[SUGGESTION] Account wide achievements change.

Exstazik

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Don't want to waste time to earn again my 13k+ achievements on another character.

The_Sadist

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Wizzo91 wrote: »

I don't see the point in this dicussion. For people that don't care about achievements/dyes/titles ths system is useless. It is also useless for people that enjoy achievements because they can do them only once.

Also aren't dyes account wide?

I do see the point in this discussion . If you don't care about achievements / dyes / titles you'd be indifferent regardless and ultimately wouldn't care if it was changed. That's where you're wrong, there's also the other side of the coin, individuals who want achievements done on all of their characters but find spending weeks or up to a month fishing a bit excessive per character. Doing those achievements once is enough.. ask someone who has all the fishing achievements if they would do it again and again and perhaps once more.

Dyes are account wide, but I don't see how that's relevant to your argument.

ThumbShanks wrote: »

It's simple, make it so achievements are account wide, have a option to hide achievements not gained on the current character, thus allowing those who are completionists to go out and complete the achievements on the character. Those who are not about completionism with every single character simply will be able to see what achievements account wide they have. While also making the title achievements locked until the character has it completed.

Bam mindblown!

[yayarcherreference]

Kitty!

This isn't the system I have in mind as it's basically the same as the current. If the option is only to hide what a character can potentially do, the completionist in me will need to do it regardless. If it's something akin to 'certain achievements are account wide, with the remaining continuing to be character specific' I'd be happy. Like I said in the first post, fishing, collectibles, crafting and certain aspects of the character section could all be made account wide with minimal impact on individuals who love achievement hunting.. it just cuts down the pointless filler and makes crazy people, like myself, happy.

Wizzo91

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The_Sadist wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

I don't see the point in this dicussion. For people that don't care about achievements/dyes/titles ths system is useless. It is also useless for people that enjoy achievements because they can do them only once.

Also aren't dyes account wide?

I do see the point in this discussion . If you don't care about achievements / dyes / titles you'd be indifferent regardless and wouldn't care if it was ultimately changed. That's where you're wrong, there's also the other side of the coin, individuals who want achievements done on all of their characters but find spending weeks or up to a month fishing a bit excessive per character. Doing those achievements once is enough.. ask someone who has all the fishing achievements if they would do it again and again and perhaps once more.

Dyes are account wide, but I don't see how that's relevant to your argument.

But why would they want all the achievements done on all characters? People that deem achievements important can do them on all characters if they wish.

Am I missing something here? Rewards for achievements are dyes and titles. Dyes are already account wide, for obvious reasons titles should not be. So if I understand you correctly, all you want is that achievements get unlocked on all characters and that you can view them in the journal + can see the points added to your alts overall achievement points?!

If this is the case I honestly think implementing this would be a total waste of ressources.

The_Sadist

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Wizzo91 wrote: »

But why would they want all the achievements done on all characters? People that deem achievements important can do them on all characters if they wish.

Am I missing something here? Rewards for achievements are dyes and titles. Dyes are already account wide, for obvious reasons titles should not be. So if I understand you correctly, all you want is that achievements get unlocked on all characters and that you can view them in the journal + can see the points added to your alts overall achievement points?!

If this is the case I honestly think implementing this would be a total waste of ressources.

Because, as I pointed out numerous times during this thread and in the first post, I'm a completionist and I also treat each of my characters as a 'main' in terms of achievements and whatnot. Like I said, ask someone who has spent weeks fishing if they'll repeat the process, or someone who has farmed a collectible for over a day whether they want to do it all over again.... and again... and again.

Um, what reasons are these exactly? By that logic dyes shouldn't be account wide, for obvious reasons, a player should earn the dye on each character. No, you don't understand at all.. CERTAIN achievements which are unlocked once will be unlocked on each new character upon creation.. That includes: the titles, dyes and achievement points (I don't think the achievements I have in mind actually yield titles anyway, well, fishing aside).

I felt the same about reducing the lag in PvP as a PvE based individual, but hey, apparently people like to PvP .

Mordria

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Again, terrible idea. That is all.

The_Sadist

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Mordria wrote: »

Again, terrible idea. That is all.

Again, terrible post. That is all.

I can respect your stance on the topic at hand and if you have anything more to add outside of baity +1 posts I'm all ears, well, eyes.

Enodoc

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Now that we are way down the line since my last post here, I thought I'd have another look.
I agree that certain achievements could be shared, as long as all dyes remain shared and no titles can be shared.

Shared: Character, Collectibles, Alliance War (General), Crafting, Dark Anchors, Dungeons (General), Exploration (General), Fishing, Skyshards.

Not Shared: Alliance War (Rank), Dungeons (Trials, PDs, GDs, VDs), Exploration (AD, DC, EP, CY, CH), Quests.

THammer

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I don't want to have to do the same achievements over and over.

ThumbShanks

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In TS Sadist said that there is a middle ground, and a account wide option would be welcomed while also allowing character only would be a welcomed option for completionism on the character for those that want to do that.

The_Sadist

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ThumbShanks wrote: »

In TS Sadist said that there is a middle ground, and a account wide option would be welcomed while also allowing character only would be a welcomed option for completionism on the character for those that want to do that.

Ignore this, Kitty is being... himself and shouldn't be taken seriously .

ThumbShanks

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Haha ok but you did agree with me, maybe it was to get me to shut up since I was not gonna drop the middle ground approach. I will say my idea isn't perfect, but I will also say that ZoS can find a perfect middle ground to appease the completionists, and the non completionists.

Till then, I heard what I heard and I am right when I am right and you're right when you're right, and that makes us both in the right on this. Right?

Mordria

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The_Sadist wrote: »

Mordria wrote: »

Again, terrible idea. That is all.

Again, terrible post. That is all.

I can respect your stance on the topic at hand and if you have anything more to add outside of baity +1 posts I'm all ears, well, eyes.

Sure, I was having fun with you. Only because you do seem obsessed about your agenda to get this into the game. You've been raising this thread from the dead since June 2014.

If they added account wide achievements it would take away from my game play and many others that like to play their alts. Don't make the rest of us suffer just because you want the easy road.

Ouranos

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In regards to classes: If you have earned the achievement once, you have earned it, period. You shouldn't need to re-earn it every time you roll that character. You've already proven capable.

In regards to skyshards: Obviously we're talking about achievements--a purely cosmetic gameplay element--and not skyshard points or skill points. Retaining the achievements for these is not a gameplay problem. The only issue is that it might make tracking which shards you need on other characters impossible, but that depends on how it is done. You can just have the achievement awarded but when logged in to a character that doesn't have those shards the progress shows incomplete.

It feels sloppy to me to have the achievement pop back up in the UI every time I reroll, and I really don't see any problems with this change given how it's been done in other MMOs I've played.

The_Sadist

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Mordria wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

Mordria wrote: »

Again, terrible idea. That is all.

Again, terrible post. That is all.

I can respect your stance on the topic at hand and if you have anything more to add outside of baity +1 posts I'm all ears, well, eyes.

Sure, I was having fun with you. Only because you do seem obsessed about your agenda to get this into the game. You've been raising this thread from the dead since June 2014.

If they added account wide achievements it would take away from my game play and many others that like to play their alts. Don't make the rest of us suffer just because you want the easy road.

I suppose fun is subjective and whatnot and I guess I'm a bit obsessed with my own idea, but that's purely because I think it's a good one which would ultimately be beneficial. Until I'm told by a Dev that a shared / account wide achievement system won't actually happen I'll periodically bump this thread in the hopes of sparking conversation, argument and to see how the poll results go.

Once again, only three or four of the current achievement categories would be subject to change.. as pointed out multiple times throughout the thread. Feel free to spend months fishing, farming collectibles and maxing professions on each character, but don't make the rest of us suffer because you want a pointless system which, let's face it, you won't actually use. How many of your characters have all the collectible achievements unlocked? What about fishing?

Mordria

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How exactly would this work for console players? Say, for a family of 5 that all want to play ESO? You really think they are going to pay for 3-5 accounts on Xbox? I seriously doubt it. More than likely they will have 1 account and play separate characters. How annoying is it going to be for them to have a shared bank, and shared achievements?

Sacadon

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I prefer the challenge of having each character unlock each individual PvE related achievement as my characters are built and function differently.

However, I think that the alliance points, achievements tied to them and passives need specific attention separate from the PvE ones. Not just because of the issues in how they are currently designed, but also to ensure that the significant time and effort invested by others is preserved and rewarded in any changes to them.

The_Sadist

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Mordria wrote: »

How exactly would this work for consoles players? Say, for a family of 5 that all want to play ESO? You really think they are going to pay for 3-5 accounts on Xbox? I seriously doubt it. More than likely they will have 1 account and play separate characters. How annoying is it going to be for them to have a shared bank, and shared achievements?

If you think that the console version of the game is going to be exactly like the PC / Mac version, you've got another thing coming (I'm hopeful, but my expectations are super low at this point). Furthermore, I know most consoles have an achievement system.. which is typically tied to the console itself. I'm quite indifferent to console players (I do feel sorry of them though, so very delayed!) and the same principle stands, an individual who uses one account is still subject to the current achievement system and this change could potentially save a degree of sanity. Moreover, you're not meant to share accounts, so if a family decides to go about sharing accounts I'm sure sharing some aspects of an achievement system would be worth saving that extra $30. That being said, the mental image of a family of 5 playing ESO on a console is a relatively amusing thought, thanks for that.

The_Sadist

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Oh look, he's doing it again.

So I've the reached the point on my main where I'm farming my last few collectibles (seriously, half of the ones I need seem to be elusive to EP), actually actively PvPing (gag) and attempting to fish (keyword, attempting) for the last few achievements I need outside of ones which require other decent players. It has been a semi-enjoyable process, but I can't say it's one I wish to repeat.. 3 more times. I feel this thread needs some more input, perhaps a Dev could either crush my hopes and dreams or provide some insight if a shared achievement system could actually be a possibility.

Keepercraft

It will be good option, to see in other player done achievements and compeer them with my achievements. Just like WoW and Steam.

I think it will be a good option, to add character achievements and account achievements.
Account achievements will be the sum of all our account characters.

Arundo

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Then it doesnt matter which character I play I still can progress where I left off. Now i'm kind of forced to one char as I dont want to do everything again for a second time. So yes please make achievements accountwide instead of per character.

Nhoxxx

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So basically the thread is about 10 months old, got about 60% of the ppl who want an account wide achievement system, and yet ...
Is there anything from ZOS telling us they are working on it ? (or did I miss some news about it ?)

sheggorathb16_ESO

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Nice bit of necroposting... But not as far as I know... and I've been thinking all along the achievements should be synced, which is why I'm replying. Dyes are account wide anyway, I wouldnt mind too much if they kept titles to the individual character who earned it, but most like the collecting ones are a pain to keep doing... Besides they could just tag on the achi which character did it, that shouldnt be too much trouble. Then you'd know who or what to give the credit to, end of credit problems.

The_Sadist

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Nhoxxx wrote: »

So basically the thread is about 10 months old, got about 60% of the ppl who want an account wide achievement system, and yet ...
Is there anything from ZOS telling us they are working on it ? (or did I miss some news about it ?)

No news, no updates and no official response!

I tend to periodically bump this thread anyway for more input and conversation, but I'm currently on a slight hiatus due to real life and the lack of content.

Anyways, I still want this.. one day .

Mettaricana

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brandon wrote: »

Like I said in the other thread. It is a feeling of accomplishment. Also as @I55UE5 said in the other thread being able to show off what I did with individual classes.

but other than you no one can see your achievement points so kinda tooting your own horn that no one else can hear. i dont feel like redoing 10million damage in a dungeon or reharvesting a billion nodes. do you like regetting the same trophy 30 times on xbox or playstation?

Heromofo

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Good idea

Vhalan53

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I'm for it but only because of the bleakrock rescue mission i goofed up on...

Kendaric

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No, my characters are separate entities and if I absolutely must have an achievement I work for it on each character.

Acrolas

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Trophies! Trophies for everybody! You get a trophy, you get a trophy, that one-eyed Sload janitor tidying up Sheogorath's cheese penthouse gets a trophy! Meaningless achievement!

Being able to dye lowbie characters is already a huge shared perk. And achievements act as a guidance system so you know where each character has been and still needs to go. That road map is far more valuable than the points and dyes they provide.

The_Sadist

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Kendaric wrote: »

No, my characters are separate entities and if I absolutely must have an achievement I work for it on each character.

So you don't use the bank, don't craft for alts and don't use dyes you haven't 'unlocked' on each character? Because in essence that's what a separate entity is.. And I've yet to find someone who does exactly that.

Acrolas wrote: »

Trophies! Trophies for everybody! You get a trophy, you get a trophy, that one-eyed Sload janitor tidying up Sheogorath's cheese penthouse gets a trophy! Meaningless achievement!

Being able to dye lowbie characters is already a huge shared perk. And achievements act as a guidance system so you know where each character has been and still needs to go. That road map is far more valuable than the points and dyes they provide.

Trophies =/= achievements, but I think I understand what you're trying to say.

I agree, but I feel, like the dye system, achievements should extend to other characters on the same account.. But like I said, only certain achievements will be shared (fishing, collectibles, crafting, some aspects of the 'character' category, perhaps the newer achievements surrounding the thieving system as well, but who knows), all of which have no baring on the map or the intended 'guidance system'.

I_killed_Vivec

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The_Sadist wrote: »

So you don't use the bank, don't craft for alts and don't use dyes you haven't 'unlocked' on each character? Because in essence that's what a separate entity is.. And I've yet to find someone who does exactly that.

The bank is different - it's sharing things between friends. It's not sharing achievements - I can give you a thing, I can't give you an achievement because you haven't done it.

My main doesn't dye items for my lower characters - they aren't quite that vain

The_Sadist wrote: »

I feel, like the dye system, achievements should extend to other characters on the same account.. But like I said, only certain achievements will be shared (fishing, collectibles, crafting, some aspects of the 'character' category, perhaps the newer achievements surrounding the thieving system as well, but who knows), all of which have no baring on the map or the intended 'guidance system'.

It doesn't make sense to me that characters should share any achievements (I'm not saying that it doesn't make sense, just not to my way of thinking).

And it doesn't make sense to me that "some" should be shared when others shouldn't.

Fishing is an example - one character achieving master angler has to visit ALL zones, which is not possible without progression, hence the achievement. The achievement is lessened if multiple characters are used to fish in non-VR zones.

Crafting - it seems logical that only the character that can do the crafting has the achievement.

Skyshards, exploration, dolmens, delves... how does it make sense for a character to have these "awards" if it hasn't been there and done that?

As I said, it doesn't make sense to me, but then maybe I have a peculiar take on achievements, awards and dyes - the only dye I've ever used is Coldharbour Ash Black.