So do they just not pay attention to the community? I've seen no support for these changes and yet it seems like they are gonna go through with them anyway.

If this is some sort of cash grab it sure is a weird one.

In preparation for a "pre teen" rating. Button up folks.

Brandalf wrote: »

bellanca6561n wrote: »

This is one of several threads on this theme. It always comes down to:


2. We don't want ESO to become like THIS [insert an elf from Terra Online] or another Asian MMO.....

Dunno, looks like some of my Skyrim Mod Setups.... therefore a true Elder Scrolls experience!



Joking aside: Some more veriety with the armor meshes would go a long way, and for females that includes stuff like cleavage armor, skirts, tight stuff, as long as it remains asthetically pleasing and fitting to the universe, why not?

Shunravi, keeping a discussion rooted in reality is always constructive. I am one who dislikes the "unrealistic" nature of some of the armors (the boob window from the Orc heavy, the "please stab me in the gut" opening on the bosmer), but they are kind of cute, and compared with some Anime type versions, they aren't too bad.

I do like options.

Recremen wrote: »

By the tenor of the conversation so far (read: nobody is talking about male options)

I metioned it, but only fleetly because I have no idea how these male options could look like. I'm not really an admirer of the male body. If I want to show more of my character, I just take off his chestpiece.

Just wait for "ESO-medieval-style" bikinis coming to the shop this coming Summer. Even Tera started with hardly any costumes available and certainly none of the "revealing-type" ones, only to add dozens in the shop for every possible taste and imagination.

No idea why it is such a big deal. Personally, I do believe the more "revealing" stuff should be there and available to the people who fancy it, and I would be rather surprised if there are actually people who would feel offended (seriously?). Fantasy or real world, I never thought absolutely everyone, especially females, are required to be completely covered at all times, from head to toe. Really? Or are we creating some weird world / society where oppression / fanaticism rules supreme (not naming names...).

P.S. "Revealing" is not equivalent to "slutty" or degrading, thousands of years of extraordinary art has proven it can instead be elegant and beautiful.

I don't even need to have revealing stuff...just feminine stuff. For instance, I wear cloth so it should look like a nice dress/robe instead of the padded and heavy quilted stuff we have now. You can pad cloth and quilt it but it isn't going to stop an arrow any better than just plain cloth. Cloth shoulder pads? Really???

Obviously, everyone lives in fear of getting hit in the hips judging by all the hip armor. Please get rid of the hip armor and give us pretty dresses that can be dyed.

Thanks,

Denauri

Recremen wrote: »

I want some male-specific sexy armor, for fairness and such. By the tenor of the conversation so far (read: nobody is talking about male options), it's pretty clear what folks are really after, so let me be the voice of justice by demanding ab-revealing sleeveless half shirts and thigh-hugging shorts so high up that the butt half falls out (but only for the male models, of course). Nothing says cute like cheeks that come pre-pinched.

I did see a Skyrim mod which created male armour "as revealing as typical female armour". In other words, it had bare butts and what I can only describe as "meat and two veg" hanging out. I am attracted to men and think my husband looks rather good when topless or naked, but bottomless armour is just nasty.

I am generally of the opinion that the amount of protection should increase with the armour type. Light Armor is basically just clothes, and Heavy Armor should provide full coverage. I am bothered by the amount of Heavy Armor in ESO which has half-naked arms - Khajiit, for example. I love the Cuirass and the Pauldrons but it seems odd having warriors run around with their biceps hanging out.

Not that I support armor to this degree, but a quick look at what mods are the top downloads of all time on nexus should be a pretty clear indication of what "styles" a significant portion of the TES fan base is interested in.

I'm going to miss the redguard (the male version was awesome too), and my fiance is going to miss the Orsimer female heavy. The Orsimer change seemed pointless but the redguard change is a step backwards - from aesthetically interesting and culturally representative to the same old bland tunic + skirt that every other race has. They should be individualising the other races, not homogenizing them.

Frankly - if it's a design choice to reflect proper coverage of the body from stray blows or arching arrows - then why allow a hide helmet function?

Aesthetically it's the same thing.

Here's my biggest problem with the move to make armor more "armory"... Say they ARE making "clothing" (as opposed to armor) for the cash shop. As costumes you can wear to cover up your painfully boring armor. Unless I can also now DYE those costumes I have no interest in them. Indeed, I am bored spitless by the costumes they have shown so far. Both the wedding dress and the darker colored version of it they have shown are nothing more than BAD Ren Faire costumes. So I have no faith that anything else they put in there is going to appeal to me. And even IF they looked awesome and I was willing to spend crowns on them....again, with no way to dye them the way I want, there's absolutely no point to them.

NO ONE asked for this. You know what people asked for regarding armor design? To GET RID of the stupid floating hip flaps. To GET RID of the ridiculous floating shoulders/epaulets. To IMPROVE the quality of the visuals on the cloth and to have cloth, leather and metal take the dyes UNIFORMLY.

Doesn't look like we're actually getting any of that. WHY ZOS???

Well as usual, there is no one responding from ZoS about this with any sort of explanation.

AFAIK there has not been a single thread here ever to request these changes to armor, so if they are going to fall back on "it was the community" that wanted this - WHAT community are they talking about, I have no clue.

They could argue I suppose that for console launch they decided to tone down any outfits that might seem non-family friendly, despite that this is an M rated game.

But what I do know is that given the armor cosmetics on the Crown Store at the moment in PTS, it could be a change to fuel costmetic sales later on since they are in fact ripping styles from crafted armor in the game already.

All well and good to sell cosmetics but not at the expense of taking things OUT of the game just so that you can sell them to us later.

If I see even one outfit in the Crown Store with this particular motif and see that conversely the original craftable style has been removed from the game, I will be revisting Firor's remarks in the Road Ahead (for all the good it will do me) regarding not changing the game as we know it to encourage us to use the Crown Store - and I don't care if it gets me banned or not.

Rosveen wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

By the tenor of the conversation so far (read: nobody is talking about male options)

I metioned it, but only fleetly because I have no idea how these male options could look like. I'm not really an admirer of the male body. If I want to show more of my character, I just take off his chestpiece.

That's actually kind of the issue. While not universal, skimpy armor has typically been a choice for males, and enforced for females. Even the skimpy male armor has typically been about displaying power than sexualizing the male, while it's been quite the opposite for females.

Considering that you can't craft armor outside your racial style until you get one of the motif books, Redguard male and female cloth-users are having skimpy armor "forced" on them, which I admit is a tenuous claim, but one that nonetheless would be made by every social justice blogger looking to get more post views or reblogs. Skimpy armor also appears to be against Zen artistic direction at the moment, so I imagine they're trying to both avoid bad publicity and increase brand identity simultaneously. That said, I'm sure there'll be all kinds of more casual-looking clothing brought in with the justice system. Why, just the other day I came into the possession of a shirt with sleeves that don't go past the elbow! Such scandalousness!

As for the orc boob window specifically, I recall a post made by one of the devs on a Reddit AMA declaring that it was indeed unintended, and that was back waaaaay early last year. That makes me more confident in the idea that it's more of an artistic direction thing.

All that said, I really do hope we get a more robust costuming system that doesn't eat up any inventory space. If people want to run around dungeons in some combo of armor and new clothing items, I say more power to them, so long as they know how to match. ;-)

Chalk me up as another female player who's NOT impressed with this change. I generally dress my characters rather conservatively, but sometimes you want to spice things up and have a little fun with the racier pieces. Which aren't that racy to begin with. Go to the mall and you'll see way more cleavage than this.

If this is a ploy to have us buy sexier stuff in the crown store, then I'm even more NOT impressed.

@zos if you want to make "NEW" armor for sale on the crown store; fine. We're not against that at all! But PLEASE don't/stop/change back our NORMAL armor that was ALREADY IN GAME!!!
Most of us will still gladly get the crown store stuff, but not if this is going to be the type of game that is always taking things away from us!