And if you come here and cry about the ones who have invested so much time for grinding them and etc.

What do you want, losing thousand and thousand of new player that are gonna be pissed of by CP and the impossible catch up , that pvp is nothing but unfairness and op players and the fact new player will never be able to get in leaderboards or lose 10-20 player pissed they lost there 500 champions points?

Drakoleon wrote: »

(XP busters,potion and food buffers way over the crafted ones in crown store)

False. Crafted item are more powerfull

the first 400 champion will become easier to get after the great patch. They are aware of the gap between player. And also when this champion system come with the 1.6, they said it's only the first part.

So wait, and keep hope. This game is awesome.

Hexyl wrote: »

Drakoleon wrote: »

(XP busters,potion and food buffers way over the crafted ones in crown store)

False. Crafted item are more powerfull

the first 400 champion will become easier to get after the great patch. They are aware of the gap between player. And also when this champion system come with the 1.6, they said it's only the first part.

So wait, and keep hope. This game is awesome.

Can you read ?
He is talking about the new potion in crown store (that is indeed superior to all craftable) and the xp potion.

also this

Molsondry wrote: »

Not to mention you can easely buy gold for this game on the net and chance you get banned are very very very low and 90% of best in game gear can be purchased with gold . So does the mats for legendary upgrade and Nirn op trait mats. With 200$ you can have almost the best online gear (all minus the monster sets)

Make legendary mats bound and make most of end game gear Bound on pickup.

Crafted gear can be baught and is not BoP

And champion is broken end of discution its a good concept for ESWF a great concept for it! But its not for the mmo with pvp eso is

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

What do you want, losing thousand and thousand of new player that are gonna be pissed of by CP and the impossible catch up ,

you mean what is already happening?

Yes its already happening . Im not playing the game anymore and many many other I know all the time I spent on this game is asking on the forum to remove a broken solo player non ending leveling up concept in a mmo

michaelb14a_ESO2 wrote: »

I don't get it. The other thread you cried in wasn't enough? Spend less time creating duplicate "it's special b/c I created it" thread versions and more time playing. Jesus no wonder you have no CP's.

I have no Cp'S? i am vr 14 with over 2.5k spell power sorc and 50% crit. 34k magika I have the valkyn monster set. and i have over 150 champions points.

And ill create a new thread each week until they finally remove them because its broken for a mmo

Psychobunni wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

Or if you dont want to.

Remove trials and DSA scoreboard, Remove Cyrodill and any kind of PVP, and sell you game as ESWF (elder scroll with friends).

TY

I'll take yours if you don't want them

I seriously don't expect removal, how else could they sell XP pots? I am curious tho as to what the next long, boring grind will be

Well if they dont they will have no one left in the game to sell anything , once console players get bored of it ( console player never play 1 year the same game) and all new players realize how cp are broken. They will have no one to sell anything in the crown store

Molsondry wrote: »

Not to mention you can easely buy gold for this game on the net and chance you get banned are very very very low and 90% of best in game gear can be purchased with gold . So does the mats for legendary upgrade and Nirn op trait mats. With 200$ you can have almost the best online gear (all minus the monster sets)

Make legendary mats bound and make most of end game gear Boun on pickup.

I know people who got perma bans for trading gold for real money and I can ensure you that they investigate your character thoroughly if you had any interactions with someone who did goldtrading. So just because you know someone who had been lucky so far it doesn't mean zos doesn't care about it.

Molsondry wrote: »

Hexyl wrote: »

Drakoleon wrote: »

(XP busters,potion and food buffers way over the crafted ones in crown store)

False. Crafted item are more powerfull

the first 400 champion will become easier to get after the great patch. They are aware of the gap between player. And also when this champion system come with the 1.6, they said it's only the first part.

So wait, and keep hope. This game is awesome.

Can you read ?
He is talking about the new potion in crown store (that is indeed superior to all craftable) and the xp potion.

Well, I can craft better potions than the new ones in the crownstore, maybe you should level alchemy instead of complaining.

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

Not to mention you can easely buy gold for this game on the net and chance you get banned are very very very low and 90% of best in game gear can be purchased with gold . So does the mats for legendary upgrade and Nirn op trait mats. With 200$ you can have almost the best online gear (all minus the monster sets)

Make legendary mats bound and make most of end game gear Boun on pickup.

I know people who got perma bans for trading gold for real money and I can ensure you that they investigate your character thoroughly if you had any interactions with someone who did goldtrading. So just because you know someone who had been lucky so far it doesn't mean zos doesn't care about it.

Molsondry wrote: »

Hexyl wrote: »

Drakoleon wrote: »

(XP busters,potion and food buffers way over the crafted ones in crown store)

False. Crafted item are more powerfull

the first 400 champion will become easier to get after the great patch. They are aware of the gap between player. And also when this champion system come with the 1.6, they said it's only the first part.

So wait, and keep hope. This game is awesome.

Can you read ?
He is talking about the new potion in crown store (that is indeed superior to all craftable) and the xp potion.

Well, I can craft better potions than the new ones in the crownstore, maybe you should level alchemy instead of complaining.

Indeed you are right purple potion(I got mistaken by them being purple ) in crown store are worse then craftable . It doesnt change everything else still

And there a reason why in most mmo you cant buy top gear with gold . because in every mmo you can buy gold .

Molsondry wrote: »

Can you read ?
He is talking about the new potion in crown store (that is indeed superior to all craftable) and the xp potion.

also this

Molsondry wrote: »

Not to mention you can easely buy gold for this game on the net and chance you get banned are very very very low and 90% of best in game gear can be purchased with gold . So does the mats for legendary upgrade and Nirn op trait mats. With 200$ you can have almost the best online gear (all minus the monster sets)

Make legendary mats bound and make most of end game gear Bound on pickup.

Crafted gear can be baught and is not BoP

And champion is broken end of discution its a good concept for ESWF a great concept for it! But its not for the mmo with pvp eso is

1/ A crafted bunch of XP potions IS stronger than the crown store version. That's a FACT, because 4*50 minutes trumps 2 hours.

2/ "end of discution" ??? I think you mean "end of discussion" but then I wonder why you even start a discussion thread at all.

3/ Champion system is not broken. I think it's absolutely brilliant. More casual / less skilled players who cannot catch up should simply forget about catching up and play/compete with players of their own CP/Skill level. That's how it remains fun, and you don't have to be at the top of the leaderboards to enjoy the game.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

Can you read ?
He is talking about the new potion in crown store (that is indeed superior to all craftable) and the xp potion.

also this

Molsondry wrote: »

Not to mention you can easely buy gold for this game on the net and chance you get banned are very very very low and 90% of best in game gear can be purchased with gold . So does the mats for legendary upgrade and Nirn op trait mats. With 200$ you can have almost the best online gear (all minus the monster sets)

Make legendary mats bound and make most of end game gear Bound on pickup.

Crafted gear can be baught and is not BoP

And champion is broken end of discution its a good concept for ESWF a great concept for it! But its not for the mmo with pvp eso is

1/ A crafted bunch of XP potions IS stronger than the crown store version. That's a FACT, because 4*50 minutes trumps 2 hours.

2/ "end of discution" ??? I think you mean "end of discussion" but then I wonder why you even start a discussion thread at all.

3/ Champion system is not broken. I think it's absolutely brilliant. More casual / less skilled players who cannot catch up should simply forget about catching up and play/compete with players of their own CP/Skill level. That's how it remains fun, and you don't have to be at the top of the leaderboards to enjoy the game.

Champion points and skill level in the same sentence. You made my day.

Do you realize Champions simply break skill level ? Champion points are nothing more then endless pve grinding in order to be the most powerfull guy wihtoiut any skill involved. Anyway we all know the current meta is have 3 passive on your bar and use 2 button . There is about 0 skill in eso with current meta and cp . LOL

And for the xp pots how does 4x 30 min is better then 1 x 2 hour when it pauses in laoding screen and when you logg of its all the same . Xp potion take huge time to grind , or cost alot of gold either way its just P2W because they are not worth grinding its more worth going acutaly grind xp then grinding them and then go do xp . only way they are usefull is when you buy them or when you sell them for gold

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Molsondry wrote: »

Do you realize Champions simply break skill level ?

No, it doesn't. It adds up or compensates a little, but doesn't break anything. In my opinion. Maybe you'd like to elaborate a little bit on your opinion instead of presenting it like an absolute truth.

Champion is all but a little compensate they arehuge bonus . You really have no idea what your talking about. You dotn realize 100 champions poits give you 10% mitigation , 10 % more regen , 10% more dmg, having 3600 is over 100% more. Not to mention I still get 75 stats per champions points at 150 .

Molsondry wrote: »

Are you happy ? I bringed up fact.,everybody with a decent logic , would already know

What do you have to say agaisnt that?

I still maintain that 10% more whatever (damage, mitigation, w/e) is a small bonus, not a huge one, and that a player with a proper sense of positioning / dodging / fine-tuned and well implemented rotation has a faaaar greater advantage over any CP grinding player.

I will not bother checking your graphs but even if they should be correct, argumenting now with 3600 CP figures while noone will have such an amount of CP in any foreseeable future is imo not relevant. Sure people will get there some day, but until then the game will have been rebalanced a couple of times, like any and every MMO.

We arent talking about 10% some have already 600 champions points and that represent maybe 30% now? with bots and xp pots . it wont take long there will be some with 3600. Dont worry, it wont be long.

And once again you didnt take time to read at all.... . Infinite magika ressource and infinite stam ressource far before you get to 3600... some are already having infinite stam regen with 600 champions points . infinite dodge rolling . playier killing alone group of 20 + of his level ... what do you want more for proof? Why inifinte magika and stam ressource? Simply because there is nothing to increase the cost of abilities as you level your champions points like I already mentioned... and the champions bonus are soo good it wont take too long. @ 600 you can probly have infinite ressource of one of them @ 1200 you can probly have infinite ressource of both magika and stam . Thinking ability cost need to be toned for 0 champions points and there is no system that increase the cost.. TELL ME HOW IS THIS NOT BROKEN

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anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I think I know A LOT if not the majority of endgame players by now in PC/EU/DC and noone has over 300 CP to this date. XP pots have been out for less than 1 week so IF some very rare individuals have over 600 the XP pots have nothing to do with it. Haven't seen any bot either, anywhere.

A skilled player with a properly well-thought build and correct rotation can manage resources so that he can cast and roll dodge indefinitely without needing 200+ CP. That comes from SKILLS, not stats.

I'm sorry you seem so upset when someone disagrees with you, but that's what debates are for.

Hmm havent played for 2 month and i have 150. I could have 400 + by now and I wasnt vr 14 so i didnt get the 70 initial. Some grinder do have 600 + right now .

It doesnt come from skills its comes from CP and gear match. W/e skill you have try dodgeing infenetly while using stam/magika ressource ability animation canceling them each time with dodge roll. There is a video on the forum someewhere that show thats it all the champions points that make the infinite dodge rolling accesible . I am done arguind with somone with someone that doesnt wanna hear the fact , and argues with fact.. Your talking about skill? Ive been in top 5% pvp player in 2 game , wow is one of them and . And 5% increased stats @ equal skill make the difference between a kill and not a kill in 3v3 arena . What do you know about that? Obv nothing cauz your arguing 10% doesnt make a difference when you have the skills.

And if you havent seen any bot its because you dont know what a bot looks like. . There is a very fair amount of bot in eso i could even link you website where they sell bot for them with pretty advanced behavior ( they grind better then some player actualy) in Wow there is a bot that is so advanced technologically that tehre Battle ground behavior and rotation is far better then most avg player

No, thankfully most players aren't like this. Their enjoyment of the game is largely independent of other players, what those players' characters are doing, how good they characters are, what they're wearing, etc etc.

Players looking for a perfect system; keep looking. Because it sure isn't here in ESOTU. But I think you'll find no system is perfect, anywhere. When human element is involved - as in all MMOs - there is no such thing as true balance or 'fairness' unless you completely stifle any incentive or progress to the point of complete staleness.

The eventual removal of Veteran Ranks and the continued evolution of Champion Points is big step in the right direction. It's just a shame some players seem too insular and angry they can't seem to appreciate that in the wider context.