Lord_Draevan wrote: »
It wasn't intended that you could use it to leap up walls, thus it's being made so you can't. Same for Gates, as Brian Wheeler earlier in this thread said you're not supposed to go through when they're closed.
Lord_Draevan wrote: »
Nothing wrong with that, so long as we can get people stop to pretending only one side uses them.
Lord_Draevan wrote: »
Yes, but it is important to note that changing Ferocious Leap does not fix this exploit. I've seen that said time and time again, and we need to make sure that neither ZOS nor the player base believes that it will.
Are you NA? If yes: Do you even play this game?
Lord_Draevan wrote: »
I still say a one-way insta kill barrier is the best way. If you come in while the Gates are closed, dead. If you go out, i.e if you sneak in when it's open, you'll be fine.
Incoming justification:
"Brian Wheeler only said quote bad unquote. He didn't say it was an exploit. He could have meant bad like we were BAD in an awesome way. It's not our fault ZOS has grey areas."
Lord_Draevan wrote: »
Like I said, ZOS is planning to make it so that you can ony pick up Scroll if the Gates are open, so changing Dragon Leap and its morphs is now unecessary to prevent capping from behind closed Gates.
I do, but unless it's Vokundein, Martini Knights, Northpoint Knights, DiE, Alacrity or a few others, I don't know many guilds of the top of my head :disagree:
You just exploded my brain. How can you know who Martini Knights or Northpoint Knights are, but not IR? They're the only guild on EP which is both skilled and respectable.
Lord_Draevan wrote: »
I just know their names, not if they're good or not. I usually PvP solo or with random people.
its ok young one, you are still innocent
If you genuinely believe someone has violated our Terms of Service, you should report them in-game via the support interface — do not bring the situation onto the official ESO community forums.
ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »Greetings. We understand the frustration that is caused by this behavior and would like to provide some clarification as to how we are addressing it. Firstly, bypassing a closed gate from the assaulting side is indeed an exploit. As Brian explained in his post, there are acceptable ways to get through an open gate and be on the inside of a keep when it closes, but crossing it while it’s closed is not allowed. We will be taking additional measures with Update 6 to prevent this behavior from continuing, and we will of course continue to monitor the situation to see if further measures are required. Our TOS team has been monitoring abuse of this exploit, but it’s important to point out that it can be difficult to enforce across the board. We would also like to point out that reporting in-game behavior on the forums is not as effective as reporting it in-game. As stated in our Terms of Service:
Thank you for understanding and for your patience as we work to address this behavior.
ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »This also includes Elder Scroll Gates before anyone asks. And yes, "bad" actually did mean bad, not good, or like the song. Although I did like the pictures you all posted...
So where's that link you've been talking about for months where Brian Wheeler says gate hopping is not an exploit? Until you produce it or admit that you were not telling the truth, it will be impossible to take anything you have to say seriously.
Ferocious Leap is being fixed to what they intended, the same way Take Flight and the unmorphed Dragon Leap were months ago. To think otherwise is delusional.
Secondly, we don't use Ferocious Leap, we use Take Flight.
The goal here is to get exploits fixed and make as much noise as possible. Hopefully sometime in the near future ZOS will become aware of how these constantly abused exploits affect the PvP community.
Dark Flare, Purge, Wall of Elements, Ferocious Leap. All exploits which Red abuses on the regular, but nobody talks about it.
EDIT: #3 is correct with one caveat. The groups we like don't care about any of this, the groups we dislike are so outraged they probably lost hair this weekend. Notice how IR has had zero presence in all this? We like IR.
ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »Greetings. We understand the frustration that is caused by this behavior and would like to provide some clarification as to how we are addressing it. Firstly, bypassing a closed gate from the assaulting side is indeed an exploit. As Brian explained in his post, there are acceptable ways to get through an open gate and be on the inside of a keep when it closes, but crossing it while it’s closed is not allowed. We will be taking additional measures with Update 6 to prevent this behavior from continuing, and we will of course continue to monitor the situation to see if further measures are required. Our TOS team has been monitoring abuse of this exploit, but it’s important to point out that it can be difficult to enforce across the board. We would also like to point out that reporting in-game behavior on the forums is not as effective as reporting it in-game. As stated in our Terms of Service:
Thank you for understanding and for your patience as we work to address this behavior.
This is a lie. Stop perpetuating this lie. You have no proof. There are no links. The only place you can find Brian Wheeler anywhere with this topic is from other threads and other forums with you saying the same thing.
@ZOS_BrianWheeler You see how this guy is using your name? Wow...
Lava_Croft wrote: »If there's one thing this thread makes crystal clear, it's what kind of people are in the guild called 'Alacrity'.
Witness the death of a guild's reputation right here, live on the Alliance War forums!
ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »This also includes Elder Scroll Gates before anyone asks. And yes, "bad" actually did mean bad, not good, or like the song. Although I did like the pictures you all posted...
Lord_Draevan wrote: »I have no idea who IR is
LonePirate wrote: »
IR is the EP guild with all of the players in red shirts (servants' clothes) you see running around. They are impossible to miss if you spend any time on Thornblade NA. Crystalized is the most famous member of this guild. Many of the players in the upper ranks of the leaderboard are IR members as IR has several very good players who are highly skilled at mowing down massive numbers of enemy players.
@ZOS_BrianWheeler, @ZOS_JoeBlackburn, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
Have you considered that since your support team fails to take action against players exploiting and/or damaging the PvP in this game, allowing us to take this information to the forums might help reduce or prevent future exploits?
Your policies combined create the ideal grounds for exploits and those who use them to thrive. Between your failure to discipline reported players, your failure to fix these exploits within a reasonable period of time, and your naming and shaming policy preventing such players from being called out for their actions, it is impossible to prevent this game from becoming a game of who can use the most exploits without getting caught.
Dark Flare has been broken for months, heal debuff stacking has been broken since the release of the game (and still is), and the Purge bug was buried and hidden by your moderators. These exploits are all used on the regular but nobody does anything about it or cares. The PvP in this game is suffering because your policies are flawed.
You need to do one of four things if you want the exploiting problem in this game to go away:
- Fix exploits in a timely manner
- Discipline players who take advantage of exploits
- Allow us to call out exploiters on the forums
- Allow us to all use the exploits freely
Other companies fix exploits using hot fixes or maintenance patches within days of their discovery, but we've been reporting this exact issue to you for months and it took outrage on the forums to get it fixed. Is this our route of attack, or will you improve these policies going forward?
interesting how just one or two people can ruin the image of a guild isn't it?
ZOS_AmeliaR wrote:Greetings. We understand the frustration that is caused by this behavior and would like to provide some clarification as to how we are addressing it. Firstly, bypassing a closed gate from the assaulting side is indeed an exploit. As Brian explained in his post, there are acceptable ways to get through an open gate and be on the inside of a keep when it closes, but crossing it while it’s closed is not allowed. We will be taking additional measures with Update 6 to prevent this behavior from continuing, and we will of course continue to monitor the situation to see if further measures are required. Our TOS team has been monitoring abuse of this exploit, but it’s important to point out that it can be difficult to enforce across the board. We would also like to point out that reporting in-game behavior on the forums is not as effective as reporting it in-game. As stated in our Terms of Service: If you genuinely believe someone has violated our Terms of Service, you should report them in-game via the support interface — do not bring the situation onto the official ESO community forums.