playing a magica sorc is like throwing wet noodles...

Curses are a skill in summoning like crystal blast in dark magic, with the difference that crystal blast does its damage instantly, whereas daedric curse has a delay. Only a few sorcerer spells are really useful. Crystal blast, yes. Summons, yes... not because they are individually powerful, but because they keep the baddenasties busy and you can summon them over and over again if they die, until, eventually, unless it's a troll that heals quickly, the monster is on his last legs, about to fall over, and then, maybe, the sorcerer will be able to kill it. Without the daedric pets, a stinking frost atronach at the same level as my sorcerer would kill her three times out of four.

They need to understand they should balance mitigation with damage, the less armor you have the more damage you should do....

1.6 is [snip]

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

I'll admit to not having spent that much time on it but my initial testing on ranged magica builds with my 3 main tunes indicated the scaling below. Please note: The abilities used in the weave and buffs applied are not that same between 1.5 and 1.6. For instance, all toons now use structured entropy where none did before, the DK switched from crushing shock to flame lash for main weave and added the new +20 spell crit ability as she was ranged and didn't do the flames thing before, NB now always uses mark target, etc. I'm not saying any of this is optimized, it's just not, but it's also not utter noob garbage. I should also note, lest you make fun of the numbers, that all toons were required to be self sustaining in terms of resources. They were geared and their bar was set up accordingly and they were not given potions. When I do DPS testing my goal is not to figure out what my endgame dungeon DPS will be but rather what weaves I should best utilize.

Nb - DPS is ~ 6.8x previous numbers (1.1k -> 7.5k). This was not great so I switched him to stam. With Stam he one button mash gets a scaling of 10x (11k). I'm bummed with this as the NB previously had excellent utility with attacks providing heals to the group but ZOS seems to say melee stam if you want to succeed so here we go I guess. The bow ranged counterpart to this switch was disappointing. Bow weaves lack the DPS you would expect. Seems that apply buffs spam snipe (~6.5k) is the way to go and even at that, the bow dps is lacking. More one button mashing as well, as this intended? Who really knows.

DK - DPS ~ 10x previous numbers ( V1 toon .75k - > 7.5k). I can't say I like the weave as much as the range is somewhat more limited with flame lash but the DPS is good and I got to stick with magica so I still have great flexibility with what abilities I use. DK self heal is good so as long as you don't get one shot you can somewhat tolerate the tissue paper.

Sorc - DPS ~ 4.5x previous numbers (1k -> 4.5k) (I should also note that the sorc was previously the lowest relative to his level) . I don't think this staggering low dps is really that uncommon as destro staff abilities are very poor, the sorc lacks a weavable attack of it's own, and has poor regen relative to the costs of his spells. Honestly, I was surprised how truly lousy this all turned out to be. The V1 DK is now kicking his ass not just relative to level but objectivly in no uncertain terms with the exact same armor sets on (warlock seducer). I have since talked to friends who are more invested in their sorc than I am and have tried some alternatives. They claim good dps on togglemancer builds (pet, pet, buff pet, weak sauce destro skill, shards when procs). These builds are very limited in functionality because of bar space. No AOE, no, group utility, just clunky. Others have also had success with stam builds (and why not, almost every skill is a weapon skill and not a sorc one.) Bottom line, I don't expect much and I'm not putting much effort into further development for a while. Not my problem.

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

<an iinsightful and realistic analysis of how 1.6 has seriously damaged the game the MAJORITY play, not the small cliques ZOS listened to>

Sadly it'll fall on deaf ears @byrom101b16_ESO but it's good you posted it.

Dekkameron wrote: »

MADshadowman wrote: »

And again, you have no idea. 2H spam monkeys rip through our shields quite easily. everyone needs to heal, or should at least be able to. But we need a resto staff to do that effectively, which prevents us from using other weapons, this needs to change.

As my main is a magicka nightblade my heart bleeds for you......

You think you got nerfed huh?

well you atleast got "nerfed" because of demands done by your own class members.
sorcs recieved them just because...
http://imgur.com/ifoh7t9

drschplatt wrote: »

Has anyone found a viable sorcerer magicka build yet that doesn't involve pets? I went from being able to kill 6 enemies at my level (VR9), to being killed multiple times by 2 VR7 landscape mobs. I experimented around with different builds on my skill bar but couldn't find anything that was DPS centered. I could stay alive sure, if I wanted to screw around with CC or pets, but if the new sorcerer is going to require CC or pets to kill 2 under level landscape mobs then as far as I'm concerned I'm done and I'll stop subbing tomorrow and find a different game to play. The grind to VR9 was annoying enough with the gold and silver quests, I have no interest at all in doing it again on a DK or templar just to be able to play the game.

TBH I've found a need for CC...

Been trying liquid lightning as it was meant to be the fix... a powerful DoT that would raise our DPS... but as a lot of people are finding out, its situational at best as its just SO small! Without some CC added in to the mix then practically every mob / boss just moves out of it pretty quick regardless of where you place it (Making me wonder if the other morph may be a better bet!).

Using it combined with encase works ok.... though requires at least a small amount of decent aiming due to the shape of the encase cone... But using it with bolt escape to keep them CC'ed in the lightning was a lot of fun (Not great from a dps perspective though)..

Liquid lightning.... curse... bolt... frags.... curse... bolt..... = Dead mobs

Works ok on the trash, but clearly not for a lot of bosses etc.

Another point... when you get a frag proc now they do insane damage! I'm at about 2.4k spell damage with entropy, and a frag proc is hitting for around 10k each!!! Mobs don't last long when hit with them!

Flaminir wrote: »

drschplatt wrote: »

Has anyone found a viable sorcerer magicka build yet that doesn't involve pets? I went from being able to kill 6 enemies at my level (VR9), to being killed multiple times by 2 VR7 landscape mobs. I experimented around with different builds on my skill bar but couldn't find anything that was DPS centered. I could stay alive sure, if I wanted to screw around with CC or pets, but if the new sorcerer is going to require CC or pets to kill 2 under level landscape mobs then as far as I'm concerned I'm done and I'll stop subbing tomorrow and find a different game to play. The grind to VR9 was annoying enough with the gold and silver quests, I have no interest at all in doing it again on a DK or templar just to be able to play the game.

TBH I've found a need for CC...

Been trying liquid lightning as it was meant to be the fix... a powerful DoT that would raise our DPS... but as a lot of people are finding out, its situational at best as its just SO small! Without some CC added in to the mix then practically every mob / boss just moves out of it pretty quick regardless of where you place it (Making me wonder if the other morph may be a better bet!).

Using it combined with encase works ok.... though requires at least a small amount of decent aiming due to the shape of the encase cone... But using it with bolt escape to keep them CC'ed in the lightning was a lot of fun (Not great from a dps perspective though)..

Liquid lightning.... curse... bolt... frags.... curse... bolt..... = Dead mobs

Works ok on the trash, but clearly not for a lot of bosses etc.

Another point... when you get a frag proc now they do insane damage! I'm at about 2.4k spell damage with entropy, and a frag proc is hitting for around 10k each!!! Mobs don't last long when hit with them!

Thanks for the feedback, I too tried using liquid lightning because it was supposed to be our new DPS and just found it a bit meh for both damage and the fact that it doesn't target anything. I guess we're just back to using class skills rather than destro staff skills for our DPS because it seemed that hitting things with destro staff skills was like using a water gun.

Ladiev wrote: »

sagitter wrote: »

Are you sure? because i can see in that videos that all class stamina dps builds are about on par with really small differences:
DK: 18,216 dmg
Templar: 16,766 dmg
Sorcerer : 16,191 dmg
Nb : 15,886

Except for the fact that for the sorcerer to keep up, he had to start the fight with 1000 ultimate build up so he could spam Overload and be in execute phase once ultimate was depleted - which to be honest, is not really a fair restriction to place on the sorcerer to be 'on par'

Agreed. A player shouldn't have to ultimate through the game where others are actually getting to use their skills. I've been relying on Overload for Vet Dungeons since the update, because I don't get grouped without it. I actually use it as a single target bar so I don't have to even macro the crushing shock dps bar anymore. Using AOE with light attacks to charge it....switch over IF necessary on bosses.

Also, notice the complete spam of Wrecking blows...So this is it folks? The magicka class: Sorcerer; the class meant to excel in all things twinkly and arcane is now a Jedi. A dark Jedi relying on force lighting and powerful sword based attacks to be on par with the rest of the samurai?

I'd better get a friggen Light Saber, then.

Overload can crit for 100k, it will only mean you can one shot yourself trough DK ref scale much more easier :> I also don't know where from you get this number, probably full LA 30k magicka 1500 spell dmg build or something :>>>

I'm not complaining on sorc, feels much better than my VR14 NB 1.5, though didn't test my new NB in 1.6 yet but sorc just feels that much more versatile.

Soris_ESO

These numbers are with Glass Canon build, meaning 17.5k max hp 29k mana



Meteor was agains a 16k spell res Templar Vampire.


I a gree with OP. Sorcs got nerfed, i can't use pets because they use skill slots, can't even use bound armour for the extra %mana , you can delete that skill in the future Zos, better give us some dancing emote like : ''' Hey come and kill me i'm a sorc'' !

1 Sorc has so many Toggle skills that there if you plan to use em all you get 1 free skill slot on each bar...
2 STAFF is NO LONGER the sorc's main weapon, since there are Other weapons doing more spell dmg than a vr14 crafted yellow staff.
3 Apprentice Mundus stone ISN'T stacking with Weapon Sharpened. I got all kind of wierd fluctuating dmg numbers while testing, but on 14%sharpened staff, the apprentice gives no dmg bonus, but it gives it if i wear other trait weapon.
4 Our skills mean NOTHING, if you're doing 6k Fragment on someone, when that someone blocks he'll get 1/3 of the dmg. Where am i heading with this ? Well, sorc has mana, other guy has stamina, he can block all the atacks he wants, then while i am atacking him i generate NO ultimate, but he generates while blocking and getting atacked...Yet another good mecanics to improve Godness of the stam builds.

Just a note. 2H sorcerer builds are only actually effective because they don't use any sorcerer skills... or at least very few. Most abilities are too expensive and/or scale off magicka, or have better and more cost efficient equivalents elsewhere, or are essentially unusable for the purpose you might want them for. This means that all bar 3 passives are prety much useless as well...

I am really displeased with the state of sorcerers in this game, they seem to be extremely underpowered

For the record, I have played sorc since beta and have a VR14.

Recently rerolled a temp and feel like I could take on the world. There was not a single time while playing sorc that I felt comfortable face rolling 10-15 mobs like I do with my templar. I literally just spam penetrating strikes and I'm golden.

Sorc is in a really bad spot, and I expect more nerfs to come because... Why not right.

goatlyonesub17_ESO wrote: »

I've noticed for a long time that sorcerers die easier than any other class. I figured it was just that light armor offers little protection, and the spell armor (aegis something, it's a summon spell) did help a little. But only a little. What I started doing to cope with bosses is keep them focused on my summons, which I kept replacing as they died until the boss got so worn down in health that a series of repeated crystal blasts would finish it off before it could turn around and finish me off.

I miscalculated that moment a few times and had to start.. all.. over.

But, yeh, I can see that sorcerers are weak fighters, both offensively and defensively. My pets did the most to defeat Molag Bal. I only showed up to use the big bright knife at the end. That's when I figured out the pet-distraction tactic, which I've been using ever since. If I don't want to die quick, I have to keep running around and calling pets that bite and zap and tail-swish to do the dirty work for me.

The ol' pet distraction tactic is 90% of the game for sorcs. Anytime I came across a tough boss the ONLY way I could kill it/them was to send out the pets, and then use resto skills to keep myself alive while they killed it. The is not any other way to kill any bosses while healing yourself like the other classes can.