I would like to see a hybrid solution. Mention in a corner if the achievement has been done with this character or not . Think that could be a solution for achievement like dungeon related one. But i really like that some would be on account such as werewolf and vampire achievement...i had plan to not try those on my main. Now I feel like I have to...

SBR_QuorTek wrote: »

I really don't want to harvest 50000 nodes... lol

Amongst other things for sure. My main is sitting on almost 10,000 achievement points, repeating the process on each of my alts is slightly masochistic!

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Still not getting this need to avoid actually playing the game if you create a fresh character, where is the fun in just poking a few buttons typing a name in and getting an instant VR12 with all achieves ticked off?

Are you the sort of people who load up offline games and go straight for the cheat that gives 'god mode'?

Surely the fun is in playing... My main has 9k points so far but will never be vamp or WW... A future alt may choose one of those paths and will get that achieve on that character... Each character is different.

Maybe it is about how you see your characters... Do you see them as individual creations or do you just see them as in game extensions of you?

'Avoid playing the game'? Doing it once and being told you need to do it again multiple times isn't avoiding the game, it's avoiding the filler. Also excellent use of hyperbole, who said anything about hitting max veteran rank alongside a shared achievement system? As discussed throughout the thread, a character specific achievement system could be introduced alongside a general account wide one.

No, I'm the sort of person to plays a game through 100% and unlocks everything, which is half my issue.

Yes and no. I'm enjoying my ESO experience a great deal but I don't enjoy the prospect of gathering thousands of nodes, having to spend months on each character PvPing, spending weeks farming dolmens / delves / dungeons, maxing all crafting professions on and gathering / spending a great deal of gold on motifs, recipes and trophies for each individual character.

I treat my characters as individuals in terms of morality and decision making. Each character is an individual but I don't see achievements as anything outside of filler. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to do them once, but not 4+ times. Like I said, I think GW2 had one of the best achievement systems I've seen, but that's just my opinion.

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

The 'I should be able to skip questing on alts' was from another thread not yours.

For me I enjoy developing each character in its own way and so the achievements each does or does not have are a part of that uniqueness.

In fairness there are some (like monster hunter) where I will only do them once as I resent having to run around specific areas poaching kills from newbies as the only practical way to kill x number of something rare.

That one thing that converted me to being OK with dyes being shared across an account.

But the crafting stuff is unique to a character, my main is maxed in all 6 and has the achievements to prove it, my secondary does not craft and has no right to have them.

Having them account wide would detract from the way I play, having a little marker next to ones an alt had achieved would be OK but the points should only be for the character that earned them.

And therefore it isn't really relevant to the discussion at hand. I'm all for alternative leveling routes and while questing was enjoyable at first I'm probably going to grind my alts to rank 12.

Fair enough and there are many people who share a similar stance as yourself, they want each character to be unique and whatnot. While I can respect that, it isn't my cup of tea.

But doesn't that go against the whole unique character mentality? What does practicality have to do with anything? You can't say you want each character to be unique but be against doing achievements on each character to 'unlock' the dyes and whatnot. If you're against a shared achievement system odds are you should be against the shared dye system and self impose limits to what dye what character can use sort of thing.

And does your secondary still benefit from the dyes that are unlocked by the main? If so see above.

Likewise, having them how they are is painful for those achievement hunter perfectionists like myself, thus the topic at hand. That being said I can respect where you're coming from and acknowledge we both have different opinions about the topic at hand. I think it will be difficult to reach a middle ground, but I suppose that's sort of what this thread is for!

Theosis wrote: »

This argument is just a step toward elitism..

Bold statement, feel free to explain how an account wide achievement has anything to do with elitism.

They should make each achievement Account wide except for the ones listed under - Character, General and Guilds. Those ones needs to be character only.

I'd like it if small achievements like harvesting and fishing could be account wide but not everything.

I'm strongly against this:
The achievements means nothing: It unlock dies, but that's account wide, wich is good. Other than that the Achievement means NOTHING else than being achievements.
So I can see in my journal and see what I've succeeded to do with THAT character.

At the moment its account wide, I'll mix up the achievement I've done with one character and the other with another character: I'll not be able to see if I've cleared a whole area, or if I've discovered all skyshard or all delves, because I'd have done it before with another character and everything is mix up:

I think it remove a LOT from the pleasure and the convenience to have an achievement system.


TLDR: If the Achievement are account wide, why even have achievements at all?

Elloa wrote: »

I'm strongly against this:
The achievements means nothing: It unlock dies, but that's account wide, wich is good. Other than that the Achievement means NOTHING else than being achievements.
So I can see in my journal and see what I've succeeded to do with THAT character.

At the moment its account wide, I'll mix up the achievement I've done with one character and the other with another character: I'll not be able to see if I've cleared a whole area, or if I've discovered all skyshard or all delves, because I'd have done it before with another character and everything is mix up:

I think it remove a LOT from the pleasure and the convenience to have an achievement system.


TLDR: If the Achievement are account wide, why even have achievements at all?

You say achievements mean nothing and proceed to go on to say that achievements mean something on a character to character basis, I'm honestly not sure what you're trying to debate here.

Once again, there can be character specific and general account wide achievements, this has been discussed again and again throughout the topic. If your argument is 'I won't be able to differentiate between characters in terms of skyshards' I'm not really sure what to say.. it's entirely possible to have something akin to 'achievement completed on x, this specific character still requires these skyshards'.

Your concept of pleasure is my concept of masochism! Spending months doing the same thing over 4 characters isn't fun, the first time yes but by the 4th time I'll question my sanity.

Because achievements are still achievements? That isn't really a strong argument.

Tapio75 wrote: »

Account wide stuff is really idiotic, have dyes be account wide but achievments themselves.. Never!

I remember when WOW made account wide stuff like pets and achievments, i felt great for a while. Finally i had all the stuff i ever wanted from achievments i had in other characters. After ciyoke if moths i just lost will to play because i had nothing to achieve with new characters. Doing something that gave achievment without getting achievment again is not rewarding if i dont ear that achievment with that new character. Account wide stupidnes only removes replay value from games.

Better think it this way, if you dont get account wide achievments, you are propably just displeased for a while but if we get something snitched away from us, many of us will be outright angry.

What sort of mentality is that? 'It's cool that dyes are account wide because it appeases me and prevents me from being forced to do achievements on my alts, but if you want a selection of account wide achievements you're idiotic'?

Um, I don't think achievements should even been considered 'replay value' for any game. If the only incentive an individual has to roll an alt is to complete achievements they've already done on their main I'm going to assume there's something wrong with this system. May I ask how many achievement points your main has compared to your alts? For, well, science and whatnot.

Perhaps, but a great deal of people are unhappy with the current system, or at least open to the notion of a new system. Just because ESO and ZeniMax took one path it doesn't mean the doors should be shut completely. That's like saying remove the pending champion system because you made the game originally with a veteran rank system.

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

My main is a completionist, my alts are not

I do use some of the dyes for alts that do not own them... my Dunmer NB needs that Molag Bal black & Nightblade Purple... and I am aware it is inconsistent, its just how I feel... which is why I could see a visible indicator of account progress being fine as long as you only had the points by character... a sort of compromise...

I as a human being am a completionist and therefore my alts are also completionists.

I could call you out on your adamant stance that each character should be an individual yet you openly use dyes you shouldn't on alts purely because they're there. That's redundant really and serves no purpose outside of 'which dye am I missing?'. Like I keep saying, a selection of account wide achievements alongside character specific ones seems like a decent middle ground.

For me achievements are like a guide on what i have done with a particular character. Have i done all quests in an area? Have i found all skyshards? (I dont use external applications). So if i havent done something i dont want my achievements page to tell me otherwise because i did that with a previous character months ago

I dont like the fact that on my main character I will never be able to get all the achievements.
I have an alt at vr2 which is my provisioner, enchanter and alchemist. I can never get the achievements on my main because it will cost me twice the materials to level. huge amount of gold to respec so I can get skill points into the crafting skills, then respec back after getting the achievements and meanwhile lose out on skills due to lack of skill points.

my main have 250 skill points but I already have 3 crafting skills and lots of skills I want to use in pve and pvp that I dont want to lose out on.

now that dyes is account wide I dont see why achievements and titles cant be too, with the exception of those you get skill points from.
I suppose there is a few other achievements that should probably stay character specific, but the majority should be account wide with an account wide achievement score.

if you do the character achievement twice, you dont get the achievement points for the 2nd and 3rd time etc. OR, the 2nd time around it just shows the achievement without a score on it, so when you do get it, you complete teh achievement and no extra achievement points

PharmaChief wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

Please read through the entire thread, this has been discussed. It's entirely possible to have account wide achievements (general stuff) and character specific achievements (skyshards, lorebooks, undaunted stuff). So if your answer is no purely because you won't be able to track which character needs what I'm not sure what to say, a system which does exactly that wouldn't be horrible to implement alongside the shared system (or so I'm told).

You will forgive me for skipping through reading the entire thread i hope!!! I just stated my personal opinion. Anyway, about your comment, sure if they can combine the goods of both worlds then i am all for it

I can indeed forgive you, but the topic appears more quite frequently given the nature of the suggestion.. it might be best I start copy / pasting the explanation in the future as opposed to simply asking a poster to read the whole thread. It would save me a headache and a poster a whole lot of snarky material!

convoluted question, based upon flawed a premise

- convoluted because your poll does not include or differentiate between reward-tied achievements and e-peen (brag only) achievements

- flawed premise as we already have account-wide registerings from single character achievements (see: dyes)

still voted 'FOR' however, as with the current system, they mostly serve as a grinding mechanic, ie do each times 8 (character limit)
as to the guy talking about honour and his pixels...waky waky, your sense of honour needs be redefined AS and P. Commence by shutting down your pc. Exit room, follow sun rays.
Achievements are there for you to stroke that wheel like a good hamster. Naught more, and naught else. Really.

(hint: honour is not defined by outcome Brandon, but rather by intent and course of action. Action, not outcome. And never, never in pixels. Really )

I put unsure because although I agree some achievement s would be nice to be account wide. Specifically kill x creatures. Open x chests etc. There are a lot of other achievements that should be char specific. Ones that have dyes or titles.

killerintheline9 wrote: »

Hand to the forehead. Enough said.

Right back at ya bud.