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Console text chat discussion
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Thumbdunked✭✭✭Thumbdunked wrote: »Please ZOS don't add text chat it will ruin my immersion
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Lol ok so the other 1000 vestiges running around arent ruining your immersion? How about the random people jumping around and climbing on furniture? What about that rap music getting smashed through some ones mic? Judging by all your previous posts on this subject im going to go out on a limb and say your just a troll you have yet to make 1 valid argument on why a toggled text box isnt needed. I grow tiresome of seen your bait posts and your attempts to derail this thread in future refrain from posting unless you have something worth reading. The funniest of all your so called problems is you think its to hard to type on console well guess what it isnt its actually rather easy using the ps4's motion control and predictive text i can chat just as fast as my pc counter parts on ff14arr not to mention the cheap controler mounted keyboards you can pick up for $10.
NO because its a MMO as in a Massive multiplayer online just encase you don't know what that is.So seeing other players in a MMO wouldn't ruin my Immersion.Also I was joking that's why i added this at the end.If you been apart of the forums for longer then a month then you will know that if someone claim if they add something they don't like it will ruin their immersion then ZOS won't add it.Look at the damage numbers thread.Now to get serious just because someone disagrees with you and their arguments differs from yours that does not mean their arguments are invalid or a troll they just disagree with you .Also I am getting tired of this thread as well its just the same people posting the same thing over and over again am fine with people voicing their opinions that they want text chat but you should also allow people to voice against it.Without getting harass look at Newblacksmurf he posted against it gave valid reason why not to add it and people attacked him and told him not to post in threads like this anymore .When he was just voicing his opinion and people claimed he was a troll for disagreeing with other people .This is a discussion in a discussion I should be able to say what I think about the subject of the discussion and put up my reason for not adding something or to add it.So if voicing my opinion makes me a Troll then am a troll because I disagree with you.I shall become the Troll king and live under a bridge 
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Lastly if you read any of my post mainly the last one I never said it was to hard I said it takes to long so you should read my post an put up a valid argument against it.Also what mounted keyboard have you found that cost 10$? I only seen some ranging from 30-50$.My opinion is to not have it on screen am fine having it as a second screen option like in a app so if someone can use it on the go as well.So even when your not playing you can still have a chance to sell some mats or armor and even give players advice and stay up to date on what your guilds is doing in game.That's why I say have it as a second screen options.
Again if you claim I am a scroll for voicing my opinion then I will became the Troll King.All hail the Troll king.
But your main argument is invalid going back through your posts they all end up boiling down to the same thing you dont want text chat because people will use it instead of voice chat. You argument about it been to slow is untrue as i responded to it earlier ps4's motion controle and predictive text chat make it fast and easy to type and im pretty sure xbone has a keyboard app for their phone. Now you also say you dont want text box in the game but are fine with a 3rd party companion app for phones to facilitate chat why not just have it on screen for those that want to use it? If chat is confined to a phone app people will have to constantly be looking away from the screen. Although i do think it is agreat idea for a app for the above reasons especially to use at work haha. And yes you can pick up cheap chatpads/mouted keyboards for around $10-$25 in Australia depending on where you go. I apologize for snapping at you im just sick of people bringing up immersion as to why a chat box shouldnt be added i wasn't aware that you were joking, i am currently unable to communicate in game due to a hearing disability and its beyond frustrating.3 -
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✭Thumbdunked wrote: »Thumbdunked wrote: »Please ZOS don't add text chat it will ruin my immersion .
Lol ok so the other 1000 vestiges running around arent ruining your immersion? How about the random people jumping around and climbing on furniture? What about that rap music getting smashed through some ones mic? Judging by all your previous posts on this subject im going to go out on a limb and say your just a troll you have yet to make 1 valid argument on why a toggled text box isnt needed. I grow tiresome of seen your bait posts and your attempts to derail this thread in future refrain from posting unless you have something worth reading. The funniest of all your so called problems is you think its to hard to type on console well guess what it isnt its actually rather easy using the ps4's motion control and predictive text i can chat just as fast as my pc counter parts on ff14arr not to mention the cheap controler mounted keyboards you can pick up for $10.
NO because its a MMO as in a Massive multiplayer online just encase you don't know what that is.So seeing other players in a MMO wouldn't ruin my Immersion.Also I was joking that's why i added this at the end.If you been apart of the forums for longer then a month then you will know that if someone claim if they add something they don't like it will ruin their immersion then ZOS won't add it.Look at the damage numbers thread.Now to get serious just because someone disagrees with you and their arguments differs from yours that does not mean their arguments are invalid or a troll they just disagree with you .Also I am getting tired of this thread as well its just the same people posting the same thing over and over again am fine with people voicing their opinions that they want text chat but you should also allow people to voice against it.Without getting harass look at Newblacksmurf he posted against it gave valid reason why not to add it and people attacked him and told him not to post in threads like this anymore .When he was just voicing his opinion and people claimed he was a troll for disagreeing with other people .This is a discussion in a discussion I should be able to say what I think about the subject of the discussion and put up my reason for not adding something or to add it.So if voicing my opinion makes me a Troll then am a troll because I disagree with you.I shall become the Troll king and live under a bridge .
Lastly if you read any of my post mainly the last one I never said it was to hard I said it takes to long so you should read my post an put up a valid argument against it.Also what mounted keyboard have you found that cost 10$? I only seen some ranging from 30-50$.My opinion is to not have it on screen am fine having it as a second screen option like in a app so if someone can use it on the go as well.So even when your not playing you can still have a chance to sell some mats or armor and even give players advice and stay up to date on what your guilds is doing in game.That's why I say have it as a second screen options.
Again if you claim I am a scroll for voicing my opinion then I will became the Troll King.All hail the Troll king.
But your main argument is invalid going back through your posts they all end up boiling down to the same thing you dont want text chat because people will use it instead of voice chat. You argument about it been to slow is untrue as i responded to it earlier ps4's motion controle and predictive text chat make it fast and easy to type and im pretty sure xbone has a keyboard app for their phone. Now you also say you dont want text box in the game but are fine with a 3rd party companion app for phones to facilitate chat why not just have it on screen for those that want to use it? If chat is confined to a phone app people will have to constantly be looking away from the screen. Although i do think it is agreat idea for a app for the above reasons especially to use at work haha. And yes you can pick up cheap chatpads/mouted keyboards for around $10-$25 in Australia depending on where you go. I apologize for snapping at you im just sick of people bringing up immersion as to why a chat box shouldnt be added i wasn't aware that you were joking, i am currently unable to communicate in game due to a hearing disability and its beyond frustrating.
I would add that in the majority of circumstances where something needs to be portrayed to other players quickly, you would most likely continue to use voice chat.
But for the things that text-based chat excels at, you aren't often in a huge rush to type. There is almost no circumstance that a fully able player would choose to use text instead of voice during a Trial, or heated protracted combat of some sort. That is almost a non-issue.
Likewise, there is not really a rush when you need to type "Selling Columbine x60, PST if interested" or "LFM World Bosses, PST".
Of course, there are still going to be those players who would simply rather not use VOIP at all, and in those cases they are generally going to be fully aware that their choice is going to be slower than using VOIP when they make that decision.6 -
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People will realize there's a text chat option hidden inside the options menu, mersion gone...
I really don't understand people against a someting optional. don't like, don't use
You can't seriously be using this as an argument to have the only form of communication be through often-offensive and ALWAYS immersion-ruining voice chat...
No its true; the most common arguments against text chat are:
1. It will ruin immersion.
2. It will fragment the community.
1. Voice comms ruin immersion much more then text chat; for a variety of reasons: technical trouble, people spamming, offensive rude discussions (of which there is no log for reporting, btw), blaring music, hearing an entire living room, etc.
2. The community is already fragmenting from voice comms alone; many people already leave Area Chat immediately. So this is a non issue, if anything adding text chat, in addition to voice comms, will bring more interaction between players than currently exists in this game.
These are the only arguments I see; oh and the "I don't need it, so obviously no one should need it." argument.
It is complete BS.Edited by Merkabeh on June 26, 2015 2:11PMCrusader of The Knights of the Alessian Order
Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" - Sallington
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✭I actually like Cyrodil more without chat. Teamwork, organized attacks, zergs, makes it bad, as it odd it might sound.1 -
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You tell me. Console is different for sure and it has that Fantasy/Medieval feeling too, during those days they didnt had mobiles or radios.0 -
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You tell me. Console is different for sure and it has that Fantasy/Medieval feeling too, during those days they didnt had mobiles or radios.
I'm just saying that was my point. Guilds still have the ability to band together and zerg with voice chat.Edited by nastuug on June 26, 2015 2:16PM1 -
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You tell me. Console is different for sure and it has that Fantasy/Medieval feeling too, during those days they didnt had mobiles or radios.
I'm just saying that was my point. Guilds still have the ability to band together and zerg with voice chat.
EU PC, we had "War Council" who called ALL the shots and they used zone chat.Edited by Sausage on June 26, 2015 2:18PM0 -
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You tell me. Console is different for sure and it has that Fantasy/Medieval feeling too, during those days they didnt had mobiles or radios.
I'm just saying that was my point. Guilds still have the ability to band together and zerg with voice chat.
EU PC, we had "War Council" who called ALL the shots and they used zone chat.
I understand that. What I'm saying is that eliminating text chat does not necessarily eliminate the possibility of large zergs running around.0 -
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You tell me. Console is different for sure and it has that Fantasy/Medieval feeling too, during those days they didnt had mobiles or radios.
So you are not using wayshrines? When you had to use portals in quests you strongly said "No! it breaks my immersion! Go back to WoW you silly NPC". Thats what you are saying?Edited by sadownik on June 26, 2015 2:33PM1 -
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I fear that this is what's going to happen, but I doubt that it was planned that way. The Elder Scrolls brand name is far too valuable to Bethesda for them to allow anyone to deliberately ruin it. ZOS and Bethesda are sibling companies, and their owner Zenimax would be crazy to license a valuable brand from one sibling to another and let them stomp all over it on purpose.It's been a methodical, very well planned cash grab from the very beginning. I'm assuming text chat will be implemented along with a few other "fixes" to improve the life of the game, but you'll never see true improvement in this game until it dies.
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Merkabeh✭✭✭stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »
I fear that this is what's going to happen, but I doubt that it was planned that way. The Elder Scrolls brand name is far too valuable to Bethesda for them to allow anyone to deliberately ruin it. ZOS and Bethesda are sibling companies, and their owner Zenimax would be crazy to license a valuable brand from one sibling to another and let them stomp all over it on purpose.It's been a methodical, very well planned cash grab from the very beginning. I'm assuming text chat will be implemented along with a few other "fixes" to improve the life of the game, but you'll never see true improvement in this game until it dies.
Unless they knew we'd think this!
But then, what if they know, that we know? Oh god, but then they could have anticipated that we'd know, that they know, that we know...Crusader of The Knights of the Alessian Order
Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" - Sallington
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✭stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »
I fear that this is what's going to happen, but I doubt that it was planned that way. The Elder Scrolls brand name is far too valuable to Bethesda for them to allow anyone to deliberately ruin it. ZOS and Bethesda are sibling companies, and their owner Zenimax would be crazy to license a valuable brand from one sibling to another and let them stomp all over it on purpose.It's been a methodical, very well planned cash grab from the very beginning. I'm assuming text chat will be implemented along with a few other "fixes" to improve the life of the game, but you'll never see true improvement in this game until it dies.
If you look at the timeline of events in its entirety, the whole operation looks like a cash grab. They rebranded the name to Tamriel Unlimited to legally avoid the extremely negative reviews of pre-TU. As the ship sank, they went B2P and released a silly Crown Store. They took text chat away from consoles only to most likely add it back to look like the generous developers that they aren't. To date, game is suffering from critical performance issues in many areas.
Over time, they are becoming more dependent on Crown Store purchases to stay afloat. They aren't concerned with box sales on consoles after initial launch as physical copies can be traded in/purchased as pre-owned from gamestop; no unique serial key required.
You have Fallout 4 and the next Doom in the pipeline ready to roll soon. Things really aren't looking good for this game.3 -
FrostGolem wrote: »they need it but it would be hard to implement because it would take so much longer with the joysticks
The beauty of this is it would probably deter people without a keyboard from writing out asinine messages. I don't mind writing out "lfg frost cavern" and getting a group.Edited by yennej487 on June 26, 2015 9:20PM3 -
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Your wrong if its option it makes it harder for both Groups.Lets say you are using text chat and am using voice chat more then likely you have voice chat muted and I have text chat hidden the two of us will be in front of each other trying to communicate and neither would know what the other is saying.Even if we have it as a option it will be a bigger split between the people who use it openly and don't have a problem with it and players who have it muted.Neither side will be able to communicate.It becomes a problem for everyone.Instead people should trying to help ZOS improve the voice chat ,instead they want to add something that will make grouping harder for one side and communicating to everyone harder for both side.Like I said before if you point it out to someone that you can hear their music in my experience 8/10 times they turn it down/leave or mute their mics.Also when it comes to trolls just show them its not acceptable and they will stop if you shun the trolls they will stop being trolls.So i say lets help ZOS improve voice chat show trolls that we won't take their harassment and pointing things out to people will allow us all to have a better experience all around.
Also am fine with them creating a app that has a chat text within it but not on screen.Another thing you still have to look away and pick up a keyboard to type a message in chat text so picking up your phone or tablet won't take any extra time away from you playing then picking up a keyboard..Most console players don't have keyboards so they will have to use the pop up keyboard that takes even longer then picking up you Phone.
It won't be a bigger split, most of us have turned voice chat off already because we have ZERO intent on ever using it outside specific party makeups.6 -
Amiculi✭✭✭
People will realize there's a text chat option hidden inside the options menu, mersion gone...
I really don't understand people against a someting optional. don't like, don't use
You can't seriously be using this as an argument to have the only form of communication be through often-offensive and ALWAYS immersion-ruining voice chat...
No its true; the most common arguments against text chat are:
1. It will ruin immersion.
2. It will fragment the community.
1. Voice comms ruin immersion much more then text chat; for a variety of reasons: technical trouble, people spamming, offensive rude discussions (of which there is no log for reporting, btw), blaring music, hearing an entire living room, etc.
2. The community is already fragmenting from voice comms alone; many people already leave Area Chat immediately. So this is a non issue, if anything adding text chat, in addition to voice comms, will bring more interaction between players than currently exists in this game.
These are the only arguments I see; oh and the "I don't need it, so obviously no one should need it." argument.
It is complete BS.
I love the immersion argument.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AemoAYsPKnM 4 -
Merkabeh✭✭✭
People will realize there's a text chat option hidden inside the options menu, mersion gone...
I really don't understand people against a someting optional. don't like, don't use
You can't seriously be using this as an argument to have the only form of communication be through often-offensive and ALWAYS immersion-ruining voice chat...
No its true; the most common arguments against text chat are:
1. It will ruin immersion.
2. It will fragment the community.
1. Voice comms ruin immersion much more then text chat; for a variety of reasons: technical trouble, people spamming, offensive rude discussions (of which there is no log for reporting, btw), blaring music, hearing an entire living room, etc.
2. The community is already fragmenting from voice comms alone; many people already leave Area Chat immediately. So this is a non issue, if anything adding text chat, in addition to voice comms, will bring more interaction between players than currently exists in this game.
These are the only arguments I see; oh and the "I don't need it, so obviously no one should need it." argument.
It is complete BS.
I love the immersion argument.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AemoAYsPKnM
lmaoCrusader of The Knights of the Alessian Order
Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" - Sallington
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People will realize there's a text chat option hidden inside the options menu, mersion gone...
I really don't understand people against a someting optional. don't like, don't use
You can't seriously be using this as an argument to have the only form of communication be through often-offensive and ALWAYS immersion-ruining voice chat...
No its true; the most common arguments against text chat are:
1. It will ruin immersion.
2. It will fragment the community.
1. Voice comms ruin immersion much more then text chat; for a variety of reasons: technical trouble, people spamming, offensive rude discussions (of which there is no log for reporting, btw), blaring music, hearing an entire living room, etc.
2. The community is already fragmenting from voice comms alone; many people already leave Area Chat immediately. So this is a non issue, if anything adding text chat, in addition to voice comms, will bring more interaction between players than currently exists in this game.
These are the only arguments I see; oh and the "I don't need it, so obviously no one should need it." argument.
It is complete BS.
I love the immersion argument.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AemoAYsPKnM
LOL. 10/10 Ending.1 -
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People will realize there's a text chat option hidden inside the options menu, mersion gone...
I really don't understand people against a someting optional. don't like, don't use
You can't seriously be using this as an argument to have the only form of communication be through often-offensive and ALWAYS immersion-ruining voice chat...
No its true; the most common arguments against text chat are:
1. It will ruin immersion.
2. It will fragment the community.
1. Voice comms ruin immersion much more then text chat; for a variety of reasons: technical trouble, people spamming, offensive rude discussions (of which there is no log for reporting, btw), blaring music, hearing an entire living room, etc.
2. The community is already fragmenting from voice comms alone; many people already leave Area Chat immediately. So this is a non issue, if anything adding text chat, in addition to voice comms, will bring more interaction between players than currently exists in this game.
These are the only arguments I see; oh and the "I don't need it, so obviously no one should need it." argument.
It is complete BS.
I love the immersion argument.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AemoAYsPKnM
Haha he seemed fairly immersed by the end.0 -
Ace_of_Destiny✭✭✭✭✭It seems that voice chat is "the way of the future"...well, until this "future" arrives, and voice chat is truly viable, we still need our text chat.
The quality of the in-game voice chat is horrid...just static, cracking, and noise most of the time. I can hardly understand what anyone says.EQUALIZE ALL PLATFORMS!
IF ONE HAS IT...ALL SHOULD HAVE IT!!
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I don't care what platform it is on...an MMORPG without Text Chat is NOT an MMORPG!3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Guys n gals, they already responded on Twitch live.
They don't want to separate the population by having two forms of communication in console.
They went with voice chat.
-The End --PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Adam_Chattaway✭✭✭✭PS2 Had Text chat on Final Fantasy 11, please add it here for the love of god...NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Guys n gals, they already responded on Twitch live.
They don't want to separate the population by having two forms of communication in console.
They went with voice chat.
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So they don't want to separate the community? so when half the community does not use their mic and the other half have it muted and 90% of the mics you do hear are crying kids or justin B music, thats keeping the community together? what planet are theser devs on? do th ey have NO IDEA of what an MMO should have?
Imagine any other MMO without text chat? swtor, lotro, wow, they wouldn't be where they are today without it and the COMMUNITY'S IT CREATES...
Text chat wouldn't split the community up it WOULD bring it closer together...
But hell... i'm not the dev getting payed £100k a year to make crap decision and choices, I'm just the peasant with common sense.8 -
Thumbdunked✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Guys n gals, they already responded on Twitch live.
They don't want to separate the population by having two forms of communication in console.
They went with voice chat.
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The last person that posted this was lying so unless you have a link and a time stamp ill continue wait until they make a post on their offical forumsEdited by Thumbdunked on June 27, 2015 12:42PM1 -
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It doesn't, it just makes those who aren't in a PvP guild free AP for those who are. : PNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Guys n gals, they already responded on Twitch live.
They don't want to separate the population by having two forms of communication in console.
They went with voice chat.
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They also said that they were open to having some form of text communication on consoles, even if it isn't exactly a text chatbox.
Also, you don't get to denote when "The End" is for ANY discussion, so get off your high horse, please. Clearly, ZOS values the discussion on the merits for and against (which you aren't adding to in any shape or form, surprise surprise), which is why they have funneled all responses into a single thread that they have been keeping an eye on.
There are plenty of pros to a form of viable text-based chat of some form and really not very many cons.
The population is already separated between those who use VOIP and those who turn it off the second they log in because it's unpleasant to be bombarded w/ the types of noise pollution that often comes through in area chat.5 -
BigMac_Smiley✭✭✭I think text chat should be added to the game. I am in 5 guilds and not one of them gets more them 20 people in chat, most have less then 10. All of my guilds have over 100 members in them too. I have stoped joining voice chat because without fell there is always someone with an open mic. I don't get how people cannot understand that if your name is on the screen that means you are talking.
If text chat is never going to happen then we need a better voice system. Being able to rename channels would help that way you could help separate some people and not get 20 people all talking at once about diffrent things. I also think being able to be in group and guild chat at the same time would also help. I do however believe text chat is the best solution though.2 -
evilknight23Soul ShrivenNo we do not need txt chat! Let me just point to never winter as an example and what a mess that is to use with every moron spamming useless garbage or trying to sell stuff in chat. Voice chat causing lag...... haven't had this issue, maybe you just have crap internet. You get a mic with the console so there's no reason for you not to use voice chat. It seems many of the people wanting this are also PC players.
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mrskinskull✭✭✭✭I help people regularly in voice area chat. Someone asks where is the blacksmith, you can just tell them. This is console so a keyboard is not handy to have around on my couch. Its easier to just say the answer and move on.
But, but, text chat would get your question answered by anyone anywhere!
Yup. And there is that tiny benefit.
But those same trolls you hate in area chat, the ones you can just walk away from or create a psn party to avoid?
They will have a wonderful bullhorn for all kinds of petty nonsense.
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You want to trick a few noobs into thinking the gold they just sent you is going to buy them a vamp bite?
Of course text chat makes sense, in voice chat people can hear how much of a slime you are. I have stopped two bite trolls from claiming victims in area chat. I overheard the trolls obvious scam and called him on it. He could barely stifle his laughter.
The game will prob eventually get text chat. I'm not going to stop every five mi utes to put. My controller down and plug my keyboard in just to answer your question. Or worse yet, you can't be bothered to use your mic and keep texting me every five minutes with comments relating to what my mic'd up friends talked about five minutes ago.
And if you are the keyboard cowboy, your hands aren't on the controller.
You are less helpful to your group. Use your group chat.
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Amiculi✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Guys n gals, they already responded on Twitch live.
They don't want to separate the population by having two forms of communication in console.
They went with voice chat.
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Their statement had nothing to do with text chat, it was gameplay input. However they're bringing controller support and voice chat to PC so the argument is moot on two levels. One that they never said they were fully against voice chat and a second where PC is getting that same split of communications and input.
[Edit: it is notable that text chat is primarily used outside of combat for organization and to poll larger groups with questions. It also leaves a provable trail for reporting reasons if someone is being a turd.]Edited by Amiculi on June 27, 2015 5:14PM1
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