Add children to ESO?

Gedalya · January 2015

Yes, add them

I'm for any changes that improve the role-playing qualities of the game; the inclusion of children would be great. However, the inclusion of children simply with the thought of victimizing children I think would be detrimental overall.

Ashtaris · January 2015

No, don't add them

So you want to add the possibility of murdering children in the game to improve realism eh? I'm sorry, but the Sandy Hook and Norway shootings were realistic enough for me. I voted NO!!!

If you want to add them, then they need to be only for adoption for future player housing and cannot be attacked.

AlexDougherty · January 2015

Yes, add them

Ashtaris wrote: »

So you want to add the possibility of murdering children in the game to improve realism eh? I'm sorry, but the Sandy Hook and Norway shootings were realistic enough for me. I voted NO!!!

Nope, about half of us who voted yes want them unkillable.
I'm one of the ones who want unkillable children playing in the streets.

Vizier · January 2015

No, don't add them

"You'd Love to be able to include children NPC's in your rampages..."?

I'm thinking this is an example of the exact demographic of why TES and Now ZOS didn't put children in their games. They broke the mold with Skyrim but still made them invincible for a REASON!

Wow...just wow.

If they make Children immortal in game I'd change the answer to Yes. Otherwise IMO the twisted can get their kicks somewhere else. Glad TES/ Bethesda and ZOS to date have had their heads on strait when it comes to this.

Ashtaris · January 2015

No, don't add them

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Ashtaris wrote: »

So you want to add the possibility of murdering children in the game to improve realism eh? I'm sorry, but the Sandy Hook and Norway shootings were realistic enough for me. I voted NO!!!

Nope, about half of us who voted yes want them unkillable.
I'm one of the ones who want unkillable children playing in the streets.

I'm OK with that, really. But what disturbs me is the other half of those voting Yes for other reasons. At least my NO vote might negate some of their demented thinking

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO · January 2015

IIRC from something I read a long time ago, some video game (possibly made by Bethesda, possibly not) had killable children and parents got all up in arms about it so it hasn't really been done since? Could be talking out of my ass though.

seanvwolf · January 2015

No, don't add them

Thanks @Beerbill for resurrecting this dead, contraversial thread.

glentcb14_ESO · January 2015

There isn't enough of them in zone chat?

Moonshadow66 · January 2015

No, don't add them

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Ashtaris wrote: »

So you want to add the possibility of murdering children in the game to improve realism eh? I'm sorry, but the Sandy Hook and Norway shootings were realistic enough for me. I voted NO!!!

Nope, about half of us who voted yes want them unkillable.
I'm one of the ones who want unkillable children playing in the streets.

I'd like to see that, too. But it would be good if their parents (if they'd have any) would be unkillable as well.
I voted "no" because of the reasons of the OP...

Beerbill · January 2015

Yes, add them

seanvwolf wrote: »

Thanks @Beerbill for resurrecting this dead, contraversial thread.

@seanvwolf‌ no problem mate, glad to be of service and is always good to bring new life to this forums isn't it

@Zershar_Vemod‌ thanks for expressing your opinion, you just said a lot of things that I agree with.

Also many games even the ones in mmorpg genre have children, i don't see the reason to not add them (like I said before doesn't matter to me with they are killable or not but, if some people think they would be uncomfortable we should respect that and make them invulnerable).

Personally one of the most interesting experience with gaming was the Children's Week (a game event of a mmo) which you could spend a week with an orphan children and go adventure together, it was incredible satisfying, and for me is proof that children can add good things in a game (even the ones about war and violence).

In the said event you just buy ice cream and do silly things (like getting autographs from heroes) with the orphan but the great thing is after you done all the quests they send you a letter describing the incredible experience they had, some of them even get adopted after

just lovely.

Zershar_Vemod · January 2015

Yes, add them

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

IIRC from something I read a long time ago, some video game (possibly made by Bethesda, possibly not) had killable children and parents got all up in arms about it so it hasn't really been done since? Could be talking out of my ass though.

That was Skyrim.

This is why there are fully voiced portions of the game that relate to children getting killed. For example, after Braith gets killed, another child will comment on her murder.

This is also why children carry weapons in Skyrim - to defend themselves against whatever is attacking them.

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As I will once more point out, I don't care if we get immortal children, but it would be incredibly anti-immersion and a huge lost potential with the Justice System and the concept of one's actions having serious consequences.

Moonshadow66 · January 2015

No, don't add them

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

IIRC from something I read a long time ago, some video game (possibly made by Bethesda, possibly not) had killable children and parents got all up in arms about it so it hasn't really been done since? Could be talking out of my ass though.

That was Skyrim.

This is why there are fully voiced portions of the game that relate to children getting killed. For example, after Braith gets killed, another child will comment on her murder.

This is also why children carry weapons in Skyrim - to defend themselves against whatever is attacking them.
(...)

Uhm, kids are still unkillable in Skyrim. Must have been a mod you've installed.
After reading your postings here, I'm not surprised.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · January 2015

Yes, add them

I voted Yes but not because I want to slaughter kids like the OP seems to want to do!

I know WOW is talked about with derision round here by many, but the fact is WOW has kids in places you'd expect kids to be and they add to the atmosphere: for those that don't know they're 'green' to to both factions, meaning they can't be attacked.

There's a yearly "children's week" in which there's an entirely 'fluffy' and irrelevant small quest chain which, frankly, is kind of touching in what it entails.

Sure, the phat lewt fixated raiders and the high-end PVPers sneer at it, but many players seem to enjoy it.

Other games have children without any problem at all, FFXI has them in the cities and some out in the 'wild', it's not a PVP game so there's no question of their being attackable but it's unthinkable SE would make them so even if the was PVP.

Unlike the OP and some others that support him, I have no problem with the concept of invulnerable children, killing them would be 'realistic' as some have hinted at .. but then so would doing other things to children and adults, none of which I would expect to be supported by those who seem to support killing children .. my 'immersion' wouldn't be dented by not being able to kill a ten-year-old.

Vizier · January 2015

No, don't add them

Wonder how the OP feels about Open world PvP? Just sayin...

AlexDougherty · January 2015

Yes, add them

Ashtaris wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Ashtaris wrote: »

So you want to add the possibility of murdering children in the game to improve realism eh? I'm sorry, but the Sandy Hook and Norway shootings were realistic enough for me. I voted NO!!!

Nope, about half of us who voted yes want them unkillable.
I'm one of the ones who want unkillable children playing in the streets.

I'm OK with that, really. But what disturbs me is the other half of those voting Yes for other reasons. At least my NO vote might negate some of their demented thinking

Yeah, that worries me too.

AlexDougherty · January 2015

Yes, add them

Raygee wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Ashtaris wrote: »

So you want to add the possibility of murdering children in the game to improve realism eh? I'm sorry, but the Sandy Hook and Norway shootings were realistic enough for me. I voted NO!!!

Nope, about half of us who voted yes want them unkillable.
I'm one of the ones who want unkillable children playing in the streets.

I'd like to see that, too. But it would be good if their parents (if they'd have any) would be unkillable as well.
I voted "no" because of the reasons of the OP...

Well I get where you are coming from, no broken families and orphans struggling to survive (by which I mean everyone is ok). I think a few orphans being looked after by priests (and priestesses) and Monks (I think in Tamriel female equivalent is still monk) might be ok though, after all it is war.

But yeah, the idea for some of us is to see the kids basically unharmed and managing to play no matter what (Hope springs eternal and all that).

Wolfchild07 · January 2015

No, don't add them

Definitely NOT! Those kids in Skyrim/games in general irritate me, kids in the real world irritate me...useless parents that don't discipline their kids irritate me! Don't infect this fantasy world with this sort of "realism".

May ZOS spend their time doing more important things.

SantieClaws · January 2015

Yes, add them

I don't see why this is an issue. Kids exist. In all their wonderfulness and annoyingness they do exist.

It is because we block kids out in our lives (and our imaginative lives) that so many of them grow up to be poorly functional adults. We don't want them in restaurants, we don't want them on the bus, we don't want them playing outside our houses, we don't want to deal with them as members of the same species and we don't want them in our fantasy worlds either it seems.

We set them aside in some separate space as though they are not quite human.

By accepting they are normal in our games and our literature etc then we start to accept them as a normal part of our actual lives.

Bring in the kids! Make them unkillable if you have to but the occasional child NPC here and there will not be too annoying and will greatly enchance the beliveablity of the world.

Mjollnir_NL · January 2015

Yes, add them

I voted yes. Just like a dog running after a cat makes it more immersive.

I don't get it why people think it is mature to kill/harm innocent people/children etc.. Realistic maybe. But if that would be the guide line we should not have elfs, lizzards, vampires and other weird things like talking cats :P

eserras7b16_ESO · January 2015

Yes, add them

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Hi, folks. We are interested in your feedback and suggestions, but, as this can be a sensitive subject, we wanted to pop in and gently remind everyone to post with our Code of Conduct in mind. We particularly want to call out that it is never acceptable to discuss real-life or extreme violence on the ESO forums.

I don't think there's an extreme violence yes or no discussion here. TESO world is sad without children at the moment. I think we need children for immersion and fun wich are the goals of this game. We should be able to come up with younger characters in the character creation (not children but 16y0 wich actualy you can't)

And I guess there's no legal issues since there's been plenty if not more than 70% of games wich involve role playing and realistic or non-realistic worlds with children on them, mostly killable.

And sadly, real life will always be harder than any fantastic worlds out there... you could make children unkilable for start of course.

Oh and, nobody talks about old people, but there's lack of old people aswel

SantieClaws · January 2015

Yes, add them

eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »

Oh and, nobody talks about old people, but there's lack of old people aswel

I have seen quite a few older characters (NPCs) in the game, mostly female. Wise women type characters.

Mathius_Mordred · January 2015

Yes, add them

Yes add them.

I think it absolutely goes without saying that if they were added they would be untargettable just as the cats and dogs are now. The people that want to butcher digital children have much bigger issues than this computer game and should seek psychiatric help immediately. As a father of three I love to see kids around, sure they can be annoying sometimes but after all without children humanity would be extinct in under a century.

Adding kids would add to the immersion of the game just as it did in Skyrim, in fact there are many aspects of Skyrim that would fit well with ESO and I am pleased to see the Justice system being introduced but there are many more aspects that could improve immersion.

badmojo0777b14_ESO · January 2015

im looking for the "who cares" option, on the poll. so trivial, too many other important issues to be concerned with

Zershar_Vemod · January 2015

Yes, add them

Raygee wrote: »

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

ryanmjmcevoy_ESO wrote: »

IIRC from something I read a long time ago, some video game (possibly made by Bethesda, possibly not) had killable children and parents got all up in arms about it so it hasn't really been done since? Could be talking out of my ass though.

That was Skyrim.

This is why there are fully voiced portions of the game that relate to children getting killed. For example, after Braith gets killed, another child will comment on her murder.

This is also why children carry weapons in Skyrim - to defend themselves against whatever is attacking them.
(...)

Uhm, kids are still unkillable in Skyrim. Must have been a mod you've installed.
After reading your postings here, I'm not surprised.

Skyrim was going to have killable children ORIGIANLLY. It wasn't until butt-hurt tinfoil hat wearers complained and got it removed.

SirKeka · January 2015

Yes, add them

Would make the world feel more real and improve immersion.

Moonshadow66 · January 2015

No, don't add them

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Raygee wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Ashtaris wrote: »

So you want to add the possibility of murdering children in the game to improve realism eh? I'm sorry, but the Sandy Hook and Norway shootings were realistic enough for me. I voted NO!!!

Nope, about half of us who voted yes want them unkillable.
I'm one of the ones who want unkillable children playing in the streets.

I'd like to see that, too. But it would be good if their parents (if they'd have any) would be unkillable as well.
I voted "no" because of the reasons of the OP...

Well I get where you are coming from, no broken families and orphans struggling to survive (by which I mean everyone is ok). I think a few orphans being looked after by priests (and priestesses) and Monks (I think in Tamriel female equivalent is still monk) might be ok though, after all it is war.

But yeah, the idea for some of us is to see the kids basically unharmed and managing to play no matter what (Hope springs eternal and all that).

As long as no players make them orphans on purpose, a few orphans would be ok (like in Skyrim f.e.), yes. So basically whole families (and the priests and monks who look after them) shouldn't be killable.

Zershar_Vemod · January 2015

Yes, add them

Raygee wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Raygee wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Ashtaris wrote: »

So you want to add the possibility of murdering children in the game to improve realism eh? I'm sorry, but the Sandy Hook and Norway shootings were realistic enough for me. I voted NO!!!

Nope, about half of us who voted yes want them unkillable.
I'm one of the ones who want unkillable children playing in the streets.

I'd like to see that, too. But it would be good if their parents (if they'd have any) would be unkillable as well.
I voted "no" because of the reasons of the OP...

Well I get where you are coming from, no broken families and orphans struggling to survive (by which I mean everyone is ok). I think a few orphans being looked after by priests (and priestesses) and Monks (I think in Tamriel female equivalent is still monk) might be ok though, after all it is war.

But yeah, the idea for some of us is to see the kids basically unharmed and managing to play no matter what (Hope springs eternal and all that).

As long as no players make them orphans on purpose, a few orphans would be ok (like in Skyrim f.e.), yes. So basically whole families (and the priests and monks who look after them) shouldn't be killable.

Vendors, quest givers, etc. are the ones that will be safe.

Moonshadow66 · January 2015

No, don't add them

Wolfchild07 wrote: »

Definitely NOT! Those kids in Skyrim/games in general irritate me, kids in the real world irritate me...useless parents that don't discipline their kids irritate me! Don't infect this fantasy world with this sort of "realism".

May ZOS spend their time doing more important things.

I have to agree on that, I can't stand this either. There are too many parents and whole families in RL living like the "Flodders" (a silly movie from the 80s). But I'm pretty sure that kind of NPC's (to get back to the gameworld) won't be added to the game

I'm a mother, but I can understand why other people might not like kids, though. So if some would be added to the game, then hopefully not annoying ones that some players wouldn't like. (I admit it, Braith in Skyrim was horrible annoying, even to me^^).

Psychobunni · January 2015

No, don't add them

This little burb from Skyrim's time says " Bethesda’s Pete Hines tweeted that the killing of children would not be permitted in Skyrim, and any other future Bethesda games"

egmr.net/2011/11/oh-look-now-you-can-kill-children-in-skyrim/

I'm not searching his twitter feed that far back to find it for 100% certainty that he actually said it.

The only "proof" that it was intended is some voice actions/some letter getting mailed after someone dies type things....could those have been added in because of choices the player makes? (Big fight in Whiterun for example)

Without Bethesda confirming they intended it, players screaming all day it was intentional doesn't quite make it so. I would add that the statement "not in any future games" directly from them lends more to the belief that they did not intend for it to happen. Not being a completely online game, they couldn't very well take back all the sold copies and recode it.

Moonshadow66 · January 2015

No, don't add them

Psychobunni wrote: »

This little burb from Skyrim's time says " Bethesda’s Pete Hines tweeted that the killing of children would not be permitted in Skyrim, and any other future Bethesda games"

egmr.net/2011/11/oh-look-now-you-can-kill-children-in-skyrim/

I'm not searching his twitter feed that far back to find it for 100% certainty that he actually said it.

The only "proof" that it was intended is some voice actions/some letter getting mailed after someone dies type things....could those have been added in because of choices the player makes? (Big fight in Whiterun for example)

Without Bethesda confirming they intended it, players screaming all day it was intentional doesn't quite make it so. I would add that the statement "not in any future games" directly from them lends more to the belief that they did not intend for it to happen. Not being a completely online game, they couldn't very well take back all the sold copies and recode it.

I just read it all, it's very interesting. Thanks for posting it!