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Plz remove champions points
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jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭As far as the game and its future CP has been in for quite some time. There are three whole threads complaining and those complaining are not new players. Read the story about chicken little.0 -
Dru1076✭✭✭✭There are a lot of people on both sides of the fence on this. You guys shouldn'tjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »As far as the game and its future CP has been in for quite some time. There are three whole threads complaining and those complaining are not new players. Read the story about chicken little.
In fact, there are several threads from new players on console asking for the non-vet campaign to be freed of champion points. I think that qualifies as new players complaining about cp's.Ask not what your sweetroll can do for you....0 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all the MMOs I have ever played. It is always the end of the world. Its always someone who says "Oh this doesnt affect me but please for the love of god think of the casuals!!". Or they want the game to be another game. Even tho they could play a game that supposedly has everything they want they refuse and say they want this game to change. Meanwhile the other 99% of the players are in the game happily playing and spending money.
Then they claim because of three posts on the forums everyone is behind them and everyone hates the CP system. Ive never ran into a single person in the game complaining. When I get beat I think to myself "I need to learn to play better so I come back and kick this guy's butt!". Not scream nerf people who play so I can come in after a week and dominate in pvp.
This.
Just can't agree more.1 -
Molsondry✭✭✭Still waiting for valid argue to Why to keep the CP system.
so far we havejamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
1.6.5 came out in late March I think. So he barely even used the system he is complaining about.
Yo dont need to play the game to know the maths are broken and infinite ressources Is easely attainable with CP ans infinite resource is broken
And it let little to no chance for new player 1 year from now versus veteran player because some will be 1k + cp by then and will jsut be God likes.
Or I get this argue
I prooved my point that CP will eventually break the game mechanics Making ability spammable with infinite ressource. And I prooved my point that new players (we are talking about current sytem INGAME not what zos said they would might do for catch system I dont belive Zos what they say .. its all SOON *tm*) will have no chance in 1 year agaisnt veteran player in any kind of pve or pvp due to cp system. And when new player see that they leave. leaving the game with no Inflow of new player but just Outflow of old bored player.
Im not saying it will kill the game right now , Im saying It will eventually kill the game in 1 year or 2 from now . WoW made insane catch up mechanics for a reason . To keep the Inflow . CP system is an Anti new player inflow system.
GIVE ME A GOOD ARGUE, not one that presume player like cp ... Or w/e presumtion .Bring me numbers and fact.
None of you Pro Cp bring up good Fact or number why Cp is healthy for the game, none of you defender of the system.
Still waiting.
Edited by Molsondry on June 22, 2015 3:55AMv9 Sorcerer1 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭There are a lot of people on both sides of the fence on this. You guys shouldn'tjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »As far as the game and its future CP has been in for quite some time. There are three whole threads complaining and those complaining are not new players. Read the story about chicken little.
In fact, there are several threads from new players on console asking for the non-vet campaign to be freed of champion points. I think that qualifies as new players complaining about cp's.
First off those complaints are about people coming into a brand new launched game with VR14 and bunch of champ points starting day one. That is a valid complaint. It has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about tho. Our game isnt brand newly launched and CP has been live on the servers since March.
Also there are not "several". There are I believe two. With good reason because the devs dont like people making 1000s of threads on the same topic. If you look at the views and response count its really a very very minor issue compared to the other issues. Once the console game has been out as long as the PC it will be a non issue.0 -
Molsondry✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »There are a lot of people on both sides of the fence on this. You guys shouldn'tjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »As far as the game and its future CP has been in for quite some time. There are three whole threads complaining and those complaining are not new players. Read the story about chicken little.
In fact, there are several threads from new players on console asking for the non-vet campaign to be freed of champion points. I think that qualifies as new players complaining about cp's.
First off those complaints are about people coming into a brand new launched game with VR14 and bunch of champ points starting day one. That is a valid complaint. It has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about tho. Our game isnt brand newly launched and CP has been live on the servers since March.
Also there are not "several". There are I believe two. With good reason because the devs dont like people making 1000s of threads on the same topic. If you look at the views and response count its really a very very minor issue compared to the other issues. Once the console game has been out as long as the PC it will be a non issue.
Yet again only presumption , presumption and presumtion any post from this guy is all presumption nothing valid . Not a single valid argue. plz move on or get some real fact and numbers to proove yourself that CP is healthy for the game.
Every fact and number says its not healthy for the game in the years to come.
Edited by Molsondry on June 22, 2015 4:00AMv9 Sorcerer1 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »There are a lot of people on both sides of the fence on this. You guys shouldn'tjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »As far as the game and its future CP has been in for quite some time. There are three whole threads complaining and those complaining are not new players. Read the story about chicken little.
In fact, there are several threads from new players on console asking for the non-vet campaign to be freed of champion points. I think that qualifies as new players complaining about cp's.
First off those complaints are about people coming into a brand new launched game with VR14 and bunch of champ points starting day one. That is a valid complaint. It has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about tho. Our game isnt brand newly launched and CP has been live on the servers since March.
Also there are not "several". There are I believe two. With good reason because the devs dont like people making 1000s of threads on the same topic. If you look at the views and response count its really a very very minor issue compared to the other issues. Once the console game has been out as long as the PC it will be a non issue.
Yet again only presumption , presumption and presumtion any post from this guy is all presumption nothing valid . Not a single valid argue. plz move on or get some real fact and numbers to proove yourself that CP is healthy for the game.
Every fact and number says its not healthy for the game in the years to come.
Every fact and number like what? Name some of these facts. They have to be facts too not opinion.0 -
Dru1076✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »There are a lot of people on both sides of the fence on this. You guys shouldn'tjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »As far as the game and its future CP has been in for quite some time. There are three whole threads complaining and those complaining are not new players. Read the story about chicken little.
In fact, there are several threads from new players on console asking for the non-vet campaign to be freed of champion points. I think that qualifies as new players complaining about cp's.
First off those complaints are about people coming into a brand new launched game with VR14 and bunch of champ points starting day one. That is a valid complaint. It has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about tho. Our game isnt brand newly launched and CP has been live on the servers since March.
Also there are not "several". There are I believe two. With good reason because the devs dont like people making 1000s of threads on the same topic. If you look at the views and response count its really a very very minor issue compared to the other issues. Once the console game has been out as long as the PC it will be a non issue.
There no point in conversing with you. You are derailing this thread and not really adding anything. You said there are NO new players in the game complaining about Cp's. Now you admit to being fully aware of them. You are not helping this debate very much.Ask not what your sweetroll can do for you....1 -
Molsondry✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »There are a lot of people on both sides of the fence on this. You guys shouldn'tjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »As far as the game and its future CP has been in for quite some time. There are three whole threads complaining and those complaining are not new players. Read the story about chicken little.
In fact, there are several threads from new players on console asking for the non-vet campaign to be freed of champion points. I think that qualifies as new players complaining about cp's.
First off those complaints are about people coming into a brand new launched game with VR14 and bunch of champ points starting day one. That is a valid complaint. It has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about tho. Our game isnt brand newly launched and CP has been live on the servers since March.
Also there are not "several". There are I believe two. With good reason because the devs dont like people making 1000s of threads on the same topic. If you look at the views and response count its really a very very minor issue compared to the other issues. Once the console game has been out as long as the PC it will be a non issue.
Yet again only presumption , presumption and presumtion any post from this guy is all presumption nothing valid . Not a single valid argue. plz move on or get some real fact and numbers to proove yourself that CP is healthy for the game.
Every fact and number says its not healthy for the game in the years to come.
Every fact and number like what? Name some of these facts. They have to be facts too not opinion.
Are you blind ?
Read my post I linked the Graphics,I linked the website with CP calculator with number approoving the fact CP will eventually break combat system leading into infinite ressources (already achieved by some infinite dodge roller spammer) Not to mention there is another 7 page thread about how CP is death sentence for this game in years to come with alot of other fact, numbers and tons of graphics to proove my point
Those arent my opinion its Fact
Its the last time I answer to you, its useless to argue with you and your opinions. And the fact you think the majority of player think like you (being only an opinion once again nothing to proove that majority like the system )
I prooved how the CP will make a huge wall for new players in 1 year from now.
In the other hands every of your argue has been opinion.
Edited by Molsondry on June 22, 2015 4:10AMv9 Sorcerer1 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »There are a lot of people on both sides of the fence on this. You guys shouldn'tjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »As far as the game and its future CP has been in for quite some time. There are three whole threads complaining and those complaining are not new players. Read the story about chicken little.
In fact, there are several threads from new players on console asking for the non-vet campaign to be freed of champion points. I think that qualifies as new players complaining about cp's.
First off those complaints are about people coming into a brand new launched game with VR14 and bunch of champ points starting day one. That is a valid complaint. It has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about tho. Our game isnt brand newly launched and CP has been live on the servers since March.
Also there are not "several". There are I believe two. With good reason because the devs dont like people making 1000s of threads on the same topic. If you look at the views and response count its really a very very minor issue compared to the other issues. Once the console game has been out as long as the PC it will be a non issue.
There no point in conversing with you. You are derailing this thread and not really adding anything. You said there are NO new players in the game complaining about Cp's. Now you admit to being fully aware of them. You are not helping this debate very much.
They arent complaining about the CP system. They are complaining that with a brand new game there are already vr14s running around geared up with CP. Its not a complaint about the system itself. I know I was involved with those threads. The PC is totally different. So again you cannot find anyone actually complaining about what you say. Only they wish people with CP werent allowed in the NON VET campaigns. Only because the game is brand new and those players dont have any CP to spend. The PC game is NOT brand new.0 -
Dru1076✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »There are a lot of people on both sides of the fence on this. You guys shouldn'tjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »As far as the game and its future CP has been in for quite some time. There are three whole threads complaining and those complaining are not new players. Read the story about chicken little.
In fact, there are several threads from new players on console asking for the non-vet campaign to be freed of champion points. I think that qualifies as new players complaining about cp's.
First off those complaints are about people coming into a brand new launched game with VR14 and bunch of champ points starting day one. That is a valid complaint. It has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about tho. Our game isnt brand newly launched and CP has been live on the servers since March.
Also there are not "several". There are I believe two. With good reason because the devs dont like people making 1000s of threads on the same topic. If you look at the views and response count its really a very very minor issue compared to the other issues. Once the console game has been out as long as the PC it will be a non issue.
There no point in conversing with you. You are derailing this thread and not really adding anything. You said there are NO new players in the game complaining about Cp's. Now you admit to being fully aware of them. You are not helping this debate very much.
They arent complaining about the CP system. They are complaining that with a brand new game there are already vr14s running around geared up with CP. Its not a complaint about the system itself. I know I was involved with those threads. The PC is totally different. So again you cannot find anyone actually complaining about what you say. Only they wish people with CP werent allowed in the NON VET campaigns. Only because the game is brand new and those players dont have any CP to spend. The PC game is NOT brand new.
Mate, I already stated I don't want the cps to go. So why don't you get all up in sometimes else's grill?
All I want is campaigns where people of similar levels can have a fairly evenly matched fight. That's what I have said in previous posts. That would take away the concerns people have with the cp system. How about offering some solutions instead of suggesting casual players should not play ESO? I'm pretty sure Zos would prefer they stayed.Ask not what your sweetroll can do for you....0 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »There are a lot of people on both sides of the fence on this. You guys shouldn'tjamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »As far as the game and its future CP has been in for quite some time. There are three whole threads complaining and those complaining are not new players. Read the story about chicken little.
In fact, there are several threads from new players on console asking for the non-vet campaign to be freed of champion points. I think that qualifies as new players complaining about cp's.
First off those complaints are about people coming into a brand new launched game with VR14 and bunch of champ points starting day one. That is a valid complaint. It has absolutely nothing to do with what we are talking about tho. Our game isnt brand newly launched and CP has been live on the servers since March.
Also there are not "several". There are I believe two. With good reason because the devs dont like people making 1000s of threads on the same topic. If you look at the views and response count its really a very very minor issue compared to the other issues. Once the console game has been out as long as the PC it will be a non issue.
There no point in conversing with you. You are derailing this thread and not really adding anything. You said there are NO new players in the game complaining about Cp's. Now you admit to being fully aware of them. You are not helping this debate very much.
They arent complaining about the CP system. They are complaining that with a brand new game there are already vr14s running around geared up with CP. Its not a complaint about the system itself. I know I was involved with those threads. The PC is totally different. So again you cannot find anyone actually complaining about what you say. Only they wish people with CP werent allowed in the NON VET campaigns. Only because the game is brand new and those players dont have any CP to spend. The PC game is NOT brand new.
Mate, I already stated I don't want the cps to go. So why don't you get all up in sometimes else's grill?
All I want is campaigns where people of similar levels can have a fairly evenly matched fight. That's what I have said in previous posts. That would take away the concerns people have with the cp system. How about offering some solutions instead of suggesting casual players should not play ESO? I'm pretty sure Zos would prefer they stayed.
You are never going to have even fights. Everyone has different levels. Different stats. Overpowered skills. There is no such thing as a even fight. I know a TON of casual players. I have yet to meet one who complained about CP. Now unlike the other guy I dont claim to speak for them. I just note a lack of complaints in game and a lack of threads complaining by people who claim to be new.
Also if you cant have a debate without getting your feelings hurt then dont get started into it. If you make a claim then someone disproves it dont say they are being mean to you. It is not personal we are discussing ideas not anything personal.0 -
Dru1076✭✭✭✭Back on track.... Does anyone have any good reason there can't be scaled campaigns based on cp's?Edited by Dru1076 on June 22, 2015 4:30AMAsk not what your sweetroll can do for you....0
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jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Back on track.... Does anyone have any good reason there can't be scaled campaigns based on cp's?
Hold on this thread is about removing CP. Not about scaled campaigns. The thread is about scrapping the entire system. As far as scaled campaigns go I dont think anyone cares about that. If ZOS wanted to do that I dont see why not. That isnt what you were saying through the entire thread tho and definately has nothing to do with the thread called "Please remove CP".1 -
Dru1076✭✭✭✭I am offering solutions that don't involve removing cp's. Think about it, and one more time, I am sorta on your side so stop being so hostile.Ask not what your sweetroll can do for you....0
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Molsondry✭✭✭James has been really hostile to everyone in every thread I read he posted.
On top of not bringing any good argument on the table:
Why is CP system Healthy for the game ? Yes it give an almost endless progression system and player feel like they have something to do . But the negative impact are so huge this isnt valid
Edited by Molsondry on June 22, 2015 4:47AMv9 Sorcerer1 -
BigInGlenumbra✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all the MMOs I have ever played. It is always the end of the world. Its always someone who says "Oh this doesnt affect me but please for the love of god think of the casuals!!". Or they want the game to be another game. Even tho they could play a game that supposedly has everything they want they refuse and say they want this game to change. Meanwhile the other 99% of the players are in the game happily playing and spending money.
Then they claim because of three posts on the forums everyone is behind them and everyone hates the CP system. Ive never ran into a single person in the game complaining. When I get beat I think to myself "I need to learn to play better so I come back and kick this guy's butt!". Not scream nerf people who play so I can come in after a week and dominate in pvp.
Man, you've gotten to the point of strawmanning an entire group of people under one argument.
Are you this desperate to protect your grinding?
I dont know what you mean by "grinding". If you mean sitting around mindlessly killing mobs ya I do that sometimes for fun. Ive done every quest in the game. I have I believe less than 25 achievements to complete. I have done all the vet dungeon achievements. Really the only ones I havent done are fishing. I probably wont ever do those.
What that has to do with CP gains etc I have no idea. If you mean people get more XP from grinding mobs thats just how it is.
And that's just how it shouldn't be. Of course you seem to have no problem with that considering you do grind "for fun". But the fact that you get more XP from grinding than anything else under equal time is one of the main problems of the CP system (or XP system if you wish), which I already explained previously.
How it shouldnt be according to who? Who made you the person who gets to dictate what everyone else can do?
Uh, the majority of people?
The majority of people do not like to grind. They even hate grinding.
Instead they prefer to quest and PvP over grinding.
So why should ZOS incentivize and give grinding more XP when everyone except you and a couple other dudes who don't have a job don't prefer grinding?
How do you know what the majority of people want? You only speak for yourself.
Lmao if you don't think most people hate grinding or at least prefer questing/PvP over grinding, you're blatantly lying and trying to be a weasel.
You again do not speak for anyone but yourself. I know a LOT of people who enjoy a little mindless farming. You cannot possibly know what the majority like unless you have talked to everyone who plays the game. Since you havent your claims are baseless and uninformed.
Still trying to stick to your argument that people like grinding as much as questing/PvP? Hahaha
Also, you don't need to talk to EVERYONE. Learn probability and statistics. Not even governments and scientists look after EVERY subject in a given area.
Most people don't like grinding. Face it, you're shamelessely lying right now. If we went with your lie that people like grinding as much as questing/PvP, tell me why everyone isn't grinding since grinding rewards more XP?
Why do you see more people questing and doing PvP instead of grinding?
Are grinders hiding in secret caves? Is that it?
I'd like to see what you come up with next rofl
If you look around there are a ton of spots people grind out mobs in. Its not a secret cave but it is a delve and also vet dungeons. For landscape Im sure if you look around you will find the spots. Not hard to miss because there are a ton of people there grinding mobs. Far more than I see trying to do vet dungeons, quests or anything like that. Craglorn is a good example of my point.
Noone in craglorn does the quests. They are long, tedious and unless you are on the same phase you cant help anyone else. Meanwhile you can level up rather quickly using the mobs. Even with the XP nerfs its still a viable alternative to questing.
You didn't really answer the question. You said some people grind, and they like it.
I specifically asked why there are more questers/PvPers than grinders.
I specifically told you that you have no idea how many people quest as opposed to grinding out levels. Here is just one place you go there and look for yourself.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/163197/grind-700-750k-exp-h-cracked-wood-cave-with-math
Note it IS a cave. It was kind of secret too. Not anymore tho lol.
You played this game for so many hours, and you don't know roughly if questers/PvPers make up a larger portion of the playerbase than grinders, AND you don't know (or refuse to acknowledge) if people prefer to quest/PvP over grind?
Lol, it's funny that you dodge all of these questions with petty non-answers, saying "oh but I've met many people who said they like to grind" which doesn't mean they don't prefer questing/PvPing over grinding, and "oh but I've seen many people grind" which also doesn't answer the question as to whether you see there are more questers/PvPers.
I guess we're not going to get anywhere so long as you refuse to use common sense and continue the lie that people like to grind just as much as PvP and questing (lol). Very shameless.
Look I know you think you know everything. You dont. You havent spoken to everyone. You just assume things. Meanwhile I show you factual information. Go on you tube and search for VR XP gring locations ESO. There are 100s of videos. So dont tell me what the majority of people like because you again have no clue. Ive been playing this game since before it was released. One of the biggest complaints is being forced to do the silver and gold quests to level up. If everyone loves questing so much why would they even debate removing vet ranks?
So ya obviously you dont have any clue what anyone but yourself likes. That or are just too blind to see beyond your nose.
How do those videos prove that people consider grinding > questing/pvp?
You're delusional if you think the majority, casuals, prefer grinding.
Also you don't need every person to determine anything. You need a sizeable amount of diverse people and with that you use that as a rough estimate for the whole population. That's how statistics works. Every person is not needed.
Unlike you I never chose to speak for everyone. I never said anything about it. Meanwhile you assume to speak for the majority.
I asked you a question, and you did not give me an answer for it. Why did you not give that excuse instead of giving me a weasel of an answer in the first place?
Also, I did not say I was speaking for everyone. Majority =/= everyone, I was describing the sentiment majority.
Now let's try this again, because it's very hard for you to comprehend statistics and discrepancies. You give me a direct answer or you tell me you can't answer; do you believe that there are equal amount of players that enjoy questing/PvP and grinding?0 -
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Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I actually like the Champion System.
In principle, as an account-wide progression system.
The actual execution combines all the grievances mentioned here.
- For something that supposedly replaced the veteran system, it takes way too long to max out.
- This means it's impossible to catch up in a reasonable timeframe.
- Why, on top of all the bonuses, also increase attributes with every champion point?
All of this could be fixed, though.
- Cut the maximum to 1200 (eventually, you will not be able to max more than 1 constellation per warrior/mage/thief).
- Cut the cost for a champion point to 100k, enlightened 25-50k exp.
- Adjust the magnitude of some passives so ~50% of the effect is achieved with 25 points (this is already the case for many passives)
- Remove the attribute bonus.
Of course, if it's too simple to max out, you might ask why even have a progression system after max level.
Frankly I have no idea. ESO's whole character system is borked imo. Most MMOs are fine with having a max level, at which point you can optimize your gear, etc. But gear is so abundant in ESO that you optimized it way before you hit max level. The whole system is on its head, so they try to prolong leveling first with the veteran system and now the champion system, but miss the point entirely.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
Vivec: Worse, buddy. They're buying it.0 -
BurtFreeman✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »JacksonCarter13 wrote: »Bada bing Bada Boom like 20th article about how Bad champion points are for the game AND I AGREE WITH THEM ALL!!!
I count 3 total posts. Less than 3000 views between them. Ya not 20 lol.
better if you digit CP in the search box, then press enter key, just to have an'idea; seem strange, becouse make a search with 2 digit is almost impossible, but not in this case.
anyway i play eso for quite a bit, and i don't really understand why we must relegated in a such bad thing.
if only zos will come out with a votatation about cp, will have a better idea of what like and dislike the majority of their customers. and keep in mind that most of the customer will never come in the forum.
the real is that after i read all those posts, seems that the weight of the balance are not going into cp.
sorry about that.
thought i've seen quite a good proposal to accomodate everybody, may be will be able to get out this time.
Edited by BurtFreeman on June 22, 2015 6:37AM0 -
Cogo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Another one of this threads? I guess some people just likes to yell about things.
Look at the big picture of Champion points. Not only what it does to you. Champion points are great. The only thing they should consider is to make them per character and not give the same ones to all chars on your account.
Also,
Champion points effects are good, but just because someone have a lot of points doesn't mean they are majorly overpowered. It still comes down to how well you play. Look at the CPs effects. They help but anyone can get much better effects from gear and global skills.
Example: Block.
10 CPs gives...5% better block? You can get 20% and more, very easy from global skills and gear set effects.Edited by Cogo on June 22, 2015 6:12AMOghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
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This is a RPG , if u cap the pg progression is no more an RPG ,if there is no reward in play is no more RPG
So cp vet lv u need to fix them not delete them
AnRPG without progression become an FPS where everybody is at the same level and it counts only how skilled u are with a mouse
So for the people that want to remive progression in a RPG they have to understand that this is not the solution , the solution is fix them , make them works3 -
Molsondry✭✭✭Another one of this threads? I guess some people just likes to yell about things.
Look at the big picture of Champion points. Not only what it does to you. Champion points are great. The only thing they should consider is to make them per character and not give the same ones to all chars on your account.
Also,
Champion points effects are good, but just because someone have a lot of points doesn't mean they are majorly overpowered. It still comes down to how well you play. Look at the CPs effects. They help but anyone can get much better effects from gear and global skills.
Example: Block.
10 CPs gives...5% better block? You can get 20% and more, very easy from global skills and gear set effects.
What is your point with that example? I really dont understand....
Anothers one of those guys who havent took time to read the whole tread and see how CP is breaking the combat mechanics and will be bad for new player income in the year to come.
Edited by Molsondry on June 22, 2015 6:18AMv9 Sorcerer0 -
BuggeX✭✭✭✭✭
✭Another one of this threads? I guess some people just likes to yell about things.
Look at the big picture of Champion points. Not only what it does to you. Champion points are great. The only thing they should consider is to make them per character and not give the same ones to all chars on your account.
Also,
Champion points effects are good, but just because someone have a lot of points doesn't mean they are majorly overpowered. It still comes down to how well you play. Look at the CPs effects. They help but anyone can get much better effects from gear and global skills.
Example: Block.
10 CPs gives...5% better block? You can get 20% and more, very easy from global skills and gear set effects.
This is not the Problem, (btw i like CP and dont want them removed) but CP give you additional Stats to your Play style.
Lets take a look, i Play DK, first i was full Tank - immortal in PVP, permablocking etc, but didnt got any DMG Output.
Now, after i have more CP i redesigned my DK to pure Magica with one Slot Sword/shild. With the CP i have Close the same deff like befor (well a bit less, i miss around 4k Stamina and 5k Armor becaus i use a other set)
But my DMG Output went from 0 to OP.
If you do this without CP, yes you dmg will be the same, but you dont have the def like now without CPsEdited by BuggeX on June 22, 2015 6:21AM#makemagickadkgreataigan
#givemeaexecute
#ineedheal
#betterhotfixgrindspots2 -
Molsondry✭✭✭Another one of this threads? I guess some people just likes to yell about things.
Look at the big picture of Champion points. Not only what it does to you. Champion points are great. The only thing they should consider is to make them per character and not give the same ones to all chars on your account.
Also,
Champion points effects are good, but just because someone have a lot of points doesn't mean they are majorly overpowered. It still comes down to how well you play. Look at the CPs effects. They help but anyone can get much better effects from gear and global skills.
Example: Block.
10 CPs gives...5% better block? You can get 20% and more, very easy from global skills and gear set effects.
Anothers one of those guys who havent took time to read the whole tread and see how CP is breaking the combat mechanics and will be bad for new player income in the year to come.This is a RPG , if u cap the pg progression is no more an RPG ,if there is no reward in play is no more RPG
So cp vet lv u need to fix them not delete them
AnRPG without progression become an FPS where everybody is at the same level and it counts only how skilled u are with a mouse
So for the people that want to remive progression in a RPG they have to understand that this is not the solution , the solution is fix them , make them works
I totally Agree with you dude! But Eso is not an RPG , its a MMO with pvp.
Disable them for pvp maybe , but you still have the leaderboard in pve . And it rewards gear the higher you are in . Letting 0 to small chance to new player in a year from here .
Then Keep the CP , disable them for pvp and Remove all the pve leaderboards, it would be good like that?
Maybe turn them into a talent system ? you still loose the never ending progression part.
Edited by Molsondry on June 22, 2015 6:25AMv9 Sorcerer0 -
Cogo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Of course, if it's too simple to max out, you might ask why even have a progression system after max level.
Frankly I have no idea. ESO's whole character system is borked imo. Most MMOs are fine with having a max level, at which point you can optimize your gear, etc. But gear is so abundant in ESO that you optimized it way before you hit max level. The whole system is on its head, so they try to prolong leveling first with the veteran system and now the champion system, but miss the point entirely.
That would be true for other MMOs but ESO is ESO. ESOs model is just that, you develop all the time and can choose whatever fits your game style. No one can have the best in everything. That's great! It's up to you! Why is that wrong?
ZoS explained both before the ESO launch and after that there should not be anything "the best gear". There is very good high end gear, yes. But crafted sets are still good enough even for the hardest encounters.
Info about ESO sais everywhere that you can choose your own way. Nothing is wrong or right. You decide. Update 6 and the character develop design have really done that. If someone likes it or not is a complete different thing then a broken system.
Also, ESO doesn't start at Level 50 and Vet rank 14. It starts at level 1. Most MMOs where you can copy a guide for best gear/class etc, they start on max level. The players skills in the game is far more powerful then having a well geared character. Isn't that a good thing?Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
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Guildsite: The Nephilim
"I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
-Voltaire
"My build? Improvise, overcome and adapt!"0 -
Molsondry✭✭✭Of course, if it's too simple to max out, you might ask why even have a progression system after max level.
Frankly I have no idea. ESO's whole character system is borked imo. Most MMOs are fine with having a max level, at which point you can optimize your gear, etc. But gear is so abundant in ESO that you optimized it way before you hit max level. The whole system is on its head, so they try to prolong leveling first with the veteran system and now the champion system, but miss the point entirely.
That would be true for other MMOs but ESO is ESO. ESOs model is just that, you develop all the time and can choose whatever fits your game style. No one can have the best in everything. That's great! It's up to you! Why is that wrong?
ZoS explained both before the ESO launch and after that there should not be anything "the best gear". There is very good high end gear, yes. But crafted sets are still good enough even for the hardest encounters.
Info about ESO sais everywhere that you can choose your own way. Nothing is wrong or right. You decide. Update 6 and the character develop design have really done that. If someone likes it or not is a complete different thing then a broken system.
Also, ESO doesn't start at Level 50 and Vet rank 14. It starts at level 1. Most MMOs where you can copy a guide for best gear/class etc, they start on max level. The players skills in the game is far more powerful then having a well geared character. Isn't that a good thing?
Eso , is not on another world. Dont you know what MMO mean . It only means Massive Multiplayer Online. Its not a genre , its not a style its Massive multiplayer online.
And when you have pvp involved in a Massive multiplayer online game it need to be fair for everyone. Someone doesnt deserve to be stronger only because he has more time to invest in the game. It simply doesnt work like that in the PvP scene.v9 Sorcerer1 -
Hexyl✭✭✭There is several mmos with no "fair for everyone" pvp style.
( Lineage 2 for exemple.. ).
In eso, it's a war, it's not a competitive pvp area like an arena.
Maybe we will see arena coming in the futur with no cp point. But cyrodill is more a map for "war" and "fun".
In a large group like we see in cyro the power of only one personne with a lot of cps is less impressive.
And without that, the champion system will not stay at this current stats.0 -
Molsondry✭✭✭There is several mmos with no "fair for everyone" pvp style.
( Lineage 2 for exemple.. ).
In eso, it's a war, it's not a competitive pvp area like an arena.
Maybe we will see arena coming in the futur with no cp point. But cyrodill is more a map for "war" and "fun".
In a large group like we see in cyro the power of only one personne with a lot of cps is less impressive.
And without that, the champion system will not stay at this current stats.
You think its gonna be fun in 1 year from here to have those elite guild taking only 600 + champions point players and roaming the map as 24 men invincible godmod raid ?
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