here, bud. The console version is tailored to the console crowd.
The PC and mmo hard cores will prob always feel a bit uncomfortable with a different set up.
Cheers.
No the point about PC isn't that they're better at cookie cutter at all. PC have had a year and the tools at their disposal to find the best most efficient builds therefore the only informed info will come from them. Nobody on PS4 can explain properly their own dps build in any way other than they like it or it SEEMS to do well. If we had numbers ourselves we could do the number crunching ourselves but we don't and PC do.
Who is the console crowd you refer to? I'm on Console they're not catering to me or any of my guild nice Generalization there bud . Never been a PC player although I spent plenty of time Playing an mmo . Have you previously played one? This game would be a helluva lot better with the OPTIONS I spoke of and for a large amount of players . Nothing is requested as mandatory. If my tone is negative it's because it's warranted . It's called feedback I was spoiled previously by a dev team that embraced it's customers and responded to feedback so exuse me if I offer constructive criticism and naively think it might get read .
I'd have much preferred you tried to refute instead of generalizing the player base and bait me with your nonsense. Give a valid argument against these requests as options ? I don't feel uncomfortable with a different setup I feel disappointed why wouldn't we expect the same features to carry on to console ? As for complaining for the sake of it people that just dislike the game don't post on forums they play something else. Maybe little big planet is more up the street of people that don't want to have optional mmo features in an mmo. See I can generalize too . Criticism on forums is in the hope of positive change
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HexWeaver✭✭The people arguing that the game SHOULDN'T have text chat, you're just being difficult for the sake of it.
A LOT of us want text chat, i'd love this game so much more if I didn't have to talk on mic or listen to people burp and fart in Area chat, on my first night playing I walked past a person and he was... pleasuring himself, everyone nearby could hear it.
If they add text chat, it won't affect you voice chatters, you can just switch it off and carry on pretending you're playing Destiny or whatever you lot usually play.
As someone pointed out, this game was built originally for text chat, the way it is the game feels very fragmented and isolated, for every person on mic there's several more that don't want to use mic for various reasons but are unable to communicate because of it.
Quit being so selfish your arguments are hilariously bad.Edited by HexWeaver on June 28, 2015 7:25PM8 -
Amiculi✭✭✭Junglejim82 wrote: »
No the point about PC isn't that they're better at cookie cutter at all. PC have had a year and the tools at their disposal to find the best most efficient builds therefore the only informed info will come from them. Nobody on PS4 can explain properly their own dps build in any way other than they like it or it SEEMS to do well. If we had numbers ourselves we could do the number crunching ourselves but we don't and PC do.
Who is the console crowd you refer to? I'm on Console they're not catering to me or any of my guild nice Generalization there bud . Never been a PC player although I spent plenty of time Playing an mmo . Have you previously played one? This game would be a helluva lot better with the OPTIONS I spoke of and for a large amount of players . Nothing is requested as mandatory. If my tone is negative it's because it's warranted . It's called feedback I was spoiled previously by a dev team that embraced it's customers and responded to feedback so exuse me if I offer constructive criticism and naively think it might get read .
I'd have much preferred you tried to refute instead of generalizing the player base and bait me with your nonsense. Give a valid argument against these requests as options ? I don't feel uncomfortable with a different setup I feel disappointed why wouldn't we expect the same features to carry on to console ? As for complaining for the sake of it people that just dislike the game don't post on forums they play something else. Maybe little big planet is more up the street of people that don't want to have optional mmo features in an mmo. See I can generalize too . Criticism on forums is in the hope of positive change
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LittleBigPlanet has text chat support. Has since the first one. They wouldn't be able to handle it. Also, way too much creative individual freedom.2 -
mrskinskull✭✭✭✭defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »No text chat for consoles. there is the same amount of spam, negative remarks etc etc in text chat as there are in vc. Too many 'expert typist' having 2000 wpm convos (along with the lfg lfg wts wtb wtb, best prices for ESO gold around yada yada) in text, is not wat the console master-race ppl want. Stop wat ur doing, scroll up and up and up then go to reply to something u want to respond to, only to find the convo has changed 20 times since
Make friends, group up, join a guild, and use those voice chat channels if area chat bothers u that much..on the console. lots of kool gamers rollin PS4 and voice chatting, wanting to have fun and roll this
Before the 'there's text chat channels for the lfg, wts/wtb' peeps chime in...we all know just how well ppl abide by using the proper channels
PC has text chat, not sure why ppl bother to get the console version knowing text was not a option, then complain? It was known in enough time before the 9th that text for console was not available.
I hate fp view, so I don't buy cod etc and complain about no 3rd person view available....I just buy a game with 3rd person view and roll.
Mic up, guild up, group up and hav fun
Sorry to quote you but I 100 percent agree. Well said. I am enjoying my area chat on consoles, I NEVER have problems doing dungeons with friends.
Last night I wanted to PvP. I went to area chat and stated specifically what I was doing and guess what happened?
Fun. Easy awesome wall shattering, catapult firing, PvP murdering fun.
Cheers.
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✭mrskinskull wrote: »
In all. Of these pages there has been no valid argument why the the forums could not be used a a second screen experience to answer all the complaints listed here.
"trading threads aren't allowed on our forums." - ZOS
That's why.
Edited by Varicite on June 28, 2015 7:29PM2 -
slipHAZARD✭✭✭mrskinskull wrote: »
In all. Of these pages there has been no valid argument why the the forums could not be used a a second screen experience to answer all the complaints listed here.
And save development cash.
And keep the tacky text chat off the screen.
See two people can make dismissive arguments.
"why the the forums could not be used a a second screen experience"
In game text chat is: Quicker, more convenient, does not require a secondary device and provides on the fly conversations
"And save development cash"
It's called the cost of doing business. Providing your customers with the level of quality and features they've come to expect. Especially such prominent main stays such as In Game Text Chat that is in every other MMO (including their very on PC version). Also it's the very reason they have ESO Plus and the Crown Store, to earn money in which to create a better gaming experience.
"And keep the tacky text chat off the screen."
Easy fix is make text chat optional. You don't like it, turn it off, done.
In closing, dude just stop. You're clearly grasping at straws and either you can't comprehend simple logic and rationality or you're just here to flat out troll. Either way just stop.__---> Just My Opinion <---__
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CuteLilBunny✭✭Careful I made a post about adding chat boxes, it got locked after it turned into a war.Shouriko Dark Elf Ebonheart Pact
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im already bored of this game because i have hit vr4 and there is nothing to do except grind quests. Group finder does not work so thats out of the question. Without keyboard and text chat there is no way for me to sell my crafting services or to find groups veteran dungeons with. like many others will probably quit the game due to having nothing to do if text chat is not implemented. Whats going to happen when i hit vr14 and theres still no text chat and group finders still broken?. There will literally be nothing to do except make a new character and do it all again... without text chat and a working group finder.3
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ZOS_UlyssesW✭✭✭Hello folks.
We've removed several comments from this thread that were violating our Code of Conduct or otherwise were not in line with our Community Vision. We ask that everyone stay on topic, and refrain from posting personal attacks, baiting or mocking other players concerns. We appreciate feedback from all of our players, and we ask that others do not dissuade community members from sharing their feedback. Thank you for your understanding.Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on June 28, 2015 8:10PM0 -
Consoles need text chat, simple as. It's a fact that some people just aren't very comfortable speaking down a mic to others, and because of that they are missing out on interacting with the player base which is a shame. I know this because I'm one of those people. The first thing I do when logging in is leave the voice channels. It's just how I am.
Like the OP wrote, the text chat box could be made optional. If you don't want it on your screen then turn it off. I can't see that being a problem.Edited by Nine-Eight-Nine on June 28, 2015 8:14PM6 -
Amiculi✭✭✭ZOS_UlyssesW wrote: »Hello folks.
We've removed several comments from this thread that were violating our Code of Conduct or otherwise were not in line with our Community Vision. We ask that everyone stay on topic, and refrain from posting personal attacks, baiting or mocking other players concerns. We appreciate feedback from all of our players, and we ask that others do not dissuade community members from sharing their feedback. Thank you for your understanding.
I would ask that you get someone involved with development to make a statement so we can finally be done with this.2 -
CriD✭✭✭Mrskinskull, you toxic poster you. Yes your right, voice chat is not a problem in dungeons or when you are with a group, actually it works just fine. But what about trading. My issues occur when I'm in town, or near the outskirts, or in a heavily populated zone.
But I must ask one thing, if you are so pro voice, and it will stay if text is implemented, why ate you even here. If you don't want text when it comes, turn it off, us text chat users will trade and group in peace.
But honestly, if its not an issue for you, why do you keep posting in here, I've seen you post and belittle others. Why? Its toxic members like you that make anything hard to obtain when asking for fixes it bettering the game.
You obviously have no reason to care as you will still have your voice chat. So ignore all else and answer this question.
Why are you here trolling?2 -
CuteLilBunny✭✭Mrskinskull, you toxic poster you. Yes your right, voice chat is not a problem in dungeons or when you are with a group, actually it works just fine. But what about trading. My issues occur when I'm in town, or near the outskirts, or in a heavily populated zone.
But I must ask one thing, if you are so pro voice, and it will stay if text is implemented, why ate you even here. If you don't want text when it comes, turn it off, us text chat users will trade and group in peace.
But honestly, if its not an issue for you, why do you keep posting in here, I've seen you post and belittle others. Why? Its toxic members like you that make anything hard to obtain when asking for fixes it bettering the game.
You obviously have no reason to care as you will still have your voice chat. So ignore all else and answer this question.
Why are you here trolling?
This is what he did in my post, him and another got it locked, I just gave up and made it a lol post.
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Zensonar✭✭✭
1. Trading is not allowed on the forums.mrskinskull wrote: »
In all. Of these pages there has been no valid argument why the the forums could not be used a a second screen experience to answer all the complaints listed here.
2. Not everyone who is playing the console version has a PC or second screen.
3. It does not bode well for a console game when you need another piece of expensive hardware to do things other games in the genre do as a basic standard feature.
4. Contrary to what you say, it doesn't actually address the most important issues raised. Certainly not as conveniently and effectively as plain old ordinary in-game text chat would do.
5. Are you nuts? Nobody thinks that's a good idea. What were you thinking when you typed it?
So there's a few arguments.
I just had this crazy thought that you were actually a shill for the developers who has the job of proving to the console player base that text chat isn't needed. But then I realised that no legit MMORPG developer worth their salt would deny the practicality and convenience of text chat. Nor would they deny how essential text-based communication is to the longevity of their MMORPG. So... scrap that thought.mrskinskull wrote: »And save development cash.
You mean like the large letters of someone's name that are on your screen when someone is using voice chat? People who are allergic to text on their screen are out of luck either way.mrskinskull wrote: »And keep the tacky text chat off the screen.
You can make arguments, sure. But it's another thing to make thoughtful and valid arguments that stand up to scrutiny. Yours are not.mrskinskull wrote: »See two people can make dismissive arguments.
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Neirymn✭✭✭✭Relax!
People has the right to think text chat is not needed for consoles as people has the right to think it is needed. No one has absolute truth and we all have different needs and different ways to enjoy a game. 
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Zensonar✭✭✭
... which is why people want the addition of text chat, and why the lack of it is a problem.Relax! People has the right to think text chat is not needed for consoles as people has the right to think it is needed. No one has absolute truth and we all have different needs and different ways to enjoy a game.
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Neirymn✭✭✭✭... which is why people want the addition of text chat, and why the lack of it is a problem.
I understand that, I'm not using voice chat because that's just not how I like to play but I won't get mad at others who are thinking there's no need for it as they don't need it. It's pointless as we'll never agree with each other. Peace. xD1 -
Whats their statement on this? I would really like to know if they are planning on integrating it.0
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Zensonar✭✭✭
I don't understand what your point is. Are you saying that people are wrong for asking for the addition of text chat?I understand that, I'm not using voice chat because that's just not how I like to play but I won't get mad at others who are thinking there's no need for it as they don't need it. It's pointless as we'll never agree with each other. Peace. xD
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Neirymn✭✭✭✭I don't understand what your point is. Are you saying that people are wrong for asking for the addition of text chat?
No, I'm not saying that people are wrong for asking for that addition, I want it too, neither I'm saying that people are wrong for not wanting text chat to be added. That's just a matter of opinion and people shouldn't get mad because some people disagree with them, that's all.
Both sides have their reasons, who am I to say if those reasons are legitimate or not? I found good points on both sides even though I don't like voice chat at all and will never use it. I can understand that it suits the needs of some players, that doesn't mean they're wrong because it doesn't suit our needs and that doesn't mean they are right for telling there's no need for a text chat. I think that we need to be more tolerant and that we've better things to do than wasting our time fighting each other to know who's right and who's not, it's endless thus futile in my opinion. Let's be happy!
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✭✭✭✭✭Thumbdunked wrote: »
The last person that posted this was lying so unless you have a link and a time stamp ill continue wait until they make a post on their offical forums
This suggests you don't listen to the developers.
The website has all the recorded Twitch feeds. Check April n May and update/inform yourselves.
This topic and those that are locked is beating a dead horse.
Zenimax may be open to hearing feedback but from what was shared, they've made their decision.
Please don't take the attitude of show me or I don't believe you. This is not a good pattern considering the information has been out there for weeks/month now
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Their statement had nothing to do with text chat, it was gameplay input. However they're bringing controller support and voice chat to PC so the argument is moot on two levels. One that they never said they were fully against voice chat and a second where PC is getting that same split of communications and input.
[Edit: it is notable that text chat is primarily used outside of combat for organization and to poll larger groups with questions. It also leaves a provable trail for reporting reasons if someone is being a turd.]
Their statement is 100% about text chat. It couldn't be taken in any other way because it's addressed in two different Twitch feeds leading up to console release.
Please go watch them if you haven't done so because based on your comment above, you have not if that is your take on the subject.
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Amiculi✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Their statement is 100% about text chat. It couldn't be taken in any other way because it's addressed in two different Twitch feeds leading up to console release.
Please go watch them if you haven't done so because based on your comment above, you have not if that is your take on the subject.
I went through the one that was mentioned as having said statement. It was about gameplay input. Which is utterly moot because they're bringing controller support AND VOIP to PC meaning that the idea of 'wanting everyone on equal footing' is demonstrably false.
Bring forth this proof. Render hence the evidence. I keep hearing about this clear cut and obvious statement but no one can produce it.1 -
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It doesn't, it just makes those who aren't in a PvP guild free AP for those who are. : P
They also said that they were open to having some form of text communication on consoles, even if it isn't exactly a text chatbox.
Also, you don't get to denote when "The End" is for ANY discussion, so get off your high horse, please. Clearly, ZOS values the discussion on the merits for and against (which you aren't adding to in any shape or form, surprise surprise), which is why they have funneled all responses into a single thread that they have been keeping an eye on.
There are plenty of pros to a form of viable text-based chat of some form and really not very many cons.
The population is already separated between those who use VOIP and those who turn it off the second they log in because it's unpleasant to be bombarded w/ the types of noise pollution that often comes through in area chat.
They've added the radial pre-text and also addressed this now two or three times.
My comment does allow me to share and inform those who may not have watched those feeds or who may have been lead to believe otherwise based on the many off base comments in this thread.
They've said they are open to the communities feedback and continue this type of listening ear on multiple topics. On this topic they've also shared a few times their intent, direction, reasoning and future thoughts on forms of console communication.
You n I have gone back n forth on this many times but after their multiple statements since April, I'd hope that many choose to share feedback but not to lead others to believe ZOS is even considering changing their stance as they've communicated their decisions already. Nothing suggested adding this feature but only that they are looking into adding more pre-text emotes only.
If you've not watched the feeds, please go do so
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I went through the one that was mentioned as having said statement. It was about gameplay input. Which is utterly moot because they're bringing controller support AND VOIP to PC meaning that the idea of 'wanting everyone on equal footing' is demonstrably false.
Bring forth this proof. Render hence the evidence. I keep hearing about this clear cut and obvious statement but no one can produce it.
Just adding in:
The stream I was supplied with was this one, it was stated as being the definitive word on text chat:
https://youtu.be/M3D4SZuLFT8
I watched the entire thing, the only mention of keyboard and mouse occurs at 39:44, quote:
Question: Given the differences between the respective input devices in terms of speed and accuracy, i.e., a controller vs a keyboard and mouse, how do you plan to balance PvE difficulty between consoles and PC/Mac? Is it possible to lower or raise content difficulty for one server for instance?
Answer: In testing we found that with practice players were able to complete the toughest content in the game with both of the different input methods, so controller for console and PC's keyboard/mouse combo. It's not impossible for us to make those different settings for the differnet platforms but we kinda think it's better to make the same game for everybody so that it's even, so, uh, you know, that way it's you know, cool, cool for all? I dunno? You know what I mean?
Nothing about communication, specifically about gameplay input. They also plan to bring VOIP and controller to PC and, guess what, not all PC users have controllers or mics so I guess that answer isn't applicable even to itself. The question was actually in regards to difficulty variance and wanting faster/more precise inputs on console for combat OR scaled difficulty to accommodate. THAT is what they were stating they weren't planning to do.
It had nothing to do with text comms.
So if there's another stream, please supply it and a timestamp with the statement refuting any intentions for text chat.2 -
Thumbdunked✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
They've added the radial pre-text and also addressed this now two or three times.
My comment does allow me to share and inform those who may not have watched those feeds or who may have been lead to believe otherwise based on the many off base comments in this thread.
They've said they are open to the communities feedback and continue this type of listening ear on multiple topics. On this topic they've also shared a few times their intent, direction, reasoning and future thoughts on forms of console communication.
You n I have gone back n forth on this many times but after their multiple statements since April, I'd hope that many choose to share feedback but not to lead others to believe ZOS is even considering changing their stance as they've communicated their decisions already. Nothing suggested adding this feature but only that they are looking into adding more pre-text emotes only.
If you've not watched the feeds, please go do so
Like isaid before if your going to refrence videos in your posts then include a a date and time stamp. The one i think your talking about in no ways discuses text chat.0
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