Iago wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

In 1.5 i felt pretty strong. And i wasn't using a special build or any crazy sets or anything. I was playing a classic sorcerer, that mostly used his class skills + crushing shock cause we don't have an instant cast dps spell.

My survivability was good and i really felt confident about jumping into fights.

in 1.6 i take so much damage, that i often can't survive even when i'm spamming shields. At the same time i still have the issues i had before. low damage spells, cast times, explosion timers, reflectable spells, expensive spells.

I went from 7 light to 5 light / 2 heavy and that boosted my armor and spell resistance immensely, but it doesn't really make a difference. I still die as fast, but now my spells cost 6% more...

I'm very frustrated now, cause i might have to give up my classic sorcerer build, which is nothing special but it worked well for me. I don't wanna be a 2H monkey, only because it's ridiculously strong atm. I wanna play the way i want, but ZOS keeps ruining this class with every update.

I did the last mages guild quest on Eyveya right after 1.6 hit I was level 28 and the quest was level 43. I am using the same build as I was before and it seems I am doing more damage post 1.6

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

In 1.5 i felt pretty strong. And i wasn't using a special build or any crazy sets or anything. I was playing a classic sorcerer, that mostly used his class skills + crushing shock cause we don't have an instant cast dps spell.

My survivability was good and i really felt confident about jumping into fights.

in 1.6 i take so much damage, that i often can't survive even when i'm spamming shields. At the same time i still have the issues i had before. low damage spells, cast times, explosion timers, reflectable spells, expensive spells.

I went from 7 light to 5 light / 2 heavy and that boosted my armor and spell resistance immensely, but it doesn't really make a difference. I still die as fast, but now my spells cost 6% more...

I'm very frustrated now, cause i might have to give up my classic sorcerer build, which is nothing special but it worked well for me. I don't wanna be a 2H monkey, only because it's ridiculously strong atm. I wanna play the way i want, but ZOS keeps ruining this class with every update.

I did the last mages guild quest on Eyveya right after 1.6 hit I was level 28 and the quest was level 43. I am using the same build as I was before and it seems I am doing more damage post 1.6

Yeah, i'm not talking about low level PVE. I'm talking about hardcore PVP on thornblade. In PVE you don't have 2H monkeys spamming wrecking blows and crit rushes or jesus beams zapping all over the map.

If you're serious...

MADshadowman wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

playing a magica sorc is like throwing wet noodles...

High mitigation enemy blocking your spells resulting in little damage dealt. Shocking, truly. /sarcasm This is the same for all 4 classes. Looks like A) you killed him, and B.) all he was doing was blocking and you kept unloading your hits at a bad time in the first place. However, due to "A" he must have been low on health so wasting all your magicka on a blocking enemy with defense buffs up worked out in the end anyway.

MADshadowman wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

In 1.5 i felt pretty strong. And i wasn't using a special build or any crazy sets or anything. I was playing a classic sorcerer, that mostly used his class skills + crushing shock cause we don't have an instant cast dps spell.

My survivability was good and i really felt confident about jumping into fights.

in 1.6 i take so much damage, that i often can't survive even when i'm spamming shields. At the same time i still have the issues i had before. low damage spells, cast times, explosion timers, reflectable spells, expensive spells.

I went from 7 light to 5 light / 2 heavy and that boosted my armor and spell resistance immensely, but it doesn't really make a difference. I still die as fast, but now my spells cost 6% more...

I'm very frustrated now, cause i might have to give up my classic sorcerer build, which is nothing special but it worked well for me. I don't wanna be a 2H monkey, only because it's ridiculously strong atm. I wanna play the way i want, but ZOS keeps ruining this class with every update.

I did the last mages guild quest on Eyveya right after 1.6 hit I was level 28 and the quest was level 43. I am using the same build as I was before and it seems I am doing more damage post 1.6

Yeah, i'm not talking about low level PVE. I'm talking about hardcore PVP on thornblade. In PVE you don't have 2H monkeys spamming wrecking blows and crit rushes or jesus beams zapping all over the map.

If you're serious... you know what you do when someone is coming up to use wrecking blow on you? You dodge roll. You know what you do right after that? You hold block for a second, because 99% of the enemy players you run into will then try to critical charge you when their wrecking blow doesn't go off. Then you use an instant stun and unload.

First of all, i'm a sorc i don't have enough stamina to dodge or block every attack they do. costs for blocking, dodging and breaking free are way higher than in 1.5. Secondly, do you think there is only 1 guy attacking me? This is thornblade, you constantly have to deal with 3-10 people jumping you.

Yes, I am a sorc too and a Nightblade also. Your class doesn't mean much as far as ability to dodge . You fought that one guy alone for 10s uninterrupted from your log, so extra people didn't add in. No one is typically intended to be fine when 10 guys jump them. If stamina is an issue for you (personally I have rarely found it to be even on pure magicka builds) you should ease up on being a full on pve raid spec glass Cannon when going out to PvP because it won't be nearly as effective there. Start prioritizing what to bother blocking and dodging.

Unless you are new to the game, blocking everything isn't what you should be doing anyway. Add a bit of mitigation if survival is an issue and utility. If you barely have any stamina then add a little somehow of it if it's not working for you or fit some cost reductions into the mix. This isn't a class issue it's a learning to make and play a good build one .

Reykice wrote: »

Sumpfheini wrote: »

Funny thing is I actually agree with most changes Sorcerers received:

- Streak Magicka increase on spam: Good solution to make it less annoying
- Absorption Field: Was indeed a bit too powerful, feels very unrewarding now though
- Cast time on Clannfear: Needed to be done to make the heal not too op.
- Rebate: Boring and useless passive. Reduce cast costs of summons altogether if need be.
- Surge internal gcd: There needs to be something to make aoe-selfheal not ridiculous, maybe not the best solution because it negatively effects single-target dots.


Yet I think Sorcerers are distinctively lacking something: Synergy
There is a reason why Sorcs are almost exclusively played as Magicka DPS builds. Because these are the only builds where you find some synergy. Stam DPS, Heal, and Tank are severely lacking. The lower base stats for health and armor for sorcerers and their very high base magicka costs are a reason. Adjust this, give us interesting passives, rework a few abilities (Summon Matriarch, Bound Armor, Dark Exchange, Rune Prison) and we are good to go.

1. Yes but charging has no cooldown, so while we pay more magicka to escape anyone else can charge us again and again with no increased cost. Either do it for both or for none.
2. it was powerful now its useless.
3. Dismissing your tank pet to heal yourself is a bad idea in any game... no designer would make this mistake. But then again we were balanced by a plain developer who is not a game designer. The cast time makes it worthless. Also, nobody mentions the cost... the summon pet spells are the most expensive in the GAME. This makes the heal the most expensive in the game especially as most magicka sorcs have lowish HP.
4. It was a nice one mitigating the Heal spell cost... now its just worthless and the pet summon cost is the same. A HUGE nerf. It was also a mana return when your Attronach(ultimate) died.... very useful overall.
5. This ruined every build possible... if you want heals you must stay away from any dots or spells like the Lightning form melee sorcs were using for mitigation. A designer would have placed a 6 target cap for the heal component. But again, we got balanced by a developer... who did not know what to do so he did this.
6. I will add the removal of the 10% cost reduction from the lightning tree was VERY bad for melee sorcs who only use spells from that tree and a toggle + weapon skills. 10% more cost for Surge who already has a very high cost.... has a very big impact.

The reason the melee sorc does well despite this is because he can just use the OP skills from the weapon trees and because stamina was buffed so much... magicka sorcerers don`t have this option.

Also, nobody seems to notice how magicka sorc spells cost a lot more than any other spell for any other class... yet they keep nerfing the cost reduction on light armor AND sorc passives. I will again blame this on the developer doing the work of a class designer failing at it. Maybe we should ask for that guy`s head on a spike?(in the game ofc)

Tapio75 wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

we're asking ZOS for a self heal and some decent instant cast damage ability for almost a year now, i can't understand why they insist on coming up with their own broken solutions, when the forums are full of ideas and solutions from people who actually know what they're talking about.

Thing is, that players always know the best solutions for their own classes and builds but that does not actually mean they are best solutions for general gameplay and balance.