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Plz remove champions points
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jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all the MMOs I have ever played. It is always the end of the world. Its always someone who says "Oh this doesnt affect me but please for the love of god think of the casuals!!". Or they want the game to be another game. Even tho they could play a game that supposedly has everything they want they refuse and say they want this game to change. Meanwhile the other 99% of the players are in the game happily playing and spending money.
Then they claim because of three posts on the forums everyone is behind them and everyone hates the CP system. Ive never ran into a single person in the game complaining. When I get beat I think to myself "I need to learn to play better so I come back and kick this guy's butt!". Not scream nerf people who play so I can come in after a week and dominate in pvp.
Man, you've gotten to the point of strawmanning an entire group of people under one argument.
Are you this desperate to protect your grinding?
I dont know what you mean by "grinding". If you mean sitting around mindlessly killing mobs ya I do that sometimes for fun. Ive done every quest in the game. I have I believe less than 25 achievements to complete. I have done all the vet dungeon achievements. Really the only ones I havent done are fishing. I probably wont ever do those.
What that has to do with CP gains etc I have no idea. If you mean people get more XP from grinding mobs thats just how it is.1 -
BigInGlenumbra✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all the MMOs I have ever played. It is always the end of the world. Its always someone who says "Oh this doesnt affect me but please for the love of god think of the casuals!!". Or they want the game to be another game. Even tho they could play a game that supposedly has everything they want they refuse and say they want this game to change. Meanwhile the other 99% of the players are in the game happily playing and spending money.
Then they claim because of three posts on the forums everyone is behind them and everyone hates the CP system. Ive never ran into a single person in the game complaining. When I get beat I think to myself "I need to learn to play better so I come back and kick this guy's butt!". Not scream nerf people who play so I can come in after a week and dominate in pvp.
Man, you've gotten to the point of strawmanning an entire group of people under one argument.
Are you this desperate to protect your grinding?
I dont know what you mean by "grinding". If you mean sitting around mindlessly killing mobs ya I do that sometimes for fun. Ive done every quest in the game. I have I believe less than 25 achievements to complete. I have done all the vet dungeon achievements. Really the only ones I havent done are fishing. I probably wont ever do those.
What that has to do with CP gains etc I have no idea. If you mean people get more XP from grinding mobs thats just how it is.
And that's just how it shouldn't be. Of course you seem to have no problem with that considering you do grind "for fun". But the fact that you get more XP from grinding than anything else under equal time is one of the main problems of the CP system (or XP system if you wish), which I already explained previously.
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Pheefs✭✭✭✭✭remove champion points? NO!
I like them!
It comes down to... what do you want the champion points for anyway?
I like spending them appropriate to my character so far, & not to focus only on PVP...
& so what if I need to bring soul gems to PVP! what's wrong with that?
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RustedValor✭✭✭Best solution. Have some Pvp Campaigns without Champion Bonuses, and others with champion bonuses. Then see which one you like better.1 -
wraith808✭✭✭✭Wait if you don't actually play the game, why are you in here demanding removal of all these things?
I'm VR14, I have 100 champion points so far. I still have fun in pvp. I could not care less if my opponents have 300 champion points or more. That's their play style. Not mine.
Point is you can't win at everything without putting effort in. If you want 300 champion points, you go and work for them. But don't expect a game to give you everything that you want with no effort. If you want to compete with these top tier people do as they do. If you don't, you won't have what they have. It's just that simple.
They are already looking into fixing catch ups anyway.
Im here because eso is a great concept with pvp and if you look at all the succeed game atm right now. And champion system progression is gonna kill this game hard!
Why did I stop playing ?. Because of the pvp lag and the pvp meta where if you wanna win you stay in group of 24 stacked and spam 2 button, the fact there is no small scale instanced pvp. And last but an important one I dont wanna see , in any given pvp game, a single guy solo 20 men just because he had time to grind his 700 cp and farm (or buy) his 2 million gold for the best in game gear.
So you want champion points but don't want to work for them?
Sorry for my bad english I edited my post.
No I dont want champions point. and I dont wanna work for them either . I want to get in the game pvp and log off. right now if you wanna be competitive you have to grind 8hour/day. nonsense system
There has to be some method of progression for those that do want to have some reason behind their gaming and helping in Cyrodiil. And those that do the time should get something for it. There is much room for those that are behind (me being one of them), and much fun to be had in Cyrodiil. Will you be high on the leaderboards or the most important person in an assault? No, but IMO, if you're willing to work for something, you should be rewarded, and everyone shouldn't get a "thanks for playing" catch up just because.Quasim ibn-Muhammad - VR 12 Redguard Dragon Knight
Taladriel Vanima - VR 5 Altmer Nightblade
Ambalyo iyo Bogaadin - VR 1 Redguard Sorceror0 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all the MMOs I have ever played. It is always the end of the world. Its always someone who says "Oh this doesnt affect me but please for the love of god think of the casuals!!". Or they want the game to be another game. Even tho they could play a game that supposedly has everything they want they refuse and say they want this game to change. Meanwhile the other 99% of the players are in the game happily playing and spending money.
Then they claim because of three posts on the forums everyone is behind them and everyone hates the CP system. Ive never ran into a single person in the game complaining. When I get beat I think to myself "I need to learn to play better so I come back and kick this guy's butt!". Not scream nerf people who play so I can come in after a week and dominate in pvp.
Man, you've gotten to the point of strawmanning an entire group of people under one argument.
Are you this desperate to protect your grinding?
I dont know what you mean by "grinding". If you mean sitting around mindlessly killing mobs ya I do that sometimes for fun. Ive done every quest in the game. I have I believe less than 25 achievements to complete. I have done all the vet dungeon achievements. Really the only ones I havent done are fishing. I probably wont ever do those.
What that has to do with CP gains etc I have no idea. If you mean people get more XP from grinding mobs thats just how it is.
And that's just how it shouldn't be. Of course you seem to have no problem with that considering you do grind "for fun". But the fact that you get more XP from grinding than anything else under equal time is one of the main problems of the CP system (or XP system if you wish), which I already explained previously.
How it shouldnt be according to who? Who made you the person who gets to dictate what everyone else can do?1 -
Dru1076✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Why are people arguing that casuals should be handed things that hardcore players work for? I keep seeing this in a lot of games, and it is not right. It ruins play value because casuals never earn it and hardcores get cheated so they move to the next game.
Casuals never stood a chance of competing in the same level as hard core players, and I don't think anyone expects that. But in Cyrodil that's what they are expected to do., something which has been compounded greatly by xp boosters bring do much easier for hard core hangers to get their hands on for free.. I fully understand the hard core gamers feeling like mocking those concerned by this increasing gap, but most of us don't want to be owned by other players simply because the other guy can play more often. Why should casuals be shut out of the game?
When there are enough players, I think there needs to be a campaign set up for players under a certain number of cp's. Otherwise, the only way I can enjoy PVP is by running with a zerg.
Welcome to MMOs. If you want what you are talking about you probably should look into either MOBA games or first person shooters like COD or Battlefield. You will never get what you want here. You have to invest time in the game you cant just instantly go out and expect to beat people who have spent a long time building their characters AND learning to play them.
Oh.... This is an mmo? Really... Thank for being so nice and helpful by pointing that out. After playing for seven months I hadn't noticed. I thought this whole time I was playing Elder Scrolls.
Why shouldn't there be a campaign where casuals can go and face other casuals? What's wrong with that? And it cp's don't matter at all in fights, as claimed in some threads, why are people so snarky when someone talks about ditching them? I am not, btw, in favour of ditching cp's. Only in making a pvp campaign where my skill and build are more important than time played. Some of us have to work for a living, you know.Edited by Dru1076 on June 22, 2015 1:02AMAsk not what your sweetroll can do for you....0 -
BigInGlenumbra✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all the MMOs I have ever played. It is always the end of the world. Its always someone who says "Oh this doesnt affect me but please for the love of god think of the casuals!!". Or they want the game to be another game. Even tho they could play a game that supposedly has everything they want they refuse and say they want this game to change. Meanwhile the other 99% of the players are in the game happily playing and spending money.
Then they claim because of three posts on the forums everyone is behind them and everyone hates the CP system. Ive never ran into a single person in the game complaining. When I get beat I think to myself "I need to learn to play better so I come back and kick this guy's butt!". Not scream nerf people who play so I can come in after a week and dominate in pvp.
Man, you've gotten to the point of strawmanning an entire group of people under one argument.
Are you this desperate to protect your grinding?
I dont know what you mean by "grinding". If you mean sitting around mindlessly killing mobs ya I do that sometimes for fun. Ive done every quest in the game. I have I believe less than 25 achievements to complete. I have done all the vet dungeon achievements. Really the only ones I havent done are fishing. I probably wont ever do those.
What that has to do with CP gains etc I have no idea. If you mean people get more XP from grinding mobs thats just how it is.
And that's just how it shouldn't be. Of course you seem to have no problem with that considering you do grind "for fun". But the fact that you get more XP from grinding than anything else under equal time is one of the main problems of the CP system (or XP system if you wish), which I already explained previously.
How it shouldnt be according to who? Who made you the person who gets to dictate what everyone else can do?
Uh, the majority of people?
The majority of people do not like to grind. They even hate grinding.
Instead they prefer to quest and PvP over grinding.
So why should ZOS incentivize and give grinding more XP when everyone except you and a couple other dudes who don't have a job don't prefer grinding?
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jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Why are people arguing that casuals should be handed things that hardcore players work for? I keep seeing this in a lot of games, and it is not right. It ruins play value because casuals never earn it and hardcores get cheated so they move to the next game.
Casuals never stood a chance of competing in the same level as hard core players, and I don't think anyone expects that. But in Cyrodil that's what they are expected to do., something which has been compounded greatly by xp boosters bring do much easier for hard core hangers to get their hands on for free.. I fully understand the hard core gamers feeling like mocking those concerned by this increasing gap, but most of us don't want to be owned by other players simply because the other guy can play more often. Why should casuals be shut out of the game?
When there are enough players, I think there needs to be a campaign set up for players under a certain number of cp's. Otherwise, the only way I can enjoy PVP is by running with a zerg.
Welcome to MMOs. If you want what you are talking about you probably should look into either MOBA games or first person shooters like COD or Battlefield. You will never get what you want here. You have to invest time in the game you cant just instantly go out and expect to beat people who have spent a long time building their characters AND learning to play them.
Oh.... This is an mmo? Really... Thank for being so nice and helpful by pointing that out. After playing for seven months I hadn't noticed. I thought this while time I was playing Elder Scrolls.
Why shouldn't there be a campaign where casuals can go and face other casuals? What's wrong with that? And it cp's don't matter at all in fights, as claimed in some threads, why are people so snarky when someone talks about ditching them? I am not, btw, in favour of ditching cp's. Only in making a pvp campaign where my skill and build are more important than time played. Some of us have to work for a living, you know.
Noone said CP doesnt matter. What people are saying is that 2-3% of something isnt enough to completely dominate other players. Unless of course they have no idea how to play their character. There is going to be no ditching CP. So get the big boy pants on or leave. Let those of us who enjoy the game to play it in peace.2 -
Dru1076✭✭✭✭RustedValor wrote: »Best solution. Have some Pvp Campaigns without Champion Bonuses, and others with champion bonuses. Then see which one you like better.
This would keep casuals happy. And the hard core could be better assured of a challenging fight. Assuming that's what they want.Ask not what your sweetroll can do for you....1 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all the MMOs I have ever played. It is always the end of the world. Its always someone who says "Oh this doesnt affect me but please for the love of god think of the casuals!!". Or they want the game to be another game. Even tho they could play a game that supposedly has everything they want they refuse and say they want this game to change. Meanwhile the other 99% of the players are in the game happily playing and spending money.
Then they claim because of three posts on the forums everyone is behind them and everyone hates the CP system. Ive never ran into a single person in the game complaining. When I get beat I think to myself "I need to learn to play better so I come back and kick this guy's butt!". Not scream nerf people who play so I can come in after a week and dominate in pvp.
Man, you've gotten to the point of strawmanning an entire group of people under one argument.
Are you this desperate to protect your grinding?
I dont know what you mean by "grinding". If you mean sitting around mindlessly killing mobs ya I do that sometimes for fun. Ive done every quest in the game. I have I believe less than 25 achievements to complete. I have done all the vet dungeon achievements. Really the only ones I havent done are fishing. I probably wont ever do those.
What that has to do with CP gains etc I have no idea. If you mean people get more XP from grinding mobs thats just how it is.
And that's just how it shouldn't be. Of course you seem to have no problem with that considering you do grind "for fun". But the fact that you get more XP from grinding than anything else under equal time is one of the main problems of the CP system (or XP system if you wish), which I already explained previously.
How it shouldnt be according to who? Who made you the person who gets to dictate what everyone else can do?
Uh, the majority of people?
The majority of people do not like to grind. They even hate grinding.
Instead they prefer to quest and PvP over grinding.
So why should ZOS incentivize and give grinding more XP when everyone except you and a couple other dudes who don't have a job don't prefer grinding?
How do you know what the majority of people want? You only speak for yourself.2 -
BigInGlenumbra✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all the MMOs I have ever played. It is always the end of the world. Its always someone who says "Oh this doesnt affect me but please for the love of god think of the casuals!!". Or they want the game to be another game. Even tho they could play a game that supposedly has everything they want they refuse and say they want this game to change. Meanwhile the other 99% of the players are in the game happily playing and spending money.
Then they claim because of three posts on the forums everyone is behind them and everyone hates the CP system. Ive never ran into a single person in the game complaining. When I get beat I think to myself "I need to learn to play better so I come back and kick this guy's butt!". Not scream nerf people who play so I can come in after a week and dominate in pvp.
Man, you've gotten to the point of strawmanning an entire group of people under one argument.
Are you this desperate to protect your grinding?
I dont know what you mean by "grinding". If you mean sitting around mindlessly killing mobs ya I do that sometimes for fun. Ive done every quest in the game. I have I believe less than 25 achievements to complete. I have done all the vet dungeon achievements. Really the only ones I havent done are fishing. I probably wont ever do those.
What that has to do with CP gains etc I have no idea. If you mean people get more XP from grinding mobs thats just how it is.
And that's just how it shouldn't be. Of course you seem to have no problem with that considering you do grind "for fun". But the fact that you get more XP from grinding than anything else under equal time is one of the main problems of the CP system (or XP system if you wish), which I already explained previously.
How it shouldnt be according to who? Who made you the person who gets to dictate what everyone else can do?
Uh, the majority of people?
The majority of people do not like to grind. They even hate grinding.
Instead they prefer to quest and PvP over grinding.
So why should ZOS incentivize and give grinding more XP when everyone except you and a couple other dudes who don't have a job don't prefer grinding?
How do you know what the majority of people want? You only speak for yourself.
Lmao if you don't think most people hate grinding or at least prefer questing/PvP over grinding, you're blatantly lying and trying to be a weasel.
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Paradox✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »More hyperbole and name calling. Show me even one thread by a new player complaining about this. Fact is its only people with multiple VR characters who have been here a long time complaining. How about letting the new players deal with their own complaints instead of making up stuff?
Face it fact is no new players care about this CP system. Everyone has been enjoying it now for quite some time. The only reason you guys are saying this "Oh please God think of the new players!!" is because the new XP pots also affect CP. Noone has complained in all these months from PTS to live.
Not all new players are privy to the information that us long-time players are. Consider that when you comment on champion point articles, as most of the new players know nothing of it.
Edit -- to further explain my position: I want new players to feel like they have a chance to make a mark and be competitive or on a similar playing field with players that have been playing a long time. There will always be better players, but we don't need to make every player objectively better through an effective wall like the current iteration of the Champion System.Edited by Paradox on June 22, 2015 1:52AMEbonheart Pact
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Tank And Spank - DragonKnightI've quit the game until ZoS stops acting like the community are children, and start actually listening to us.0 -
King Bozo✭✭✭And if you come here and cry about the ones who have invested so much time for grinding them and etc.
What do you want, losing thousand and thousand of new player that are gonna be pissed of by CP and the impossible catch up , that pvp is nothing but unfairness and op players and the fact new player will never be able to get in leaderboards or lose 10-20 player pissed they lost there 500 champions points?
Your not always going to be the best at everything. You can always take your ball and go home.1 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »More hyperbole and name calling. Show me even one thread by a new player complaining about this. Fact is its only people with multiple VR characters who have been here a long time complaining. How about letting the new players deal with their own complaints instead of making up stuff?
Face it fact is no new players care about this CP system. Everyone has been enjoying it now for quite some time. The only reason you guys are saying this "Oh please God think of the new players!!" is because the new XP pots also affect CP. Noone has complained in all these months from PTS to live.
Not all new players are privy to the information that us long-time players are. Consider that when you comment on champion point articles, as most of the new players know nothing of it.
Oh please its been all over. New players know all about the CP system. How about you let the new players complain if they wish instead of making up stuff?0 -
jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all the MMOs I have ever played. It is always the end of the world. Its always someone who says "Oh this doesnt affect me but please for the love of god think of the casuals!!". Or they want the game to be another game. Even tho they could play a game that supposedly has everything they want they refuse and say they want this game to change. Meanwhile the other 99% of the players are in the game happily playing and spending money.
Then they claim because of three posts on the forums everyone is behind them and everyone hates the CP system. Ive never ran into a single person in the game complaining. When I get beat I think to myself "I need to learn to play better so I come back and kick this guy's butt!". Not scream nerf people who play so I can come in after a week and dominate in pvp.
Man, you've gotten to the point of strawmanning an entire group of people under one argument.
Are you this desperate to protect your grinding?
I dont know what you mean by "grinding". If you mean sitting around mindlessly killing mobs ya I do that sometimes for fun. Ive done every quest in the game. I have I believe less than 25 achievements to complete. I have done all the vet dungeon achievements. Really the only ones I havent done are fishing. I probably wont ever do those.
What that has to do with CP gains etc I have no idea. If you mean people get more XP from grinding mobs thats just how it is.
And that's just how it shouldn't be. Of course you seem to have no problem with that considering you do grind "for fun". But the fact that you get more XP from grinding than anything else under equal time is one of the main problems of the CP system (or XP system if you wish), which I already explained previously.
How it shouldnt be according to who? Who made you the person who gets to dictate what everyone else can do?
Uh, the majority of people?
The majority of people do not like to grind. They even hate grinding.
Instead they prefer to quest and PvP over grinding.
So why should ZOS incentivize and give grinding more XP when everyone except you and a couple other dudes who don't have a job don't prefer grinding?
How do you know what the majority of people want? You only speak for yourself.
Lmao if you don't think most people hate grinding or at least prefer questing/PvP over grinding, you're blatantly lying and trying to be a weasel.
You again do not speak for anyone but yourself. I know a LOT of people who enjoy a little mindless farming. You cannot possibly know what the majority like unless you have talked to everyone who plays the game. Since you havent your claims are baseless and uninformed.0 -
Dru1076✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all thejamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all the MMOs I have ever played. It is always the end of the world. Its always someone who says "Oh this doesnt affect me but please for the love of god think of the casuals!!". Or they want the game to be another game. Even tho they could play a game that supposedly has everything they want they refuse and say they want this game to change. Meanwhile the other 99% of the players are in the game happily playing and spending money.
Then they claim because of three posts on the forums everyone is behind them and everyone hates the CP system. Ive never ran into a single person in the game complaining. When I get beat I think to myself "I need to learn to play better so I come back and kick this guy's butt!". Not scream nerf people who play so I can come in after a week and dominate in pvp.
Man, you've gotten to the point of strawmanning an entire group of people under one argument.
Are you this desperate to protect your grinding?
I dont know what you mean by "grinding". If you mean sitting around mindlessly killing mobs ya I do that sometimes for fun. Ive done every quest in the game. I have I believe less than 25 achievements to complete. I have done all the vet dungeon achievements. Really the only ones I havent done are fishing. I probably wont ever do those.
What that has to do with CP gains etc I have no idea. If you mean people get more XP from grinding mobs thats just how it is.
And that's just how it shouldn't be. Of course you seem to have no problem with that considering you do grind "for fun". But the fact that you get more XP from grinding than anything else under equal time is one of the main problems of the CP system (or XP system if you wish), which I already explained previously.
How it shouldnt be according to who? Who made you the person who gets to dictate what everyone else can do?
Uh, the majority of people?
The majority of people do not like to grind. They even hate grinding.
Instead they prefer to quest and PvP over grinding.
So why should ZOS incentivize and give grinding more XP when everyone except you and a couple other dudes who don't have a job don't prefer grinding?
How do you know what the majority of people want? You only speak for yourself.
Lmao if you don't think most people hate grinding or at least prefer questing/PvP over grinding, you're blatantly lying and trying to be a weasel.
You again do not speak for anyone but yourself. I know a LOT of people who enjoy a little mindless farming. You cannot possibly know what the majority like unless you have talked to everyone who plays the game. Since you havent your claims are baseless and uninformed.
And you have asked everybody, James? And you do speak for everybody? C'mon guys...there are people in both camps on this one. Cant we talk about Champion Points and ways to make it work for everyone?Edited by Dru1076 on June 22, 2015 1:58AMAsk not what your sweetroll can do for you....0 -
BigInGlenumbra✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all the MMOs I have ever played. It is always the end of the world. Its always someone who says "Oh this doesnt affect me but please for the love of god think of the casuals!!". Or they want the game to be another game. Even tho they could play a game that supposedly has everything they want they refuse and say they want this game to change. Meanwhile the other 99% of the players are in the game happily playing and spending money.
Then they claim because of three posts on the forums everyone is behind them and everyone hates the CP system. Ive never ran into a single person in the game complaining. When I get beat I think to myself "I need to learn to play better so I come back and kick this guy's butt!". Not scream nerf people who play so I can come in after a week and dominate in pvp.
Man, you've gotten to the point of strawmanning an entire group of people under one argument.
Are you this desperate to protect your grinding?
I dont know what you mean by "grinding". If you mean sitting around mindlessly killing mobs ya I do that sometimes for fun. Ive done every quest in the game. I have I believe less than 25 achievements to complete. I have done all the vet dungeon achievements. Really the only ones I havent done are fishing. I probably wont ever do those.
What that has to do with CP gains etc I have no idea. If you mean people get more XP from grinding mobs thats just how it is.
And that's just how it shouldn't be. Of course you seem to have no problem with that considering you do grind "for fun". But the fact that you get more XP from grinding than anything else under equal time is one of the main problems of the CP system (or XP system if you wish), which I already explained previously.
How it shouldnt be according to who? Who made you the person who gets to dictate what everyone else can do?
Uh, the majority of people?
The majority of people do not like to grind. They even hate grinding.
Instead they prefer to quest and PvP over grinding.
So why should ZOS incentivize and give grinding more XP when everyone except you and a couple other dudes who don't have a job don't prefer grinding?
How do you know what the majority of people want? You only speak for yourself.
Lmao if you don't think most people hate grinding or at least prefer questing/PvP over grinding, you're blatantly lying and trying to be a weasel.
You again do not speak for anyone but yourself. I know a LOT of people who enjoy a little mindless farming. You cannot possibly know what the majority like unless you have talked to everyone who plays the game. Since you havent your claims are baseless and uninformed.
Still trying to stick to your argument that people like grinding as much as questing/PvP? Hahaha
Also, you don't need to talk to EVERYONE. Learn probability and statistics. Not even governments and scientists look after EVERY subject in a given area.
Most people don't like grinding. Face it, you're shamelessely lying right now. If we went with your lie that people like grinding as much as questing/PvP, tell me why everyone isn't grinding since grinding rewards more XP?
Why do you see more people questing and doing PvP instead of grinding?
Are grinders hiding in secret caves? Is that it?
I'd like to see what you come up with next rofl1 -
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✭✭✭BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all the MMOs I have ever played. It is always the end of the world. Its always someone who says "Oh this doesnt affect me but please for the love of god think of the casuals!!". Or they want the game to be another game. Even tho they could play a game that supposedly has everything they want they refuse and say they want this game to change. Meanwhile the other 99% of the players are in the game happily playing and spending money.
Then they claim because of three posts on the forums everyone is behind them and everyone hates the CP system. Ive never ran into a single person in the game complaining. When I get beat I think to myself "I need to learn to play better so I come back and kick this guy's butt!". Not scream nerf people who play so I can come in after a week and dominate in pvp.
Man, you've gotten to the point of strawmanning an entire group of people under one argument.
Are you this desperate to protect your grinding?
I dont know what you mean by "grinding". If you mean sitting around mindlessly killing mobs ya I do that sometimes for fun. Ive done every quest in the game. I have I believe less than 25 achievements to complete. I have done all the vet dungeon achievements. Really the only ones I havent done are fishing. I probably wont ever do those.
What that has to do with CP gains etc I have no idea. If you mean people get more XP from grinding mobs thats just how it is.
And that's just how it shouldn't be. Of course you seem to have no problem with that considering you do grind "for fun". But the fact that you get more XP from grinding than anything else under equal time is one of the main problems of the CP system (or XP system if you wish), which I already explained previously.
How it shouldnt be according to who? Who made you the person who gets to dictate what everyone else can do?
Uh, the majority of people?
The majority of people do not like to grind. They even hate grinding.
Instead they prefer to quest and PvP over grinding.
So why should ZOS incentivize and give grinding more XP when everyone except you and a couple other dudes who don't have a job don't prefer grinding?
How do you know what the majority of people want? You only speak for yourself.
Lmao if you don't think most people hate grinding or at least prefer questing/PvP over grinding, you're blatantly lying and trying to be a weasel.
You again do not speak for anyone but yourself. I know a LOT of people who enjoy a little mindless farming. You cannot possibly know what the majority like unless you have talked to everyone who plays the game. Since you havent your claims are baseless and uninformed.
Still trying to stick to your argument that people like grinding as much as questing/PvP? Hahaha
Also, you don't need to talk to EVERYONE. Learn probability and statistics. Not even governments and scientists look after EVERY subject in a given area.
Most people don't like grinding. Face it, you're shamelessely lying right now. If we went with your lie that people like grinding as much as questing/PvP, tell me why everyone isn't grinding since grinding rewards more XP?
Why do you see more people questing and doing PvP instead of grinding?
Are grinders hiding in secret caves? Is that it?
I'd like to see what you come up with next rofl
If you look around there are a ton of spots people grind out mobs in. Its not a secret cave but it is a delve and also vet dungeons. For landscape Im sure if you look around you will find the spots. Not hard to miss because there are a ton of people there grinding mobs. Far more than I see trying to do vet dungeons, quests or anything like that. Craglorn is a good example of my point.
Noone in craglorn does the quests. They are long, tedious and unless you are on the same phase you cant help anyone else. Meanwhile you can level up rather quickly using the mobs. Even with the XP nerfs its still a viable alternative to questing.0 -
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BigInGlenumbra✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all the MMOs I have ever played. It is always the end of the world. Its always someone who says "Oh this doesnt affect me but please for the love of god think of the casuals!!". Or they want the game to be another game. Even tho they could play a game that supposedly has everything they want they refuse and say they want this game to change. Meanwhile the other 99% of the players are in the game happily playing and spending money.
Then they claim because of three posts on the forums everyone is behind them and everyone hates the CP system. Ive never ran into a single person in the game complaining. When I get beat I think to myself "I need to learn to play better so I come back and kick this guy's butt!". Not scream nerf people who play so I can come in after a week and dominate in pvp.
Man, you've gotten to the point of strawmanning an entire group of people under one argument.
Are you this desperate to protect your grinding?
I dont know what you mean by "grinding". If you mean sitting around mindlessly killing mobs ya I do that sometimes for fun. Ive done every quest in the game. I have I believe less than 25 achievements to complete. I have done all the vet dungeon achievements. Really the only ones I havent done are fishing. I probably wont ever do those.
What that has to do with CP gains etc I have no idea. If you mean people get more XP from grinding mobs thats just how it is.
And that's just how it shouldn't be. Of course you seem to have no problem with that considering you do grind "for fun". But the fact that you get more XP from grinding than anything else under equal time is one of the main problems of the CP system (or XP system if you wish), which I already explained previously.
How it shouldnt be according to who? Who made you the person who gets to dictate what everyone else can do?
Uh, the majority of people?
The majority of people do not like to grind. They even hate grinding.
Instead they prefer to quest and PvP over grinding.
So why should ZOS incentivize and give grinding more XP when everyone except you and a couple other dudes who don't have a job don't prefer grinding?
How do you know what the majority of people want? You only speak for yourself.
Lmao if you don't think most people hate grinding or at least prefer questing/PvP over grinding, you're blatantly lying and trying to be a weasel.
You again do not speak for anyone but yourself. I know a LOT of people who enjoy a little mindless farming. You cannot possibly know what the majority like unless you have talked to everyone who plays the game. Since you havent your claims are baseless and uninformed.
Still trying to stick to your argument that people like grinding as much as questing/PvP? Hahaha
Also, you don't need to talk to EVERYONE. Learn probability and statistics. Not even governments and scientists look after EVERY subject in a given area.
Most people don't like grinding. Face it, you're shamelessely lying right now. If we went with your lie that people like grinding as much as questing/PvP, tell me why everyone isn't grinding since grinding rewards more XP?
Why do you see more people questing and doing PvP instead of grinding?
Are grinders hiding in secret caves? Is that it?
I'd like to see what you come up with next rofl
If you look around there are a ton of spots people grind out mobs in. Its not a secret cave but it is a delve and also vet dungeons. For landscape Im sure if you look around you will find the spots. Not hard to miss because there are a ton of people there grinding mobs. Far more than I see trying to do vet dungeons, quests or anything like that. Craglorn is a good example of my point.
Noone in craglorn does the quests. They are long, tedious and unless you are on the same phase you cant help anyone else. Meanwhile you can level up rather quickly using the mobs. Even with the XP nerfs its still a viable alternative to questing.
You didn't really answer the question. You said some people grind, and they like it.
I specifically asked why there are more questers/PvPers than grinders.0 -
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✭✭✭BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all the MMOs I have ever played. It is always the end of the world. Its always someone who says "Oh this doesnt affect me but please for the love of god think of the casuals!!". Or they want the game to be another game. Even tho they could play a game that supposedly has everything they want they refuse and say they want this game to change. Meanwhile the other 99% of the players are in the game happily playing and spending money.
Then they claim because of three posts on the forums everyone is behind them and everyone hates the CP system. Ive never ran into a single person in the game complaining. When I get beat I think to myself "I need to learn to play better so I come back and kick this guy's butt!". Not scream nerf people who play so I can come in after a week and dominate in pvp.
Man, you've gotten to the point of strawmanning an entire group of people under one argument.
Are you this desperate to protect your grinding?
I dont know what you mean by "grinding". If you mean sitting around mindlessly killing mobs ya I do that sometimes for fun. Ive done every quest in the game. I have I believe less than 25 achievements to complete. I have done all the vet dungeon achievements. Really the only ones I havent done are fishing. I probably wont ever do those.
What that has to do with CP gains etc I have no idea. If you mean people get more XP from grinding mobs thats just how it is.
And that's just how it shouldn't be. Of course you seem to have no problem with that considering you do grind "for fun". But the fact that you get more XP from grinding than anything else under equal time is one of the main problems of the CP system (or XP system if you wish), which I already explained previously.
How it shouldnt be according to who? Who made you the person who gets to dictate what everyone else can do?
Uh, the majority of people?
The majority of people do not like to grind. They even hate grinding.
Instead they prefer to quest and PvP over grinding.
So why should ZOS incentivize and give grinding more XP when everyone except you and a couple other dudes who don't have a job don't prefer grinding?
How do you know what the majority of people want? You only speak for yourself.
Lmao if you don't think most people hate grinding or at least prefer questing/PvP over grinding, you're blatantly lying and trying to be a weasel.
You again do not speak for anyone but yourself. I know a LOT of people who enjoy a little mindless farming. You cannot possibly know what the majority like unless you have talked to everyone who plays the game. Since you havent your claims are baseless and uninformed.
Still trying to stick to your argument that people like grinding as much as questing/PvP? Hahaha
Also, you don't need to talk to EVERYONE. Learn probability and statistics. Not even governments and scientists look after EVERY subject in a given area.
Most people don't like grinding. Face it, you're shamelessely lying right now. If we went with your lie that people like grinding as much as questing/PvP, tell me why everyone isn't grinding since grinding rewards more XP?
Why do you see more people questing and doing PvP instead of grinding?
Are grinders hiding in secret caves? Is that it?
I'd like to see what you come up with next rofl
If you look around there are a ton of spots people grind out mobs in. Its not a secret cave but it is a delve and also vet dungeons. For landscape Im sure if you look around you will find the spots. Not hard to miss because there are a ton of people there grinding mobs. Far more than I see trying to do vet dungeons, quests or anything like that. Craglorn is a good example of my point.
Noone in craglorn does the quests. They are long, tedious and unless you are on the same phase you cant help anyone else. Meanwhile you can level up rather quickly using the mobs. Even with the XP nerfs its still a viable alternative to questing.
You didn't really answer the question. You said some people grind, and they like it.
I specifically asked why there are more questers/PvPers than grinders.
I specifically told you that you have no idea how many people quest as opposed to grinding out levels. Here is just one place you go there and look for yourself.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/163197/grind-700-750k-exp-h-cracked-wood-cave-with-math
Note it IS a cave. It was kind of secret too. Not anymore tho lol.Edited by jamesharv2005ub17_ESO on June 22, 2015 2:32AM0 -
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BigInGlenumbra✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all the MMOs I have ever played. It is always the end of the world. Its always someone who says "Oh this doesnt affect me but please for the love of god think of the casuals!!". Or they want the game to be another game. Even tho they could play a game that supposedly has everything they want they refuse and say they want this game to change. Meanwhile the other 99% of the players are in the game happily playing and spending money.
Then they claim because of three posts on the forums everyone is behind them and everyone hates the CP system. Ive never ran into a single person in the game complaining. When I get beat I think to myself "I need to learn to play better so I come back and kick this guy's butt!". Not scream nerf people who play so I can come in after a week and dominate in pvp.
Man, you've gotten to the point of strawmanning an entire group of people under one argument.
Are you this desperate to protect your grinding?
I dont know what you mean by "grinding". If you mean sitting around mindlessly killing mobs ya I do that sometimes for fun. Ive done every quest in the game. I have I believe less than 25 achievements to complete. I have done all the vet dungeon achievements. Really the only ones I havent done are fishing. I probably wont ever do those.
What that has to do with CP gains etc I have no idea. If you mean people get more XP from grinding mobs thats just how it is.
And that's just how it shouldn't be. Of course you seem to have no problem with that considering you do grind "for fun". But the fact that you get more XP from grinding than anything else under equal time is one of the main problems of the CP system (or XP system if you wish), which I already explained previously.
How it shouldnt be according to who? Who made you the person who gets to dictate what everyone else can do?
Uh, the majority of people?
The majority of people do not like to grind. They even hate grinding.
Instead they prefer to quest and PvP over grinding.
So why should ZOS incentivize and give grinding more XP when everyone except you and a couple other dudes who don't have a job don't prefer grinding?
How do you know what the majority of people want? You only speak for yourself.
Lmao if you don't think most people hate grinding or at least prefer questing/PvP over grinding, you're blatantly lying and trying to be a weasel.
You again do not speak for anyone but yourself. I know a LOT of people who enjoy a little mindless farming. You cannot possibly know what the majority like unless you have talked to everyone who plays the game. Since you havent your claims are baseless and uninformed.
Still trying to stick to your argument that people like grinding as much as questing/PvP? Hahaha
Also, you don't need to talk to EVERYONE. Learn probability and statistics. Not even governments and scientists look after EVERY subject in a given area.
Most people don't like grinding. Face it, you're shamelessely lying right now. If we went with your lie that people like grinding as much as questing/PvP, tell me why everyone isn't grinding since grinding rewards more XP?
Why do you see more people questing and doing PvP instead of grinding?
Are grinders hiding in secret caves? Is that it?
I'd like to see what you come up with next rofl
If you look around there are a ton of spots people grind out mobs in. Its not a secret cave but it is a delve and also vet dungeons. For landscape Im sure if you look around you will find the spots. Not hard to miss because there are a ton of people there grinding mobs. Far more than I see trying to do vet dungeons, quests or anything like that. Craglorn is a good example of my point.
Noone in craglorn does the quests. They are long, tedious and unless you are on the same phase you cant help anyone else. Meanwhile you can level up rather quickly using the mobs. Even with the XP nerfs its still a viable alternative to questing.
You didn't really answer the question. You said some people grind, and they like it.
I specifically asked why there are more questers/PvPers than grinders.
I specifically told you that you have no idea how many people quest as opposed to grinding out levels. Here is just one place you go there and look for yourself.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/163197/grind-700-750k-exp-h-cracked-wood-cave-with-math
Note it IS a cave. It was kind of secret too. Not anymore tho lol.
You played this game for so many hours, and you don't know roughly if questers/PvPers make up a larger portion of the playerbase than grinders, AND you don't know (or refuse to acknowledge) if people prefer to quest/PvP over grind?
Lol, it's funny that you dodge all of these questions with petty non-answers, saying "oh but I've met many people who said they like to grind" which doesn't mean they don't prefer questing/PvPing over grinding, and "oh but I've seen many people grind" which also doesn't answer the question as to whether you see there are more questers/PvPers.
I guess we're not going to get anywhere so long as you refuse to use common sense and continue the lie that people like to grind just as much as PvP and questing (lol). Very shameless.1 -
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✭✭✭BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all the MMOs I have ever played. It is always the end of the world. Its always someone who says "Oh this doesnt affect me but please for the love of god think of the casuals!!". Or they want the game to be another game. Even tho they could play a game that supposedly has everything they want they refuse and say they want this game to change. Meanwhile the other 99% of the players are in the game happily playing and spending money.
Then they claim because of three posts on the forums everyone is behind them and everyone hates the CP system. Ive never ran into a single person in the game complaining. When I get beat I think to myself "I need to learn to play better so I come back and kick this guy's butt!". Not scream nerf people who play so I can come in after a week and dominate in pvp.
Man, you've gotten to the point of strawmanning an entire group of people under one argument.
Are you this desperate to protect your grinding?
I dont know what you mean by "grinding". If you mean sitting around mindlessly killing mobs ya I do that sometimes for fun. Ive done every quest in the game. I have I believe less than 25 achievements to complete. I have done all the vet dungeon achievements. Really the only ones I havent done are fishing. I probably wont ever do those.
What that has to do with CP gains etc I have no idea. If you mean people get more XP from grinding mobs thats just how it is.
And that's just how it shouldn't be. Of course you seem to have no problem with that considering you do grind "for fun". But the fact that you get more XP from grinding than anything else under equal time is one of the main problems of the CP system (or XP system if you wish), which I already explained previously.
How it shouldnt be according to who? Who made you the person who gets to dictate what everyone else can do?
Uh, the majority of people?
The majority of people do not like to grind. They even hate grinding.
Instead they prefer to quest and PvP over grinding.
So why should ZOS incentivize and give grinding more XP when everyone except you and a couple other dudes who don't have a job don't prefer grinding?
How do you know what the majority of people want? You only speak for yourself.
Lmao if you don't think most people hate grinding or at least prefer questing/PvP over grinding, you're blatantly lying and trying to be a weasel.
You again do not speak for anyone but yourself. I know a LOT of people who enjoy a little mindless farming. You cannot possibly know what the majority like unless you have talked to everyone who plays the game. Since you havent your claims are baseless and uninformed.
Still trying to stick to your argument that people like grinding as much as questing/PvP? Hahaha
Also, you don't need to talk to EVERYONE. Learn probability and statistics. Not even governments and scientists look after EVERY subject in a given area.
Most people don't like grinding. Face it, you're shamelessely lying right now. If we went with your lie that people like grinding as much as questing/PvP, tell me why everyone isn't grinding since grinding rewards more XP?
Why do you see more people questing and doing PvP instead of grinding?
Are grinders hiding in secret caves? Is that it?
I'd like to see what you come up with next rofl
If you look around there are a ton of spots people grind out mobs in. Its not a secret cave but it is a delve and also vet dungeons. For landscape Im sure if you look around you will find the spots. Not hard to miss because there are a ton of people there grinding mobs. Far more than I see trying to do vet dungeons, quests or anything like that. Craglorn is a good example of my point.
Noone in craglorn does the quests. They are long, tedious and unless you are on the same phase you cant help anyone else. Meanwhile you can level up rather quickly using the mobs. Even with the XP nerfs its still a viable alternative to questing.
You didn't really answer the question. You said some people grind, and they like it.
I specifically asked why there are more questers/PvPers than grinders.
I specifically told you that you have no idea how many people quest as opposed to grinding out levels. Here is just one place you go there and look for yourself.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/163197/grind-700-750k-exp-h-cracked-wood-cave-with-math
Note it IS a cave. It was kind of secret too. Not anymore tho lol.
You played this game for so many hours, and you don't know roughly if questers/PvPers make up a larger portion of the playerbase than grinders, AND you don't know (or refuse to acknowledge) if people prefer to quest/PvP over grind?
Lol, it's funny that you dodge all of these questions with petty non-answers, saying "oh but I've met many people who said they like to grind" which doesn't mean they don't prefer questing/PvPing over grinding, and "oh but I've seen many people grind" which also doesn't answer the question as to whether you see there are more questers/PvPers.
I guess we're not going to get anywhere so long as you refuse to use common sense and continue the lie that people like to grind just as much as PvP and questing (lol). Very shameless.
Look I know you think you know everything. You dont. You havent spoken to everyone. You just assume things. Meanwhile I show you factual information. Go on you tube and search for VR XP gring locations ESO. There are 100s of videos. So dont tell me what the majority of people like because you again have no clue. Ive been playing this game since before it was released. One of the biggest complaints is being forced to do the silver and gold quests to level up. If everyone loves questing so much why would they even debate removing vet ranks?
So ya obviously you dont have any clue what anyone but yourself likes. That or are just too blind to see beyond your nose.1 -
BigInGlenumbra✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all the MMOs I have ever played. It is always the end of the world. Its always someone who says "Oh this doesnt affect me but please for the love of god think of the casuals!!". Or they want the game to be another game. Even tho they could play a game that supposedly has everything they want they refuse and say they want this game to change. Meanwhile the other 99% of the players are in the game happily playing and spending money.
Then they claim because of three posts on the forums everyone is behind them and everyone hates the CP system. Ive never ran into a single person in the game complaining. When I get beat I think to myself "I need to learn to play better so I come back and kick this guy's butt!". Not scream nerf people who play so I can come in after a week and dominate in pvp.
Man, you've gotten to the point of strawmanning an entire group of people under one argument.
Are you this desperate to protect your grinding?
I dont know what you mean by "grinding". If you mean sitting around mindlessly killing mobs ya I do that sometimes for fun. Ive done every quest in the game. I have I believe less than 25 achievements to complete. I have done all the vet dungeon achievements. Really the only ones I havent done are fishing. I probably wont ever do those.
What that has to do with CP gains etc I have no idea. If you mean people get more XP from grinding mobs thats just how it is.
And that's just how it shouldn't be. Of course you seem to have no problem with that considering you do grind "for fun". But the fact that you get more XP from grinding than anything else under equal time is one of the main problems of the CP system (or XP system if you wish), which I already explained previously.
How it shouldnt be according to who? Who made you the person who gets to dictate what everyone else can do?
Uh, the majority of people?
The majority of people do not like to grind. They even hate grinding.
Instead they prefer to quest and PvP over grinding.
So why should ZOS incentivize and give grinding more XP when everyone except you and a couple other dudes who don't have a job don't prefer grinding?
How do you know what the majority of people want? You only speak for yourself.
Lmao if you don't think most people hate grinding or at least prefer questing/PvP over grinding, you're blatantly lying and trying to be a weasel.
You again do not speak for anyone but yourself. I know a LOT of people who enjoy a little mindless farming. You cannot possibly know what the majority like unless you have talked to everyone who plays the game. Since you havent your claims are baseless and uninformed.
Still trying to stick to your argument that people like grinding as much as questing/PvP? Hahaha
Also, you don't need to talk to EVERYONE. Learn probability and statistics. Not even governments and scientists look after EVERY subject in a given area.
Most people don't like grinding. Face it, you're shamelessely lying right now. If we went with your lie that people like grinding as much as questing/PvP, tell me why everyone isn't grinding since grinding rewards more XP?
Why do you see more people questing and doing PvP instead of grinding?
Are grinders hiding in secret caves? Is that it?
I'd like to see what you come up with next rofl
If you look around there are a ton of spots people grind out mobs in. Its not a secret cave but it is a delve and also vet dungeons. For landscape Im sure if you look around you will find the spots. Not hard to miss because there are a ton of people there grinding mobs. Far more than I see trying to do vet dungeons, quests or anything like that. Craglorn is a good example of my point.
Noone in craglorn does the quests. They are long, tedious and unless you are on the same phase you cant help anyone else. Meanwhile you can level up rather quickly using the mobs. Even with the XP nerfs its still a viable alternative to questing.
You didn't really answer the question. You said some people grind, and they like it.
I specifically asked why there are more questers/PvPers than grinders.
I specifically told you that you have no idea how many people quest as opposed to grinding out levels. Here is just one place you go there and look for yourself.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/163197/grind-700-750k-exp-h-cracked-wood-cave-with-math
Note it IS a cave. It was kind of secret too. Not anymore tho lol.
You played this game for so many hours, and you don't know roughly if questers/PvPers make up a larger portion of the playerbase than grinders, AND you don't know (or refuse to acknowledge) if people prefer to quest/PvP over grind?
Lol, it's funny that you dodge all of these questions with petty non-answers, saying "oh but I've met many people who said they like to grind" which doesn't mean they don't prefer questing/PvPing over grinding, and "oh but I've seen many people grind" which also doesn't answer the question as to whether you see there are more questers/PvPers.
I guess we're not going to get anywhere so long as you refuse to use common sense and continue the lie that people like to grind just as much as PvP and questing (lol). Very shameless.
Look I know you think you know everything. You dont. You havent spoken to everyone. You just assume things. Meanwhile I show you factual information. Go on you tube and search for VR XP gring locations ESO. There are 100s of videos. So dont tell me what the majority of people like because you again have no clue. Ive been playing this game since before it was released. One of the biggest complaints is being forced to do the silver and gold quests to level up. If everyone loves questing so much why would they even debate removing vet ranks?
So ya obviously you dont have any clue what anyone but yourself likes. That or are just too blind to see beyond your nose.
How do those videos prove that people consider grinding > questing/pvp?
You're delusional if you think the majority, casuals, prefer grinding.
Also you don't need every person to determine anything. You need a sizeable amount of diverse people and with that you use that as a rough estimate for the whole population. That's how statistics works. Every person is not needed.1 -
Paradox✭✭✭✭James, get more toxic, by all means. Please. You're really contributing to this conversation by insulting people and just further explaining reasons why CP needs to be changed. The fact that we can grind them and make the already simple content in the game even simpler is another issue that needs to be addressed.
Maybe think about the game and its future, instead of the elite few who have all the CP at the moment. You get them in a group and nobody with less CP stands a chance. Think for a moment about new players encountering that difference and learning that there's no way to bridge that gap. Ever. They will always be behind these people that grind, and that needs to change.
An MMO isn't meant for the 1% to rule 99% of the content. It's for the majority of the players to enjoy, experience, and compete on an (at least nearly) equal playing field against players. The current Champion System forbids that from ever happening, ever. There is no way to catch up or get on-par with players that have played longer.
If you want that type of game, then you are in the minority, as I can assure you that the very few people want a completely unfair playing field. You don't play a game to be destroyed in PvP or PvE by players that can never be equaled.
But if you want to continue to be toxic and unhelpful to the primary focus of the discussion, you go right ahead. I'm not here to tell you what you can and can't do, just to implore you to see that the game is in a bad state because of the Champion System, and that it will only get worse and worse.Ebonheart Pact
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Tank And Spank - DragonKnightI've quit the game until ZoS stops acting like the community are children, and start actually listening to us.3 -
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✭✭✭BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »BigInGlenumbra wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I see this in pretty much all the MMOs I have ever played. It is always the end of the world. Its always someone who says "Oh this doesnt affect me but please for the love of god think of the casuals!!". Or they want the game to be another game. Even tho they could play a game that supposedly has everything they want they refuse and say they want this game to change. Meanwhile the other 99% of the players are in the game happily playing and spending money.
Then they claim because of three posts on the forums everyone is behind them and everyone hates the CP system. Ive never ran into a single person in the game complaining. When I get beat I think to myself "I need to learn to play better so I come back and kick this guy's butt!". Not scream nerf people who play so I can come in after a week and dominate in pvp.
Man, you've gotten to the point of strawmanning an entire group of people under one argument.
Are you this desperate to protect your grinding?
I dont know what you mean by "grinding". If you mean sitting around mindlessly killing mobs ya I do that sometimes for fun. Ive done every quest in the game. I have I believe less than 25 achievements to complete. I have done all the vet dungeon achievements. Really the only ones I havent done are fishing. I probably wont ever do those.
What that has to do with CP gains etc I have no idea. If you mean people get more XP from grinding mobs thats just how it is.
And that's just how it shouldn't be. Of course you seem to have no problem with that considering you do grind "for fun". But the fact that you get more XP from grinding than anything else under equal time is one of the main problems of the CP system (or XP system if you wish), which I already explained previously.
How it shouldnt be according to who? Who made you the person who gets to dictate what everyone else can do?
Uh, the majority of people?
The majority of people do not like to grind. They even hate grinding.
Instead they prefer to quest and PvP over grinding.
So why should ZOS incentivize and give grinding more XP when everyone except you and a couple other dudes who don't have a job don't prefer grinding?
How do you know what the majority of people want? You only speak for yourself.
Lmao if you don't think most people hate grinding or at least prefer questing/PvP over grinding, you're blatantly lying and trying to be a weasel.
You again do not speak for anyone but yourself. I know a LOT of people who enjoy a little mindless farming. You cannot possibly know what the majority like unless you have talked to everyone who plays the game. Since you havent your claims are baseless and uninformed.
Still trying to stick to your argument that people like grinding as much as questing/PvP? Hahaha
Also, you don't need to talk to EVERYONE. Learn probability and statistics. Not even governments and scientists look after EVERY subject in a given area.
Most people don't like grinding. Face it, you're shamelessely lying right now. If we went with your lie that people like grinding as much as questing/PvP, tell me why everyone isn't grinding since grinding rewards more XP?
Why do you see more people questing and doing PvP instead of grinding?
Are grinders hiding in secret caves? Is that it?
I'd like to see what you come up with next rofl
If you look around there are a ton of spots people grind out mobs in. Its not a secret cave but it is a delve and also vet dungeons. For landscape Im sure if you look around you will find the spots. Not hard to miss because there are a ton of people there grinding mobs. Far more than I see trying to do vet dungeons, quests or anything like that. Craglorn is a good example of my point.
Noone in craglorn does the quests. They are long, tedious and unless you are on the same phase you cant help anyone else. Meanwhile you can level up rather quickly using the mobs. Even with the XP nerfs its still a viable alternative to questing.
You didn't really answer the question. You said some people grind, and they like it.
I specifically asked why there are more questers/PvPers than grinders.
I specifically told you that you have no idea how many people quest as opposed to grinding out levels. Here is just one place you go there and look for yourself.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/163197/grind-700-750k-exp-h-cracked-wood-cave-with-math
Note it IS a cave. It was kind of secret too. Not anymore tho lol.
You played this game for so many hours, and you don't know roughly if questers/PvPers make up a larger portion of the playerbase than grinders, AND you don't know (or refuse to acknowledge) if people prefer to quest/PvP over grind?
Lol, it's funny that you dodge all of these questions with petty non-answers, saying "oh but I've met many people who said they like to grind" which doesn't mean they don't prefer questing/PvPing over grinding, and "oh but I've seen many people grind" which also doesn't answer the question as to whether you see there are more questers/PvPers.
I guess we're not going to get anywhere so long as you refuse to use common sense and continue the lie that people like to grind just as much as PvP and questing (lol). Very shameless.
Look I know you think you know everything. You dont. You havent spoken to everyone. You just assume things. Meanwhile I show you factual information. Go on you tube and search for VR XP gring locations ESO. There are 100s of videos. So dont tell me what the majority of people like because you again have no clue. Ive been playing this game since before it was released. One of the biggest complaints is being forced to do the silver and gold quests to level up. If everyone loves questing so much why would they even debate removing vet ranks?
So ya obviously you dont have any clue what anyone but yourself likes. That or are just too blind to see beyond your nose.
How do those videos prove that people consider grinding > questing/pvp?
You're delusional if you think the majority, casuals, prefer grinding.
Also you don't need every person to determine anything. You need a sizeable amount of diverse people and with that you use that as a rough estimate for the whole population. That's how statistics works. Every person is not needed.
Unlike you I never chose to speak for everyone. I never said anything about it. Meanwhile you assume to speak for the majority.0
