ZOS, it is time to wield the banhammer against those AD exploiters

ZOS_BrianWheeler · February 2015

If the gate was never opened and players gate hop, tunnel, or use any other means to bypass a closed gate from the assaulting side, that is "bad".

If a group of players open the gate normally, get to the Temple and the gate closes behind them due to the keeps which open the gate being retaken, players can still get the scroll out if they survive the gate guards.

The last solution we have talked about (but not added yet) is putting a requirement on the scrolls that the gates must be open to be picked up. This isn't ideal as players could legitimately get the gates open, fight to the temple and not be able to pick up the scroll if the gate closes behind them. This solution however is getting more traction on internal discussions.

Lord_Draevan · February 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

If the gate was never opened and players gate hop, tunnel, or use any other means to bypass a closed gate from the assaulting side, that is "bad".

If a group of players open the gate normally, get to the Temple and the gate closes behind them due to the keeps which open the gate being retaken, players can still get the scroll out if they survive the gate guards.

The last solution we have talked about (but not added yet) is putting a requirement on the scrolls that the gates must be open to be picked up. This isn't ideal as players could legitimately get the gates open, fight to the temple and not be able to pick up the scroll if the gate closes behind them. This solution however is getting more traction on internal discussions.

Thank for confirming what we, incluing the AD who took the Scrolls without opening the Gate, knew all along. Now they'll hopefully stop claiming it's legit.

Lava_Croft · February 2015

Thank you for clearing this up, @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌.

Morvul · February 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

If there's one thing this thread makes crystal clear, it's what kind of people are in the guild called 'Alacrity'.

Witness the death of a guild's reputation right here, live on the Alliance War forums!

well, they seem to be quite proud of being percieved as "cheaters".
So, I guess, from their point of view: it's mission accomplished

Roechacca · February 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

If the gate was never opened and players gate hop, tunnel, or use any other means to bypass a closed gate from the assaulting side, that is "bad".

If a group of players open the gate normally, get to the Temple and the gate closes behind them due to the keeps which open the gate being retaken, players can still get the scroll out if they survive the gate guards.

The last solution we have talked about (but not added yet) is putting a requirement on the scrolls that the gates must be open to be picked up. This isn't ideal as players could legitimately get the gates open, fight to the temple and not be able to pick up the scroll if the gate closes behind them. This solution however is getting more traction on internal discussions.

Does "bad" mean "exploit" ? The community needs some definitive answers here . We are tired of no set definitions and getting scrolls removed without warning . Also what about casting healing springs in a bunched up crowd to cause lag ?

Dalglish · February 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

If the gate was never opened and players gate hop, tunnel, or use any other means to bypass a closed gate from the assaulting side, that is "bad".

If a group of players open the gate normally, get to the Temple and the gate closes behind them due to the keeps which open the gate being retaken, players can still get the scroll out if they survive the gate guards.

The last solution we have talked about (but not added yet) is putting a requirement on the scrolls that the gates must be open to be picked up. This isn't ideal as players could legitimately get the gates open, fight to the temple and not be able to pick up the scroll if the gate closes behind them. This solution however is getting more traction on internal discussions.

Could you not add a second set of gates to the scroll temple, which stay open for an extra 15 minutes (or a suitable time for a good offensive push) when the gate(s) in question closes?

It allows the fight between temple and gate to go on a little further without it just being cut dead with the solution your team is pushing toward.

LonePirate · February 2015

@ZOS_BrianWheeler The gates were closed each of the nine times I am aware of it happening this weekend. There were no instances of gates closing behind players who opened them legitimately because the gates were never opened in the first place.

I think I safely speak for everyone in all three alliances when I say we all love a good scroll fight when the gates are opened fairly by capturing the keeps in front of them. If you implement your internally discussed solution, please add some sort of timer (say 30-60 minutes) that will permit the scrolls to be stolen if the gates close after an invading faction opens them legitimately.

Ashanne · February 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

If the gate was never opened and players gate hop, tunnel, or use any other means to bypass a closed gate from the assaulting side, that is "bad".

Seriously??? "bad"..meaning not that bad..but everyone is raging so we have to say something that relates to the word bad?
"Bad" as in lets move on with our lives kinda "bad"..Is he aware that thorn is broken until they end that internal discussion on how to stop this "bad" ness??? Is he aware how many times they did this "BAD" in the past 3 days??? (is he waiting for the toy to get old and maybe they will stop playing with it???)

Stupid Q: U put a mender that does 10k damage as some of the brainiacs that continue to use this "bad" thing said. Make it 20k damage...100k damage? Why does the mender have a cool down on the skill in the first place??? Could they really survive a 20k hit? Or maybe that isn't the way they are really getting in???

BLEAH...."BAD"

Pchela · February 2015

LonePirate wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler The gates were closed each of the nine times I am aware of it happening this weekend. There were no instances of gates closing behind players who opened them legitimately because the gates were never opened in the first place.

Friend of mine sat at the gate and was screenshotting how the AD were doing it as well.

NadiusMaximus · February 2015

All exploiters need banned

JDar · February 2015

inb4 mods

TheBull · February 2015

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Tripwyr wrote: »

Actually Brian Wheeler told us that taking a scroll while the gate is closed is not an exploit when we did it months ago.

Odd then that on my thread where you discussed how to get Scrolls from behind closed Gates, it was deleted and the reason given by ZOS for closing it was the following:

It seems ZOS has changed their mind on that.

Yep this was the thread where a certain idiot decided to tell in detail how it's done then proceed to say that nothing was wrong.

Roechacca · February 2015

Well AD ... It's official . You are "Bad" .

Ghostbane · February 2015

roechacca wrote: »

Well AD ... It's official . You are "Bad" .

Like Bad Bad? Or Good Bad?

Huntler · February 2015

roechacca wrote: »

Well AD ... It's official . You are "Bad" .

Ooo

Lord_Draevan · February 2015

Ghostbane wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

Well AD ... It's official . You are "Bad" .

Like Bad Bad? Or Good Bad?

What about... the ugly?

frozywozy · February 2015

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

If the gate was never opened and players gate hop, tunnel, or use any other means to bypass a closed gate from the assaulting side, that is "bad".

If a group of players open the gate normally, get to the Temple and the gate closes behind them due to the keeps which open the gate being retaken, players can still get the scroll out if they survive the gate guards.

The last solution we have talked about (but not added yet) is putting a requirement on the scrolls that the gates must be open to be picked up. This isn't ideal as players could legitimately get the gates open, fight to the temple and not be able to pick up the scroll if the gate closes behind them. This solution however is getting more traction on internal discussions.

Thank you for the feedback, this is very satisfying and exactly what I though.

I would suggest to make it so after X hours the gates closed, you can't press E anymore to loot the scroll.

JDar · February 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Hey, instead of a bunch of American kids running their mouth as if we are in the elementary school playground, let's focus on the actual problems again:

1: Being able to enter the Scroll Temple area while the gate is closed.
2: Certain people bending backwards to defend this exploiting.

1 is clearly something ZOS needs to fix. That means you, @ZOS_BrianWheeler‌!
2 just makes me sad, especially when you see which people are defending this.

I do not understand why there are gates at the scroll temple it they are never in play

Ghostbane · February 2015

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

What about... the ugly?

Hey, leave my wife out of this mister.

Roechacca · February 2015

Ghostbane wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

Well AD ... It's official . You are "Bad" .

Like Bad Bad? Or Good Bad?

http://youtu.be/dsUXAEzaC3Q

Huntler · February 2015

frozywozy wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

If the gate was never opened and players gate hop, tunnel, or use any other means to bypass a closed gate from the assaulting side, that is "bad".

If a group of players open the gate normally, get to the Temple and the gate closes behind them due to the keeps which open the gate being retaken, players can still get the scroll out if they survive the gate guards.

The last solution we have talked about (but not added yet) is putting a requirement on the scrolls that the gates must be open to be picked up. This isn't ideal as players could legitimately get the gates open, fight to the temple and not be able to pick up the scroll if the gate closes behind them. This solution however is getting more traction on internal discussions.

Thank you for the feedback, this is very satisfying and exactly what I though.

I would suggest to make it so after X hours the gates closed, you can't press E anymore to loot the scroll.

Simple, elegant solution. So instead they will make it 3 times as complicated, 10 times as dense, 6 times as exploitable.

Ghostbane · February 2015

roechacca wrote: »

http://youtu.be/dsUXAEzaC3Q

AD must replicate the dance of this in a faction wide recording. It must be done.

Lord_Draevan · February 2015

Huntler wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

If the gate was never opened and players gate hop, tunnel, or use any other means to bypass a closed gate from the assaulting side, that is "bad".

If a group of players open the gate normally, get to the Temple and the gate closes behind them due to the keeps which open the gate being retaken, players can still get the scroll out if they survive the gate guards.

The last solution we have talked about (but not added yet) is putting a requirement on the scrolls that the gates must be open to be picked up. This isn't ideal as players could legitimately get the gates open, fight to the temple and not be able to pick up the scroll if the gate closes behind them. This solution however is getting more traction on internal discussions.

Thank you for the feedback, this is very satisfying and exactly what I though.

I would suggest to make it so after X hours the gates closed, you can't press E anymore to loot the scroll.

Simple, elegant solution. So instead they will make it 3 times as complicated, 10 times as dense, 6 times as exploitable.

I still say a one-way insta kill barrier is the best way. If you come in while the Gates are closed, dead. If you go out, i.e if you sneak in when it's open, you'll be fine.

Huntler · February 2015

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

If the gate was never opened and players gate hop, tunnel, or use any other means to bypass a closed gate from the assaulting side, that is "bad".

If a group of players open the gate normally, get to the Temple and the gate closes behind them due to the keeps which open the gate being retaken, players can still get the scroll out if they survive the gate guards.

The last solution we have talked about (but not added yet) is putting a requirement on the scrolls that the gates must be open to be picked up. This isn't ideal as players could legitimately get the gates open, fight to the temple and not be able to pick up the scroll if the gate closes behind them. This solution however is getting more traction on internal discussions.

Thank you for the feedback, this is very satisfying and exactly what I though.

I would suggest to make it so after X hours the gates closed, you can't press E anymore to loot the scroll.

Simple, elegant solution. So instead they will make it 3 times as complicated, 10 times as dense, 6 times as exploitable.

I still say a one-way insta kill barrier is the best way. If you come in while the Gates are closed, dead. If you go out, i.e if you sneak in when it's open, you'll be fine.

I think they didn't originally use a kill barrier that only worked on certain alliances because its likely not easily implementable. Even though we think it should be/is there might be other reasons that aren't so simple (even though we know they have kill barriers in the starter areas). So instead, they slapped a 10k hit on the mender and called it a day. I think at least if you go frozn's route its a little cheaper dev time wise to execute and will be robust enough that there is little room for exploitation.... as long as the timer works that is

Columba · February 2015

AD, as much as EP lagsploits, this is simply wrong and indefensible. Seriously, you have no leg to stand on defending this. Very poor play on your part. Please cease, and let's beat EP legitimately, not this way.

Bouvin · February 2015

LonePirate wrote: »

At least 8 times (as of now) on Saturday and Sunday, AD on Thornblade NA exploited their way behind the Chim and Ghartok scroll gates to steal EP scrolls. They obviously do not have the talent or skills to grab the scrolls through legitimate gameplay so they need to resort to exploits. They know they are cheating. You know they are cheating.

How about enforcing your TOS and ensure fair game play by permanently banning those losers?

AD is not the only one doing it.

But I agree, ZOS needs to actually take action against exploiters.

Personally I'm kind of sick of everyone in my group lagging and crashing whenever we run into a certain group, who has bragged in the past about using exploits to lag and crash other players.

Roechacca · February 2015

Bouvin · February 2015

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

At the very least, implement one or both of these:
1) Insta-kill barriers at the Gates when they're closed, like at the starting zones.
2) Gates at the Scroll Temples that only open when the associated keeps are captured.

Can't close the gates at the temple because I could get back there legitimately and wait until the time is right to strike. Sorry.

I think the real issue is that the guards stand close enough to the edge for dragon leap and ambush to work.

I'd rather NOT see either nerfed. Because they are useful for things like jumping breeches and such.

Just move the mage guards back so there is no LOS from the front. No one ever gets hit till they pass through the other side anyways.

Lord_Draevan · February 2015

roechacca wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the Scroll cappers knew, they just didn't care

Pchela · February 2015

Ghostbane wrote: »

roechacca wrote: »

http://youtu.be/dsUXAEzaC3Q

AD must replicate the dance of this in a faction wide recording. It must be done.

better dye your armor to match this too, and i will sitchair and watch, please do this.