THERE IS NO WAY 2 PEOPLE (vamps) SHOULD BE ABLE TO WIPE OUT AN ENTIRE ZERG

AryaWythers

Carde wrote: »

Nobody knows how to use fire ballistas or anything?

I love seeing the huge damage numbers from Vamps

LareliRose

I'm not calling for a Vamp nerf. I'm calling for Werewolves to be elevated to the same stature as Vamps.

patrikblb16_ESO

Very bad idea to implement this in a MMO-game.

gladen5rwb17_ESO

skinraider wrote: »

you all cry like 5 year old girls I just lvled and only PVP for my daily 20 kills for lvl 1-50 then I PVP at VR1 and own everyone....... sorry everyone think they can PVP without the lvls you just stupid every PVP game is base on lvls if you don't do the work you cant PVP ( I also take out lame nightblade vamps vr10 1 on 1 they easy kills ) im a DK vr4 tank WW I also can go into 20 zergs by my self and get 3-5 kills before dieing so go LVL and stop being lazy nubs

Just, stop typing.

limeli8

Any v10 dk or Sorc or NB can walk into a zerg of low levels and wipe them all vamp or no. Also using ultimates! Yes the cost reduction on ult needs a fix and ability to get heals in mist form as well, but everything else is fine the way it is. Yes i am a vampire but most of the time i don't even have any vamp abilities slotted except mist form that i use to move around cause being stuck in combat and not being able to mount sucks. I've used the bat swarm and its good as long as people are dumb, if they are not i just die or have to run when they scatter and ultimate gets wasted. Lol a Sorc can use "crit surge/power overload" that does the exact same thing the bat swarm does except in a huge cone and its a toggle so if people run he can just turn it off catch up to them click it back on and turn them to ash.

Dk will just use talons/strandard/fire ring and heal with green dragon blood.

NB will pop a veil of blades and ether aoe in some way or just sit in it and kill people as they go in to fight him like dumb lemmings.

Anyways isn't being a hero always about being one against many? To fight against the odds and win or die with glory? hasn't anyone watched 300? I mean really its like i'm seeing here an entire Persian horde complain about Spartans being OP lol
Is your idea of fun to be an insignificant grunt that means nothing by himself and is unable to to make any real difference?
Instead of going omg OP nerf so me and my lvl 10 buddies can face roll this! Try to think ahead and realize that with effort you can be as strong or stronger and next time it might be you that the tide of enemy forces will break upon! And people will mention your name when they talk about how their whole group was defeated(lol and probably complain about you being OP).
I'll be honest though biggest issue isnt even the broken mechanics of sertain things in the game its the level/skill difference. A vr10 will wipe 30 low levels but 2-3 vr5+ will likely kill him.

Hexi

People who wish to play a game where everyone follows the same rules will complain until the devs fix abilities that are functioning incorrectly.

Look muppets, this thread is not about Vampires being OP, because they aren't. What's OP is the BUGS that make Vampires do things that were never INTEDED. So how bout you learn to read before you make *** posts.

And before the typical hyperbolic gargabe comes flying, my character is a Vampire as well and I make a conscious CHOICE not to abuse the bugs because:

A ) I have ethics.
B ) Playing a game is less than pointless if the only way you can win is by abusing oversights/cheating.

AryaWythers

I will never learn to read...so good day sir

But people do need to carry siege with them...fire ballistas,meatbag catas, and firepot catas are a must for me

FayaSDL

On a side note, i havent seen a complain post about the Vamp group which took a scroll, fended of 50 people because the scroll carrier Vamp was using mist form w/o dropping the scroll and was faster then a full geared war horse in sprint for over half the map?
Yea i dont care for that emperor thing until i encounter it.
But beeing able to physically carry the scroll, using endless mist form and beeing faster then a max lvl horse?

Hexi

FayaSDL wrote: »

On a side note, i havent seen a complain post about the Vamp group which took a scroll, fended of 50 people because the scroll carrier Vamp was using mist form w/o dropping the scroll and was faster then a full geared war horse in sprint for over half the map?
Yea i dont care for that emperor thing until i encounter it.
But beeing able to physically carry the scroll, using endless mist form and beeing faster then a max lvl horse?

Yes, I find that silly as well but that's a topic for a thread of it's own. On a personal note, carrying the scrolls should disable ALL movement increasing effects as well as the sorc blink and any other ability that makes it simple to keep going.

And, again, this is coming from a Sorc Vampire, so there is no class envy or anything, I just find it silly.

knaveofengland

oh my cant wait to get in there have some fun

Armitas

Been reading through the thread and I've heard silver bolts get brought up quite a bit as a powerful weapon against vampires. If it procs on the 5% chance I can see it being great but when I use it outside the proc the damage seems terrible. What sort of non proc numbers are you guys seeing against vampires with silver bolts?

R0M2K

Watching those videos makes me wonder wth im rolling a NB...

AryaWythers

R0M2K wrote: »

Watching those videos makes me wonder wth im rolling a NB...

Doesn't that happen every start of an MMO then the "Thief/Stealth/Assasin" class get the Nerf bat and people go up in arms. maybe we should start a pool on how long before it happens...if it does happen that is

Aci

Hexi wrote: »

People who wish to play a game where everyone follows the same rules will complain until the devs fix abilities that are functioning incorrectly.

Look muppets, this thread is not about Vampires being OP, because they aren't. What's OP is the BUGS that make Vampires do things that were never INTEDED. So how bout you learn to read before you make *** posts.

And before the typical hyperbolic gargabe comes flying, my character is a Vampire as well and I make a conscious CHOICE not to abuse the bugs because:

A ) I have ethics.
B ) Playing a game is less than pointless if the only way you can win is by abusing oversights/cheating.

I wish more people would act like this. But! Since people exploit the hell out of things people get mad because of all the downtimes? Come one folks...! In this case there exists no official statement yet, but i would wonder if that is really working as intended and it needs to be fixed the sooner the better.

Inzababa

FayaSDL wrote: »

On a side note, i havent seen a complain post about the Vamp group which took a scroll, fended of 50 people because the scroll carrier Vamp was using mist form w/o dropping the scroll and was faster then a full geared war horse in sprint for over half the map?
Yea i dont care for that emperor thing until i encounter it.
But beeing able to physically carry the scroll, using endless mist form and beeing faster then a max lvl horse?

on the campaign where this happening and where I am playing (Dawnbreaker EU), they got all the scrolls already

ThreeEyedCrow

dbennett707cub18_ESO wrote: »

ThreeEyedCrow wrote: »

First, DK Vamps cannot reduce their ultimate cost to 4. Only a Sorc Vamp could theoretically do that.

Second the OP comes from the Emperor buffs. A non-vamp DK Emperor specced Fire Staff/Resto Staff could do the same thing to a Zerg with different skills.

Right now it is the Emperor buffs that make single players into Bosses, which I think was what they intended.

let the meta play out a bit more and people develop counters before calling for nerfs already.

Actually, its the devouring swarm spam + mist form that's giving them the sustain. But just to note, stage 4 buff on ulti almost never works, unless you just hit stage 4, in which case it will work until you zone again. The only way to get it to work again is to feed to stage 3 and wait the 1 hour 30mins ish for stage 4 to kick in again.

Indeed.

I can confirm this is true as I ported into Cyrodill at Stage 4 and the there was no 60% reduction at all. So its definitely bugged like you mention.

Haven't yet tried sitting in Cyrodill for 1.5 hours waiting to see if that works though.

You're right the mist bug should be fixed but IMO the spamming Ultis comes from Emperor buff not anything else as I have seen non-Vamp Emperor spam ultis as well.

maxilaub17_ESO

While I advocate nerfing the OP emperor/empress things I am not saying the vampire tree needs to be nerfed , which others assumed I was saying. The nerf needs to be on the stacking without limits on reducing the cost of any abilities. In other words the same way there are soft caps for things like armor, spell resist, health/stamina/magic regens, etc, there needs to be those same caps for reducing the cost of using abilities including ultimate's. That would go a long way to fixing the problem and yet keep vamp Emperor's powerful but not invincible. They have exploited the system and stacked the costs of using abilities way more than the devs realized was possible.

Thorntongue

Hrithmus wrote: »

Some people make PvP life or death. Like it's a real war. My god

That's what happens when you have no RL accomplishments to be proud of.

Drazhar14

My two cents: Put a soft cap or hard cap on ultimate cost reduction, and fix mist form so that it doesn't receive healing from using the bat swarm ultimate.

Evergreen

If you want to be a pvp god just roll a DradonKnight darkelf (racial fire resist helps a little) vampire. GreenDragonBlood morph with reflective scales combined with vampire skills mist/ultimate makes you unstoppable.

I'm not ashamed to say that my pure pvp character is this build because if the defenders win in saying that its only a l2p issue than we can safely keep being OP. I only fear that too many people will realize how overpowered this is and there will no longer be variety in pvp at some point.

dermottib14_ESO

1 emperor. who cares. I think its cool actually, like fighting Sauron in lord of the rings.

ZakyUchiha

Evergreen wrote: »

If you want to be a pvp god just roll a DradonKnight darkelf (racial fire resist helps a little) vampire. GreenDragonBlood morph with reflective scales combined with vampire skills mist/ultimate makes you unstoppable.

I'm not ashamed to say that my pure pvp character is this build because if the defenders win in saying that its only a l2p issue than we can safely keep being OP. I only fear that too many people will realize how overpowered this is and there will no longer be variety in pvp at some point.

Unfortunately this is already too late.
Most top players are either Dragonknight/Sorc combined with vampire. For an example 7/10 of the top players on EU Dawnbreaker campaign is sorc/dk and they spam vampire bat swarm all the time. This is also the campaign where the empress in the video is (btw I'm not the guy who uploaded the vid or was playing there).
They can easily wipe out zergs and they keep spamming bat swarm.

revanghost

While I agree that a player in the role of mega boss is kind of cool...

if 7/10 players are this spec and just spamming one skill, then it will get nerfed eventually, no matter who says what.

Sakiri

Tweek wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Tweek wrote: »

The game will be balanced out....in my opinion vamps aren't OP and if you think they are....spec in the fighters guild tree. Get silver bolts or something and use fire spells, or add fire damage to your weapon.....like if your a dragonknight use ardent flame....stop whining over game mechanics because your character cannot beat the theirs the game is broken.....LOL

Hmm... one sec, sorry, I need to borrow this:

ZakyUchiha wrote: »

I'm just going to post the top comment from the vid, since you guys do not understand what's happening and it is pretty accurate.


You lot who are saying that Emperors are supposed to be strong dont really get what is going on here
What you see in this video is the guy playing the current empress exploiting unintended mechanic that only works if a player meets certain requirements:
1) being a stage 4 vampire (60% spell cost reduction affecting ultimate ability!)
2) having a morphed vampiric self-healing ultimate ability
3) being a sorc or a dragon knight ( ultimate cost reduction passives)
4) having a specific armor set that also reduce ultimate cost
5) having a mist form
6) being an emperor

Now what is happening actually?
In short, if a player meets these requirements he can have ultimate ability cost reduced to 4 , even 0 in some cases. What does it mean? It means he can spam extremely strong self healing ability INDEFINITELY doing huge amount of damage
What;s worse. He can turn into a mist form that has 75% damage reduction AND receive ultimate self healing from the bat swarm which is not supposed to happen based on how the mist form works. A vampire in a mist form CANT get healing. BUT they missed that it doesn't affect ultimate ability bat swarm.
The thing is. The more people around the empress the more invulnerable she is.
We managed to kill her one time when she was alone avoiding being close to her , keeping distance and it took 50+ players. BUT it is IMPOSSIBLE to do if she is with her own group.
It is totally broken mechanic exploiting mist form+ bat swarm

Yeah... that's kinda what I'd call broken. Not easily broken like, say, Skyrim, but broken, none the less.

Also would like to add.....I'm vampire speced in the fighter guild tree line to kill other vampires and werewolfs and I kill them all in about 3 seconds.......

PS......mist form is bad and I don't use it. It sucks.

Mist form is broken if you can gain hp from the ultimate when youre not supposed to be able to heal at all seems to be the point. Fix that and this becomes a nonissue.

Xandarth79

I'm not a vamp so am not involved in the exploiting - but I hope this doesn't go the way the RIFT Voidknight did when it was bugged which sounds like it fairly close to the same problem.

With that bug every time you got healed you got pacts / every time you got pacts you got healed - so all voidknights could simply walk into entire zergs and spam their finishing move 4 or 5 times a second with their health never dropping below 90%). Pretty much everything in the game (getting healed, getting hit, attacking) got a VK a single pact which then turned on godmode.

Anyway - long story short thousands of players called for nerfs on the Voidknight - despite the fact that most of the Voidknights had themselves sent in bug reports for the problem and explained repeatedly that the bug was the problem not the current power level of the class.

Sure enough Trion were idiots and nerfed the VK into oblivion at the same time they fixed the bug and noone played one for months afterwards until they rectified the nerf.

Devs, please fix the bugs and see if play is going on as intended before starting the nerf rollercoaster.

revanghost

I pretty much guarantee that if they do nerf it, they'll nerf the entire class into the ground.

Evergreen

Xandarth79 wrote: »

I'm not a vamp so am not involved in the exploiting - but I hope this doesn't go the way the RIFT Voidknight did when it was bugged which sounds like it fairly close to the same problem.

Exploiting is probably a harsh word but I am taking advantage of in game calss/skill mechanics that are overpowered. GreenDragonBlood, reflective scales, mist&vamp ultimate are skills that just work too well together but its not an exploit to use them.

Sakiri

Evergreen wrote: »

Xandarth79 wrote: »

I'm not a vamp so am not involved in the exploiting - but I hope this doesn't go the way the RIFT Voidknight did when it was bugged which sounds like it fairly close to the same problem.

Exploiting is probably a harsh word but I am taking advantage of in game calss/skill mechanics that are overpowered. GreenDragonBlood, reflective scales, mist&vamp ultimate are skills that just work too well together but its not an exploit to use them.

Mist form = no healing received. Ultimate = healing.

Using ultimate with mist form is SUPPOSED to = no healing due to mist form, but theyre getting healed anyway. With a 75% damage reduction up.

Smells like bug. And taking advantage of a bug is exploiting.. erm, "clever use of game mechanics".

revanghost

If people are using the game mechanics as they exist, how is the player at fault?

Seems like the people who made the game set the skills to be used in the way they're being used. Situations like these should have been caught during testing.

codyyoungnub18_ESO

That is awesome, the Zerg mentality is the actual reason she maintained. Very cool, 4 skilled people drop her like nothing but a dumb zerg blindly rushing in makes her invincible.

I don't see an issue, 1) makes emporer pretty impressive 2) will force zerg to pay attention and change mentality or be crushed. 3) Brings more worth to small assault groups.

Play 2 Crush (zergs) Yes sir.

edit the other video is hilarious people screaming to get away and still a mob of idgits lol