mrskinskull wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

@mrskinskull I did warn ya atleast first

Lol. This thread is jumbled and disjointed because of the cut and paste nature. I kind of like that all of the arguments for console text chat are so muddled and muted by this singular thread.

You were right about people being angry, but

If you're not making people angry, you are not telling the truth.

Most of us aren't angry with people decrying text chat as an end to the game we're just baffled, maybe a bit frustrated when the evidence is so clear.

The primary issue is an inability to consider more than your own perspective on events, solipsism.

You may personally find text chat a problem or distasteful but the vast majority as evidenced on many forums don't see it that way. Your own examples even break down your argument.

If you find someone's behavior a malfeasance, with voice chat you can yell at them a bit and hope they go away and not much else. You can't record voice chat without an external capture mechanism and the resulting footage could be easily faked. With text chat it would be minimal effort to screenshot the behavior and send the screenshot directly through a report mechanism if it were implemented resulting in 100% proof. I.e., they could ask you to select the segment of text chat in question and the game itself could take a screenshot of the evidence, or just a copy of the log.

Your primary concern seems to be people's negative behavior yet voice chat allows people to get away with all manner of crappy behavior up to and including actual domestic violence being that you have no easy way to prove, identify or report the person in question.

Sure, text chat would still allow for those voice chat people to get away with a lot but if the purpose of chat is to allow the protection of those you feel the overwhelming desire to protect, you could do a lot more damage to your ideological opponents with text than voice chat.

Meanwhile, people who just want an easier way to organize will also be happy. And I assure you few people are going to be typing mid-fight, no one argues against using voice chat once the group is organized. Those who would type then either lack a mic (yes the console comes with them but, surprise surprise, things break), or have some disability preventing them (that's the kind of person you want to protect isn't it?).

mrskinskull wrote: »

I help people regularly in voice area chat. Someone asks where is the blacksmith, you can just tell them. This is console so a keyboard is not handy to have around on my couch. Its easier to just say the answer and move on.
But, but, text chat would get your question answered by anyone anywhere!
Yup. And there is that tiny benefit.

But those same trolls you hate in area chat, the ones you can just walk away from or create a psn party to avoid?

They will have a wonderful bullhorn for all kinds of petty nonsense.

[snip]

You want to trick a few noobs into thinking the gold they just sent you is going to buy them a vamp bite?
Of course text chat makes sense, in voice chat people can hear how much of a slime you are. I have stopped two bite trolls from claiming victims in area chat. I overheard the trolls obvious scam and called him on it. He could barely stifle his laughter.

The game will prob eventually get text chat. I'm not going to stop every five mi utes to put. My controller down and plug my keyboard in just to answer your question. Or worse yet, you can't be bothered to use your mic and keep texting me every five minutes with comments relating to what my mic'd up friends talked about five minutes ago.

And if you are the keyboard cowboy, your hands aren't on the controller.

You are less helpful to your group. Use your group chat.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

lmao

It's really kind of sad when you read these arguments. I mean they are clearly just grasping at straws without any thought towards logic or reason. Frankly it's baffling do they actually believe what they are typing or are they just typing it for the sake of typing it. But let's try to break down some of his points

"This is console so a keyboard is not handy to have around on my couch"
It's not handy for you so logically no one should have the option.

"But those same trolls you hate in area.... They will have a wonderful bullhorn for all kinds of petty nonsense"
Then by those standards no game should have text chat whether it's PC or Console. I do wonder how PC works around this? I wonder if they have some sort of Block feature?

"I have stopped two bite trolls from claiming victims in area chat"
Oh our Hero

"voice chat people can hear how much of a slime you are"
Because never has a scam artist or "slime" ever tricked some one by talking to them in real life or over the phone.

"I'm not going to stop every five mi utes to put. My controller down and plug my keyboard in just to answer your question"
Great no one was asking you to. Also you can buy a Mini Bluetooth Keyboard at the most I think they are $20 on Amazon that you don't even have to plug in, crazy right? Kind of like your controller.

"your hands aren't on the controller..... You are less helpful to your group. Use your group chat."
Couldn't I just switch to mic once I'm in a group if it was absolutely needed?

See how simple that was. Just common rationality and logic. Also anyone find it a little ironic that he brings up how he doesn't want to waste his time by plugging in his controller every 5 minutes to answer questions, yet is totally willing to waste his time by brining up totally worthless arguments on a forum....

I will say I am a PC person but I got the PS4 version. I like it! But it really feels dead without some sort of communication. I have the voice chat on and most of time it is either dead or someone that I am hearing their quest through their mic. Frankly I am back to PC because it feels like a MMO to me. I really want to put my all into the PS4 but no chat system doesn't keep me hooked.

mrskinskull wrote: »

Amiculi wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

@mrskinskull I did warn ya atleast first

Lol. This thread is jumbled and disjointed because of the cut and paste nature. I kind of like that all of the arguments for console text chat are so muddled and muted by this singular thread.

You were right about people being angry, but

If you're not making people angry, you are not telling the truth.

Most of us aren't angry with people decrying text chat as an end to the game we're just baffled, maybe a bit frustrated when the evidence is so clear.

The primary issue is an inability to consider more than your own perspective on events, solipsism.

You may personally find text chat a problem or distasteful but the vast majority as evidenced on many forums don't see it that way. Your own examples even break down your argument.

If you find someone's behavior a malfeasance, with voice chat you can yell at them a bit and hope they go away and not much else. You can't record voice chat without an external capture mechanism and the resulting footage could be easily faked. With text chat it would be minimal effort to screenshot the behavior and send the screenshot directly through a report mechanism if it were implemented resulting in 100% proof. I.e., they could ask you to select the segment of text chat in question and the game itself could take a screenshot of the evidence, or just a copy of the log.

Your primary concern seems to be people's negative behavior yet voice chat allows people to get away with all manner of crappy behavior up to and including actual domestic violence being that you have no easy way to prove, identify or report the person in question.

Sure, text chat would still allow for those voice chat people to get away with a lot but if the purpose of chat is to allow the protection of those you feel the overwhelming desire to protect, you could do a lot more damage to your ideological opponents with text than voice chat.

Meanwhile, people who just want an easier way to organize will also be happy. And I assure you few people are going to be typing mid-fight, no one argues against using voice chat once the group is organized. Those who would type then either lack a mic (yes the console comes with them but, surprise surprise, things break), or have some disability preventing them (that's the kind of person you want to protect isn't it?).

Oh my gosh you love to type dont you. I didn't even read all that because anyone who hacks out a big blobby grey text block link this has already made their mind up.

Congrats on have a singular mind.

Many people lack the kind of focus that shuts out all other points of view while simultaneously decrying that it is being done to you.

You just described your own arguments perfectly.

mrskinskull wrote: »

Amiculi wrote: »

mrskinskull wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

@mrskinskull I did warn ya atleast first

Lol. This thread is jumbled and disjointed because of the cut and paste nature. I kind of like that all of the arguments for console text chat are so muddled and muted by this singular thread.

You were right about people being angry, but

If you're not making people angry, you are not telling the truth.

Most of us aren't angry with people decrying text chat as an end to the game we're just baffled, maybe a bit frustrated when the evidence is so clear.

The primary issue is an inability to consider more than your own perspective on events, solipsism.

You may personally find text chat a problem or distasteful but the vast majority as evidenced on many forums don't see it that way. Your own examples even break down your argument.

If you find someone's behavior a malfeasance, with voice chat you can yell at them a bit and hope they go away and not much else. You can't record voice chat without an external capture mechanism and the resulting footage could be easily faked. With text chat it would be minimal effort to screenshot the behavior and send the screenshot directly through a report mechanism if it were implemented resulting in 100% proof. I.e., they could ask you to select the segment of text chat in question and the game itself could take a screenshot of the evidence, or just a copy of the log.

Your primary concern seems to be people's negative behavior yet voice chat allows people to get away with all manner of crappy behavior up to and including actual domestic violence being that you have no easy way to prove, identify or report the person in question.

Sure, text chat would still allow for those voice chat people to get away with a lot but if the purpose of chat is to allow the protection of those you feel the overwhelming desire to protect, you could do a lot more damage to your ideological opponents with text than voice chat.

Meanwhile, people who just want an easier way to organize will also be happy. And I assure you few people are going to be typing mid-fight, no one argues against using voice chat once the group is organized. Those who would type then either lack a mic (yes the console comes with them but, surprise surprise, things break), or have some disability preventing them (that's the kind of person you want to protect isn't it?).

Oh my gosh you love to type dont you. I didn't even read all that because anyone who hacks out a big blobby grey text block link this has already made their mind up.

Congrats on have a singular mind.

Many people lack the kind of focus that shuts out all other points of view while simultaneously decrying that it is being done to you.

I'm sure you read his post. You just don't have a rebuttal so you resort to name calling and condescension.

mrskinskull wrote: »

Granz wrote: »

I will say I am a PC person but I got the PS4 version. I like it! But it really feels dead without some sort of communication. I have the voice chat on and most of time it is either dead or someone that I am hearing their quest through their mic. Frankly I am back to PC because it feels like a MMO to me. I really want to put my all into the PS4 but no chat system doesn't keep me hooked.

That's really weird. You bought a game that you already had and now that the experience is different and you are having trouble socialising you just go back to the other version of the game?

Its a different experience and you knew that when you bought the console version . No its not the cookie cutter mmo. But it is something very cool. Just turn the ui off and wander around in first person. Its really fun.

MRAHHH Play my way MRAHHH your way is wrong MRAHHH!!!

That's you @mrskinskull

I think they should just add text chat to the console version. So the people who are begging for it can begin complaining about how much they hate it or how it doesn't work right.

Lol. This. Thread is full of people ready to whinge over the smallest things. How many threads are there complaining about how bad ESO is? Its barely a month old. Text chat, no text chat.

The people that want it will be back here minutes after it is implemented.

There are some well crafted qq arguments here. I look forward to them.

Please accept my I told you so in advance as my hands will be full of popcorn.

mrskinskull wrote: »

Again I know my opinion is not popular here on the forums. But I found them on a fluke. The majority of players on console are loving the current communication system and see no need for text chat.

I am making the argument for the people having way to much fun to tangle with the negative complainers on these forums.

Text chat is redundant. After all within the context of thee forums many posters think they are witty. In reality they are bitter and petty and should in no way be given a trumpet to try to pour poison in the ears of a community largely enjoying their console experience.

I hope you have a great day and try to enjoy this awesome game.

Cheers.

Such a massive

mrskinskull wrote: »

Again I know my opinion is not popular here on the forums. But I found them on a fluke. The majority of players on console are loving the current communication system and see no need for text chat.

I am making the argument for the people having way to much fun to tangle with the negative complainers on these forums.

Text chat is redundant. After all within the context of thee forums many posters think they are witty. In reality they are bitter and petty and should in no way be given a trumpet to try to pour poison in the ears of a community largely enjoying their console experience.

I hope you have a great day and try to enjoy this awesome game.

Cheers.

So you can say with 100% certainty that the people that dont post on the forums dont want text chat? Thats a pretty big leap even for you.

mrskinskull wrote: »

Again I know my opinion is not popular here on the forums. But I found them on a fluke. The majority of players on console are loving the current communication system and see no need for text chat.

I am making the argument for the people having way to much fun to tangle with the negative complainers on these forums.

How about you limit your opinion to yourself and quit trying to speak for the masses, hmm?

I play on a PS4 as well, and I don't agree w/ your point of view at all. So no, you don't speak for the majority of console gamers. You speak for yourself, period.

mrskinskull wrote: »

Text chat is redundant.

Voice chat was simply shoe-horned into a game that was actually designed around having text-based chat, making the in-game systems extremely clunky when compared to how they were actually DESIGNED to be used.

It's not redundant, it's far more synergistic than VOIP. VOIP is a great tool, to be sure, which is why it's also coming to PC. Each form of communication excels at different things; there's literally no reason to shut out text-based chat when it is the standard in games of this type for a good reason.

I see them as tools, as I mentioned. Sometimes you need a hammer, sometimes you need a wrench. Use the right tool for the job, instead of trying to use a hammer on everything and saying it's all good.

mrskinskull wrote: »

After all within the context of thee forums many posters think they are witty. In reality they are bitter and petty and should in no way be given a trumpet to try to pour poison in the ears of a community largely enjoying their console experience.

Oh, so now you are not only speaking for "the majority of console players", but you are also going to go out of your way to insult those who have poured hundreds of hours into shaping the game into the experience you are currently enjoying now?

Classy.

Many of us have tested / crusaded / etc until huge amounts of balancing issues and bugs have been fixed for YOUR enjoyment. Heck, the next major content patch will feature 2 bug fixes that I personally tested and brought to dev attention and wouldn't have been fixed otherwise, and it will not be the first time.

But that's fine, you can call me "bitter and petty" for wanting to make this game a better experience for everyone playing it, not just those who think like I do.

I hope you enjoy your day, but don't forget that the people you're insulting are the ones who have been striving to MAKE this game awesome for far longer than you've had any experience w/ it at all.

mrskinskull wrote: »

I am making the argument for the people having way to much fun to tangle with the negative complainers on these forums.

So you have no actual argument against the addition of text chat, then. You're just here to complain about complaining in general.

I just want to say I love the clean interface which would be ruined with a chat box. Being able to form a group of players for PvP without needing a third party voice program is the best thing ever also very nice for groups. There is the occasional annoyance in town with some one leaving their mic on with a crying baby etc but honestly less and less problems as players learn mic etiquette.

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

I just want to say I love the clean interface which would be ruined with a chat box.

So have it optional with the ability to toggle on and off. Or have the box itself see-through with just whatever channels you've joined popping up as suspended text, like most other MMORPG.

Either way, it'd be no more intrusive on your interface than the rather large account name that pops up on your screen when someone is using voice.

djnewwestb16_ESO wrote: »

Please add text chat!

So many small quality of life basic features holding this game back. Honestly if ESO is going to be successful and not die out in the next 1 to 2 months they better patch in text chat. I'm already seeing people leave or not logging in as much as they were.

Also wanted to bump this thread to keep it on the main page.

I agree

Junglejim82 wrote: »

Still no response? Just awful Zenimax guild totals around 60 now . Maybe 20

djnewwestb16_ESO wrote: »

Please add text chat!

So many small quality of life basic features holding this game back. Honestly if ESO is going to be successful and not die out in the next 1 to 2 months they better patch in text chat. I'm already seeing people leave or not logging in as much as they were.

Also wanted to bump this thread to keep it on the main page.

Totally agree. 60 plus members in the guild . Same 8 or so using mics . No guild chat is ridiculous can't organise anything in game properly . Got like 30 members I've never spoke to. That's not how we do things. Pvp would be so much better with an alliance chat to get organized with other guilds pvp ing which when you're on the smallest alliance is terribly important by the looks of it . How about a cyrodil wide text chat to arrange mass battles guild v guild am I crazy for thinking such a thing would be possible? It's going to fail hard imo .

Combat numbers too . Can't have any sort of theory crafting or ability testing . No original load out's or rotations just PC community standard (if you want to be efficient sure you can use any useless move if you want ) . No kill confirmation in pvp . It baffles me why they were cut from console . Should've been toggle options . How about the lack of a mini map ? How about having no idea were all your group members are when your keeps under attack or how it'll affect real difficult raids if they ever get introduced from what I understand ATM there's very little real hard pve content anyway . The u.i in this game is terrible for a supposed mmo . Just can't understand the train of thought at all

I was going to refute your arguments or maybe just offer a 'hang in there' but maybe the community would be better off without such negative players. I can complain about anyththing. We have that in common.

You seem to have made the point that PC is better at memo cookie cutter than console. Wow. Pc has more features than a console translation? You've really cracked a code here, bud. The console version is tailored to the console crowd.

The PC and mmo hard cores will prob always feel a bit uncomfortable with a different set up.

Cheers.