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Invulnerability exploit.
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Ezareth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Well the player in question is a Sorc. I've never seen a NB use it but yes actually you bring up a good possibility since we're talking mitigation. There could be a Veil of Blades exploit that stacks with a 5% reduction from PVP Armor that would bring you very close to the mitigation they're receiving.
The game client with a hack could theoretically place a synergy command for a veil of blades and it wouldn't surprise me that the server side wouldn't check for the existence of the ultimate in the player vicinity.
Hrmm. I'll have to find a NB to test this with to check my numbers.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
Too Much Bolt Escape - banned for "hacking the game to create movement not otherwise permitted by in game mechanics."
Ezareth VR16 AD Sorc - Rank 36 - Axe NA
Ezareth-Ali VR16 DC NB - Rank 20 - Chillrend NA
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krim✭✭✭✭✭ezareth_ESO wrote: »Well the player in question is a Sorc. I've never seen a NB use it but yes actually you bring up a good possibility since we're talking mitigation. There could be a Veil of Blades exploit that stacks with a 5% reduction from PVP Armor that would bring you very close to the mitigation they're receiving.
The game client with a hack could theoretically place a synergy command for a veil of blades and it wouldn't surprise me that the server side wouldn't check for the existence of the ultimate in the player vicinity.
Hrmm. I'll have to find a NB to test this with to check my numbers.
Oh boy...2 -
Ezareth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ezareth_ESO wrote: »Well the player in question is a Sorc. I've never seen a NB use it but yes actually you bring up a good possibility since we're talking mitigation. There could be a Veil of Blades exploit that stacks with a 5% reduction from PVP Armor that would bring you very close to the mitigation they're receiving.
The game client with a hack could theoretically place a synergy command for a veil of blades and it wouldn't surprise me that the server side wouldn't check for the existence of the ultimate in the player vicinity.
Hrmm. I'll have to find a NB to test this with to check my numbers.
Oh boy...
Ohh boy what? Go watch the video. See my triple crit at the end that does less than a quarter of normal damage on a player with no shields or abilities up.
Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
Too Much Bolt Escape - banned for "hacking the game to create movement not otherwise permitted by in game mechanics."
Ezareth VR16 AD Sorc - Rank 36 - Axe NA
Ezareth-Ali VR16 DC NB - Rank 20 - Chillrend NA
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Columba✭✭✭✭✭
✭krim do you use this hack too? serious, ad players are complaining about this exploit too. So what's the deal?3 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭krim...If you want me to send you the video I have that they removed I can.
I know what I hit people from regularly. Hell people in your guild probably know what i hit for. So I can send you a video if ya like and you're welcome to explain it.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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BloodStorm✭✭✭
Exactly. I still have paid time but Haven't played since first month of release. I was a vampire in early access and one of the first and the game was fun but after a month playing with no justice system , and pvp exploits I got bored. I hope when Ps4 launches in 2015 it will be polished mostly. I gave up on Cyrodill though and will stick to pve content and maybe player bounties for now on. I personally think Cyrodill was a bad move for a ES game. Should of stuck with smaller pvp areas and justice system pvp.ezareth_ESO wrote: »The vamp mistform exploit is SO EASY to do......but i don't use it, cos i feel, when u resort to that, it's an admission of how bad a player you are....
That being said. Just yesterday. i happen to run into a NB, caught him lurking. Started to go to work on him. Yeah. He had 2% health and became immortal.(If you know how the mistform exploit works, you'll understand)
Then he had the nerve to kill me and do push ups on my body.....
I mean come on.
Don't push honest ppl to a point where they get so pissed off, that they start fighting fire with fire k?
A good amount of the exploiters, were ppl playing honestly and got sick of getting owned by exploits...
Yeah the sorc in my other video had the nerve to message me to taunt me after I was killed by his team after chasing him to his forward camp "You can't kill me" to which I replied "I wasn't try to". I knew I couldn't kill him, my point was just to build evidence to pass on to ESO so they could fix the exploit and ban the player. Neither happened.
I seriously wonder how many players left out of the fraction who are left are the people who subscribed for 6 months at the start. I'm pretty certain when that 6 month mark hits this game is going to become a graveyard. Without some drastic turn of events and some come to jesus meeting from Zenimax I'll be one of those players who is gone. I unsubscribed after Zenimax let Caltrops go on for a month without fixing them.
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Baphomet✭✭✭✭✭
✭One can only wonder how many of these exploits would disappear if they decided to disable vampirism for a few weeks - would be interesting to see.
And if they could actually look into the alleged armor set stacking to see whether it is actually this that is causing some player groups to be nigh invulnerable.
Some of these invulnerability exploits are not based on shield stacking. They are based on stacking of raw mitigation somehow. At least that's what I can gather from the various combat logs and add-ons.
And speaking of shield stacking, a fun new macro is being used as well now. One click and you cast hardened ward, shield ally and harness magicka in a second.
Not only does @Zenimax have some serious exploits to slam down on, they aso have something to do about combat macros.
I really think they ought to move some people around in their departments to reinforce the code wizards that actually program the game. But hey, we're getting new facial animations, right....Edited by Baphomet on September 15, 2014 7:03AM- The Psijic Order
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Renuo✭✭✭You are also forgetting about NB ultimate veil of blades 60% damage reduction.
He is a sorc and was alone. Veil is pretty obvious so no it wasn't that.
Anyway, I'm getting a feeling you're just trolling at this point so we should just leave you be...Dark Renuo - Nightblade - Daggerfall Thornblade
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krim✭✭✭✭✭Heres a quote from above where someone mentions a NB.Elmojito1000eb17_ESO wrote: »Just came across a player a NB Vampire who would not take much damage. Add ons showed me and a group member dishing out over 800 damage each and his health bare stayed at 100%.
He showed up again and 4 of us dished out all we can on him, expert hunter kicking in 4 times for me alone and when finally out of stamina his health bar started to move.
He has min 5 light on, i dealt all physical attacks, when he finally went down, we all asked each other "did you see that crap?"
Some players are def exploiting something surely.
And ill quote myself againI just cant take them seriously anymore when i have played with people in the past who die and in a rage claim someone is cheating because they have no idea what that person is using or running. Only to find out later that its a certain skill, build, or w.e and not cheats.2 -
Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
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And speaking of shield stacking, a fun new macro is being used as well now. One click and you cast hardened ward, shield ally and harness magicka in a second.
Could someone please explain to me how it would be possible to get a macro to ignore the animation timing faux-cooldowns? I keep hearing/reading people claiming macros are allowing people to fire off many abilities (NOT light attacks, NOT bash/block) into one animation window and that is just not possible.Heres a quote from above where someone mentions a NB.Elmojito1000eb17_ESO wrote: »Just came across a player a NB Vampire who would not take much damage. Add ons showed me and a group member dishing out over 800 damage each and his health bare stayed at 100%.
He showed up again and 4 of us dished out all we can on him, expert hunter kicking in 4 times for me alone and when finally out of stamina his health bar started to move.
He has min 5 light on, i dealt all physical attacks, when he finally went down, we all asked each other "did you see that crap?"
Some players are def exploiting something surely.
And ill quote myself againI just cant take them seriously anymore when i have played with people in the past who die and in a rage claim someone is cheating because they have no idea what that person is using or running. Only to find out later that its a certain skill, build, or w.e and not cheats.
There certainly are people who will cry hacks when all they were encountering was a good build. I have read quite a few in this thread where people's claims appeared to be easily explained by viable game mechanics. But, there is definitely some form of mitigation hack going on in other scenarios. You know something is going wrong when there are no shields up and your attacks are doing 40-100 damage instead of the usual 400-1000.Edited by Erock25 on September 15, 2014 5:53PMYou earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points1 -
Dleatherus✭✭✭✭✭
✭@krim
as mentioned earlier in this thread, EIGHT above average (not as elite and gifted and talented as you are) players were simultaneously unleashing max dps on a sorc who is stunned on the ground with 2% health and on a consistent basis he gets up with 30%-35% health restored - not one offchance encounter where something might have been glitched - but frequently over a span of 2-3 weeks now
yup, you're right, everybody else is wrong, highly skilled player here using no cheats or exploits
i recant my earlier accusations when one shot killed by 40,000+ damage from a single snipe - no bug, cheat or exploit there, just another highly skilled player
in fact this is amazing, using this mindset i can now see the light - thank you brother, praise cheezus, for now i too can claim to have not seen people exploiting
emperor farmers - highly skilled players
people setting up forward camps behind closed temple gates - highly skilled players
people circumventing bosses in AA by glitching though doors, and then proudly proclaiming in their sigs that they have the world record for completing AA - highly skilled players
in fact looking at things in this new light i can totally understand why you come into zone chat on thornblade and issue comments like 'all of you using bows are f%$#ing idiots, you need to learn to play the game, you're all f*&$ing scrubs!!!"
i am enlightened indeed
ty
D.Edited by Dleatherus on September 15, 2014 6:04PMStands in Puddles VR12 NB
Dleatherus VR10 Templar
Emperor Farmers, cheaters and exploiters - just like cockroaches in real life, Tamriel will never be rid of them6 -
Tintinabula✭✭✭✭✭
✭My damage meter says Ive DOT ticked players before for 10700 oil damage with an oil pot. Either my damage meter was wrong or something wonky happened.
If you've ever been crit DOTd for 10700 by me I WAS NOT CHEATING.1 -
polar✭✭✭Add me to the list of folks starting to wear a bit thin on this stuff. I have been noticing practically invulnerable players more and more. This weekend it just kept happening. In one example, there was a sorc that fell off of a keep wall right in front of about 9 of us. Of course, we put all of the DPS we could muster right in to him... nothing. He absorbed it all.. his health went down at first and then just would not budge. He literally walked through our siege line while being attacked (after fighting back for a while) and joined a zerg that was on the other side the hill. We could not get him to zero health.Edited by polar on September 15, 2014 9:43PM2
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Braidas✭✭✭✭✭@Dleatherus oh just saw your char name in your sig. i was thinking i prob shouldve seen you by now in cyro but i remember seeing ur char now aha he looks hilarious
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Dleatherus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »@Dleatherus oh just saw your char name in your sig. i was thinking i prob shouldve seen you by now in cyro but i remember seeing ur char now aha he looks hilarious
ty - he was built for amusement - 400lbs of orc lard leaping ridiculously gracefully through the air whilst performing a NB ambush was the intent
glad he made ya smile
D.Edited by Dleatherus on September 15, 2014 6:20PMStands in Puddles VR12 NB
Dleatherus VR10 Templar
Emperor Farmers, cheaters and exploiters - just like cockroaches in real life, Tamriel will never be rid of them4 -
krim✭✭✭✭✭Dleatherus wrote: »@krim
as mentioned earlier in this thread, EIGHT above average (not as elite and gifted and talented as you are) players were simultaneously unleashing max dps on a sorc who is stunned on the ground with 2% health and on a consistent basis he gets up with 30%-35% health restored - not one offchance encounter where something might have been glitched - but frequently over a span of 2-3 weeks now
yup, you're right, everybody else is wrong, highly skilled player here using no cheats or exploits
i recant my earlier accusations when one shot killed by 40,000+ damage from a single snipe - no bug, cheat or exploit there, just another highly skilled player
in fact this is amazing, using this mindset i can now see the light - thank you brother, praise cheezus, for now i too can claim to have not seen people exploiting
emperor farmers - highly skilled players
people setting up forward camps behind closed temple gates - highly skilled players
people circumventing bosses in AA by glitching though doors, and then proudly proclaiming in their sigs that they have the world record for completing AA - highly skilled players
in fact looking at things in this new light i can totally understand why you come into zone chat on thornblade and issue comments like 'all of you using bows are f%$#ing idiots, you need to learn to play the game, you're all f*&$ing scrubs!!!"
i am enlightened indeed
ty
D.
hella reaching buddy...
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Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Add me to the list of folks starting to wear a bit thin on this stuff. I have been noticing practically invulnerable players more and more. This weekend it just kept happening. In one example, there was a sorc that fell off of a keep wall right in front of about 9 of us. Of course, we put all of the DPS we could muster right in to him... nothing. He absorbed it all.. he health went down at first and then just would not budge. He literally walked through our siege line while being attacked (after fighting back for a while) and joined a zerg that was on the other side the hill. We could not get him to zero health.
See posts like this are the problem. This example could easily have been someone casting Hardened Ward, Harness Magicka, and Healing Ward over and over. You make generalities like about all 9 of you unloading but are you sure everyone instantly started DPSing? Did he Bolt Escape (leaves the glowing orb) giving himself temporary immunity to projectiles? You'd be amazed at what people with proper builds and no lag can do.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points6 -
Columba✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lol, if mechanics explain perma invulnerability, then this game is in much worse shape than I ever imagined.2 -
krim✭✭✭✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »
Again reaching... someone brought up a NB exploiting taking no dmg in the thread.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭AlienDiplomat wrote: »
Again reaching... someone brought up a NB exploiting taking no dmg in the thread.
I need reach no further than the obvious video evidence in @ezareth_ESO's sig.
Or would you prefer not to talk about that?2 -
Ezareth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This thread has just been derailed.
Too many people are confusing too many different things with the actual exploit.
The only way to be 100% certain if a character is using this exploit is to hit them with NO SHIELDS/No Block up and the damage done is ~70% mitigated with no other active effects on them like Veil of Blades etc.
Blocked mitigation appears in parenthesis in FTC.
I fight 8 people as a sorc all the time and take no damage to my health by spamming shields (which quickly runs you OOM). Still, someone being extremely survivable is not a case of exploiting. Someone taking ridiculously reduced damage despite having no other effects active is a much stronger likelihood.
To date I have only seen FOUR people using this exploit and all of them were EP.
Krim doesn't use this or any other exploit that I know of. I've grouped with him and he dies just like the rest of us do.
People accusing people of exploiting for no damn logical reason is half the reason accusations of REAL exploiters are met with such derision.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
Too Much Bolt Escape - banned for "hacking the game to create movement not otherwise permitted by in game mechanics."
Ezareth VR16 AD Sorc - Rank 36 - Axe NA
Ezareth-Ali VR16 DC NB - Rank 20 - Chillrend NA
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Baphomet✭✭✭✭✭
✭@ezareth_ESO
As you correctly demonstrate in this video, there definately is a damage mitigation exploit - or exploits - out there.
I have definately seen more than 4 people doing this, and I strongly encourage @ESOBrian_Wheeler to take a serious look at this and tell us that they're working on a fix.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Naming & Shaming]Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on September 23, 2014 5:32PM- The Psijic Order
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Braidas✭✭✭✭✭Unless the GM who looked at the dude's stuff is a complete *** ***, I'm inclined to believe it is some legit use of game mechanics in an unintended way, which ZOS has no desire to fix. Hopefully, it becomes no bigger than a few bad players being very hard to kill.0
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polar✭✭✭Add me to the list of folks starting to wear a bit thin on this stuff. I have been noticing practically invulnerable players more and more. This weekend it just kept happening. In one example, there was a sorc that fell off of a keep wall right in front of about 9 of us. Of course, we put all of the DPS we could muster right in to him... nothing. He absorbed it all.. he health went down at first and then just would not budge. He literally walked through our siege line while being attacked (after fighting back for a while) and joined a zerg that was on the other side the hill. We could not get him to zero health.
See posts like this are the problem. This example could easily have been someone casting Hardened Ward, Harness Magicka, and Healing Ward over and over. You make generalities like about all 9 of you unloading but are you sure everyone instantly started DPSing? Did he Bolt Escape (leaves the glowing orb) giving himself temporary immunity to projectiles? You'd be amazed at what people with proper builds and no lag can do.
No, I don't think it is part of the problem sharing an observation. The sorc did not bolt escape and he was fighting back. I don't know if he is exploiting or not (though I do lean toward exploiting) though that degree of survivability is a problem either way you look at it. It makes people cry big cow tears that vamps with a specific armor set can move fast "it makes them OP! unfair advantage! nerf it!" but then we are supposed to accept a player that can absorb several other players laying in to them and they can just walk on by? I know at least four of the others attacking the guy and they hit like trucks. If that was just spamming skills on his part, then there are some seriously broken mechanics in play here....and they are new. Either way it is frustrating and needs a fix.2 -
Dleatherus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »Unless the GM who looked at the dude's stuff is a complete *** ***, I'm inclined to believe it is some legit use of game mechanics in an unintended way, which ZOS has no desire to fix. Hopefully, it becomes no bigger than a few bad players being very hard to kill.
could be ... but if it's legit i doubt just a few bad players will want this kind of invulnerability - you're at 2% health, stunned on the ground with 8 players wailing on you, and you stand up with 20%-35% health back- wonder how many baby sorcs are being rolled as we speak?
D.
p.s. oh, and btw, dk chain pulling 'friendly' enemies to ninja cap keeps/scrolls, siege weapon limit exploits, emperor farming, etc etc are other good examples that ZOS at one point classified as 'legit use of game mechanics in an unintended way'Edited by Dleatherus on September 15, 2014 10:10PMStands in Puddles VR12 NB
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Emperor Farmers, cheaters and exploiters - just like cockroaches in real life, Tamriel will never be rid of them2
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