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Templar Skills Bugged/made useless - IGNORED

  • david.haypreub18_ESO
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    Cinbri wrote: »
    Imagine when they will fix us (only idiots won't do it), after all our suffering we will become top-1 class, everyone will roll templars just to match us.

    I'm sorry my friend, but Gina's post makes it clear that that day will never come. In order for ZOS to fix Templars, they first have to consider them broken... and Gina makes it clear that ZOS considers Templars to be working as intended.



    Templars are 'just slower... by design'
    Yes, Gina actually said that (at least regarding Rushed Ceremony) right here:
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored/p24
    VR 16 Templar (retired until Templars get fixed)
    VR 16 Sorcerer
    38 Nightblade
    24 DK
  • glak
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    Cinbri wrote: »
    Calm down people. Yes, for now templar class is weakest for those who wanna enjoy pvp. But this forcing us to become stronger, exploiting every hiding mechanic of skills.

    Imagine when they will fix us (only idiots won't do it), after all our suffering we will become top-1 class, everyone will roll templars just to match us.

    I'm sorry my friend, but Gina's post makes it clear that that day will never come. In order for ZOS to fix Templars, they first have to consider them broken... and Gina makes it clear that ZOS considers Templars to be working as intended.
    We will make Templar seem like an exploit in and of itself,
    as we unlock the secrets that bind our abilities in misery.
    Other classes will look down upon Templar and look up upon us,
    for we bear the afflictions of Templar in our ministry!
  • Cinbri
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    Well, i frustrated evem more by game lags and bugs, like slow cc break or Fear that causing you to stuck in textures or applying unbreakable cc bug on you. Even more by weapon swap: when "In Combat" status applied i can NEVER swap weapon in pressing swap button one time, so these new "responsive" swap weapon is really pain in pvp.
    P.S. Anyway else already switched to Healing Ward for self healing?
    Edited by Cinbri on May 21, 2015 9:23PM
  • Lettigall
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    I'm starting to think that among the devs are descendents of men who burned Knight Templars in 14th century! Our time in sun is to live with many bugged and badly designed skills!
    Some men just want to watch the world burn... I just want a cold beer!
  • nastuug
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    Lettigall wrote: »
    I'm starting to think that among the devs are descendents of men who burned Knight Templars in 14th century! Our time in sun is to live with many bugged and badly designed skills!

    Hey, keep the Ass Creed discussion out of this, geez!
    Sallington wrote: »
    Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"
  • Natjur
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    When this game first came out, they said their would be no global cool downs
    (and some of the classes appear to have none)
    But since Templars have a good heal, they added global cool downs to four Templar skills.

    Just another feature they said at release that they changed later on and tried not to tell us about.

    I understand balance and all and that animation canceling causes issues, but why are there only 6 skills in game where you can notice the global cool down and four of them are templar skills?

    I have yet to detect a global cool down on my dk or sorc.

    Since they are not releasing any new contents to well after console release, I guess it will be months before we see these skills fix for the templar, its not like we have been waiting a year already.......
    Edited by Natjur on May 21, 2015 9:30PM
  • Kaliki
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    Why is there no word on Dark Flare?

    I tried it out for quite a while but I found its DPS in PvE lackluster, not even the empower buff makes it worthwile.

    Not to mention PvP where most of the time your target is already dead before the projectile has finished travelling up into the sky and down again.
    - Templars: Slower by Design® -
  • Cinbri
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    Natjur wrote: »
    I have yet to detect a global cool down on my dk or sorc.
    There is GCD on Surge, do you remeber forum butthurt from sorcs about it when it first introduced?
    P.S. I missing old good times when you could stun-lock everyone with just Jabs :blush:
    Edited by Cinbri on May 21, 2015 9:48PM
  • Lettigall
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    nastuug wrote: »
    Lettigall wrote: »
    I'm starting to think that among the devs are descendents of men who burned Knight Templars in 14th century! Our time in sun is to live with many bugged and badly designed skills!

    Hey, keep the Ass Creed discussion out of this, geez!

    Never played that game but seems you are clueless about medieval history. Templars were real if you didn't knew!
    Some men just want to watch the world burn... I just want a cold beer!
  • Tankqull
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    Cinbri wrote: »
    Natjur wrote: »
    I have yet to detect a global cool down on my dk or sorc.
    There is GCD on Surge, do you remeber forum butthurt from sorcs about it when it first introduced?
    P.S. I missing old good times when you could stun-lock everyone with just Jabs :blush:

    there is no GCD on surge - it has a lockout timer on its effect but you can spam surge cooldown less thats a significant difference wich makes you look rather uninformed (other may say dumb ;))...
    spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused

    Sallington wrote: »
    Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"


  • technohic
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    Cinbri wrote: »
    Well, i frustrated evem more by game lags and bugs, like slow cc break or Fear that causing you to stuck in textures or applying unbreakable cc bug on you. Even more by weapon swap: when "In Combat" status applied i can NEVER swap weapon in pressing swap button one time, so these new "responsive" swap weapon is really pain in pvp.
    P.S. Anyway else already switched to Healing Ward for self healing?

    Templar is just part of my frustration. The rest in the game along with the thought of leveling another class and the possibility that it becomes broken as well with my lack of confidence in ZOS as they decide bugs are features has made me decide to just move on and play something else. At least for now but with the perma champion system grind, I will fall behind so that is sure to discourage a return.
    Technohic - DC Templar
    Technohicz - DC Nightblade
    Technohix - DC Sorc
    TechDKnohic - DC DK
    Tech No Hic - DC Warden
    Necrohic - DC Necromancer
  • nastuug
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    Lettigall wrote: »
    nastuug wrote: »
    Lettigall wrote: »
    I'm starting to think that among the devs are descendents of men who burned Knight Templars in 14th century! Our time in sun is to live with many bugged and badly designed skills!

    Hey, keep the Ass Creed discussion out of this, geez!

    Never played that game but seems you are clueless about medieval history. Templars were real if you didn't knew!

    Yes, they were. Yet they didn't shoot flaming holy fire from their fingertips. Anyways, it was a joke brah, chill.
    Sallington wrote: »
    Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"
  • Soris
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    Natjur wrote: »
    When this game first came out, they said their would be no global cool downs
    (and some of the classes appear to have none)
    But since Templars have a good heal, they added global cool downs to four Templar skills.

    Just another feature they said at release that they changed later on and tried not to tell us about.

    I understand balance and all and that animation canceling causes issues, but why are there only 6 skills in game where you can notice the global cool down and four of them are templar skills?

    I have yet to detect a global cool down on my dk or sorc.

    Since they are not releasing any new contents to well after console release, I guess it will be months before we see these skills fix for the templar, its not like we have been waiting a year already.......

    The very first time when they introduced GCDs in game, was to deal with botters. And those botters were all templars and used jabs and focused charge mainly. So they put a horrible CD on them to prevent automated stunlock kills but it affected everyone, not just bots. Since then it persists today even a year later :o
    Welkynd [Templar/AD/EU]
  • nastuug
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    Soris wrote: »
    Natjur wrote: »
    When this game first came out, they said their would be no global cool downs
    (and some of the classes appear to have none)
    But since Templars have a good heal, they added global cool downs to four Templar skills.

    Just another feature they said at release that they changed later on and tried not to tell us about.

    I understand balance and all and that animation canceling causes issues, but why are there only 6 skills in game where you can notice the global cool down and four of them are templar skills?

    I have yet to detect a global cool down on my dk or sorc.

    Since they are not releasing any new contents to well after console release, I guess it will be months before we see these skills fix for the templar, its not like we have been waiting a year already.......

    The very first time when they introduced GCDs in game, was to deal with botters. And those botters were all templars and used jabs and focused charge mainly. So they put a horrible CD on them to prevent automated stunlock kills but it affected everyone, not just bots. Since then it persists today even a year later :o

    Yes, how dare they hunt down macro botters via other methods.

    I'm honestly upset while reading this entire thread, and my main isn't even a Templar! Feel so, so sorry for some of you guys. =\
    Sallington wrote: »
    Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!"
  • Natjur
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    I wish they just removed the CC from jabs and increase the dps a little instead.
  • Natjur
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    So anyone have a list of Templar skills that are not used (cause they are broken or other skills are better)

    Focused Charge (due to the Global Call Down, most use Shield Charge instead)
    Biting Jabs (not used in PVP, cause is BUFFS the player with a free CC immune for 5 seconds)
    Solar Flare and Dark Flare (the travel time is so slow, players can OUT RUN IT making Crushing Shock better)
    Backlash (now instance but still with a Global Call Down so you can't do any dps for 1 seconds, making it still useless as you could of do more dps instead of casting this spell)
    Eclipse (uselss in pvp and almost as useless in PVE, do dps instead of wasting a slot on this since the only mobs worth using this on are immune to it)

    Most end game templar heals have to do dps too to get good scores in VDSA and trials. So most only use two heals "Breath of Life" and "Repentance" so they added a GCD to "Breath of Life".
    Edited by Natjur on May 21, 2015 11:38PM
  • glak
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    nastuug wrote: »
    Soris wrote: »
    Natjur wrote: »
    When this game first came out, they said their would be no global cool downs
    (and some of the classes appear to have none)
    But since Templars have a good heal, they added global cool downs to four Templar skills.

    Just another feature they said at release that they changed later on and tried not to tell us about.

    I understand balance and all and that animation canceling causes issues, but why are there only 6 skills in game where you can notice the global cool down and four of them are templar skills?

    I have yet to detect a global cool down on my dk or sorc.

    Since they are not releasing any new contents to well after console release, I guess it will be months before we see these skills fix for the templar, its not like we have been waiting a year already.......

    The very first time when they introduced GCDs in game, was to deal with botters. And those botters were all templars and used jabs and focused charge mainly. So they put a horrible CD on them to prevent automated stunlock kills but it affected everyone, not just bots. Since then it persists today even a year later :o

    Yes, how dare they hunt down macro botters via other methods.

    I'm honestly upset while reading this entire thread, and my main isn't even a Templar! Feel so, so sorry for some of you guys. =\
    There are only three advertised classes: DK, Sorcerer, and Nightblade. I'm grateful for any improvements Gina throws our way.
  • earth_angel
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    So the lag on breath of life is here to stay? Does that mean that ZoS is officialising that DK are the healerswith the highest potential? (I do not mean the easiest to heal on though) If so what role are templars supposed to fill?

    All this is sad. I made a templar a year ago to play a healing orientied class. It seemed natural to have a class that is better at healing. Now it seems this healer class is not supposed to be the healing class anymore. Yet we have not become good DPS or better in tanking (the nerf of Blazing shield hurt)

    The worst is in PvP where healing ward is as strong as BoL...

    Please what are we supposed to do? What are you waiting from us?
    Edited by earth_angel on May 21, 2015 11:45PM
  • Natjur
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    It feels like there is only one dev in charge of balancing the classes and he loves his DK (I love my DK too, as my templar just does not cut it)

    I have one of each class at V14, a magic based templar, stamina based DK, magic based NB and a magic based sorc

    All classes have there issues, but the templar with global cool downs seems to have the most issues, while my DK..... kicks ass.
  • Jaxsun
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    As promised, below is an update for some of the issues called out in this thread. Note that we tried to focus on what sounded like potential bugs, and not necessarily all of the ability feedback (though we did pass it along!)

    • Focused Charge animation still occasionally gets stuck, and has a global cooldown.
      • We’ll take another look and see why some of you are still getting stuck. As for the GCD, it’s an extremely small number and is intended for this ability. There was previously an issue where using this ability would lock you out of using other spells for a few seconds (which was not intended), and has since been fixed.





      But why does it have a cool down when the other charge type abilities do not? This response hasn't given us any new information, we were already told it was intended. What you failed to do again is tell us why...
    "Learn the rules like a pro so you can break them like an artist" -Pablo Picasso

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  • Soris
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    For the love of the Eight Divines, all we want are skills that work a reasonable percentage of the time, are not redundant, and do not have severe drawbacks associated with their intended function.
    NINE! You forgot Talos. How dare you?

    Lol sorry man, couldn't resist. This thread is making me feel sick. It is full of darkness and despair.
    Hopefully Gina will save the day very soon.
    Welkynd [Templar/AD/EU]
  • Natjur
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    Soris wrote: »
    For the love of the Eight Divines, all we want are skills that work a reasonable percentage of the time, are not redundant, and do not have severe drawbacks associated with their intended function.
    NINE! You forgot Talos. How dare you?

    Lol sorry man, couldn't resist. This thread is making me feel sick. It is full of darkness and despair.
    Hopefully Gina will save the day very soon.
    Talos has not been born yet......
  • Soris
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    Natjur wrote: »
    Soris wrote: »
    For the love of the Eight Divines, all we want are skills that work a reasonable percentage of the time, are not redundant, and do not have severe drawbacks associated with their intended function.
    NINE! You forgot Talos. How dare you?

    Lol sorry man, couldn't resist. This thread is making me feel sick. It is full of darkness and despair.
    Hopefully Gina will save the day very soon.
    Talos has not been born yet......
    Oh right he has to be born at first lol. Anyways
    Welkynd [Templar/AD/EU]
  • Anhedonie
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    I guess it is time to move on. Sadly.
    Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.
  • Natjur
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    Anhedonie wrote: »
    I guess it is time to move on. Sadly.
    All my mate who play Templar's are now playing Witcher 3 while they hope ESO will fix their class
    Edited by Natjur on May 22, 2015 12:36AM
  • Anhedonie
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    Natjur wrote: »
    Anhedonie wrote: »
    I guess it is time to move on. Sadly.
    All my mate who play Templar's are now playing Witcher 3 while they hope ESO will fix their class

    Well, that's what I'm talking about. Some people may leave this game. Some people may just reroll as different class.
    Personally, I don't see templars viable anymore. But that's just my opinion, not going to force it onto somebody.
    Guess it's time to try night blade.
    Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.
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