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THERE IS NO WAY 2 PEOPLE (vamps) SHOULD BE ABLE TO WIPE OUT AN ENTIRE ZERG

  • Inzababa
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    like I said, emperor is not the main issue here, nice post though Zaky
    Resistance is FUtilez
    Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.
    Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.

    Resistance is FUtilez
  • ElSlayer
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    ZakyUchiha wrote: »
    I'm just going to post the top comment from the vid, since you guys do not understand what's happening and it is pretty accurate.

    [ . . .]

    It is totally broken mechanic exploiting mist form+ bat swarm
    @ZakyUchiha, thanks for such detailed explaination. Now I get it.

    So there are two problems:
    1) Recieving healing while being in Mist Form.
    2) Stackable "Ultimate cost redution" effects.

    I will report first one as a /bug.
    The second... Sadly, but I'm sure - they won't rebalance it fast.
    @d0e1ow: There is no singular thing within a game's little ecosystem that will convince you that you hate the game, hate your life, and hate everyone around you faster than the game's official forums will.

    @TaffyIX: Life is too short to get upset by a video game.
  • bob_jeko
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    crowfl56 wrote: »
    PVP = Griefers period, its the way they luv to play, its their whole, game. Yes it ruins the game for others, but its the way they enjoy the game. They don't play the PVE side, they will use any and all exploits they find, that is PVP. No one will ever change that.

    Sir, are you by any chance a nr.2?
  • Mikelius
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    Agree with topic starter. This vampire mechanic is completely unbalanced and broken.
    Its very disappointing to see this vampires just farm AP on other players.
  • Inzababa
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    this is really starting to be game breaking now, ESO plz do something about this
    Resistance is FUtilez
    Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.
    Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.

    Resistance is FUtilez
  • Bonzi
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    Yeah, it's so awesome that one player can stop the whole zergs just standing there and holding block button. GJ...more useless patches for everything else but skills....gj there really good job, have 10 maintenance all you wan't, just freaking nerf this useless crap. Its getting so annoying...
  • Ragnar_Lodbrok
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    Its apparent OP needs to L2P. Silver Bolts or any flame attack will pretty much one shot vamps
  • Stoda
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    i say one thing FIREDAMGE! :P
  • Tweek
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    crowfl56 wrote: »
    PVP = Griefers period, its the way they luv to play, its their whole, game. Yes it ruins the game for others, but its the way they enjoy the game. They don't play the PVE side, they will use any and all exploits they find, that is PVP. No one will ever change that.

    No ones forcing you to play PvP in this game, and personally if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

    PvP is the way of ALL good mmos and an mmo without PvP never really does well for this reason. The only reason I play MMOs(and have beem for 14+ years) is because of PvP.

    EDIT: Also if you don't like PvP and just do PvE.....go play Skyrim. Problem solved.
    Edited by Tweek on April 21, 2014 6:23PM
  • Tweek
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    crowfl56 wrote: »
    PVP = Griefers period, its the way they luv to play, its their whole, game. Yes it ruins the game for others, but its the way they enjoy the game. They don't play the PVE side, they will use any and all exploits they find, that is PVP. No one will ever change that.

    PVP is the work of the devil I tell you! Evil criminal scum of society gathered to torture one another and enjoy making others' lives miserable! Yea! You never see PvPers in PVE - they stay away from it because they cannot satisfy their sadistic desires there. It's really sad, what can you say.

    LOL....you guys......hating on the one thing that every mmo should have.

    IMO this game needs world PvP so I can go gank noob level 20's in AD leveling their alts.
  • Inzababa
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    Its apparent OP needs to L2P. Silver Bolts or any flame attack will pretty much one shot vamps

    the op is a zerg of 50 people getting pwned by one player, use your brain a little thanks..

    it's like people saying "oh but vamps are sensitive to fire, just nuke him with fire"

    you have no idea what the hell we're talking about.

    This is Cyrodiil pvp where one man takes down 50, anyone thinking that isn't broken needs his brain checked.
    Resistance is FUtilez
    Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.
    Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.

    Resistance is FUtilez
  • Tweek
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    The game will be balanced out....in my opinion vamps aren't OP and if you think they are....spec in the fighters guild tree. Get silver bolts or something and use fire spells, or add fire damage to your weapon.....like if your a dragonknight use ardent flame....stop whining over game mechanics because your character cannot beat the theirs the game is broken.....LOL
  • Ragnar_Lodbrok
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    First I doubt it was 50. And second did not one of them have fire attacks or silver bolts? See its a L2P issue
    Edited by Ragnar_Lodbrok on April 21, 2014 6:29PM
  • Inzababa
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    Tweek wrote: »
    The game will be balanced out....in my opinion vamps aren't OP and if you think they are....spec in the fighters guild tree. Get silver bolts or something and use fire spells, or add fire damage to your weapon.....like if your a dragonknight use ardent flame....stop whining over game mechanics because your character cannot beat the theirs the game is broken.....LOL


    You're not getting me.

    50 PEOPLE attacking ONE GUY and you don't think there's a few dragon knights in there or people using fire?

    now's the moment where we find out how bad you're trolling or xxx
    Resistance is FUtilez
    Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.
    Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value.

    Resistance is FUtilez
  • Tweek
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    Inzababa wrote: »
    Its apparent OP needs to L2P. Silver Bolts or any flame attack will pretty much one shot vamps

    the op is a zerg of 50 people getting pwned by one player, use your brain a little thanks..

    it's like people saying "oh but vamps are sensitive to fire, just nuke him with fire"

    you have no idea what the hell we're talking about.

    This is Cyrodiil pvp where one man takes down 50, anyone thinking that isn't broken needs his brain checked.

    It isn't broken....all 50 of you need to L2P.
  • starkerealm
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    Tweek wrote: »
    The game will be balanced out....in my opinion vamps aren't OP and if you think they are....spec in the fighters guild tree. Get silver bolts or something and use fire spells, or add fire damage to your weapon.....like if your a dragonknight use ardent flame....stop whining over game mechanics because your character cannot beat the theirs the game is broken.....LOL

    Hmm... one sec, sorry, I need to borrow this:
    ZakyUchiha wrote: »
    I'm just going to post the top comment from the vid, since you guys do not understand what's happening and it is pretty accurate.


    You lot who are saying that Emperors are supposed to be strong dont really get what is going on here
    What you see in this video is the guy playing the current empress exploiting unintended mechanic that only works if a player meets certain requirements:
    1) being a stage 4 vampire (60% spell cost reduction affecting ultimate ability!)
    2) having a morphed vampiric self-healing ultimate ability
    3) being a sorc or a dragon knight ( ultimate cost reduction passives)
    4) having a specific armor set that also reduce ultimate cost
    5) having a mist form
    6) being an emperor

    Now what is happening actually?
    In short, if a player meets these requirements he can have ultimate ability cost reduced to 4 , even 0 in some cases. What does it mean? It means he can spam extremely strong self healing ability INDEFINITELY doing huge amount of damage
    What;s worse. He can turn into a mist form that has 75% damage reduction AND receive ultimate self healing from the bat swarm which is not supposed to happen based on how the mist form works. A vampire in a mist form CANT get healing. BUT they missed that it doesn't affect ultimate ability bat swarm.
    The thing is. The more people around the empress the more invulnerable she is.
    We managed to kill her one time when she was alone avoiding being close to her , keeping distance and it took 50+ players. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if she is with her own group.
    It is totally broken mechanic exploiting mist form+ bat swarm

    Yeah... that's kinda what I'd call broken. Not easily broken like, say, Skyrim, but broken, none the less.
  • Tweek
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    First I doubt it was 50. And second did not one of them have fire attacks or silver bolts? See its a L2P issue

    This.
  • Pang
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    lol well if the Zerg is getting owned then i don't see what the issue is. Working as intended IMO. Smarter and organized play should ALWAYS trump mindless zergs.

    As others said use Silver Bolts and fire attacks on Vamps. Don't clump up so much spread out. Basically play smarter.

    This is exactly whats wrong with this generation of gamers. Instead of trying to figure out a counter and overcome something that is difficult we run to the forums to cry on the Devs shoulder and hope they make the game easier and take away mechanics that reward smart play. Its no wonder there hasn't been an MMO game since WoW that has had lots of success this generation doesn't allow games to be good they just cry until the Dev ruins their own games.
    Edited by Pang on April 21, 2014 6:37PM
  • Ragnar_Lodbrok
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    Tweek wrote: »
    Inzababa wrote: »
    Its apparent OP needs to L2P. Silver Bolts or any flame attack will pretty much one shot vamps

    the op is a zerg of 50 people getting pwned by one player, use your brain a little thanks..

    it's like people saying "oh but vamps are sensitive to fire, just nuke him with fire"

    you have no idea what the hell we're talking about.

    This is Cyrodiil pvp where one man takes down 50, anyone thinking that isn't broken needs his brain checked.

    It isn't broken....all 50 of you need to L2P.

    Agreed
  • Tweek
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    Tweek wrote: »
    The game will be balanced out....in my opinion vamps aren't OP and if you think they are....spec in the fighters guild tree. Get silver bolts or something and use fire spells, or add fire damage to your weapon.....like if your a dragonknight use ardent flame....stop whining over game mechanics because your character cannot beat the theirs the game is broken.....LOL

    Hmm... one sec, sorry, I need to borrow this:
    ZakyUchiha wrote: »
    I'm just going to post the top comment from the vid, since you guys do not understand what's happening and it is pretty accurate.


    You lot who are saying that Emperors are supposed to be strong dont really get what is going on here
    What you see in this video is the guy playing the current empress exploiting unintended mechanic that only works if a player meets certain requirements:
    1) being a stage 4 vampire (60% spell cost reduction affecting ultimate ability!)
    2) having a morphed vampiric self-healing ultimate ability
    3) being a sorc or a dragon knight ( ultimate cost reduction passives)
    4) having a specific armor set that also reduce ultimate cost
    5) having a mist form
    6) being an emperor

    Now what is happening actually?
    In short, if a player meets these requirements he can have ultimate ability cost reduced to 4 , even 0 in some cases. What does it mean? It means he can spam extremely strong self healing ability INDEFINITELY doing huge amount of damage
    What;s worse. He can turn into a mist form that has 75% damage reduction AND receive ultimate self healing from the bat swarm which is not supposed to happen based on how the mist form works. A vampire in a mist form CANT get healing. BUT they missed that it doesn't affect ultimate ability bat swarm.
    The thing is. The more people around the empress the more invulnerable she is.
    We managed to kill her one time when she was alone avoiding being close to her , keeping distance and it took 50+ players. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if she is with her own group.
    It is totally broken mechanic exploiting mist form+ bat swarm

    Yeah... that's kinda what I'd call broken. Not easily broken like, say, Skyrim, but broken, none the less.

    1. Skyrim isn't broken

    2. I'm doing fine in PvP and have to say NOTHING I have encountered thus far has led me to believe anything is broken.

    IMO vamps are under-powered cause of their 75% health regen reduction and 50% weakness to fire.

    Look at the werewolf spec tree...LOL.......or better yet....wanna see "broken"....as you call it.....look at how OP the fighters guild tree line is against both werewolves and vampires.

    IMO nothing is broken and this is just badkids raging cause they can't kill anyone in PvP cause their builds suck.

    If you need lessons send me a message via PM on these forums and I will fix your build so you can kill other players and they can come into here and rage about how OP you are.

    Then your build will be nerfed and the cycle repeats......welcome to MMOs.....you really must be new here.
    Edited by Tweek on April 21, 2014 6:37PM
  • Tweek
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    Tweek wrote: »
    The game will be balanced out....in my opinion vamps aren't OP and if you think they are....spec in the fighters guild tree. Get silver bolts or something and use fire spells, or add fire damage to your weapon.....like if your a dragonknight use ardent flame....stop whining over game mechanics because your character cannot beat the theirs the game is broken.....LOL

    Hmm... one sec, sorry, I need to borrow this:
    ZakyUchiha wrote: »
    I'm just going to post the top comment from the vid, since you guys do not understand what's happening and it is pretty accurate.


    You lot who are saying that Emperors are supposed to be strong dont really get what is going on here
    What you see in this video is the guy playing the current empress exploiting unintended mechanic that only works if a player meets certain requirements:
    1) being a stage 4 vampire (60% spell cost reduction affecting ultimate ability!)
    2) having a morphed vampiric self-healing ultimate ability
    3) being a sorc or a dragon knight ( ultimate cost reduction passives)
    4) having a specific armor set that also reduce ultimate cost
    5) having a mist form
    6) being an emperor

    Now what is happening actually?
    In short, if a player meets these requirements he can have ultimate ability cost reduced to 4 , even 0 in some cases. What does it mean? It means he can spam extremely strong self healing ability INDEFINITELY doing huge amount of damage
    What;s worse. He can turn into a mist form that has 75% damage reduction AND receive ultimate self healing from the bat swarm which is not supposed to happen based on how the mist form works. A vampire in a mist form CANT get healing. BUT they missed that it doesn't affect ultimate ability bat swarm.
    The thing is. The more people around the empress the more invulnerable she is.
    We managed to kill her one time when she was alone avoiding being close to her , keeping distance and it took 50+ players. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if she is with her own group.
    It is totally broken mechanic exploiting mist form+ bat swarm

    Yeah... that's kinda what I'd call broken. Not easily broken like, say, Skyrim, but broken, none the less.

    Also would like to add.....I'm vampire speced in the fighter guild tree line to kill other vampires and werewolfs and I kill them all in about 3 seconds.......

    PS......mist form is bad and I don't use it. It sucks.
  • starkerealm
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    Tweek wrote: »
    1. Skyrim isn't broken

    I'm sorry, I got exactly this far before you had me in stitches. Next thing you'll be saying Morrowind isn't broken.

    In fairness, skills that can break Skyrim, by themselves. Enchanting, Alchemy, Conjuration, Destruction, Heavy Armor, Sneak, Speech, Smithing, Illusion, and (I'm told) Restoration. (Though, I don't know what the issue with restoration is, exactly, unless it ties back to the Fortify Restoration exploit in Alchemy.) Alteration is a maybe.

    And, if that wasn't enough fun for you, a lot of these are symbiotic. The Alchemy issues aren't too bad until you start feeding it into the Enchanting system and everything goes off the rails.
    Edited by starkerealm on April 21, 2014 6:54PM
  • Awesometographer
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    If they're draining your HP - don't stand close to them.

    Stand back, and hit them with fire and silver bolts - done.
  • eariel
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    Kinda weird, watch this.

    http://youtu.be/Uq2-Zl1PETM
  • starkerealm
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    Tweek wrote: »
    Tweek wrote: »
    The game will be balanced out....in my opinion vamps aren't OP and if you think they are....spec in the fighters guild tree. Get silver bolts or something and use fire spells, or add fire damage to your weapon.....like if your a dragonknight use ardent flame....stop whining over game mechanics because your character cannot beat the theirs the game is broken.....LOL

    Hmm... one sec, sorry, I need to borrow this:
    ZakyUchiha wrote: »
    I'm just going to post the top comment from the vid, since you guys do not understand what's happening and it is pretty accurate.


    You lot who are saying that Emperors are supposed to be strong dont really get what is going on here
    What you see in this video is the guy playing the current empress exploiting unintended mechanic that only works if a player meets certain requirements:
    1) being a stage 4 vampire (60% spell cost reduction affecting ultimate ability!)
    2) having a morphed vampiric self-healing ultimate ability
    3) being a sorc or a dragon knight ( ultimate cost reduction passives)
    4) having a specific armor set that also reduce ultimate cost
    5) having a mist form
    6) being an emperor

    Now what is happening actually?
    In short, if a player meets these requirements he can have ultimate ability cost reduced to 4 , even 0 in some cases. What does it mean? It means he can spam extremely strong self healing ability INDEFINITELY doing huge amount of damage
    What;s worse. He can turn into a mist form that has 75% damage reduction AND receive ultimate self healing from the bat swarm which is not supposed to happen based on how the mist form works. A vampire in a mist form CANT get healing. BUT they missed that it doesn't affect ultimate ability bat swarm.
    The thing is. The more people around the empress the more invulnerable she is.
    We managed to kill her one time when she was alone avoiding being close to her , keeping distance and it took 50+ players. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if she is with her own group.
    It is totally broken mechanic exploiting mist form+ bat swarm

    Yeah... that's kinda what I'd call broken. Not easily broken like, say, Skyrim, but broken, none the less.

    Also would like to add.....I'm vampire speced in the fighter guild tree line to kill other vampires and werewolfs and I kill them all in about 3 seconds.......

    PS......mist form is bad and I don't use it. It sucks.

    The issue isn't that mist form is good. The issue is creating a situation where you have a 4 point ultimate that results in massive healing which also works off enemies in the immediate vicinity.

    Watch the Youtube video, it's a vampire emperor getting pounded on, simultaniously, by about 20-30 players and not taking any damage from it. That, is broken.
  • Tweek
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    Tweek wrote: »
    Tweek wrote: »
    The game will be balanced out....in my opinion vamps aren't OP and if you think they are....spec in the fighters guild tree. Get silver bolts or something and use fire spells, or add fire damage to your weapon.....like if your a dragonknight use ardent flame....stop whining over game mechanics because your character cannot beat the theirs the game is broken.....LOL

    Hmm... one sec, sorry, I need to borrow this:
    ZakyUchiha wrote: »
    I'm just going to post the top comment from the vid, since you guys do not understand what's happening and it is pretty accurate.


    You lot who are saying that Emperors are supposed to be strong dont really get what is going on here
    What you see in this video is the guy playing the current empress exploiting unintended mechanic that only works if a player meets certain requirements:
    1) being a stage 4 vampire (60% spell cost reduction affecting ultimate ability!)
    2) having a morphed vampiric self-healing ultimate ability
    3) being a sorc or a dragon knight ( ultimate cost reduction passives)
    4) having a specific armor set that also reduce ultimate cost
    5) having a mist form
    6) being an emperor

    Now what is happening actually?
    In short, if a player meets these requirements he can have ultimate ability cost reduced to 4 , even 0 in some cases. What does it mean? It means he can spam extremely strong self healing ability INDEFINITELY doing huge amount of damage
    What;s worse. He can turn into a mist form that has 75% damage reduction AND receive ultimate self healing from the bat swarm which is not supposed to happen based on how the mist form works. A vampire in a mist form CANT get healing. BUT they missed that it doesn't affect ultimate ability bat swarm.
    The thing is. The more people around the empress the more invulnerable she is.
    We managed to kill her one time when she was alone avoiding being close to her , keeping distance and it took 50+ players. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if she is with her own group.
    It is totally broken mechanic exploiting mist form+ bat swarm

    Yeah... that's kinda what I'd call broken. Not easily broken like, say, Skyrim, but broken, none the less.

    Also would like to add.....I'm vampire speced in the fighter guild tree line to kill other vampires and werewolfs and I kill them all in about 3 seconds.......

    PS......mist form is bad and I don't use it. It sucks.

    The issue isn't that mist form is good. The issue is creating a situation where you have a 4 point ultimate that results in massive healing which also works off enemies in the immediate vicinity.

    Watch the Youtube video, it's a vampire emperor getting pounded on, simultaniously, by about 20-30 players and not taking any damage from it. That, is broken.

    Hey nice strawman argument but you fail.

    That video is of an EMPEROR

    BEING A VAMPIRE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AS UNDEATH KICK IN AFTER 50% HEALTH DAMAGE....MEANIGN.

    BEING A VAMPIRE HAD NO EFFECT FOR THIS EMPEROR IN THIS VIDEO AT ALL.

    I NEVER SEEN THEM USE AN ACTIVE VAMP ABILITY THE ENTIRE VIDEO AND THE PASSIVES FOR VAMPIRE WOULD NOT HELP HERE.

    The player was not a vampire.
    Edited by Tweek on April 21, 2014 6:55PM
  • CNDTrae
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    ITS AN EMPEROR! That has nothing to do with a vampire ffs. I was playing with a DK emp and he could take out huge zergs by himself.

    I played against a Sorc emp, and it *** zergs.

    Its just emperor. Get over it. There is one per server. The easy counter to it is to dethrone them.
  • Tweek
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    Tweek wrote: »
    1. Skyrim isn't broken

    I'm sorry, I got exactly this far before you had me in stitches. Next thing you'll be saying Morrowind isn't broken.

    In fairness, skills that can break Skyrim, by themselves. Enchanting, Alchemy, Conjuration, Destruction, Heavy Armor, Sneak, Speech, Smithing, Illusion, and (I'm told) Restoration. (Though, I don't know what the issue with restoration is, exactly, unless it ties back to the Fortify Restoration exploit in Alchemy.) Alteration is a maybe.

    And, if that wasn't enough fun for you, a lot of these are symbiotic. The Alchemy issues aren't too bad until you start feeding it into the Enchanting system and everything goes off the rails.



    Go ahead and disregard what I say but if anything they will be making vamps stronger....heard this from a buddy. The emperor is going to be nerfed a bit. I also think they're going to nerf templars.
    Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on April 21, 2014 7:11PM
  • Tipsy
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    I disagree, zerging is something that should be punished real hard,like 100x damage of siege attacks,lets them be devoured by vampires for all i care..

    Zerging is the reason I hated pvp in guildwars2..its when players have absolutely no tactical plan and cowardly conspire to overcome the enemy by the numbers of players present.
  • starkerealm
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    Tweek wrote: »
    Tweek wrote: »
    Tweek wrote: »
    The game will be balanced out....in my opinion vamps aren't OP and if you think they are....spec in the fighters guild tree. Get silver bolts or something and use fire spells, or add fire damage to your weapon.....like if your a dragonknight use ardent flame....stop whining over game mechanics because your character cannot beat the theirs the game is broken.....LOL

    Hmm... one sec, sorry, I need to borrow this:
    ZakyUchiha wrote: »
    I'm just going to post the top comment from the vid, since you guys do not understand what's happening and it is pretty accurate.


    You lot who are saying that Emperors are supposed to be strong dont really get what is going on here
    What you see in this video is the guy playing the current empress exploiting unintended mechanic that only works if a player meets certain requirements:
    1) being a stage 4 vampire (60% spell cost reduction affecting ultimate ability!)
    2) having a morphed vampiric self-healing ultimate ability
    3) being a sorc or a dragon knight ( ultimate cost reduction passives)
    4) having a specific armor set that also reduce ultimate cost
    5) having a mist form
    6) being an emperor

    Now what is happening actually?
    In short, if a player meets these requirements he can have ultimate ability cost reduced to 4 , even 0 in some cases. What does it mean? It means he can spam extremely strong self healing ability INDEFINITELY doing huge amount of damage
    What;s worse. He can turn into a mist form that has 75% damage reduction AND receive ultimate self healing from the bat swarm which is not supposed to happen based on how the mist form works. A vampire in a mist form CANT get healing. BUT they missed that it doesn't affect ultimate ability bat swarm.
    The thing is. The more people around the empress the more invulnerable she is.
    We managed to kill her one time when she was alone avoiding being close to her , keeping distance and it took 50+ players. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if she is with her own group.
    It is totally broken mechanic exploiting mist form+ bat swarm

    Yeah... that's kinda what I'd call broken. Not easily broken like, say, Skyrim, but broken, none the less.

    Also would like to add.....I'm vampire speced in the fighter guild tree line to kill other vampires and werewolfs and I kill them all in about 3 seconds.......

    PS......mist form is bad and I don't use it. It sucks.

    The issue isn't that mist form is good. The issue is creating a situation where you have a 4 point ultimate that results in massive healing which also works off enemies in the immediate vicinity.

    Watch the Youtube video, it's a vampire emperor getting pounded on, simultaniously, by about 20-30 players and not taking any damage from it. That, is broken.

    Hey nice strawman argument but you fail.

    That video is of an EMPEROR

    BEING A VAMPIRE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AS UNDEATH KICK IN AFTER 50% HEALTH DAMAGE....MEANIGN.

    BEING A VAMPIRE HAD NO EFFECT FOR THIS EMPEROR IN THIS VIDEO AT ALL.

    I NEVER SEEN THEM USE AN ACTIVE VAMP ABILITY THE ENTIRE VIDEO AND THE PASSIVES FOR VAMPIRE WOULD NOT HELP HERE.

    The player was not a vampire.

    A Stage 4 vampire receives a 60% cost discount on spells, including their ultimate. It's a critical part of the system to break the game.
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