Plz remove champions points

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

halfbadger wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Again more exaggeration. They wont deal twice as much damage. They wont have twice the health. CP doesnt give you all that.

http://i.imgur.com/Vz5xdL0.jpg

That was done with 0 CPs and combat prayer.

http://i.imgur.com/GxBr2iH.jpg

That was done with 3600 CPs, without combat prayer and with the wrong mundus stone.

You can get 1.495 times the max hp from the champion system and atleast 25% reduction to damage taken. 1.5/0.75=2 effective health.

With 3600 points tho. Thats what you are missing. Even then its not twice the health even after spenidng 3600 friggin points. Again your argument is ludicrous. Even after spending what 1.5 years of played time (meaning time spent in the game) you woudlnt have but 1.5%. So ya exactly as I said. the CP system doesnt overpower anyone.

As far as your examples not very scientific at all. We dont know what controls were used. We dont know anything. So ya sorry if I dont buy the staged and biased "evidence".

This guy still arguing about fact.

somone took his time , went on ptr , made 2 character , test dps on bloodspawn . Prooved its a 100% dps buff , and prooved its 2x the effective health. Yet still arguing fact.

Lol to this guy.

He has proved nothing other than he can fake photos and stage a supposed study. Even then he has 3600 points. Noone will have 3600 points for a couple years so your worries about the poor casuals and the poor new people are unwarranted.

LaughingJack · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »

I don't get it. The other thread you cried in wasn't enough? Spend less time creating duplicate "it's special b/c I created it" thread versions and more time playing. Jesus no wonder you have no CP's.

I have no Cp'S? i am vr 14 with over 2.5k spell power sorc and 50% crit. 34k magika I have the valkyn monster set. and i have over 150 champions points.

And ill create a new thread each week until they finally remove them because its broken for a mmo

OMG! have you nothing else to do but complain? you get more(different) points to spend on your already mature build, then announce to everyone your proposed trolling because You don't like it ?!

i have been playing since beta, have a main at V4 and have only got about 17 CP to spend. am i complaining? No! im not because the CP system gives everyone the ability to vary their character build in another way, to flesh it out in more interesting and possibly useful ways. i would love 150CP, the things i could do . . .

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

LaughingJack wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »

I don't get it. The other thread you cried in wasn't enough? Spend less time creating duplicate "it's special b/c I created it" thread versions and more time playing. Jesus no wonder you have no CP's.

I have no Cp'S? i am vr 14 with over 2.5k spell power sorc and 50% crit. 34k magika I have the valkyn monster set. and i have over 150 champions points.

And ill create a new thread each week until they finally remove them because its broken for a mmo

OMG! have you nothing else to do but complain? you get more(different) points to spend on your already mature build, then announce to everyone your proposed trolling because You don't like it ?!

i have been playing since beta, have a main at V4 and have only got about 17 CP to spend. am i complaining? No! im not because the CP system gives everyone the ability to vary their character build in another way, to flesh it out in more interesting and possibly useful ways. i would love 150CP, the things i could do . . .

You will have plenty of CP the more you level. I have 172 so far and I dont even play that much.

halfbadger · June 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Again we only have your word. You could have taken all the guys armor off first etc. So sorry but again this proves nothing. Even if I do take your word for it (which I dont) you are saying if you have spent every point possible you get a whole 50% more health. Gee thats hardly overpowering.

15k dps with no armour on would be amazing!

Double your effective health and double your damage when you have 3000 points is very overpowered.
A and B have the exact same build.
Person A has 0 CPs so they deal 1 dmg per hit and have 100 hp
Person B has 3000 CPs so they deal 2 dmg per hit and have 200 hp
It will take A 200 hits to kill B
It will take B 50 hits to kill A
So B is 4 times more effective as A.
"Gee thats hardly overpowering"

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

Zzzz again more of the same hyperbole.

halfbadger · June 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

He has proved nothing other than he can fake photos and stage a supposed study. Even then he has 3600 points. Noone will have 3600 points for a couple years so your worries about the poor casuals and the poor new people are unwarranted.

In the 3 months that the champion sys has been out people have gained over 600 CPs. These people have gained CPs at a rate of 200 per month.
With the new exp boosters those people will now be gaining 300 CPs per month.
The last 600 CPs are almost completely useless so they need to gain 3000-700=2300 CPs to be maxed.
At the rate they have been going it will take them 2300/300=7.667 months to reach 3k CPs.
ZOS have said they are going to increase exp gains so that number of less than 8 months may lower.

halfbadger · June 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Zzzz again more of the same hyperbole.

I am not exaggerating anything.
You should be able to look at my calculations and numbers and see where they were derived from. Unless you are unable to use the addition, subtraction, multiplication and division functions in which case I will guide you through.

anitajoneb17_ESO · June 2015

halfbadger wrote: »

In the 3 months that the champion sys has been out people have gained over 600 CPs. These people have gained CPs at a rate of 200 per month.

Stop repeating this false assertion over and over again, please. Noone has gained that much XP, except PERHAPS ONE person who's probably suffering from mental exhaustion and sleep deprivation, should the screenshot not be a fake.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

halfbadger wrote: »

In the 3 months that the champion sys has been out people have gained over 600 CPs. These people have gained CPs at a rate of 200 per month.

Stop repeating this false assertion over and over again, please. Noone has gained that much XP, except PERHAPS ONE person who's probably suffering from mental exhaustion and sleep deprivation, should the screenshot not be a fake.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Wasting your time man. Luckily for us ZOS knows the real numbers and balances off more than just feelings.

BurtFreeman · June 2015

I suggest at people do not like CP, like me, to end this discussion, just becouse some of us do not like hear any reason or suggestion. you could walk a full life in this path to find yourself at the starting point, just before you die.
some time the power is just in giving up discussion and giving up the game, as the only suggestion i got from this statics players.

good night, good buy (intentional)

Dixa · June 2015

champion points are "broken for an mmo"?

have we already forgotten about AA in everquest and everquest 2?

really compared to how other mmorpg's have implemented an alternate advancement point system, this one is pretty tame. what you are seeing is small percentage bumps exacerbating pre-existing relative power differences between the classes and builds, nothing more.

Dixa · June 2015

BurtFreeman wrote: »

I suggest at people do not like CP, like me, to end this discussion, just becouse some of us do not like hear any reason or suggestion. you could walk a full life in this path to find yourself at the starting point, just before you die.
some time the power is just in giving up discussion and giving up the game, as the only suggestion i got from this statics players.

good night, good buy (intentional)

you are welcome to not like it, and to stop playing the game because of it.

i can guarantee you that more people like the thought of being able to increase character power after level cap beyond just getting new gear than do not. no mmorpg is going to cater to 100% of it's playerbase, but to say anyone who disagrees with you is being unreasonable is actually quite irrational.

Leandor · June 2015

halfbadger wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Exaggeration. You cannot perma block, perma dodge nor have infinite magicka. If you want to be taken seriously you cannot make outlandish statements like this.

You are wong.

You could perma block in 1.5 and you still can.
There is a video of someone perma dodging on youtube taken on the pts.
People have builds that never run out of magicka.

Please. You could "perma block" in 1.5 because you could build a decent char with loads of stamina & enough magicka to support damage. That was called a "hybrid" build. You can't do that in 1.6 to the same efficiency, because you will either run out of resources too fast or your damage will be ridiculous.

"Perma dodge" or "perma block" is also not permanent but "longer than your opponent needs to deplete their resources", which then allows you to retaliate while he can't defend. The better your opponent manages his resources, the less effective will that defensive strategy be.

Molsondry · June 2015

Dixa wrote: »

BurtFreeman wrote: »

I suggest at people do not like CP, like me, to end this discussion, just becouse some of us do not like hear any reason or suggestion. you could walk a full life in this path to find yourself at the starting point, just before you die.
some time the power is just in giving up discussion and giving up the game, as the only suggestion i got from this statics players.

good night, good buy (intentional)

you are welcome to not like it, and to stop playing the game because of it.

i can guarantee you that more people like the thought of being able to increase character power after level cap beyond just getting new gear than do not. no mmorpg is going to cater to 100% of it's playerbase, but to say anyone who disagrees with you is being unreasonable is actually quite irrational.

If this is true .

May I ask you then : Why is WoW still the most lucrative , played and popular MMOrpg out there ?

For what I know In wow in 1 week if you really want it you can be max lvl and on par (same gear) with everybody in pvp.

And for pve its about 1 month and a half to be on par (same gear) then most of the players, because theya dded so much catch up mechanics for pve too just like the Mythic piece(best pve gear in game and Bound on pickup too ..) of loot you can get weekly from your garrison free.

So tell me my friend If everyone like the taught of "being able to increase character power after level cap beyond just getting new gear than do not" why is eso so unpopular?

Why did they barely show up (from the ZenHQ in and empty office)in e3 2015 ?

Why havent Eso dethrone Wow Yet if everyone like this concept?

Why isnt Diablo 3 the most played game of blizzard? Tell me?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

Dixa wrote: »

champion points are "broken for an mmo"?

have we already forgotten about AA in everquest and everquest 2?

really compared to how other mmorpg's have implemented an alternate advancement point system, this one is pretty tame. what you are seeing is small percentage bumps exacerbating pre-existing relative power differences between the classes and builds, nothing more.

I think most of the complaints either come from people new to MMOs or some from people who play other games and want ESO to be like those other games. ESO is not like those other games. Plus the most popular mmo has lost millions of subscribers by letting people advance too quickly. Some get mad they invested time others did not have to and quit. Yet more got bored because everything was handed to them in a week and they also left.

Yasha · June 2015

I don't know how CP will effect the game over the long run, taking into account PVE balance and the like; but I do know that in non-vet pvp campaigns CP is further widening the gap between players- to an almost "broken" level.

Before CP, or when most people had only limited CP, you gained relative power in non-vet through skills unlocked, access to food/potions, and in a very limited way from gear. The rest was down to tactics, player skill, and numbers. This was very enjoyable and constituted one of the best RvR systems I have ever played.

However, now more and more I see players able to 5vs1 (or more), small groups of OP players taking out large groups etc, in other words the beauty of non-vet campaigns (the relatively skill based, balanced fights) has been eroded. From that perspective, I would prefer no CP in non-vet campaigns.

olemanwinter · June 2015

The champion system needs a serious rework because IT DOES NOT represent "character advancement".

Been to a grinding spot lately to level? It's full of VR14s with max gear and min/max builds grinding out even more CP killing every mob in site as fast as they can spawn. I haven't experienced anything like this since the BOTS at launch.

Are these people engaging in "character progression"? I think not.

The only people getting ahead of the curve on CP are the people who are playing only MMO side of this game and completely ignoring the RPG aspect. They aren't advancing characters. They are increasing advantage. And that's it.

The only people actually benefiting from the CP system are the people with the "Come at me bro. You suck newb" attitudes.

I have been here since launch and I've never encountered as robotic and as rude players as those "working" this CP system.

Now people will say, just ignore them....take 4 months to quest up your alt from VR1 to VR14....and who cares if you have 150 CP instead of 300CP. But that rules out competitive PvP.

More and more this game is catering to only the extremes. The hard-core 24/7 grind and exploit "come at me bro" crowd or the 'purple chat channel' RPing types that don't care about anything except the new pet in the crown store.

It's getting very frustrating to be anywhere in the middle.

I believe the entire CP system needs reworked. All the bonuses should be non-competitive. After so many champion points maybe you could unlock dying costumes. Maybe you could unlock some other feature. I'm not sure.

But I think it was a mistake to take a game that was already considered to grindy and present the min-maxer crowd that specialize in grinding with a new way to do max their builds under the guise of "character advancement"!

rotaugen454 · June 2015

I grind ONE champion point a day. Every time I go to a grind spot, I see high level characters doing the same. I can grind halfway, go do something else, come back 2 hours later and see the same people still grinding. There will be a fair number with a huge lead that will eat everyone up for breakfast in PvP, so will new players accept that and grind themselves to be competitive, or will they simply quit? There will be a lot of casual players who are into PvE but not trials that won't care one way or the other.

The Uninvited · June 2015

olemanwinter wrote: »

Been to a grinding spot lately to level? It's full of VR14s with max gear and min/max builds grinding out even more CP killing every mob in site as fast as they can spawn. I haven't experienced anything like this since the BOTS at launch.

Are these people engaging in "character progression"? I think not.

This is in my opinion not because of the CP system, but because there is no other way for a V14 to gain CP because there is no new content. If there were new trials or veteran dungeons, they would go there and earn CP by doing the new stuff.

Dixa · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

Dixa wrote: »

BurtFreeman wrote: »

I suggest at people do not like CP, like me, to end this discussion, just becouse some of us do not like hear any reason or suggestion. you could walk a full life in this path to find yourself at the starting point, just before you die.
some time the power is just in giving up discussion and giving up the game, as the only suggestion i got from this statics players.

good night, good buy (intentional)

you are welcome to not like it, and to stop playing the game because of it.

i can guarantee you that more people like the thought of being able to increase character power after level cap beyond just getting new gear than do not. no mmorpg is going to cater to 100% of it's playerbase, but to say anyone who disagrees with you is being unreasonable is actually quite irrational.

If this is true .

May I ask you then : Why is WoW still the most lucrative , played and popular MMOrpg out there ?

For what I know In wow in 1 week if you really want it you can be max lvl and on par (same gear) with everybody in pvp.

And for pve its about 1 month and a half to be on par (same gear) then most of the players, because theya dded so much catch up mechanics for pve too just like the Mythic piece(best pve gear in game and Bound on pickup too ..) of loot you can get weekly from your garrison free.

So tell me my friend If everyone like the taught of "being able to increase character power after level cap beyond just getting new gear than do not" why is eso so unpopular?

Why did they barely show up (from the ZenHQ in and empty office)in e3 2015 ?

Why havent Eso dethrone Wow Yet if everyone like this concept?

Why isnt Diablo 3 the most played game of blizzard? Tell me?

wow is a different style of mmorpg, and it has an AA system with it's garrisons. you are able to get raid level gear out of your garrison without ever setting foot in one if you put in the time.

and what keeps people in WoW is the same thing that ultimately keeps anyone in games that old - their friends.

jpalm1995 · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

Or if you dont want to.

Remove trials and DSA scoreboard, Remove Cyrodill and any kind of PVP, and sell you game as ESWF (elder scroll with friends).

TY

What people like you don't understand is the concept of diminishing returns. The buffs received are worth less and less the more you invest points in to them... So stop the QQ and enjoy the game.

jpalm1995 · June 2015

Molsondry wrote: »

its the same for magika and health someone with 3600 champion has infinite stam and inifnite magika (thking the ressource has to be scaled for somone with no champion point, atm there is no system to increase the ressource required when you cast as you get alot more ressource as you level) , a huge bunch of health and alot of regen not to mention the almost 75% increased dmg, increased mitigation, and all the passive. *** yeah All the passive bonus stack on top of the increased magika/health/stam making it even more of a broken system

So when im saying 100% stronger equal gear equal level . im not far from realityit might even be more then 100% . Is this acceptable for a mmo where there is pvp in ? no its not.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

Do you realize Champions simply break skill level ?

No, it doesn't. It adds up or compensates a little, but doesn't break anything. In my opinion. Maybe you'd like to elaborate a little bit on your opinion instead of presenting it like an absolute truth.

Are you happy ? I bringed up fact.,everybody with a decent logic , would already know

What do you have to say agaisnt that?

You do realize that champ points don't award ANY max stats, right? I'd stop making up statistics right about now...

halfbadger · June 2015

jpalm1995 wrote: »

You do realize that champ points don't award ANY max stats, right? I'd stop making up statistics right about now...

No. Wrong.

0 CPs:
http://i.imgur.com/aNP1Hry.jpg

3600 CPs:
http://i.imgur.com/T5KlC9X.jpg

Both pictures were taken while wearing the medium armour that the pts templates are given.

PsychoKRATOS1 · July 2015

Well... eso plus and getting married gives XP bonuses... does that carry on to VR xp or w/e?
http://skyrimfansite.com/how-to-craft-psijic-ambrosia-in-the-elder-scrolls-online/

That 50% extra xp for 30 minutes is a "craft-able" consumable and on first glimpse, albeit limited and not permanent...is vastly superior to the 10% bonus given by eso plus, ingredients are rare which is the only set back.

(However I do have A LOT of perfect roe)

Memnoch_Devil · July 2015

Drakoleon

You can just give up the game and go away. All the time you spend writing these thought out cry baby reasons why your worst then everyone else. I'm not going yo menace anymore words. I flat out hate people like you

Emma_Overload · July 2015

halfbadger wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

He has proved nothing other than he can fake photos and stage a supposed study. Even then he has 3600 points. Noone will have 3600 points for a couple years so your worries about the poor casuals and the poor new people are unwarranted.

In the 3 months that the champion sys has been out people have gained over 600 CPs. These people have gained CPs at a rate of 200 per month.
With the new exp boosters those people will now be gaining 300 CPs per month.
The last 600 CPs are almost completely useless so they need to gain 3000-700=2300 CPs to be maxed.
At the rate they have been going it will take them 2300/300=7.667 months to reach 3k CPs.
ZOS have said they are going to increase exp gains so that number of less than 8 months may lower.

LOL, no they won't. The only way they could get 200 CP/month up to 300 is if they took the XP potions CONSTANTLY, which means they would have to buy TONS of them, probably to the tune of hundreds of dollars a month. How many people are willing (and able) to do that AND play all day? You probably have more chance of running into an Emperor, who is way more OP than anybody who has 3600 CP anyway.

PsychoKRATOS1 · July 2015

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

halfbadger wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

He has proved nothing other than he can fake photos and stage a supposed study. Even then he has 3600 points. Noone will have 3600 points for a couple years so your worries about the poor casuals and the poor new people are unwarranted.

In the 3 months that the champion sys has been out people have gained over 600 CPs. These people have gained CPs at a rate of 200 per month.
With the new exp boosters those people will now be gaining 300 CPs per month.
The last 600 CPs are almost completely useless so they need to gain 3000-700=2300 CPs to be maxed.
At the rate they have been going it will take them 2300/300=7.667 months to reach 3k CPs.
ZOS have said they are going to increase exp gains so that number of less than 8 months may lower.

LOL, no they won't. The only way they could get 200 CP/month up to 300 is if they took the XP potions CONSTANTLY, which means they would have to buy TONS of them, probably to the tune of hundreds of dollars a month. How many people are willing (and able) to do that AND play all day? You probably have more chance of running into an Emperor, who is way more OP than anybody who has 3600 CP anyway.

I earned 4 today? I can't see any reason why 6 a day wouldn't be possible. But it's the weekend. Game time. .. weekdays are diff

MightyHarken · July 2015

I love the champion points, it gives me something to do in a game where there arent many fun things to do, if you dont like them dont grind for them but dont expect to be on par with the people who train daily to be strong. That's all I can say about this ridiculous thread.

Lisbette · July 2015

I can agree that Champion Points are a waste of time and energy.

Despite this, Zenimax is a company that wants your money. Therefore, XP scrolls are being sold in the Crown Store, because they KNOW players will spend money on trying to be the best.

It's the sad truth, this game is turning Pay-To-Win. :P

Darkeus · July 2015

dont even think about removing champion points! its part of end game and motivation to play after v14, the difference aint big if you have 100 or 300, they give more game play options and are one of the good things this game has.